1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: This is Duke of Duke Seafood letting you know that 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: this hour of Softian dick on your home for the 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Huskies and Kraken is probably brought to you by Duke Seafood. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Why not make it a Duke's night tonight. Reserve your 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: table today at Dukeseafood dot com. On Sports Radio ninety 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: three point three KJR. 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: FM, It's time for a weekly PAC twelve conversation with 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Sennose a Mercury News reporter John Wilner, brought to you 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: by Simply Seattle. 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You're you're breaking up already on us, John, 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: So we're kidding. 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 5: Network, Get on, Moss, I'm right now. 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: Oh, I gotcha. 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 6: The engine is off and hopefully the reception is going 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 6: to be okay, okay. 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: All right, Well, That's that sounds good, right there. John. 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 4: Let's let's start with the the madness that has been 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: ann arbor for the last three or three weeks or so, 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 4: and it ends with Kyle Whittingham going to a Michigan 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: I thought you your quote on Twitter in response was 28 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: very funny, Hugh. His quote was quote, this sport is 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: bleep face drunk. 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: And I'm here for all of it. That sounds response, 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 3: So go ahead. 32 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: I'm here to tell us why you're here for all 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 4: of it. 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 6: It was unlike any other sport in the lawlessness, the 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 6: lack of leadership, the insanity that happens, and it's it's 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 6: great content, and it seems to be getting even more 37 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 6: insane by the month. 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: Really. I mean, you think. 39 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 6: About Michigan and everything they did wrong and yet they 40 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 6: still end up with a Hall of Fame coach, and 41 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 6: you think about State and it took them almost two 42 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 6: months and they got turned down left and right, and 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 6: they end up with Matt Campbell, who's one of the 44 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 6: best coaches in the country. 45 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 5: Big ten did very well. 46 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 6: For itself during this the coaching carousel cycle here and Michigan, 47 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 6: it's like, you know, they stumble and bumble and then 48 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 6: all of a sudden. 49 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 5: They've got Kyle Whitningham. It's incredible. 50 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 7: Well, because you're on in Seattle, a lot of folks 51 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 7: had had a lot of speculation about whether Jedfish attempted 52 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 7: to get the job. There's reports of that. What do 53 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 7: you believe happened in that regard? Did Jedfish try to 54 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 7: be a candidate for that job? And if so, what 55 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 7: was Michigan's response? Tell us about all that? 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 6: I know exactly what Michigan did not see with Fish. 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 6: I mean, certainly he was a second tier candidate conversations. 58 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 5: I don't know how. 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 6: I can't confirm that he spoke directly to the Wolverine 60 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 6: administration in their search firm, or if his agency did, 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 6: But certainly there was interest on his part. Why would 62 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 6: there not be. It's Michigan, but for whatever reason, they 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 6: were not real high on him. Now, it would have 64 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 6: happened if Kyle Whittingham had turned them down, and maybe 65 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 6: Jeff Brown from Louisville had turned them down. I think 66 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 6: that eventually they probably would have gotten to the point 67 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 6: where they gave Fish serious consideration. But there were several 68 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 6: layers of candidates above him. 69 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: Why do you think Whittingham would have been or why 70 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: do you or do you not think Whittingham would have 71 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: been a candidate? If you would have retired after last season, 72 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 4: could you have seen them coming to Kyle Whittingham after 73 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 4: a year of I don't know, being in the media or. 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 7: What have you. 75 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't seem to be his The vibe would 76 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 6: have been as good to get winning him now he's 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 6: fresh off a ten win season, if he had remember 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four, they lost Cam Rising to that 79 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 6: hand injury. They finished second to last in the Big Twelve. 80 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 6: It was like Whittingham's worst year in a decade. And 81 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 6: if he had retired off of that and then he's 82 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 6: out of coaching for a year, whether he's in the 83 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 6: media or just kind of hovering on the side of 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 6: the industry, I just don't know that it would have 85 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 6: been an easy enough sell to Michigan fans, Whereas right 86 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 6: now he's an easy sell, right ten win coach going 87 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 6: to the Hall of Fame. 88 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 5: He's been stepped down two. 89 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 6: Weeks earlier and clearly wasn't ready to end his coaching career. 90 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 5: I mean, it couldn't have worked out better for. 91 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 6: Michigan and he's he's also the perfect coach for what 92 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 6: they need now, right, He's never had NCAA problems, he's 93 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 6: never had personal problems. His teams are tough, they are disciplined, 94 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 6: they're a lot like a you know, a Bochem Beckler team. 95 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 6: You could speak to this better than I could, but 96 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 6: you know, you think of a Sham Beckler team or 97 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 6: even a Jim Harbaugh team in Michigan, and it's kind 98 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 6: of like what you see with Utah. 99 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 7: No doubt my son was getting recruited somewhat by Utah. 100 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 7: And I was in on a meeting, several meetings actually 101 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 7: during spring, kind of in the back, just watching how 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 7: he operates and what have you. One thing I love 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 7: about it is their defensive mindset. Their DBS is like, hey, 104 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 7: let's get up in your face man and man like, 105 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 7: like he's going to be able to recruit some dbs. Now, yeah, 106 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 7: he recruited Lineman, you know, because of poly thing and 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 7: going on in Utah. But but just where he is 108 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 7: just philosophically, I think he really you know, he wants 109 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 7: to get after a defense that I think absolutely fits 110 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 7: the the brand of Michigan for all these decades. 