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Speaker 1: Gary Jeff checking in on this Tuesday evening on the

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Speaker 1: precipice of the storms. There's supposed to be some heavy

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Speaker 1: well maybe safe, well, maybe not even that. Coming up

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Speaker 1: on tonight's show, Old Radio Rick from Saturday morning to

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night, and we will be discussing some of those

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Speaker 1: the people that he's met along the way. From Old

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Speaker 1: Radio Rick at gmail dot com. Jim Ronacey, former Congressman,

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Speaker 1: Ohio businessman, and my phone friend will be joining us

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Speaker 1: in this hour. Also rock and Roll Archaeology, the repeat

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Speaker 1: of Saturday Morning show at Jim Lebarbara the Music Professor.

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Speaker 1: In case you did not catch it, Musician, songwriter, entrepreneur

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Speaker 1: Andy Ross from American Rebel. He's the CEO of that company.

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Speaker 1: Very patriotic as we head into America's two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday. Andy Furman the fur Ball is here and

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Speaker 1: John G. West talking about God given rights which are

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Speaker 1: embedded in our United States Constitution, not given by the government,

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Speaker 1: given by the Creator and what that actually means. But

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Speaker 1: Old Radio Rick leads things off in just minutes on

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Speaker 1: the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW Street on the Radio

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Speaker 1: with our and Rick Washburn, also known as Old Radio Rick.

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Speaker 1: You hear him every Saturday morning if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: talking and I said, you had some really wonderful stories

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Speaker 1: as you pursue your passion of, you know, repairing and

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Speaker 1: restoring these classic antique radios for people. And just from

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Speaker 1: from the very beginning when we gave out his email

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Speaker 1: address on the air on the air, he was busier

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Speaker 1: than he had been ever with people's requests for such

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Speaker 1: repairs and restorations. And along the way he's met some

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Speaker 1: really cool folks and some we won't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So tonight we're going to take a few minutes with

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Speaker 1: of working with people to bring their old beauty, their

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Speaker 1: of the time, but you know there are there are exceptions,

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Speaker 1: like with everything else in life. So old Radio, Rick,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the night Cap. It's great to have you, Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's great to be had, Thank you, thank you. All right.

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Speaker 1: So I was asking you about stories of meeting these

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Speaker 1: you had a few really good ones. Is there anything

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Speaker 2: Well, fresh on my mind, it's one from just a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago when Ben in Kentucky, I was delivering

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Speaker 2: So I pulled off where I could of this very

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Speaker 1: So no, so the goat is your tour guide. The

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Speaker 2: And even better is when I pull up and I

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Speaker 2: So we'll go into the pen. It was a little

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Speaker 1: What was the goat threatening you at all? I mean,

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Speaker 2: And of course I felt protected inside the old radio

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Speaker 1: Sorry, that's you know, some things we just don't need

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Speaker 2: And so she was ninety she's ninety three years old.

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Speaker 2: still with us. Told me a radio had just been repaired,

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Speaker 2: Two weeks later, after I picked it up, but hey,

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Speaker 2: I honestly think it was a early sign of the

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Speaker 3: I love that woman.

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Speaker 1: That was her mantra.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And she had such a sardonic and an ice

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's like the old lady, ninety three year

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Speaker 1: She said, absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So what other what of their old radio rick

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I remember going to a the house actually close

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Speaker 2: we could turn it into a piece of furniture. But

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd ask you first. I was like, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: I go out there and he has this amazing radio.

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Speaker 2: It's a Zenith. Now it's not the infamous one thousand

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Speaker 2: z stretosphere that sold for a bazillion dollars and was

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Speaker 2: the top of the line and the inspiration for the

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Speaker 2: Crosley WLW beans. But that aside. It was a very

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Speaker 2: you'd tell me. Oh, I guess he was testing you. Yep,

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Speaker 2: it was testing you. So did you wind up working

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And actually it didn't need a lot.

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Speaker 2: In had been restored not that long ago and from

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Speaker 2: a simple mistake that anybody could make. It had died

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Speaker 2: soon after the restoration was done, and he thought he

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh no, no, this guy, whoever he is,

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it is. He did fantastic work.

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Speaker 2: There was just this minor little thing that anybody could

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Speaker 2: working on a radio that could easily sell for over

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Speaker 3: It's like, I don't think he gave me thirty.

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Speaker 1: Your prices are very very friendly, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: As a as a benefactor of some of those services,

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Speaker 1: I can tell that with great truth so old Radio, Rick,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about some of the people

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings, but you've developed some some pretty unique friendships

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about Toledo Steve for a second.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Toledo Steve like he became my best buddy in

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Speaker 3: And we actually met.

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Speaker 2: Over Facebook because there was a fellow in Seattle that

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Speaker 2: But he was the first to tell you he just

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Speaker 2: out that he'd fix this Emerson plastic radio that it

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Speaker 2: Number two. I love that particular radio because it is

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Speaker 2: a groage sale when I was a kid, and it

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Speaker 2: just has kind of a gothic hunting look to it.

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Speaker 2: In my eyes, I said, I'd be glad to do this.

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Speaker 2: Give me the details. So I drove up and met

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Speaker 2: Steve and his son provided me a cup of coffee

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Speaker 2: that tasted like soap, so at least I know the

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Speaker 2: cup was clean, and Heeve apologized not for the soap case,

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Speaker 2: but because he doesn't drink coffee, so he had whatever

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter, yes, but.

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Speaker 2: We really hit it off and we stayed in touch,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well that sounds like a beauty. That sounds

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Speaker 1: Weren't weren't a students either. That's right, Rick. It's always

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Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, thank you so much for the opportunity. I

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Speaker 1: Old Radio Rick at gmail dot com. But don't bother him,

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Speaker 1: he's busy. It's the Nightcap and it continues on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred w l W. Former congressman and businessman Jim Reneci.

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Speaker 1: We have some lively conversations from time to time about

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Speaker 1: Jim Ornacy, Well, damn thank you for having Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: two things of course, this morning, bright and early, President

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Speaker 5: Well, again, politically exactly the right thing. That he knew

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Speaker 5: Day eleven, so he knew there were problems. He saw

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: their neighbors. Isn't this as much about China as anything else,

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Speaker 5: I think there was a lot to it. Sure, we

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And what has been amazing to me, just like

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Speaker 1: And you know they're not they're not showing you everything

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Speaker 1: According to a and I mentioned China here at the top.

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Speaker 1: So the strikes on Iran are having definite reverberations in

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Speaker 1: Russia and China, and they've mostly stayed out of it

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Speaker 1: outside of paying lip service to saying we were wrong

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Speaker 1: to do it.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting in when I was in Congress, the access

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Speaker 5: of evil was really and we were always told if

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Speaker 5: these three countries do get together, the United States will

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Speaker 5: have serious problems. And that's China, Russian, Iran. So they

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Speaker 5: have been communicating, they've always been partners. You're right, China

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Speaker 5: and Russia have somewhat stayed out of this, at least

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Speaker 5: from what we know. Some say that they're providing Iran

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Speaker 5: some very not only oversight but also some equipment, and

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Speaker 5: I believe that too, because Iran still seems to be

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Speaker 5: viable to be able to shoot missiles.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: I realize the amount of missiles being shot or way down.

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Speaker 6: But they're still shooting.

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Speaker 5: So at some point in time they're getting something from somewhere.

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Speaker 5: And again we'll see where that all comes from. But

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Speaker 5: I do believe we do not want those three ever

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Speaker 5: coming together. That access of evil will be very damaging

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Speaker 5: for the United States, no.

