WEBVTT - Eddie & Rocky w/ Andrew Abbott and Emilio Pagan -- 1/15/26

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<v Speaker 1>Well, rock guess in the studio res Royalty, how about this?

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously a big week at Red's Vest. It's back

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<v Speaker 1>after being off for a couple of years renovating the

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<v Speaker 1>Convention Center, but it's back with abandoned and we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of great players in the studio with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia Bagan, a great reliever, great closer, just signed a

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<v Speaker 1>new two year deal to be back with the club

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<v Speaker 1>this year and back for his third straight year on

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<v Speaker 1>The Eddie and Rocky Show. Andrew Abbott, a great pitcher,

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<v Speaker 1>went ten and seven to eighty seven ERA one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty nine. K's fellas, welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you having us.

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<v Speaker 3>Amelio, the gingers are overrunning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's here, son, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>This is.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know I need to dine my here before

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<v Speaker 2>I came in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's talk Amelia first, you were talking you lived

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<v Speaker 3>down in Charlotte during the off season, Yes, originally from

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<v Speaker 3>South Carolina, South Carolina. And let me ask both of

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<v Speaker 3>you guys and Emelio you're first, you're getting charged up.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you were about three and a half weeks

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<v Speaker 3>out now from reporting and yeah, that's got it. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you get charged up now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you're ready to go. Oh yeah, no, the juice

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<v Speaker 2>has been flowing. You get past New Year's and it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feels like, all right, I need to be

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<v Speaker 2>at spring training now. And so my family's gonna come

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<v Speaker 2>out with me this year at spring training. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>getting excited, and uh yeah, I need to hit like

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<v Speaker 2>the fast forward button and go ahead and get to work.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to see everybody and get this thing going.

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<v Speaker 4>Drew, Yeah, absolutely, I mean this is the last kind

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<v Speaker 4>of big culmination redsfest. Once you kind of checked this off,

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<v Speaker 4>then you're turning the page and next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you're at spring training.

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<v Speaker 1>So Andrew, I asked you this. I mean, both you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are pitchers, So give me like the off season. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the season ends, you know what October? Like, how

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<v Speaker 1>much time do you take off? When do you start

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<v Speaker 1>getting back into working out and throwing and training and

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<v Speaker 1>all that.

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<v Speaker 4>I took about two weeks off of running, conditioning, lifting,

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<v Speaker 4>all that kind of stuff, and then I restarted. I

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<v Speaker 4>was lightly throwing the whole time. I never really like stopped. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, as you get further into the off season,

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<v Speaker 4>it starts to build back up, and then now we're

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<v Speaker 4>on the mound. We're getting ready for spring training, as

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<v Speaker 4>we're saying, So it just comes in waves kind of,

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<v Speaker 4>and the holidays are a good start. They tell you,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, let's start check that box. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 4>move in next, same thing for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, we we get eliminated, get home.

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<v Speaker 2>I generally take two or three weeks off, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>what my body's telling me I need, And then around

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<v Speaker 2>November first, I start doing some weight room stuff, some

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<v Speaker 2>mobility stuff, and then start throwing the plyocare balls and

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<v Speaker 2>then uh, you know, transition to a baseball and then

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<v Speaker 2>getting off the mound. So normally it starts about November first,

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<v Speaker 2>getting off the mound starts around December first, and then

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<v Speaker 2>like really ramping up the bullpen starts around after New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's and so, like Abbat said, it's a transition, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting to the point now where I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>tired of throwing by myself into a net and I

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<v Speaker 2>need to get out Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain to the listeners what Hepplyo care ball is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's like a weighted or or under weighted

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<v Speaker 2>rubber ball that you can use to For me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a great shoulder program that that cleans up

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<v Speaker 2>your delivery kind of without you thinking about it cleans

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<v Speaker 2>up your arm path because with the weight it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for your hand to get in positions that puts your

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<v Speaker 2>arm at stress or in risk of getting injured. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I've done Plowcare weighted balls now for a little

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<v Speaker 2>over ten years, and it's a it's a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a great way to just get back into the throwing

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<v Speaker 2>program before you start getting off the mound.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew, what's your off season go to training regiment? I

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<v Speaker 1>love this stuff. I've been in sports and football and

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<v Speaker 1>training my whole life, so I always geek out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I still kind of hit it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's whatever your body needs at that point, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you need more rest, and it's more rest if

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<v Speaker 4>you don't need as much, and then you can kind

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<v Speaker 4>of start building blocks. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Some guys start with mobility.