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 6: No question, run the ball, play, physical, great defense. I mean, 112 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 6: it's it's it's a perfect fit in almost every way. 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 6: He is sixty six, right, but he's got a lot 114 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 6: of energy. And nobody's looking at this as him being 115 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 6: in charge of Michigan for eight or ten years. Like 116 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 6: Harball was right, they want somebody to get them back 117 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 6: on track both competitively and the culture within the building, 118 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 6: and he's perfect guy to do that for four or 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 6: five years. 120 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 4: I almost see a little bit like the Husky's hiring 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: Chris Peterson and the one knock on Chris Peterson coming in, 122 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: or the one question we had on Chris Peterson, which 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: I think played out somewhat was is he going to 124 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: be able to get the four and five star guys 125 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: at Michigan? 126 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: That was the question. 127 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 4: Is Chris Peterson going to be able to get the 128 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: four star guys at Washington? And he got some, but 129 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: Chris Peterson's recruiting classes weren't awesome. Chris's magic was him 130 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 4: making four and five star guys out of three star 131 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 4: guys that he was able to do. So is there 132 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 4: any question in Kyle Whittingham being able to get the 133 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 4: superstar athletes to Michigan, especially if he's playing this kind 134 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: of slobber knocker style football. 135 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 6: I don't think so he will be able to get 136 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 6: the guys he needs to get to win with his system. 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 6: I mean, it's Michigan and the big you know, selling 138 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 6: point now is the money. And Michigan's got plenty of money, 139 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 6: right They got they got Larry. 140 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 5: Ellison's money for nil, they got seven. 141 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 6: Home games times one hundred and ten thousand tickets sold 142 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 6: to help their revenue sharing, and all the Big ten 143 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 6: TV money. I think that with the resources at Michigan, 144 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 6: you know, he's gonna have a good staff, the Michigan tradition, 145 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 6: the Big Ten platform, I don't think he's gonna have 146 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 6: a problem getting the guys he needs to win. Does 147 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 6: that mean he's gonna he's gonna win the Big Ten 148 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 6: on a regular basis? 149 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. But does it mean he's gonna have 150 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 5: Michigan in the. 151 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 6: Twelve or sixteen team college football playoff pretty regularly? 152 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 5: Yeah? 153 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 6: I would bet bet he does. And the biggest thing 154 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 6: for that Michigan is he's going to extend the scandals. 155 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just one dumpster fire after another for 156 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 6: them for four years. 157 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 7: John Wilner with us. John, we heard from Lincoln Riley 158 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 7: a couple of days ago regarding the Notre Dame. You know, 159 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 7: of whatever this fiasco has become, and it feels like 160 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 7: we're listening to a sordid breakup. Right, what was your 161 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 7: response when you heard Lincoln Riley and the nature of 162 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 7: his allegations directed towards Notre Dame And what do you 163 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 7: think Notre Dame's best reply would be to Lincoln Riley 164 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 7: in those comments? 165 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 6: I mean, Notre Dame kind of got to jump on 166 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 6: the Trojans by announcing the series. 167 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 5: With BYU before USC and Notre Dame had announced that 168 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 5: their series was on hiatus. 169 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 6: You know, both both sides are out acting in their 170 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 6: own self interest and blaming the other side. 171 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 5: And that's that is what college sports is all about. 172 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 6: Whether it's you know, the conference is battling over the 173 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 6: CFP or USC and Notre Dame disagreeing over their series. 174 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 6: Everybody is protecting their territory. And this is a downstream 175 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 6: issue from USC leaving the Pack twelve. Right, if they 176 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 6: won the Pac twelve, there would not be a problem 177 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 6: playing Notre Dame. And also the College Football Playoff, the 178 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 6: CFP is dominating every decision that every conference and every 179 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 6: school are making. 180 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 8: Right. 181 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 6: That is, USC saw what happened with Notre Dame. They 182 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 6: saw the report that Notre Dame has this special deal. 183 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 6: They don't want to give Notre Dame any any more benefits. 184 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 5: Of the doubt. 185 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 6: It's all the CFP is gobbling up the sport. Now, 186 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 6: some people might think that's good. I don't necessarily think 187 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 6: it is good, but that is what's happening. I mean, look, 188 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 6: we're going to see that on Thursday, the Rose Bowl 189 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 6: is starting at one o'clock instead of two. It's been 190 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 6: at two o'clock for decades, right, but it's starting at 191 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 6: one because of the CFP, because they want to get 192 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 6: a triple header in and not knock the Sugar Bowls 193 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 6: kickoff too late. So the Rose Bolt finally read we're 194 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 6: going to move up an hour. That USC Notre Dame. 195 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 6: One example after another of the playoff gobbling up the sport. 196 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: Now you think that potentially this rivalry could be saved 197 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 4: in week zero? 198 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 5: Right? 