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Speaker 1: Doubt about that. Certainly even more formidable, I think than

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Speaker 1: Nazi Germany, Japan, and Italy or whoever else joined their

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Speaker 1: little axis during World War Two. I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: into this government shutdown. It continues, and it is absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I believe absurd that the Democrats continue to do this.

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Speaker 1: They're refusing to vote on something that they okayed a

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Speaker 1: couple of months ago, and you know, the Senate continues

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Speaker 1: to just kind of plod along. John Thune on the

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Speaker 1: air earlier today talking about and he was visibly mad.

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Speaker 1: And John Thune is usually, you know, like a cardboard

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Speaker 1: cutout character. So I don't think it's helping the Democrats politically.

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason that they would be doing it.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like it may backfire on them. What

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Speaker 1: do you think about that?

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Speaker 5: Well, somebody's tell them that does help them. Again, we're all.

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Speaker 3: Going to know in November.

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Speaker 5: I've been saying this for a year now. Every move

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Speaker 5: made since November of last year especially, is a political

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Speaker 5: move for November of this year. And even though we

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Speaker 5: may think it doesn't help the Democrats, there's somebody out

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Speaker 5: there that is saying this is the way you should move,

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Speaker 5: this is what you should do. And there's somebody on

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Speaker 5: the Republican side saying the exact same thing, and that's

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Speaker 5: where political science come into play, that's where polling comes

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Speaker 5: into play. In the end, the real outcome will be November.

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Speaker 5: If the Democrats take the House, which I mean everybody

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Speaker 5: believes that's going to happen, and they take the Senate,

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Speaker 5: then we can only look back and say the moves

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Speaker 5: they made were the right moves for them, maybe not

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Speaker 5: the right moves for Republicans or the right moves for

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Speaker 5: the country, but November will be the scorecard, and I

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Speaker 5: think every move going forward will be based on that.

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Speaker 5: Just like the President coming out and saying that the

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Speaker 5: Safe Act has to have two or three other things

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Speaker 5: added to it for him to sign it, which have

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Speaker 5: nothing to do with elections. And again I've talked about this,

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Speaker 5: this is a political move by the president. Somebody is saying, hey,

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Speaker 5: let's add this stuff to it because we know the

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Speaker 5: Democrats aren't going to pass it, and then we'll use

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Speaker 5: it against them. But the Safe Act is not going

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Speaker 5: to pass. Fun has said it's not going to pass,

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Speaker 5: and now we're adding a couple of things to it

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Speaker 5: from a political statue. So all of this is done

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Speaker 5: in an effort to prepare for the November elections.

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Speaker 1: Well, I believe that most people, including you, are right

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Speaker 1: on the fact that the House may swing Democrat, and

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Speaker 1: it almost you know, we're a long way off still,

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Speaker 1: but you know that routinely happens this time in a presidency.

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Speaker 1: And there are so many things. I guess there were

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Speaker 1: fifty five Republicans who are either retiring or I saw

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Speaker 1: the number the other night and it was thirty four.

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Speaker 5: In twenty eighteen, there were thirty four, and already this

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Speaker 5: year there are thirty five, which means anticipate between between

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Speaker 5: forty five and fifty five Republicans retiring out of the House.

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Speaker 5: So it's Republicans definitely see that coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if the Senate goes Jim, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be stuck with two years of impeach Trump, impeach everybody

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Speaker 1: in the administration. And that does not serve the country well,

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Speaker 1: and I wish people would see that when they go

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Speaker 1: to the polls.

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Speaker 5: Well, keep in mind, you don't need the Senate to

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Speaker 5: do an impeachmentth I mean.

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Speaker 1: No, you need a Senate to convict.

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Speaker 5: Right, and you'll never get sixty votes out of the

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Speaker 5: Senate to convict you.

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Speaker 1: All right, The Democrats are going to blow up the filibuster.

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Speaker 1: We all know that, and there's been such pressure on

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Speaker 1: the Republicans to do the same thing, because as soon

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Speaker 1: as the Democrats have control of the Senate, they are

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Speaker 1: going to find a way to just get rid of

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Speaker 1: the filibuster altogether. And they'll be passing things on a

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Speaker 1: fifty one vote margin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, an impeachment, impeachment of the Constitution. I think it's

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Speaker 5: two thirds, it's a higher number, so it's not fifty

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Speaker 5: one percent. So again, they will, they will dance around.

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Speaker 5: They'll have more opportunity to talk about it if they

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Speaker 5: control the House and the Senate. I don't believe they'll

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Speaker 5: be able to do it, but you're right, we'll spend

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Speaker 5: two years with potential impeachable issues. And the real question

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Speaker 5: then is do Republicans cross over. Let's not assume that

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Speaker 5: that's not an option. There are some Republicans in the

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Speaker 5: Senate that Trump has put bullseyes on. If they win,

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Speaker 5: I can come back, or if somebody wins that in

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Speaker 5: some of these seats that people in the Senate are

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Speaker 5: retiring as well, then you could also have that as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean President Trump has made enemies in the Senate

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Speaker 5: as well, which is sometimes amazing to me because you

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Speaker 5: know he's going to have to deal with these people

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Speaker 5: in the future.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the most powerful political body in our government,

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Speaker 1: more than likely because of the number. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and things have to go through the Senate

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Speaker 1: to become a law. I mean, really, are is there

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Speaker 1: a more powerful elected position in our government than a

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Speaker 1: US senator? Jim No.

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Speaker 5: The only one more powerful is the governors because there's

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Speaker 5: only fifty of those, but they don't control the entire nation,

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Speaker 5: but the Senate does. And I would agree it's a

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Speaker 5: very powerful organization. And one of the reasons why, you know,

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Speaker 5: President Trump, especially when we are such a divided country,

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Speaker 5: you've got to make sure that if you put a

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Speaker 5: bullseye on one of these people to remove them from office,

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Speaker 5: you're better be sure they leave because if not. Look

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Speaker 5: at Tillos, I mean, President Trump has taken on Tillis.

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Speaker 5: Tillis is leaving, but on the way out he is

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Speaker 5: definitely anti Trump and bringing up a lot of things

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Speaker 5: against President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that Donald Trump is uh,

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of teflon on him because you

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Speaker 1: look at all the things that have been thrown at

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Speaker 1: him and tried, including him being indicted and convicted on

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Speaker 1: trumped up no pun intended felony charges in New York.

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Speaker 1: That was purely political. It had nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: anything based in reality. And all the other things that

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Speaker 1: have been thrown his way, the impeachments and you know,

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Speaker 1: after the perfectly perfect phone call and all the other

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Speaker 1: stuff that they have thrown at President Trump, at this

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Speaker 1: man on the campaign trail and while he's in office,

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Speaker 1: and he's still just you know, he seems to pull

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Speaker 1: it out of the fire every time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't disagree with you. He's had a lot

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Speaker 5: thrown at him. Again, He's going to have a lot

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Speaker 5: more thrown at him. If the Senate, if the House

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Speaker 5: goes against him, his last two years will really be

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Speaker 5: you know, full of oversight and full of a lot

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Speaker 5: of people, you know, looking back as well. I mean

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Speaker 5: there are some that claim that Christinome there's a lot

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Speaker 5: to there's a lot to be looked at there that

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Speaker 5: if the Senate, if the House goes to the Democrats,

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Speaker 5: because one of them what important things the House is

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Speaker 5: responsible for his oversight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, Jim Orinacy always good

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Speaker 1: to toss these over with you because you've been there,

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Speaker 1: and you've been around the Beltway and an observer of

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Speaker 1: politics in America for quite some time. And I respect

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Speaker 1: your opinions, even though I don't always agree with him.

