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Speaker 1: fifteen point thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Jane Morrison joins us on Thursdays Bengals Talk dot Com,

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Speaker 2: also part of the Growler Podcast with Paul Danner Junior.

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Speaker 2: If you want to read something really sobering, go to

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Speaker 2: Bengals Talk dot com and read about what the Bengals

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Speaker 2: were in jeopardy of doing if they get beaten by

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Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions on Sunday, which pretty much everybody thinks

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Speaker 2: is going to happen. So let's Jay. It's nice to

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Speaker 2: have you as always. So in the aftermath of Monday night,

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Speaker 2: I guess the question is now what.

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Speaker 3: Get back on the horse, get back to work. And

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Speaker 3: I mean there's no other answer. This is a This

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Speaker 3: is not the kind of game you can put your

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Speaker 3: head down and pout and they've they've got to come out.

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Speaker 3: It's been interesting. I was really interested to see, you know,

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Speaker 3: yes day they had a night walk through and they

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Speaker 3: were free to go. After that they had had all

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Speaker 3: their meetings done and everything, and so by the time

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Speaker 3: Jake Browning was done with his press conference. We walked

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Speaker 3: in the locker room and it goes down. Nobody's in there.

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Speaker 3: They'd all gone home for the night. So today was

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Speaker 3: really the first day we got a chance to kind

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Speaker 3: of take the pulse of the locker room and talk

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Speaker 3: to some of the leaders, and it was it was

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Speaker 3: what you would want to see. And hear Jamar talking

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Speaker 3: about addressing the team after the loss and telling people

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Speaker 3: we want to see them get mad and angry and

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Speaker 3: not just take the loss. And Ted Carris was pretty

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Speaker 3: about as animated as I've seen him since since he's

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Speaker 3: been here. Whether that translates to Sunday, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but it does seem like they are in the right

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Speaker 3: state of mind to get this thing turn around.

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Speaker 2: Who are the leaders of the team on defense, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: A great question. I Mean, Logan Wilson is just he's

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Speaker 3: been here for a long time, he's respected. He's maybe

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Speaker 3: not playing like a the kind of what you would

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Speaker 3: expect from a leader. You know, he's getting a little

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Speaker 3: bit older, but that there is a major absence there

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Speaker 3: on that side of the ball. I mean, they voted

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson a captain, but he's just kind of in

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Speaker 3: his own little world and I don't know what he's

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Speaker 3: like in meetings and that type of thing, but he's

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Speaker 3: he's not the one that's working in the locker room.

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Speaker 3: He's rarely in the locker room when we're in there,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's more product of us than his teammates,

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Speaker 3: but it is. That's that's an area where they are lacking.

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Speaker 3: And that's another thing, just not not just defense, but

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Speaker 3: everybody focuses on what Joe Burrow can do as the

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Speaker 3: player and the loss of him in that regard, but

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Speaker 3: he's the one guy that was the vocal guy that

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Speaker 3: was getting in guys faces and really stepped into that role,

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Speaker 3: and losing him in that role as a leader, it's

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Speaker 3: almost as important as losing him on the field as

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Speaker 3: a player. So there's there's some voids there and they're

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Speaker 3: looking for guys to step up up and I'm not sure,

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Speaker 3: you know, we kind of talked about on the podcast today,

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Speaker 3: who do you want to build around on that defense.

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Speaker 3: There's not a lot of answers how.

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Speaker 2: Long is Jake Browning's leash, whether it be in terms

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Speaker 2: of finding a guy from elsewhere or just seeing if

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Speaker 2: Brett Rippon could do any better.

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Speaker 3: Well, if it's the latter, If your answer is gonna

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Speaker 3: be Brett RiPP and I think the lease is a

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Speaker 3: little bit longer. If it's going out and getting someone

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Speaker 3: somewhere else, I think it's it's shorter. I think it's

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Speaker 3: something they have to be open to, especially if Sunday

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Speaker 3: looks like the last two weeks. Now, if they come

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Speaker 3: out and they're getting a shoot out with the Lions

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Speaker 3: and they still lose, I think that changes things. But

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Speaker 3: if this offense is as dreadful as it's been the

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Speaker 3: last two weeks on Sunday, I think they really have

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Speaker 3: to start considering it because at some point, you wait

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Speaker 3: too long. If they don't beat Detroit. Does anybody think

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Speaker 3: they're going to go to Green Bay and wind Does

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Speaker 3: anybody have a lot of Confiencey're going to be Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're two and five. Is it

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Speaker 3: worth it at that point to give up assets and

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Speaker 3: try to go get a quarterback and get somebody in

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Speaker 3: here and get this thing turned around. If they're gonna

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Speaker 3: go out and get somebody else, it needs to happen soon,

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Speaker 3: and Sunday might be the determining factor.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the fear.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of us came out of that

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Speaker 2: Denver game not so much thinking about, all right, you know,

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Speaker 2: how do they survive these next few weeks? But but

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Speaker 2: how bad? How bad is this going to get? And

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Speaker 2: if it gets as bad as we all fear, what's

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Speaker 2: what's that going to mean for coach? What's what's that

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Speaker 2: going to mean for the staff? What's that going to

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Speaker 2: mean for the direction of this organization.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's there's gonna be some tough questions. Because we

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Speaker 3: talked about it even last year when they fired Lou

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Speaker 3: that you only get to do that once. Blow it up,

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Speaker 3: find escapegoat. If things go south this year, it could

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Speaker 3: be Zach on the chopping block. And I don't know

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Speaker 3: that he gets a pass with Burrow being heard because

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Speaker 3: they've he's already proven it once. He had a winning

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Speaker 3: record when Burrow got her two years ago. So if

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Speaker 3: this thing goes super south, I do think that he

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Speaker 3: would be in jeopardy of not coming back. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's going to happen in the mid season. It

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Speaker 3: makes no sense. There's nobody on this staff with head

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Speaker 3: coaching experience. You're not going to be better by by

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Speaker 3: promoting a rookie head coach. And even if it's like

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Speaker 3: if there's someone like dam Pittrey, he's never even a

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Speaker 3: play caller before. So I don't think anything's going to

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Speaker 3: happen in season. But if this thing does go the

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Speaker 3: way a lot of people see it going, then there

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Speaker 3: could be a change at the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: This is this is not the conversation I thought we'd

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Speaker 2: be having right now about a month ago. Uh, Jay,

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Speaker 2: awesome as always, Man, thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you moo.

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