199 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: Tell us how dout that? 200 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 5: Well? 201 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 6: So the thing is USC doesn't want to play Notre 202 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 6: Dame in the middle of the season. I don't blame him, 203 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 6: They don't want to go to South Bend in October, 204 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 6: in the middle of the Big Ten season. They want 205 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 6: to play the first three weeks when all the non 206 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 6: conference games are played. The big issue right now is 207 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 6: Notre Dame. 208 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 5: Is already scheduled out. 209 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 6: I mean, if you look, they got Texas, I think 210 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 6: they got Alabama, they got Auburn, they got all these 211 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 6: big time home and home series scheduled for like the 212 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 6: next four or five years. 213 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 5: In the first couple of weeks of the season. 214 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 6: They don't want to add USC and end up being 215 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 6: in a position where they're starting out you know, one 216 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 6: and two or zero to three. But because they're scheduled out, 217 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 6: they they're not going to put the Trojans in week. 218 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 5: Zero week one. 219 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 6: I think if we're going to get to that point 220 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 6: where the teams play in a traditional non conference spot, 221 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 6: it's not gonna happen until the twenty thirties when Notre 222 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 6: Dame has some openings on its schedule. If we're up 223 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 6: to me, if I'm the Tzara College Football USC, Notre 224 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 6: Dame is the kickoff game for the whole season, played 225 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 6: on Week zero, and the championship game is in the 226 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 6: Rose Bawl in January first. 227 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, they would say to be thirteen what thirteen weeks 228 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 4: right in between that one bywok, yeah, one by week 229 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: that would work again. 230 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 7: Yep, yeah, no doubt. Now you said that. Everybody's responding 231 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 7: to the CFP. We saw this year, uh, the changes 232 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 7: in the seed right, and there was a second group 233 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 7: of five team added. Do you see any changes for 234 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 7: next year and beyond? Based on how the committee is 235 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 7: watching the developments for the playoffs for this year, I do. 236 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 6: Some of the changes have already been agreed upon. So 237 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 6: one thing that's going to be different starting next year 238 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 6: is there won't. 239 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 5: Be two group of five teams. 240 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 6: Even if the ACC champion is zero and one and eleven, 241 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 6: there's not going to be two group of five teams 242 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 6: because they have written into the new contract. And this 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 6: is confusing but important. Starting with next season, the CFP 244 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 6: has a new contract, so there are different rules, and 245 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 6: one of those rules is the champions of the ACC 246 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 6: Big twelve, Big ten and sec are automatically going to 247 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 6: get in. That leaves one spot for the group of five. 248 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 6: We won't see what happened this year year happen again. 249 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 6: But that's not the only change I'm sure at this point, 250 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 6: I think they're going to probably increase it to sixteen teams. 251 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 6: They have until January twenty third to decide if they're 252 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 6: going to expand the format for next year. They have 253 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 6: to tell ESPN by the twenty third of January. I 254 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 6: think they're going to do it, but we know for 255 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 6: sure there's going to be a change in the group 256 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 6: of five access and I think there'll be a change 257 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 6: in the number of teams. I think they're going to 258 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 6: expand to sixteen. Now, if they do expand a sixteen, 259 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 6: one question is going to be will the opening round 260 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 6: just be sixteen one verse sixteen two, verse fifteen, or 261 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 6: are they going to create some kind of stupid double buy. 262 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 6: I would not put it past the CFP to create 263 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 6: a stupid double buy system, even though they should just 264 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 6: do a straight one verse sixteen. 265 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 5: But we'll have to see. 266 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 7: John, You and I have been of a like mind 267 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 7: in that the power four teams that they have to 268 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 7: have involvement from the Group of five. Of course they're 269 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 7: gonna ask land right in Anti trust court. We already 270 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 7: know that they get poor legal advice because they were 271 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 7: advised to keep appealing Allston even though they were losing, 272 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 7: they go all the way to Supreme Court. They lose 273 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 7: nine to nothing in that one, and that's led to 274 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 7: the nil and the transfer port on all the mess 275 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 7: that we see. Are we certain that by pushing out 276 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 7: one team from the group of five that there could 277 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 7: be some anti trust exposure in a collective case from 278 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 7: the group of five by cutting. 279 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 5: The air, I don't think so. 280 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 6: I think as long as there is one access spot 281 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 6: for the Group of five, they will avoid. 282 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 5: Some kind of anti trust case. 283 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 6: I mean, this is the piece that people all the 284 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 6: complaining that's going on about the Group of five. The 285 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 6: last couple of weeks, very few people were talking about 286 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 6: the fact that there's the legal exposure. 