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Speaker 1: But it's great to have you on again. Thanks a lot, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 5: You have a good evening.

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Speaker 1: Hey you too. Jim Ornacy on the Nightcap a songwriter,

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Speaker 1: a musician, an entrepreneur, and is the CEO of something

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Speaker 1: called American Rebel and it is based on his own patriotism,

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Speaker 1: on his energy for that America's two hundred and fiftieth

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Speaker 1: birthday coming up, and he says that is refueling patriotism

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Speaker 1: in our country. And I boy, I hope he's right.

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Speaker 1: I pray that he's right. But he also was on

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Speaker 1: the out door channel for years. You may have seen

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Speaker 1: him on Maximum Archery went more than a decade, so

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Speaker 1: he not only has suffered the slings and arrows, he's

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Speaker 1: probably fired a few. Andy, Andy Ross, if you don't

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Speaker 1: mind join us here in the night Cap, it's great

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Speaker 1: to have you.

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Speaker 7: How are you, hey, I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 1: All right, so tell me a little bit about about

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Speaker 1: the music that you continue to make and how that

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Speaker 1: has played a big role in your life and in

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Speaker 1: your patriotism.

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Speaker 7: You know, the music came about, you know, kind of

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Speaker 7: through the side door. I had the TV show Maximum Archerie,

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Speaker 7: as you mentioned. I thought it would be fine to

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Speaker 7: film not just the haunts, with the camaraderie, the travel.

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Speaker 7: You know, we would go in and out of you know,

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Speaker 7: bars and old gold mining towns and try to find

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Speaker 7: places to do laundry and crossing borders and get in tags.

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Speaker 7: And you know, when we went out the show, we

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Speaker 7: didn't just you know, go on a hunt for the

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Speaker 7: weekend and come home. We were you know, we were

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Speaker 7: out three, four or five weeks at a time. When

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Speaker 7: we'd go up to Canada, we may hit Black Bear,

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Speaker 7: go over to Caribou. You know, we would stay out

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Speaker 7: for two or three hunts at a time. So we

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Speaker 7: were we were gone, and we were living in and

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Speaker 7: we were in the woods about seventy percent of the time.

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Speaker 7: So when we came out, you know, we were looking

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Speaker 7: for something to do, and so we filmed the camaraderie.

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Speaker 7: It was kind of like, you know, one of the

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Speaker 7: first reality shows. And I thought, you know what could

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Speaker 7: be cool with this, To give this hunting show kind

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Speaker 7: of some grit and a little bit of a rock

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Speaker 7: and roll edge. Is let's change the name from Maximum

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Speaker 7: Marchorie to Maximum MARCHERI World Tour, and let's treat this

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Speaker 7: thing like a tour. We would put the dates, the species,

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Speaker 7: the places we were hunting across the back of T

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Speaker 7: shirts and down the T shirts old Van Haven concert

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Speaker 7: shirts and shirts. And you know, I thought, well, I

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Speaker 7: can play a little music.

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Speaker 6: I can write.

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Speaker 7: You know, I know my way around the recording studio

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Speaker 7: a little bit. And so I wrote music specifically for

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Speaker 7: the show, just to give the show a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Of a rock and roll vibe.

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Speaker 7: Use it during the you know, the intro, the opener,

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Speaker 7: the credits rolling in and out of commercials. And I

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Speaker 7: wrote songs like Gotta Go Hunting, Blues, hunt Me Down,

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Speaker 7: Buck of a Lifetime, Blood Trail on a White Tail,

655
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 7: support local wildlife, and uh, you know, I wrote and

656
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 7: recorded these songs specifically for the show. But what I

657
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 7: didn't know was the Internet was going to blow up,

658
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 7: file sharing was going to become a thing. Something called

659
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 7: iTunes was coming out, and the next thing I knew,

660
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 7: I had music going everywhere, I mean around the world.

661
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 7: I had other shows wanting to use the music on

662
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 7: their show, and then the next thing I knew, Nashville

663
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 7: started calling. So it truly was an oh. By the way,

664
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 7: it turned in to a really nice music career. And

665
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 7: the music and the songs, which we'll get into have

666
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 7: you know, have led me many different directions.

667
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: How did you get into doing the TV.

668
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 7: Show I had, you know, grow I grew up in

669
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 7: a small town in southeast Kansas called Chanook, Kansas. I

670
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 7: later moved to Kansas City, and seventeen years ago I

671
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 7: moved to Nashville. But when we grew up in Channook, Kansas,

672
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 7: you know, we were very much into hunting, me and

673
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 7: my friends. But it was it was more pheasant hunting,

674
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 7: quell hunting, duck hunting, you know, some turkey, and we

675
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 7: would even go you know, duck hunting in the mornings

676
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 7: before school. I mean, that's how dedicated we were. For

677
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 7: We'd get to class about thirty minutes late, and our principal,

678
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 7: you know, in a small town, understood and by the way, yes,

679
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 7: our shotguns were in our trucks and no one cared.

680
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 7: But we uh, you know, just a passion for hunting.

681
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 7: As I got a little older, I got into our street,

682
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 7: and you know, I was watching these shows on the

683
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 7: Outdoor Channel and the others, you know outdoor programs, and

684
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 7: I just thought, you know, I wouldn't mind filming some

685
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 7: of my hunts. And I had a friend named Mike

686
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 7: Osborne who had done some filming for the Droolry Brothers

687
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 7: as kind of a part time cameraman. And I talked

688
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 7: him in too coming on a few hunts with me,

689
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 7: and over a year or two we put together about

690
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 7: four hunts that we had good video on, got someone

691
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 7: to help me. DVDs had just become a thing from

692
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 7: you know, VHS tick, and was able to put, you know,

693
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 7: get a DVD out and kind of try to market

694
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 7: it a little bit and send it off to some networks,

695
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 7: and and it worked. I guess I wasn't truly expecting

696
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 7: the phone to ring and end up with my own

697
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 7: TV show, but I did. And we also, you know,

698
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 7: also along the way, we started making votes. So we

699
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 7: were into bow hunting to say the least.

700
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: Well, I know you're proud of the new beer, but

701
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: tell me about American Rebel. This is a gun save company.

702
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: This is a beer company. What are the things are

703
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: American Rebel doing right now? Andy Ross, you're the CEO.

704
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 7: Sure well, you know, I said, the music's led me

705
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 7: a lot of directions I had. I wrote a song

706
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 7: in twenty twelve which was on my Time to Fight

707
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 7: CD in two thousand fifteen called American Rebel. It went

708
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 7: viral as a patriotic anthem. Landed me on counting cars

709
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 7: where Danny built me the Second Amendment muscle car ran

710
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 7: into entrepreneur Corey Lambert, who had just helped bring Smith

711
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 7: and Wesson back to the United States, and he said, Andy,

712
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 7: that song's a brand. He said, American Rebels a brand.

713
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 7: The songs the mission statement, We're America's patriotic brand. And

714
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 7: before we even knew what the product was going to be.

715
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 7: In twenty fifteen, with you know, with Kree kind of

716
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 7: leading the way there on the business side, we launched

717
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 7: a brand. We decided to put out our consilled carry clothing, backpacks,

718
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 7: coach jackets. In twenty nineteen, we got into gun safes.