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<v Speaker 4>Some guys just go straight in the lifting, straight in

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<v Speaker 4>the running kind of thing like they didn't take any

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<v Speaker 4>time off.

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<v Speaker 1>For me personally, it's the same.

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<v Speaker 4>It's basically start moving around, start going to pull out

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<v Speaker 4>he start doing like you know, yoga and stuff to

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<v Speaker 4>like loosen up again. And then I go into lifting,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know, you start lifting four days a week,

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<v Speaker 4>and then it's five days a week, and then now

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<v Speaker 4>it's lifting around throwing because throwing becomes the number one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and just can't bench press and then go throw?

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<v Speaker 1>You could, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I say that because I knew he did. But it

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<v Speaker 4>just matters who you are, and like, just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the routine of baseball. It changes. You just start

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<v Speaker 4>making little tweaks and then you just figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew having to immediately you pegan or with us and guys,

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about last year getting eliminated. Uh no, shame

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<v Speaker 3>in losing that Dodgers team the best money that the

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<v Speaker 3>world economy can buy. But does that just make you

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<v Speaker 3>hungry for this year? Guys, let me start with.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Andrew. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, for one, I've never had a

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<v Speaker 4>taste of the postseason. I've never played that long.

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<v Speaker 1>It's had to be.

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<v Speaker 4>It was amazing, you know, the clinching moment was special

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<v Speaker 4>with the guys like you know, EP and all the

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<v Speaker 4>veterans kind of saying, hey, like this happens like just

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<v Speaker 4>go have fun like this is what it is. This

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<v Speaker 4>is what we've been working with to the entire season.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what hard, hard working determination is. I know

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't what we wanted to happen, but for guys

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<v Speaker 4>like me and EPs, well coming back, it just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of you got your foot in the door, like let's

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<v Speaker 4>let's go, let's go earn it and be even better

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<v Speaker 4>than last year because we know what we did. We

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<v Speaker 4>we know what we did last year to get there, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you know all?

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<v Speaker 1>How about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, people would say what they

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<v Speaker 2>want about the Dodgers. You know they're they're tremendous team,

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous run organization. We were right there with them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we had we had uh, we were in striking distance

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<v Speaker 2>in both of those games. We had bases loaded a

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<v Speaker 2>few times, balls bounce you know the other way from

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<v Speaker 2>when they did. Obviously, those are all hypotheticals, though you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get banters for hypotheticals and professional sports, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we're not happy with how it ended, but there's a belief.

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<v Speaker 2>Just there's a belief in that clubhouse now. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know in our conversations as a team that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we know we can compete with anybody, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>that we can go win any game, any series on

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<v Speaker 2>any given day. And so the excitement and the hope

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<v Speaker 2>that started back in twenty twenty three when all these

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<v Speaker 2>young guys started making their debuts and getting up to

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<v Speaker 2>this team for this fan base is now turning into

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<v Speaker 2>a belief and an expectation in that clubhouse. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we know we've got a special group and nothing's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be promised or you know, honestly, there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be even more of a target on our back now

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<v Speaker 2>because we were a playoff team. But we've earned that right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's why we work so hard. We've earned

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<v Speaker 2>the right to have teams come after us a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more. And we didn't. We didn't accomplish really anything

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<v Speaker 2>any of our goals last year. We set out to

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<v Speaker 2>win a division. We didn't. And so that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be step one, is to go win the Central and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then make a deep run in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>And Andrew, what about you? What is you most excited

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<v Speaker 1>about this upcoming season?

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<v Speaker 4>Just the group of guys that are going to be there.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know what we're going to have going forward?