287 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 5: Of course they have to you. 288 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 6: Can't have half the teams in the FBS saying the 289 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 6: other half are banned from the postseason. Think about the BCS. 290 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 8: The Senate, an I trust subcommittee was having hearings on 291 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 8: the BCS. If they try to keep the Group of 292 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 8: five out of the CFP, they're gonna be in court 293 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 8: in you know, three seconds, So there will always be 294 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 8: one spot. I don't think the Group of five will 295 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 8: will raise an issue with the change that's coming next season, 296 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 8: where that limits the group of five to one. As 297 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 8: long as they have that, I think everything will be fine. 298 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna keep seeing those blowouts in games that 299 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: people don't want to watch. I mean, the ratings for 300 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: James Madison Oregon were barely higher than the ratings for 301 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: Washington Oregon in a regular season matchup that didn't mean anything. 302 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: So you know, I know you compared the group of 303 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 4: five results that we saw to last year's NFL first round. 304 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: I kind of think John, that's a one year in 305 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 4: anomaly for the NFL because the first matchups this year, 306 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 4: we could see four or five of the six lower 307 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: seeds win in the NFL this year, and then you know, 308 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: go back to twenty twenty two five point differential, including 309 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 4: a one point game and a three point game. The 310 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three playoffs had a one point wildcard game. 311 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: I don't know if you can really use the NFL 312 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 4: wild card game as a comparison, can you. 313 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 6: Well maybe that was a one year an nominally, but 314 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 6: look at what the CFPS last year first round game, 315 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 6: Ohio State forty two, Tennessee seventeen. Look at the quarterfinal, 316 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 6: Ohio State led Oregon thirty four to nothing right, right, 317 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 6: So my point is whether whether that you know, the 318 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 6: ACC screwed up. That's the reason James Madison was in 319 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 6: the ACC tiebreaker was completely screwed up. Miami should have 320 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 6: been in it as the ACC representative, which would have 321 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 6: opened the spot for Notre Dame and there would have 322 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 6: been one group of five. But there's always going to 323 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 6: be a couple of lopsided games. I think in the 324 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 6: first rounds. I just do and and the as as 325 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 6: long as the CFP is going up against the NFL 326 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 6: on that Saturday in December, there's good. The ratings are 327 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 6: going to be bad. The NFL is taking no prisoners. 328 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 6: I mean, you guys saw the matchups they put up 329 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 6: against the CFP two saturdays ago. Uh, there were big 330 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 6: time matchups, right. They are going to continue to do that, 331 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 6: basically staying too the CFP get off our lawn. 332 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 5: We were here first, and. 333 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 6: They were the NFL had that third Saturday in December first, 334 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 6: and then the CFP moved in and they're they're not 335 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 6: gonna mess with Goodell's not messing around. 336 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 7: There, John Wilner with us. John, you're like that that 337 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 7: buddy that we all want to have, that just you 338 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 7: know so dog on much about college football. I just 339 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 7: want to go out and have a stake and a 340 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 7: bottle of wine and just kill I just talked college 341 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 7: football like for four hours with you, but I love it. 342 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 7: I don't want to lead you someplace that that uh, 343 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 7: that maybe you have a stronger opinion, But I'm gonna 344 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 7: just give you the floor here on my last question, 345 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 7: what's on your mind that we haven't discussed, Whether you're 346 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 7: going to write about it in a column or what 347 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 7: have you? The playoffs coming up? What's on John Wilner's mind? 348 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 6: Oh goodness, gracious. I mean to be honest, I think 349 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 6: that the NFL situation is a bigger threat than folks realize. Right, 350 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 6: And as I'm sure you guys know, the NFL is 351 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 6: talking about opening up their media deal, right, I mean, 352 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 6: it's only been three years. They want to open up 353 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 6: the media deal. They want to add Goodell wants to 354 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 6: add the eighteenth game. Right now, my understanding is they 355 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 6: want to add the eighteenth game. They want to move 356 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 6: the Super Bowl back to President's Day weekend? Right, Well, 357 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 6: what's going to happen there? That probably means that they're 358 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 6: going to have yet another regular season weekend in January 359 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 6: when the CFP is trying to get oxygen and attention, 360 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 6: and I think college football is in a is, you know, 361 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 6: headed into the ABYSS if it continues to go up 362 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 6: against put its postseason up against the NFL. They got 363 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 6: to figure out a way to fix the calendar and 364 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 6: move it, move everything forward, and next year the championship 365 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 6: game is like December January twenty fifth. It's ridiculously late. 366 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 6: They got to get it back to where they're playing 367 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 6: close to January first and getting the season over with 368 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 6: before the final weeks of the NFL and the NFL playoffs. 369 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 6: And and to me, that's a that's a real big 370 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 6: The calendar is a huge issue. 371 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 5: The NFL is. 372 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 6: Out for blood in this matchup, and that's a losing 373 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 6: battle for college football. 374 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 7: August August games are coming. Yeah, I think August games 375 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 7: are coming. 376 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 5: There's no reason they should not play. 377 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 6: There's no reason they should not start everybody on week zero, 378 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 6: and that would give them a lot more flexibility. 379 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 4: John, you had a seven game win streak come to 380 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 4: an end with Hawaiian winners. 381 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: Hell of a game on Christmas Eve. That was a 382 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: great game. 383 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, Hawaii got to win late over cal 384 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: but you are still a sizzling twelve and five on 385 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 4: the season. In Wilner's winner. So here's what we want. 386 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 4: Give it, Savior, Wilner's winner, pick for last. Give us 387 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 4: the winners of the other three college football playoff games. 