719
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 7: We're one of the largest manufacturers of gun safs in

720
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 7: the country. We were able to buy our OEM manufacturer,

721
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 7: which was Champion Safe, so but you know people would

722
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 7: ask us, just just as you did, what is American rebel?

723
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 7: You know, are you a gun safe company? And you

724
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 7: know we are what we set out to be, America's

725
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 7: patriotic brand. I want to see American rebel beer. I

726
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 7: want to see American rebel g American rebel tools, Merton

727
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 7: rebel motor oil, tool cues, will Beryl's. I want Susie

728
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 7: to go up to mom and say, Mom, what's dad

729
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 7: want for Father's Day? She says anything with American rebel

730
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 7: on it. But we did, you know, we've we've launched

731
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 7: America's Patriotic God beer in constitutional eleven, national anthem sing

732
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 7: and stand your ground beer. We've done it overwhelming overwhelming success.

733
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 7: We're in eighteen states in about a year and a

734
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 7: half and you know, just blass man, just blessed.

735
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love the America's Patriotic God, fearing constitution, loving

736
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: national anthem singing standard ground beer. That's that's a really

737
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: long slogan.

738
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's so much good to talk about in this country.

739
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 7: You know, it's hard to get it into two or

740
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 7: three works.

741
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: So tell me what is American rebel light beer? Like,

742
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: give me a give me a taste description, Andy roys.

743
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 7: Well, if I'm on a short lease and someone asked

744
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 7: me that question, I just say it tastes like freedom

745
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 7: that since we got a few minutes here, it is

746
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 7: the only all natural light beer on the market. We

747
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 7: don't use corn syrup or rice extract. We use two

748
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 7: row barley, so the beer does have a beer tasee

749
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 7: to it. We don't have to over carbonate the beer

750
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 7: to try to make up for lack of flavors, so

751
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 7: it's not over carbonated. It's all. It's clean, it's natural

752
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 7: and no GMOs. And you know, we've we worked really

753
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 7: hard on the formulation with award winning brewmasters and and

754
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 7: put it together. And we're real proud of what's in

755
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 7: the can?

756
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Do you truly what's that?

757
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: No?

758
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: What would you say?

759
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 7: I was just going to say we you know, we

760
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 7: always thought that people would gravitate to it as patriots.

761
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 7: They'd love our message, they'd love the can. The packaging

762
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 7: is great, but we knew they would only try it

763
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 7: once if they didn't really love what was in the can.

764
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 7: So yeah, we spent we spent a lot of time

765
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 7: getting it right.

766
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: All right. I've often said Andy that atf which is

767
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: atf E now, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, explosives. Ought to be

768
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: a store or not a government agency. I don't know

769
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: if you share my views on that, but be a

770
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: great store, it really would, and a safe space. Really.

771
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: I was joking people talking about the danger guns pose,

772
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: and I said, you want to know what the safest

773
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 1: place in America is? Anywhere there are ten thousand gun

774
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: enthusiasts at a gun show, It's going to be this.

775
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: That's right. It's the safest place for you to possibly be.

776
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Why is America two fifty do you think actually fueling

777
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: renewed patriotism? Do you feel it? Is it something that

778
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: you've seen, Is it anything other than just a hunch

779
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: or just a gut feeling on this? And Andy, I

780
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: hope you're right, because, of course, the mainstream media seems

781
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: to make the case that we're such a divided nation

782
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: and and all of the other attractions were not an

783
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: exceptional country. You hear that still all the time? Are

784
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: you hearing less of that? What are you seeing to

785
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: say that our two hundred and fiftieth birthday is going

786
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: to be an explosion of renewed patriotism in this country?

787
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 6: Well?

788
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 7: I would say that, you know, it's very timely, and

789
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 7: you know that the two fifty is this year. I

790
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 7: think we started seeing, you know, a movement over the

791
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 7: last you know, six twelve months. Although slow, we start

792
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 7: seeing you know, college kids with conservative groups you know,

793
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 7: speak their mind, and people you know willing to stand

794
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 7: up and and you know, be be pro America again.

795
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 7: I think I think we took a really bad turn

796
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 7: there for a while, and I think I think the

797
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 7: you know, we're right in the course. I do agree

798
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 7: with you one thousand percent that mainstream you know media,

799
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 7: they're there. They you know, people forget entertainment channels, they're

800
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 7: not necessarily news channels. And if they find if a

801
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 7: certain group of people find it entertaining to be let

802
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 7: around in a certain direction, then they tune into that

803
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 7: particular network. It's very, very dividing. I think that we

804
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 7: have a lot more in common with each other than

805
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 7: you know. There's there's no network that comes together at

806
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 7: night just to show, you know, how sixty seventy percent

807
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 7: of us may not be all that far apart. You know,

808
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 7: on both sides, sides of the aisle. You can't tell

809
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 7: me everybody on the right is all the way to

810
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 7: the right, you know edge, and everybody on the left

811
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 7: is all the way to the left edge. But that's

812
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 7: what makes TV. So you know, we have we we've

813
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 7: said this already, you know on the can America's patriotic

814
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 7: God beer in Constitution eleven national anthem sing and stand

815
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 7: your ground beer. It doesn't say anything about being you know,

816
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 7: way off to the right. Can somebody on the left, Uh,

817
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 7: that's that's kind of middle ground, Like like people on

818
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 7: the right that can have some middle ground? Are they

819
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 7: God fearing and constitutional of it? And to sing the

820
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 7: national anthem? You know, those people can be on both

821
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 7: sides of the aisle. And we see that with our

822
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 7: with our product, we see uh uh, there are there

823
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 7: are people on the left that think we made this

824
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 7: beer for them because they believe also what's on the can.

825
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 7: So I think there's I think there's more middle ground

826
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 7: then maybe gets credit. I think there's more conversation. I

827
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 7: think young people are are are becoming more conservative and

828
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 7: conservative views. I think we've had enough with really you know,

829
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 7: just what what what are disguised as protests when they

830
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 7: turn violent, dangerous, destructive. You know, I think we've seen

831
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 7: enough and I do think we've were right in the ship.

832
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that when when it comes to violence that's not

833
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: protected speech, that becomes it's not that becomes against the

834
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: rule of law, and it's abstruction.

835
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 7: Of personal property, real.

836
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Estate, vandalism or any of it, you know, assaulting ice

837
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: officers or police officers with cans or even snowballs, yeah,

838
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: or spit. Entrepreneurship, it's it's a wonderful word. But I

839
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know if there's been a more exciting time for

840
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: aspiring entrepreneurs in this country than right now.

841
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 7: What do you think, Well, I think I think being

842
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 7: an entrepreneur and starting a business and and you know,

843
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 7: we live in a country where you can do that.

844
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 7: You know, where you have the right to start a business.

845
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 7: There's many benefits to being in business. Why do you

846
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 7: get to choose the people you work with? For the

847
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 7: most part, if you want to start a family business

848
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 7: and work with family and and uh you know, like

849
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 7: minded people that you can bring into your to your company,

850
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 7: and and uh so there's you know, there's benefits of that.

851
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 7: But I think it I think starting a business. You

852
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 7: live in a country where you can, so you you

853
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 7: might as well give it a try. I don't think

854
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 7: a lot of people are successful their first time out

855
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 7: or their second time out. I do think it's it's

856
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 7: uh something you work at. But I think being an entrepreneur,

857
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 7: and I say this a lot, it's really kind of

858
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 7: like it's always been right. It's it's opportunity mixed with difficulty.

859
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 7: There's a lot of opportunity out there, and any path

860
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 7: you choose, there's gonna it's gonna be difficult. There's gonna

861
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 7: be setbacks, there's gonna be uh just days that don't work.