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<v Speaker 4>In life is going to be relationships that we that

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<v Speaker 4>we make here. It's going to be the friends and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the family members that all the wives hanging

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<v Speaker 4>out together, all the girlfriends hanging out like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna matter way down the road. So just having like

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<v Speaker 4>a good family oriented team and having that support system

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<v Speaker 4>on the field with Tito on the field with teammates,

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<v Speaker 4>as well as off the field with all the fans

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<v Speaker 4>and and whatnot. And I know we're talking about Reds

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<v Speaker 4>fests and stuff like we're just so pumped to see

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<v Speaker 4>the crait the turnout that we're going to see the

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<v Speaker 4>city rallying behind us. So you know, I just think

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's nothing but special that and it's just you

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<v Speaker 4>can't tank take you know, I can't put in the

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<v Speaker 4>words literally.

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<v Speaker 1>I think pitching, guys, and I know you will agree,

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the premiere positions to play in all

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<v Speaker 1>of sports. I mean, you're in command, that ball is

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<v Speaker 1>in your hand, and how the game goes largely has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with with how you do so in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of preparation, and Millie, I'll start with you, what what

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<v Speaker 1>goes into Okay, you're it's it's Wednesday and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>you're starting tomorrow. To talk about the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>game prep, talk about scouting reports, talk about film. What

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<v Speaker 1>are some some of the processes that you go through

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<v Speaker 1>to get ready for a start?

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<v Speaker 2>Well for you really, yeah, where if I'm starting the game,

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<v Speaker 2>we might be in trouble because I'm not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go very longer. But as far as preparation

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<v Speaker 2>for each game, you know, we we've got our day

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<v Speaker 2>one of every series. We have our scouting report meeting

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<v Speaker 2>Arnie Kyle Arnsberg leads that he goes over every hitter

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<v Speaker 2>how we're going to approach them. You know, what we

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<v Speaker 2>think their weaknesses are, what we think their strengths are,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know what we're going to try and

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<v Speaker 2>do throughout that series against their team tendencies, whether they

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<v Speaker 2>like to steal a lot, whether they like to bunt,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they like to hit and run, or if they're

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, sit back and try and slug us

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<v Speaker 2>to death. All those things. So that's day one of

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<v Speaker 2>a series. As far as like individually preparing, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing you're doing your recovery stuff in the training

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<v Speaker 2>room with ours, with our training staff. Any type of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, weight room and trying to build the body

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<v Speaker 2>back up maybe after a week of you know, three

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<v Speaker 2>or four appearances for a reliever, you know, getting in

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<v Speaker 2>there and getting in some making sure your mobility is

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<v Speaker 2>still where it's at, because obviously, you know, as you

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<v Speaker 2>lose mobility, that's where some of the injury comes, because

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<v Speaker 2>your delivery is going to change. Anytime your delivery is

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<v Speaker 2>changing in season, you know, you're starting to use more

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<v Speaker 2>muscles and ligaments that are not used to being used,

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<v Speaker 2>and so just you're kind of hitting those those check

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<v Speaker 2>marks and making sure, like you know, biomechanically, my delivery

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<v Speaker 2>is where it needs to be. And so all the

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<v Speaker 2>goes into and then once the game starts, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff is great and the information is awesome

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<v Speaker 2>and it can benefit us, but once the game starts,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's how well can I compete and how well

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<v Speaker 2>can I execute? And you know, how how often can

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the stuff that we talked about without that

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<v Speaker 2>taking away from the competition's aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>There, And you also got to be in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the moment, hey I'm I think this picture right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's absolutely sometimes where what we're seeing with our

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<v Speaker 2>eyes is different than what we talked about in the

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<v Speaker 2>video room. And so you know, a guy might be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on the season, might be hitting three seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five on fastballs and and well maybe the last ten

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<v Speaker 2>at bats he's hitting eighty five against fastballs. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason his swing is off or his timing's off,

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<v Speaker 2>and so throwing him a breaking ball and that if

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<v Speaker 2>your eyes are telling you that throwing him a breaking

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<v Speaker 2>ball is doing him a favor. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as good as the information is and as prepared as

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<v Speaker 2>we are because of our support staff, our support coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, once the game starts, it really just is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trust your eyes, trust the competition, and go

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<v Speaker 2>and try and execute at a high level.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Andrew, let me ask you this one. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever just watch the body language of a hitter and

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<v Speaker 1>know I got him like I got or or do

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<v Speaker 1>you see the body language a guy and like, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's on one right now, he's hot right now? And

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<v Speaker 1>is that how does that change your approach as a pitcher?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I mean watch the hands, you know, you watch

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<v Speaker 4>the placement of the feet, are they moving in the box?