388 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 4: We got Miami, Ohio State, we got Oregon, Texas Tech, 389 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 4: we got Alabama, Indiana, and we got. 390 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: Ole miss Georgia. 391 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: So Savior Willner's winner, pick for last, and give us 392 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 4: the winner of the other three games. 393 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 5: Well, just outright winners. 394 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 6: I think that Georgia will handle Mississippi Georgia is they 395 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 6: are a juggernaut right now. I think Indiana Alabama's gonna 396 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 6: be a great game, a great game, and I think 397 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 6: that there's potential for Ohio State and Miami to be 398 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 6: a great game too. I'm of the opinion that the 399 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 6: teams that have buys are at a competitive disadvantage. Three 400 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 6: and a half weeks off is a long time, and 401 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 6: the teams that just played ten days ago are in 402 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 6: much better shape. 403 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 5: So which leads us to I would like Willner's winner. 404 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 5: I'll take the Ducks. I think that they are favored 405 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 5: by one and a half. Was the last time I look. 406 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: Here, but we can give you one and a half. 407 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 5: I mean, I'll take two and a half. 408 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 6: Hey, you know what I take the Ducks if it 409 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 6: were three and a half. I think they're gonna beat 410 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 6: Texas Tech handily. And I would also not be surprised 411 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 6: to see Oregon end up in the championship game. 412 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, sounds good. I think you're right. 413 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: I think they beat Texas Tech should be a kind 414 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 4: of a low scoring game. I would think, though, because 415 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 4: I think both those plays are very, very good. John, 416 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: we appreciate it. I want to ask you before we 417 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 4: let you guys who want to ask. 418 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: You one favor? All right, one favor? 419 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 5: Hit me. 420 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 4: Illinois is beating Tennessee right now in the Music City. Boy, 421 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: if if Illinois wins, they finish nine and four, can 422 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: we at least then say, in all of our pregame 423 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: or our preseason, you know college football breakdowns that you do, 424 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 4: can you at least not use the words the Huskies 425 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: didn't beat anyone good in twenty twenty five, because a 426 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 4: nine and four Big Ten team that wins a bowl 427 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: game over an SEC team, in my opinion, is a 428 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: good football team, and the Huskies kicked the crap out 429 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 4: of Illinois. 430 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 5: They did. 431 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 6: That was their best win of the season, and I 432 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 6: would think that Illinois will have a good chance to 433 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 6: enter the last AP poll with that win over Tennessee, 434 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 6: which would give Washington one win over a ranked opponent. 435 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 6: And you'd have to, I mean, any explanation in Washington 436 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 6: season would have to include they did that. They had 437 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 6: to win over a ranked opponent. There's no doubt about that. 438 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 7: Love it. 439 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: Thanks John, Happy New Year. We'll talk to you next week, Sandy. Guys, 440 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: you bet John Weller five. 441 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: Twenty five Back after this, we'll talk some more college 442 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: football and the NFL as well. I'll get back to 443 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 4: our Sam Darnold conversation with Hugh on ninety three point 444 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: three KJRFM. Speaking of football, I'm watching this just after 445 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: I asked Wilner for his favor Hugh of at least 446 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 4: giving the Huskies a quality win if Illinois hangs onto 447 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 4: this game. Not thirty seconds after I said that, Illinois 448 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 4: kicked the field goal to go ahead twenty seven to 449 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 4: twenty one with four minutes left to go in the game, 450 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 4: and Tennessee promptly returned the kickoff ninety four yards for 451 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: a touchdown. So now Tennessee is ahead by one point 452 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 4: in with Illinois's ball trying to get the winning at 453 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 4: field goal on this drive. But let's dive into a 454 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: couple of things that John talked about there. And first 455 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: of all, I want to get your take on the 456 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: group of five. I understand your point that logistically it's 457 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 4: going to be impossible. The lawsuits would be crazy if 458 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 4: the group of five is eliminated from the college football playoff. 459 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 4: Now do you also believe that it's good that a 460 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 4: group of five team is in the playoffs or do 461 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 4: you feel like it's just a necessary evil that the 462 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: group of five is in the playoffs. 463 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 7: I'm not terribly against one. I mean competitive, Like, to me, 464 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 7: I would rather see the best, but if you wanted to, 465 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 7: you know, kind of like the NCAA tournament. You know, 466 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 7: you know there's there's conferences that that get the basketball 467 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 7: tournament I'm talking about, there's conferences that get the sixteenth seed, right, 468 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 7: and you know there's next to no chance they're going 469 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 7: to do anything, but they're allowed to be part of 470 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 7: the dance. So I'm just kind of more pragmatic in 471 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 7: my approach as a fan that if if I truly 472 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 7: say that I hate these games like these, like what 473 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 7: are they doing? 