862
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 7: It feels like everything that's working out there's against you.

863
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 7: It's opportunity mixed with difficulty. And you got to know

864
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 7: that going in, the price of success can be whatever

865
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 7: you determine success to be. By the way, I'm not

866
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 7: just saying monetarily, but the price of success is uh expensive,

867
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 7: but the price for failure is very expensive. So we

868
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 7: work at it. We work hard every day. People think

869
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 7: if you own your own business and business looks successful

870
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 7: and can be successful, that every day of your life

871
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 7: is just you know, like a holiday.

872
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: It's not.

873
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard work, and do you do it.

874
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 7: You're doing it with your show, you know, you know

875
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 7: what it's like and and uh, but I applaud it.

876
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 7: I love it, and I would encourage anyone to follow

877
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 7: a dream, follow a passion, and be ready to work.

878
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: All right, simple question, Andy Ross, how do how do

879
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: people find American Rebel in their products? I know you've

880
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: got a website or something you'd like to point people to.

881
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 7: Sure Rebel dot com. The beer is off on its own,

882
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 7: kind of specifically at American Rebel Beer dot com because

883
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 7: you must be twenty one to enter the site. Everything

884
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 7: on my music side is at Andy Hurss dot com.

885
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: Andy Ross dot com, sir uh, and is h American

886
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Rebel Beer available in Kentucky or Ohio?

887
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 7: You said eight are in both states?

888
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: All right?

889
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 7: We are in Kentucky and we are in Ohio.

890
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: All right, fantastic listen. I wish you a great continued

891
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: success Andy, with everything you're doing. I love the branding

892
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: and I love the patriotic lilt to everything that you're doing,

893
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: especially here on America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. And

894
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: thanks for the time tonight, brother, all right.

895
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 7: You bet, my friend, God bless I appreciate.

896
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: It, God bless you. It's the nightcap and it rolls

897
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: on in minutes the fur Ball is coming up. We

898
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: could discuss with our friend the fur Ball. Andy Furman,

899
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: who usually is in his car this time of night

900
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: because he's always in his car, actually has embedded himself

901
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: at home, and I guess it's to take care of

902
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: his beautiful wife. So he's spending more time at home

903
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: and less out on the mean streets of the tri

904
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: State where he usually is. I don't know, cruising for

905
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: abduction suspects. Maybe I'm not sure exactly what he does

906
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: in his car all that time, nor do I really

907
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: I want to know, But that is moot because Andy

908
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: is here, He's in a nice, safe place, and he's

909
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: ready to roll. Good evening.

910
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 4: Yes I am. And you mentioned my wife. I am

911
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 4: taking care of her because she had a knee replacement

912
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 4: surgery a week ago Friday. So we're working on that,

913
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 4: taking her physical therapy and things and that. So things

914
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 4: are okay. And I thought that we'd do something like

915
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 4: an alumni show today. Okay, and I want to talk

916
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 4: about it, and the alumnus of choice today as I

917
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: spun the wheel is none other than Mick Cronin. Mick Cronin,

918
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 4: the former basketball coach University Cincinnati now at UCLA. He

919
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: said something very interesting which I want to share with you,

920
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 4: and I think we dissect this pretty well. You know,

921
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 4: the Division I basketball tournament March Madness, the selection Sunday

922
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 4: is this Sunday, but the portal is a fifteen day

923
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 4: window and it starts to day after the national champion

924
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: is crowned, which would be April the seventh, and this

925
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 4: year is gonna be the shortest window the entry ever. Really,

926
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 4: so Nick Corny came out and said this the other day.

927
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 4: He said, I'm courting now. We should do everything we

928
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 4: can to stop these kids from transferring too much because

929
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: nobody is going to graduate. All right. Sounds really good?

930
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 4: All right, it really does. And he says, these kids

931
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 4: aren't going to have the grades if they are transferring

932
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 4: three or four times, so we've got to do everything

933
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 4: we can to stop it, which sounds wonderful if those

934
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 4: words came from a college professor or college president, coming

935
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 4: from a college basketball coach to me, and maybe I'm

936
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 4: picking here. To me, it sounds like I could self serving.

937
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: He doesn't want his kids to transfer in the portal

938
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 4: because he wants to build some sort of a program there.

939
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 4: Do you agree, well.

940
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: Of course, that's that's what he wants to do, is

941
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: build a program. That's what any coach would love to have.

942
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 4: Those remarked he couldn't care less if they transfer. He

943
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 4: has wanted to transfer because he wanted to stay with

944
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 4: him for the long hold things, and he don'tant to

945
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 4: start looking in the portal for more players than UCLA.

946
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: The thing that's hollow about what he's said, it's either

947
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: just dripping with naivete and I don't think. I don't

948
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: think Cronin Mic Cronin is naive at all about where

949
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: he's out in this current situation with so called student

950
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: athletes and colleges and universities. But it more than likely

951
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: is just hypocrisy at its highest level because these guys

952
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: haven't cared about whether their kids graduate four years. And

953
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: especially now you've got you don't have athletic directors at

954
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: schools anymore. You've got managers, general managers. This has become

955
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: a this has become a professional game at the college level.

956
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: It is semi pro whatever you want to call it.

957
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: If there's money being paid, which there is, If there's

958
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: a way for kids to hop from one school to another,

959
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: just like the coaches have always done this. Education is

960
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: not on any of these kids radar. If it is.

961
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: If it is, it's a kid who's not playing very much,

962
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: who understands it is future is not going to be this,

963
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: this sport or whatever. But there is the same kids

964
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,959
Speaker 1: who are transferring three and four times. If they only

965
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: transferred once, they wouldn't be there to be worried about

966
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: their grades.

967
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 4: That's, you know what. To me, there's more stability on

968
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 4: basketball rosters of the NBA than in college. There really is.

969
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't think it's good for anybody.

970
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 4: I don't think it's good for the kids. I don't

971
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 4: think it's good for the school. I don't think it's

972
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 4: for the academic area of the school. And I don't

973
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 4: think it's good for the fans, because you really want

974
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 4: to follow the growth of a kid.

975
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 5: Now.

976
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: As much as I'm following Miami University and I love them,

977
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: See I didn't say Miami with Hive. Was said Miami University.

978
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: As much as I'm following Miami University, I'm really rooting

979
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 4: for them because I love this style of play. They

980
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: look for the open man, they keep on running, they

981
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 4: pass the basketball. It's a team effort all the way. However,

982
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 4: on the back of my mind, I question how many

983
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 4: of those kids will be returned next year. If they

984
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: go into the portal they say they love it. I'm

985
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: sure they do love it. They're love it what's happening there.

986
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: But I think if they're going to get a big

987
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 4: payday from a big school calling them up after the season,

988
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna both, don't you.

989
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 7: Well.

990
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's the key that I think Travis

991
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Steele has has found to unlock this door this year

992
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: at Miami is finding a bunch of kids who maybe

993
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: aren't on everybody's want list, but they are playing well

994
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: together at the right time.

995
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: And the good news is for Travis Steele is the

996
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 4: fact that there's a good chance that these kids who

997
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 4: do play very well together were probably not recruited by

998
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 4: major schools exactly, but they have a bit of a

999
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: chip on their shoulder, and maybe the loyalty fact that I, well,

1000
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: Travis and Miami took care of me, I'm going to stay.