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<v Speaker 4>Watch where they filed the pitch off you can. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of information that's relayed just based off swings.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like where where's the ball located? What is

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<v Speaker 4>he trying to do with it? You know, what pitch

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<v Speaker 4>was it? And then it's just a chess match. At

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, it's like what can I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I got to.

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<v Speaker 4>Subtract, ad cut, slide, run, you know, whatever to do,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're basically just trying to get him out, like

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<v Speaker 4>that's what I'm there for. And at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the day, you just lay it all out like he's saying,

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<v Speaker 4>execution is the big thing. You know, you're prepared, like

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<v Speaker 4>our support coaches get us prepared. We do our homework ourselves,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we kind of just combine and then it's

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<v Speaker 4>me and Steve O or like me and TRAVENO or

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<v Speaker 4>whoever's like our battery mate back there, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>you and him versus that guy in the box, and

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<v Speaker 4>he's helping you just as much as you're seeing the

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<v Speaker 4>stuff that you think you see. So he's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that you know not. You can't communicate with

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<v Speaker 4>him obviously, but you know, if he sees something, he

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<v Speaker 4>might change the scouting important if his feet moved away

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<v Speaker 4>or up or back or you know something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>His hands moved down like we're not throwing that picture

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<v Speaker 4>doing this pitch like it's just to get like it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's a chess match, and that's what's fun about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you can try to prepare, you prepare before the game,

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<v Speaker 4>but like Meily said, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>you go compete like it's you versus him, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So you guys, I think that's one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that everybody loves about this team is that you are

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<v Speaker 3>a team. And it's obvious you guys get along well,

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<v Speaker 3>you all love each other, you're all having a blast

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff. But how much does Tito Francona mean to

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<v Speaker 3>you guys? It has to be something else to have

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<v Speaker 3>that guy in the clubhouse with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's awesome too. You know, anytime

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about Tito, no matter kind of what you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, whether it's college basketball, football, baseball, cards, anything,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to win and and it's really win at

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<v Speaker 2>all costs. And so having that be the guy that

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<v Speaker 2>is the head of the clubhouse, you know, the head

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<v Speaker 2>of the organization. Like this guy is all about winning

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<v Speaker 2>and so to have that it makes in turn the

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<v Speaker 2>us as players that like, that's our main focus is like,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's an ugly win, like, we just want

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<v Speaker 2>to win. And so obviously there's certain processes you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go through to win at a consistent level, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you have to be mindful of those. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>never going to be upset about winning. You know, We're

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<v Speaker 2>never going to not celebrate a win because winning at

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<v Speaker 2>the major league level is hard and Tito's been doing

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<v Speaker 2>it for a long time and we're very lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>have him.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Yeah, I mean he's Baseball Royalty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he's one World Series, he's got a lot of he's

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<v Speaker 4>got a lot of wins. I mean, he's been there,

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<v Speaker 4>done that. It's no better guy for like us, like

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<v Speaker 4>me being a young guy to come in and have

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<v Speaker 4>as a managers to kind of help you along, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>learn the game and all that. And what a Mila

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<v Speaker 4>said is true. I mean, it's the confidence in the players.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the traditional you know, hard nos coach that wants

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<v Speaker 4>to win and his confidence in the players to keep

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<v Speaker 4>guys out there, to give guys opportunities, you know, to

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<v Speaker 4>continue to stay with guys that might be struggling that

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<v Speaker 4>other guys might be like, oh, we need to do

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<v Speaker 4>something else. Like no, He's like, this guy will get

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<v Speaker 4>it done, and I promise you he will, and then

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<v Speaker 4>that confidence goes a long way.

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<v Speaker 1>So reds Vest does kicks off tomorrow and Saturday. Will

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<v Speaker 1>you guys would both be there?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, both days, both days both?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, we'll be there.

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<v Speaker 2>See everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Love it all right, guys, thanks for coming in.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys have a great series, Andrew, but immediately you'll

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<v Speaker 3>put gone with us. With that, we had to tray

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<v Speaker 3>of agun weather. What is going on