474 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 6: Like? 475 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 7: Then I should be most concerned about intervention and having 476 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 7: a lot more games mandated by the courts. Right if 477 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 7: they if the power foward schools end up losing in 478 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 7: a in a lawsuit, and I don't trust them and 479 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 7: their decision making these legal issues because of the decisions 480 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 7: they've already made and the mistakes that they've made. 481 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 4: I just think that they're where while we used to 482 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 4: have a sliding scale, I used to think that college 483 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 4: football talent was a sliding scale from the top Power 484 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 4: five teams down slowly to the bottom Power five teams 485 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 4: to the top group of five teams, which some of 486 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 4: those top group of five teams are actually better than 487 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 4: the bottom Power five teams. Now I feel like it's 488 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 4: a chasm, and the chasm is growing. The chasm between 489 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: the big the Big ten SEC and the next two 490 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 4: power conferences is growing, And the chasm between the next 491 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: two power conferences and the Group of five is growing, 492 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 4: and I feel like it's just going to continue to grow. 493 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 4: So I just think these scores are going to be 494 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: worse and worse and worse. And to me, you know, 495 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 4: I totally understand your comparing. Listen to the NCAA basketball tournament. 496 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 4: To me, it's almost like becoming like Major League Baseball 497 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 4: saying we're gonna give the best minor league team a 498 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 4: slot in our playoffs. 499 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: I think it's the chasm is becoming that big. 500 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 7: That's interesting. I don't know. I mean, you take the 501 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 7: best two. Uh you know what if they played you know, 502 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 7: Purdue or or even u c l A. U c 503 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 7: l A is the worst power for a team I saw, 504 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 7: at least for one day. I know they beat Penn 505 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 7: State and started Penn State's unraveling. But uh uh, that's 506 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 7: a good question. I to me, I just figure that 507 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 7: you've got to just set aside a spot or two. 508 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 7: Wilner's convinced that one is enough. Maybe maybe he's right, 509 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 7: But but the degree to which you are concerned about 510 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 7: an unwanted consequences that is the uh, the product of 511 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 7: two factors, the the magnitude times of probability. And you 512 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 7: could say, well, we're probably okay by just having one team, 513 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 7: but if you're not the magnitude, you go and lose 514 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 7: an anti Truscourt where they have treble damages, which is 515 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 7: just another word for saying triple and all of a 516 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 7: mandated re mandated restructure of the college football Playoff, including 517 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 7: many more teams from the group of five. Like, to me, 518 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 7: it's like, don't don't mess around with that, don't f 519 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 7: around and find out, don't. 520 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 3: Poke the bear? 521 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 5: Are you? 522 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 4: Are you okay if they expand it to sixteen because 523 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 4: John seems to think that that's the way that we're going, 524 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 4: or do you like it at twelve? Does do are 525 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 4: we getting to the watering downpoint if we get to sixteen? 526 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 7: Well, if it's sixteen, then to me, it's really fourteen 527 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 7: if you have a couple because I'm assuming there'd be 528 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 7: two teams from the group of five, so that's fourteen. 529 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 7: So this year I think of it as a ten 530 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 7: team tournament because there was ten Power four. Who are 531 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 7: the teams? Who would be the three teams that would 532 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 7: have got in had there been three more teams? Uh? 533 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 7: And four more teams Notre Dame b Yu likely uh. 534 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 7: Probably Texas would have been one of one of four 535 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 7: extra teams. Right off the top of my head, I 536 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 7: know there's a fourth, but so teams Vanderbilt. 537 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 4: So you just made the point there for sixteen teams 538 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 4: capable of winning a national championship. 539 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, but I also think, look, the answer to 540 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 7: all your questions is gonna be money. Yeah, And so 541 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 7: they're going to be driven by money. That's why we're 542 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 7: going to see August football games. For the reasons are 543 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 7: articulated by John Wilner. Hey, we don't we don't want 544 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 7: to lose money to the NFL because the NFL is 545 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 7: trying to get their money. So how do we fit 546 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 7: it in the calendar. Well, we're going to play more 547 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 7: games in December and a few games in August, right right, 548 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 7: Like that's that, that and and so everything you know. 549 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 7: So I look at it and I say, we can 550 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 7: all agree on this, regardless of where you stand. Maybe 551 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 7: you're of the mind that eight would have been enough. 552 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 7: Maybe there's a few people. I don't think there's many, 553 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 7: but some people might like the four team playoff. Maybe 554 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 7: there's a lot of people who want to sixteen. There's 555 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 7: some people who want to thirty two. We can agree 556 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 7: on this. It's a linear scale. The more you tilt 557 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 7: the more teams you have in the postseason for the 558 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 7: college football Playoff, the more you diminish the regular season 559 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 7: for the best teams. Correct, correct, You don't diminish the 560 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 7: regular season for the team's fighting that you bring in 561 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 7: more teams that are saying, hey, we got a chance, 562 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 7: we got to I get that, but the very top teams, 563 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 7: EH one, Ohio. 564 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 4: State, the Ohio State Michigan game could be meaningless, you 565 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 4: know when when usually it's not meaningless. 566 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 7: Right, So there was a time when there was just 567 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 7: four teams or you'd say Michigan Ohio State winners going in. 568 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, well the loser is out and that's all right, 569 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 3: and then you wouldn't have that anymore, all right. Coming 570 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: up next, our second Fun with Audio. 