1001
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: Perhaps I think that may be very well at play Andy,

1002
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: and I believe that it probably is. There's if you've

1003
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: ever been in a situation where there is somebody say,

1004
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: at a radio station, who was the most well known

1005
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: personality in town, almost even more than TV people. No,

1006
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: not me. Let's use Bill Cunningham as an example. And

1007
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: then you just have the peripheral, the guys that fill

1008
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: in who are good, but you know they're not superstars.

1009
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: But really, Willie drives the ship. And I'm not saying

1010
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: that's the case here, but I'm just using him as

1011
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: an example, and the radio station as an example. I

1012
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: was working at a radio station in Nashville with a

1013
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: bunch of other kids in the mid eighties, late eighties

1014
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: who nobody ever heard of in this business, and because

1015
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: we jelled at the right place at the right time,

1016
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: with the right leadership. None of us were superstars, but

1017
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: that station took off like a rocket. We were number

1018
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: one in the market for three straight years when we

1019
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: couldn't have sniffed number one another station. It was just

1020
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time.

1021
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 4: And you know, that's a poor comparison radio to a

1022
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 4: college basketball They had a real poor comparison. Well to

1023
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 4: say it's an analogy comparison. Whatever you want to do is

1024
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 4: still poor, very poor. I'll tell you why. Number one,

1025
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 4: where you're located on the dial. What's the frequency number one,

1026
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: number two? You compare in your station in Nashville to

1027
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 4: other stations in there. I took off that play. What

1028
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 4: you play, well, what your music was at the time.

1029
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 4: I mean you play country music, I'm sure right, So

1030
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 4: how many how many country stations were That's that's bad,

1031
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 4: that's a bad embarrass whatever you want to call it, ridiculous.

1032
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: You don't know any You don't know anything about what

1033
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about, which is not unusual.

1034
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 4: To your radio station in Nashville, because it was.

1035
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: The right place, the right people, at the right time

1036
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: for six says. And that's exactly what Travis Steele has

1037
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: conjured in Oxford.

1038
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 4: Oh so wait a second. So you talk about seven

1039
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 4: hundred WLW. When I was there, we were dominate. They's

1040
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 4: somewhat dominant. Now, what's the difference the right place, the

1041
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 4: right time, or a strong station or a strong signal.

1042
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 4: I remember Bob Trump, he may he rest in peace.

1043
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 4: He bolted and left WLW. I went to a place

1044
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 4: called the Score. I think it was eleven sixty in

1045
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: the morning, did the morning show. He wasn't even in

1046
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 4: the ratings. It's not him. It was a signal.

1047
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 5: It's a stick.

1048
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: It's fifty thousand watts when you're go to thirty eight

1049
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 4: states at night. I'm not that dumb to realize that.

1050
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 4: I realized that I did it myself. I left and

1051
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 4: I went to eleven sixty real talk at the time.

1052
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 4: All right, I was on like from four to six

1053
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 4: or whatever, it was five to seven in the afternoon.

1054
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 4: No one hurt us for the sun point down. You

1055
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: couldn't pick the station up.

1056
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't using seven hundred as a comparison, Andy,

1057
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: I was using the station in Nashville, which had the

1058
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: same wattage as almost every other station in the market.

1059
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: But it did matter, and you.

1060
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 4: Could pairy different formats. I'm not going to period. Basketball

1061
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 4: is basketball basketball from radio station format to basketball. Come on,

1062
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 4: bet you're better than that.

1063
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: We put down three competitors with the exact same format,

1064
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: and they couldn't touch us because we were great.

1065
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 4: Maybe you played better music, I don't know, Maybe you

1066
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 4: play this commercials.

1067
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 5: We don't know.

1068
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: Luck, it was the right personalities at the right time,

1069
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: and that's.

1070
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 4: Not We'll say. Now we're those guys, now.

1071
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: Well one of them you're talking to on the number

1072
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: one station, in town again. Yeah, okay, I'm.

1073
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 4: Just talking about basketball. Let's stick to that. Stay in

1074
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 4: your lane, please, because I'll talk about the transfer portal.

1075
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 4: And the transferport as you know, allows any player to

1076
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 4: find a new school every single offseason. This kid, Chad

1077
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 4: Baker Mazara fifth school at the age of twenty six

1078
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 4: before he left USC last year. How do you like that?

1079
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: Five schools at the age of twenty six. That's ridiculous.

1080
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're a college president, if you're an

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Speaker 4: academic kind of guy in academia, you're embarrass You won't

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01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 4: say anything. You know why? Of course the money is

1083
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 4: coming in.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you doing still playing

1085
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: college basketball at twenty six? Don't we have agemore?

1086
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 4: That's what I'm doing. I'm getting a pay a good

1087
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 4: pay check.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're just bringing My point to the four

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Speaker 1: what I made earlier about this is not at college.

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01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: This is not a student athlete game anymore. It hasn't

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01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: been for quite a while.

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Speaker 4: Court.

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: It's a professional that's right. I said that.

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 4: I agree, right, But I will tell you this much.

1095
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 4: When the University of Cincinnati was the American Athletic Conference DAAC,

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01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 4: and they were their prior to the Big Twelve. They

1097
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 4: dominated that conference. They did well. Most of the games

1098
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 4: are on TV. The stands were packed. It was an

1099
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 4: interest in the program and they and people loved them

1100
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 4: because they won. Now they're in the Big Twelve. They're

1101
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 4: mediocre at best. They're never on television, and if they are,

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 4: it takes me a half a day to find what

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01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 4: station they're on, being TNT true or whatever piece of

1104
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 4: garbage out there, I don't know. All right, right, it's true.

1105
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 4: And now they're happier. Why they're part of the Big Twelve.

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 4: They'll never win the Big Twelve because they can't compete.

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01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 4: And I own money with schools like Kansas, No way,

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01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 4: no how. But the point is that everybody's happy there

1109
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 4: because of the payday they're getting from the exposure and

1110
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 4: the Big Twelve contracts that they get. That's why they're happy.

1111
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 4: So the money drives it, that's it. I would rather

1112
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 4: have the team be a big fish in a little pond,

1113
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 4: that be a doormat, so to speak. In the Big Twelve,

1114
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 4: they're going nowhere. They'll go to the niit in best

1115
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 4: this year, you see, And people don't want that. They

1116
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 4: want to win their they don't care where they win. Hey,

1117
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 4: people in the Mid American Conference of Miami, they don't care.

1118
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 4: They're the Mid American Conference. They're undefeated, they had a

1119
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 4: great year. They had ten thousand plus the other night.

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Speaker 4: They love it.

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: What about it?

1122
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 4: They want winners?

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01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: What about these TV talking heads? Putches like Bruce Pearl,

1124
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: who earlier in the season said Miami as they were

1125
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: winning game after game, didn't belong in the NCAA tournament

1126
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: because they didn't play anybody. And this weekend he's kissing

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01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: his Steel's buds.

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Speaker 4: I'm not too sure. I'm not gonna say Rebata when

1129
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 4: he I don't think he said didn't play anybody. He

1130
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 4: said that they shouldn't be in the tournament, because what

1131
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 4: do you want? Do you want the sixty four best

1132
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 4: teams in the tournament or do you want teams that

1133
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 4: just win their conference tournaments and get in there. So

1134
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Speaker 4: I said, look, Bruce, it's a tournament. It doesn't mean

1135
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 4: the best teams are going to be, you know, not

1136
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 4: necessarily are in there the tournament. That's what a tournament is.

1137
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: Bruce Pearl is a schmuck, you know that.

1138
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 5: He's not.

1139
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 4: Look, he's a great guy.

1140
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: I love the guy because he's Jewish.

1141
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 4: Well, you said, I that's the only reason you love him.

1142
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know he really has there's no reason to

1143
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: love Bruce Parl.

1144
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 4: Well, he's a good guy, Okay, he said his mind.

1145
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 4: You know, he may he may have done that, as

1146
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 4: we've talked in the past, for the click factor, because

1147
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 4: when he said that, that went viral. Everybody went crazy

1148
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 4: when he said that, and all of a sudden, now

1149
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: everybody knows that Bruce Pearl is doing sports on CBS

1150
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 4: Sports whatever it may be. That's why he did it.

1151
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 4: You think he really meant it. You think these guys

1152
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 4: really mean what they say all the time. They if

1153
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 4: he would have meant that, he wouldn't have paid his fine.

1154
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: If Bruce Pearl was a good guy. If Bruce Pearl

1155
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: was a really truly good man, if he was a

1156
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: good guy, how come nobody will touch him with a

1157
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: red hot poker in the coaching business anymore.

1158
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 4: Because he cheated. But Kenny Shields within the Horizon League,

1159
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 4: good guy, the university. He's a cheat. He's cheating everybody.

1160
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 4: He's done. He's been cheating at Auburn. I mean, I

1161
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 4: like the guy. I don't play for him. I don't

1162
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 4: play against him. But he cheats the difference between being

1163
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 4: a schmuck of being a cheater. He's not a shock,

1164
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 4: but he's a cheat.

1165
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: He's a schmuck. He's a cheat, he's a hypocrite, and

1166
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: he's and he's not and he's not and he's not

1167
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: a nudge.

1168
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 4: Okay, here's the deal. I got it. I got to

1169
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 4: ruin this buyer before this is did. Okay, the Atlanta Hawks.

1170
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 4: He announced the special one night the promotion to celebrate

1171
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 4: the city of Atlanta's iconic cultural institution, Magic City, which

1172
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 4: is based a strip joint. Magic City is a script.

1173
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 4: And I checked this out yesterday with my partner on

1174
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio, Bucky Brooks. And Bucky was there. He's

1175
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 4: been there, okay as an athlete. He said, all the

1176
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 4: athletes getting free you show you that the your pro

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 4: athlete Deliity Freezes. The place is an iconic special place

1178
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 4: in Atlanta. And he says, yeah, there are strippers there,

1179
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 4: they are, but the point is this that they should

1180
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 4: be on it. He agrees. Now, there's an NBA player,

1181
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 4: one NBA player place for the San Antonio Spurs, and

1182
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 4: his name is Luke Cornette, and he wrote a big

1183
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 4: editorial for one of the publications saying that the nbation

1184
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 4: desired to protect women that have protected esteam women, many

1185
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 4: of whom work every day to make this the best

1186
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 4: basketball league in the world, and they should cancel this.

1187
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,879
Speaker 4: And he wants to know why Adam Silvera, the commission

1188
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 4: of the National Basketball Association, has not done anything the

1189
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 4: Atlanta Hawks to kill this promotion. I don't know. I mean,

1190
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 4: it's out there. I think it's the grading to women. Really.

1191
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 4: I mean, so for a woman wants to be a stripper,

1192
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 4: that's fine with me, let him do it. But the

1193
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 4: honor of the strip joint, and I've been of a

1194
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 4: been there, but Bucky says it is an iconic institution

1195
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 4: in the city of Atlanta. I don't know. I don't know.

1196
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 1: You tell me when you said magic City, I thought,

1197
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: because everybody in the South knows the magic city is Birmingham, Alabama.

1198
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: Why are the Atlanta Hawks sending people to Birmingham, Alabama.

1199
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: That's because I didn't know.

1200
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 4: Why you been to Magic City to strip joined the.

1201
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: No, I don't go to script joints.

1202
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 4: I just asked you a question. They'll be so guiltful.

1203
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a strip joint ever?

1204
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 4: I did with Bill Cunningham and put it.

1205
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: Off on somebody else. Put it off on somebody else.

1206
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: You wanted to go, you wanted it, you know you did.

1207
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 4: I dragged them, I dreaded them. The idea I believe that, Yeah,

1208
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 4: I just want to EXAMASEAA was.

1209
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: Like, I have no idea and I've not been, and

1210
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1211
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 4: It's not that bad. Listen, it's just women getting on

1212
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 4: dressed people.

1213
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to see. I don't want to see

1214
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 1: a naked woman on a pole unless it's my poll,

1215
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: and then I don't want thirty drunks watching me.

1216
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 7: What.

1217
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 4: I don't know this place magic City, But according to

1218
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 4: Bucket Brooks, and I respect Bucket Brooks, he said it's

1219
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 4: high class. He says they have great chicken wings. They

1220
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: call them pepper wings, that's what they're called over there.

1221
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 4: And the lines to get in there because it is

1222
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 4: one of those iconic institutions in Atlanta. I don't know,

1223
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 4: and that's what he said. And I'm really shocked that

1224
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 4: the Commissioner of the League, Adam Silver, has not said anything,

1225
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 4: because really and truly there are people. There are front

1226
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 4: office people in basketball that have been fired for looking

1227
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 4: at a woman the wrong way, for saying things that

1228
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 4: in HR would say they're unappropriate, and you get fired.

1229
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 4: And MATI honor a strip club for an evening of promotion.

1230
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 4: I don't get I really again, Money probably talks. Maybe

1231
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 4: Magic City is a bit sponsor and they want to

1232
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 4: take care of them. Maybe that's it. I don't know.

1233
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: You know what I want to know, Andy, you were

1234
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: talking about Bucky was talking about the incredible wings they

1235
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: serve at Magis City. I've always wondered, if you're working

1236
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: at a stript bar and you're serving food, how many

1237
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: hairnuts are you legally required to?

1238
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 4: Oh? I told this the Buck. You said, Buck, you

1239
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 4: really and truly you don't have to go to the

1240
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 4: Majesty to get those wings. If you wanted to take

1241
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 4: them out, take them to go, you have to stay,

1242
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 4: just order them to go, take them to that good

1243
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: You have to stay for the performance. This big, these

1244
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 4: his athletes, every NBA team. I don't go there.

1245
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody comes to Magic City in Atlanta

1246
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: for the wings. And I agree.

1247
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 4: I think once you're there, you may order the wings.

1248
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 4: But that's not the driving force I would say.

1249
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: I would say most of them are are breast and

1250
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: thigh men.

1251
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 4: There you go, there you go, all.

1252
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: Right for a ball. Thanks for your time again, and

1253
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The radio station analogy was a great analogy

1254
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: for what I was talking about.

1255
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 4: With your public? Are skip followers?

1256
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 5: Ask you?

1257
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 4: Twelve followers?

1258
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: Twelve followers? What am I like? Jesus?

1259
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 4: Now you know what, though, I'll make you a wager.

1260
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 4: We had a wager once before for lunch and something

1261
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 4: I don't know I who won that being never told

1262
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 4: me I wage you lunch that you don't get more

1263
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 4: than twelve responses about the analogy that you gave today

1264
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 4: and throw it out there if they want to leave

1265
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 4: a message on your phone or social media, whatever it

1266
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 4: may be, you won't get more than twelve. How's that?

1267
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 4: How's that? All right?

1268
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 7: Oh?

1269
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 4: Lunch?

1270
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: Okay?

1271
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 4: Whatever, it's fine, all right, we'll find out next week.