571 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 4: This is the NFL edition courtesy of Jackson Felts on 572 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 4: ninety three point three KJFM. 573 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 2: It's now time for someday in Dick's Fun with Audio, 574 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: Jimmy g. 575 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 3: Pawn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo. 576 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 7: Now let's have some fun with audio. 577 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 4: Some people that are listening to the entire show might 578 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: be saying, wait a second, Jackson, wait a second, Fane, 579 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 4: you already did fun with audio. Yes we did, Yes, 580 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 4: we did. But see, Jackson had this idea, and I 581 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 4: think it was quite a good one. Because this is 582 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 4: our last Show of twenty twenty five. We had a 583 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: ton of good audio clips, so he decided to break 584 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 4: them up into College Fun with Audio at three forty 585 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 4: five and NFL Fun with Audio at five forty five. 586 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: So, Hugh, did you hear this? 587 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 9: What's that? 588 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: Victor? 589 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 4: In ESPN's Monday Night Countdown yesterday, Troy Aikman had this 590 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 4: to say about the resurgence success of once failed quarterbacks 591 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 4: Ike Sam Darnold. 592 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 9: North Turner came in my third year in the league, 593 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 9: totally turned our offense around, turned my career around. Michael 594 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 9: Irvin and Emmitt Smith would tell you the same thing. 595 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 9: So I think there's been and there's always this has 596 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 9: always been debated. I guess I think there's been a 597 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 9: lot of quarterbacks that have been drafted high who have 598 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 9: left the game and have been labeled a bus And 599 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 9: I think it's unfair because I do feel that organizations 600 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 9: and coaching has failed quarterbacks more than quarterbacks have failed organizations, 601 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 9: Because I you know, I again, I've been there. I've 602 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 9: been around the best of the best, and I've been 603 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 9: around others that that aren't as good. 604 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 4: I think Hughes Hugh, I think Troy is spot on 605 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 4: there I think. I always think about how many quarterbacks 606 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 4: are out there that just had middling NFL careers that 607 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 4: would have been multiple time Pro Bowlers had they just 608 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: gone someplace else. 609 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of them. 610 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 7: I completely agree. And I had been at the Rams 611 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 7: with North Turner and then he was pivotal in UH 612 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 7: and you know, with the Cowboys trade for me on 613 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 7: Draft Day, so I went. I knew Norv played for 614 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 7: NorVa two teams, and Troy had been uh a pastor. 615 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 7: Look at Troy's passer rating his first two years. One 616 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 7: year was in his fifties, and the and the and 617 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 7: in the sixties, and people were saying he's the bust. 618 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:28,239 Speaker 7: And I remember seeing Norv and before after those two 619 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 7: years before he went to. 620 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 4: To Dallas at fifty five and sixty six, his first 621 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 4: two years pastor yeah. 622 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I uh And at this point he had 623 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 7: had many camps but not any games with Troy, and 624 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 7: I don't I think it was in the summer. I 625 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 7: can't remember exactly what, but I remember talking to him 626 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 7: and and saying, so, what do you think of Troy Aikman, 627 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 7: Because a lot of people say, this dude's a bus 628 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 7: right and Nord looked at me like I had four 629 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 7: eyeballs and he and he just said, the guy's incredible, 630 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 7: Like he's he's got incredible balance, he's got incredible actress. 631 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 7: You know, he's got everything you want. And and yet 632 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 7: that's not what people had thought. Yeah, and so you wonder, 633 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 7: you know, the Sam Donald's and all the rest. It's 634 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 7: a relevant question for sure. 635 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: Of course, if Sam Donald was drafted by Andy Reid, 636 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 4: he'd probably still be the quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs. 637 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 7: Well, we had we had Dick Cory. We we were 638 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 7: running the exact same offense as Norf. That was one 639 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 7: of the reasons that Cowboy was traded for me, because 640 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 7: so three seven zero shu pump like like five five posts. 641 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 7: I knew then, and I had seen how it was 642 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 7: installed by Dick Corey, and I had seen how it 643 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 7: was installed by North Turner and every so I was 644 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 7: able to compare what you just put that sound up 645 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 7: that I didn't know you were gonna put up. I've 646 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 7: lived it, and and so, uh, I totally agree with. 647 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: Troy, Hey, huge, hear this? What's that giant star wide receiver? 648 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 4: Elik neighbors remember him a high draft pick in the 649 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 4: fantasy football season this year. 650 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 3: I know I drafted him in the second round. That 651 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: was awesome. 652 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 4: He suffered a torn acl in late September and missed 653 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 4: most of the season. But now Neighbors is poking fun 654 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 4: of himself in a new commercial for I Hop's Bottomless Pancakes. 655 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 10: Every year, thousands of fantasy football leagues make their last 656 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 10: place team spend twenty four hours ah in pancakes and aha, 657 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 10: what's the hell? 658 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 9: Just like you helped everyone's fantasy team this season. 659 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 10: Which is why I hop is launching Bottomless Pancakes. It's 660 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 10: a big win for last place fantasy finishers and anyone 661 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 10: who loves pancakes. 662 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 3: You believe Neighbors, it is me. I wish him like 663 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 3: first off pick on. 664 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 7: You can we get this kid. 665 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 10: Some pancakes get free. Bottomless Pancakes with select breakfast combos 666 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 10: start in January. 667 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 4: Fifth tip of the cap to any star athlete that 668 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 4: can make fun of himself like that, especially in a commercial. 669 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 3: Because I killed him, he killed so many fantasy teams. 670 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 3: My goodness, I'm so sory. 671 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 7: I didn't even know you. 672 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 4: D oh yeah, drafting to say Dixon and in my draft, 673 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 4: so I'm in two. I'm in one by myself and 674 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,959 Speaker 4: I'm in one with Dixon and Dixon. I drafted Elak 675 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 4: neighbors Dixon some pancakes. 676 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we fought through. He actually made the playoffs, but 677 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 3: we lost in the first round of the playoffs. We 678 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 3: could have been much much better with that. 679 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 7: Might be a shot at the Giant Brass too, Like yeah, 680 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 7: hell yeah, I'll do that, you know, think about it, right, 681 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 7: could be? 682 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 3: Could be, Hey, you dear that? What's that? 683 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 7: Dick? 684 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 4: Yesterday on his FS one show, Colin Coward reacted to 685 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 4: a recent report that the Ravens are growing tired of 686 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson and could trade their quarterback. 687 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 11: Big big story today breaking in Baltimore. Mike Preston, a 688 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 11: respected long term beat reporter that covers the Ravens, breaks 689 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 11: the story today that Lamar's fallen asleep in meetings that 690 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 11: you know, he's playing video games late into the night. 691 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 11: When he does show up to mandatory camp, he shows 692 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 11: up for a day next year. His cap hit is 693 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 11: twenty four percent a Baltimore's cap. There's about six quarterbacks 694 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 11: in the league. I would not even pick up the phone, no. 695 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,479 Speaker 3: Matter the offer. 696 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 11: Then there's another six to eight guys that I'm not 697 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 11: going to get on the phone and call people, but 698 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 11: I would take a call if you offered me three 699 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,479 Speaker 11: firsts Lamar to me was always in the first group. 700 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 3: Now he's transitioned. 701 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 11: If this is true and I trust Mike Preston, he'th 702 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 11: in the second one, I'll take phone calls. 703 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: My question on. 704 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 4: Lamar is Lamar, what are you going forward? Are you 705 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray going forward and just going to continue to 706 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 4: play video games? Now, you're a way better quarterback than 707 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray. You're more accomplished than Kyler Murray. But that 708 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 4: type of work ethic as you get older and less 709 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 4: able to rely on your athleticism, or are you going 710 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 4: to be Luka Doncic and Luka Doncis was thirty pounds 711 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 4: overweight with the Dallas Mavericks and he got to Los 712 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 4: Angeles and for whatever reason, some say it was Lebron 713 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 4: kicking him in the ass saying I'll work out. 714 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 3: With you, let's go. 715 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 4: Others say it was just he was just happy to 716 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 4: be out of Dallas and he wanted to make sure 717 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 4: that he goes down in history as one of the 718 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 4: greatest players of all time. Which I firmly believe he 719 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 4: will be one of the greatest players of all time, 720 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 4: maybe even a top five guy all time. 721 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 3: He's certainly on that trajectory. Which are you, Lamar, I 722 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 3: have no idea. 723 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 4: Are you the guy that's going to hear all this 724 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 4: criticism and flip the switch like Luca did, or are 725 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 4: you just gonna say, yeah, you know what, I'm making 726 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 4: fifty five million dollars a year and I don't care 727 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 4: if I have won a Super Bowl. 728 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 7: Well, it's a hell of a question because he's a 729 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 7: two time MVP. Last season twenty twenty four season, he 730 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 7: came within an eyelash, I think within one point of 731 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 7: breaking the all time passer rating record held by Aaron Rodgers. 732 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 7: He also rushed for nine hundred yards. Like that guy 733 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 7: is a year removed from likely an MVP. You know, 734 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 7: some people think he deserves to have had it. I 735 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 7: think Josh Allen also deserves to have had it. Flip 736 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 7: a coin, either one of them would have been a 737 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 7: worthy pick. His playoff performance is such that the running 738 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 7: nobility and whatever percentage of that running ability is his 739 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 7: game in the regular season. As a general rule, we've 740 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 7: seen this across the board. The running opportunities dry up 741 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 7: in the postseason, that's right, or at least they're vastly 742 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 7: diminished because you've got you're playing against the very best 743 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 7: defenders and generally tend to be faster, better, better coast, 744 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 7: what have you. And they're playing with utmost efforts, so 745 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 7: they don't you can't you can't beat them for a 746 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 7: nine yard scramble because somebody was loafing. Everybody is like 747 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 7: full go, right, because it's the playoffs, and so that 748 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 7: is in part one of the reasons why he has 749 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 7: not been successful in the playoffs. So now when you 750 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 7: throw this in, look, he had a lot of injuries, 751 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 7: and so maybe he was just like, well, this is 752 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 7: a lost year. Is this truly his character? Was he 753 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 7: that way before last year? Was he that way before 754 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 7: when he won the other MVP? I don't know. Are 755 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 7: these are real serious questions about a very elite quarterback 756 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 7: who might end up in camp. Oh he's still a 757 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 7: young guy, right, Was he thirty thirty one? I want 758 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 7: to say thirty off to look it up.