1272
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: Oh right, at least you know, at least you're not

1273
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: Bruce Pearl. Okay, Oh goodbye, bye bye. The furball on

1274
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: the nightcap on seven hundred WLW on a Tuesday night

1275
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, thinking about two hundred and fifty

1276
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: years ago, thinking about the Declaration of Independence and what

1277
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: it said, and what the founder's intention was when it

1278
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: was written and that they signed, and how that led

1279
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: to our beloved US Constitution, which that's our country apart

1280
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: from a lot of other countries who may have a

1281
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: constitution but they don't adhere to it. We're we're supposed to.

1282
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,959
Speaker 1: And it's time to remind people what that means adhering

1283
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: to the Constitution and understanding what they meant when they

1284
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: said endowed endowed by our Creator in the Declaration, to

1285
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: kind of recap that political scientist John G. West who

1286
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: has written a book called Endowed by Our Creator, and

1287
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: to further expound upon this and what's important for all

1288
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: Americans to understand and to maybe relearn. John Good Evening,

1289
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Kerry.

1290
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.

1291
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 4: You bet.

1292
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: So, let's start at the beginning, which is the Declaration

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Speaker 1: of Independence. We're going to be celebrating our country's two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth birthday come July, and the celebrations are

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Speaker 1: already the fuses of already been lit in many ways. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So why is the declaration so crucial to the country

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Speaker 1: in which we live? And how it sets us apart.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we so much take it for granted.

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Speaker 6: I think sometimes it takes someone from outside the United

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Speaker 6: States to see how special it is. And then the

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Speaker 6: early part of the twentieth century, a great English writer GK.

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Speaker 6: Chesterton visited America and then he wrote an essay and

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Speaker 6: a book about well what did he find in America?

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Speaker 6: And he said something very profound, which is that he

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Speaker 6: claimed in America is the only nation in the world

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Speaker 6: based and founded on a creed, which he thought was

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Speaker 6: a declaration of independence. And what he was getting at.

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Speaker 6: For most of human history, if you're part of a nation,

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Speaker 6: it's just because well you're part of a certain ethnic

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Speaker 6: group or even part of a religious group. And we

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Speaker 6: certainly do have some of those ties in America. But

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Speaker 6: Chester was saying, you know, there's some especially Latin Americas,

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Speaker 6: because they established this basic set of beliefs that on

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Speaker 6: which they founded their government, and they expressed it to

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Speaker 6: the world, and that that's what made people Americans who

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Speaker 6: you know, embraced that, even if they may not come

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Speaker 6: from the UK, for example. And he thought that was

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Speaker 6: really startling, and he thought that was really something to

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Speaker 6: be you know, looked up to. And I think again,

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Speaker 6: we were so used to that we have the Declaration,

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Speaker 6: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and that that is

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Speaker 6: so foundational to who we are. But that's not the

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Speaker 6: way most nations are. You know, if you're in Traditionally,

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Speaker 6: if you're in Japan, it's because you've been boring your

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Speaker 6: ancestors in Japan, and that's all there is to it.

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Speaker 6: Whereas in America, well, many of us come from you know,

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Speaker 6: one part of me actually comes from Purity to New

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Speaker 6: England back in the sixteen hundred. Another part comes one

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Speaker 6: hundred years ago from Ukraine with my other grandparents. And

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Speaker 6: but I'm still an American even though I have both

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Speaker 6: of that. And so I think that's why it's so

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Speaker 6: important this year up the Tunity fifty University to really

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Speaker 6: be clear, well, what is that? What are those beliefs

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Speaker 6: that as Americans we're supposed to believe because our whole

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Speaker 6: system is based on it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it kind of just your story alone kind

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Speaker 1: of puts a pin in the balloon that's floated that

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Speaker 1: says this is an intrinsically racist country and a closed,

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Speaker 1: you know, classes place. When you're right in Japan, oh,

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Speaker 1: gosh and communist China. If you're not from a certain clan,

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Speaker 1: I think it's the Hans, the Hans family of Chinese.

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Speaker 1: You're lower than low. You don't have any option or

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Speaker 1: opportun tunity to reach beyond your means to get somewhere

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Speaker 1: else in those countries, and they're very very cloistered. You know,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the gentleman from England, Chesterton, you know, the

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Speaker 1: frenchman de Tokeville saw if if I'm not mispronouncing that,

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Speaker 1: he saw he saw the America the same way as

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Speaker 1: a very very special place, and he marveled because it

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Speaker 1: was so much different than what he'd experienced in France.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean it's very interesting, and maybe we'll get

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Speaker 6: into you comparing why the French Revolution turned out so badly. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: the American Revolution did. Because most revolutions in history, even

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Speaker 6: in our you know, the laste hundred years, think about

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Speaker 6: the Russian Revolution, the Chinese Revolution, the Iranian.

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Speaker 1: Revolution, the Iranian Revolution, exactly perfect examples of the time.

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Speaker 6: Yep, those did not turn out well. And so why

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Speaker 6: is America so different? And I think it goes back

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Speaker 6: to some of our founding beliefs being actually true beliefs.

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Speaker 6: And when you're founded on truth, you're more likely to

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Speaker 6: have a better turnout.

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Speaker 1: I think. Well, and we got that all men are

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Speaker 1: created equal thing out of the way with heart with

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Speaker 1: our Civil War, after we'd had an American Revolution, you know,

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Speaker 1: flashed forward about sixty years or so, seventy years, and

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Speaker 1: that had to be ironed out because that was part

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Speaker 1: of our creed all men. We believe that all men

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Speaker 1: are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights. Yep,

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Speaker 1: and so says the Declaration. So we we finally lived

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Speaker 1: up to that creed as a country, but it took

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Speaker 1: another revolution inside to do it right.

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Speaker 6: Sure, although it's interesting that, you know, the American Revolution

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Speaker 6: helped place us on that road because even within the

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Speaker 6: first decade after the Revolution, many American states actually abolished slavery.

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Speaker 6: Some in the South tried and failed. But it's because

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Speaker 6: even early on in seventeen seventy six, they actually realized

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Speaker 6: that these fundamental principles, especially all men are created equal.

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Speaker 6: Doesn't mean we're equal in everything, that's not what the

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Speaker 6: founders are saying, but in our fundamental rights, that we're

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Speaker 6: human beings. There were not dogs, there are no humans.

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Speaker 6: They're so superior to any other humans that they could

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Speaker 6: rule despotically over each other. And there are no humans

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Speaker 6: who are so low that they're like I mean talk

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Speaker 6: about in places historically like India, where you're born into

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Speaker 6: a caste system. Americans rejected that all men are created

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Speaker 6: equal and then endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.

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Speaker 6: And that set us on the trajectory to abolished slavery

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Speaker 6: based on that principle. And it's amazing even that phrase.

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Speaker 6: I studied this in the book all Men are Created Equal.

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Speaker 6: We take it for granted. That phase has now appeared

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Speaker 6: over three hundred thousand times in American newspapers and media outlets,

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Speaker 6: according to the databases I consulted, so that that has

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Speaker 6: been a you know, ringing cry. And it's so different

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Speaker 6: from most cultures in most of human history. And then

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Speaker 6: even though and I did that our rights come from God,

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Speaker 6: which means that they don't come from government. That this

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Speaker 6: is a big distinction between the other revolutions, say like

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Speaker 6: the French Revolution, Well, your rights came from the general

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Speaker 6: will of the majority of the people and and and

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Speaker 6: basically the elites. And then if they want to take

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Speaker 6: him away, they can because they're not really your fundamental rights.

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Speaker 6: But if your rights come from God, not from government,

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Speaker 6: no one can rightfully take away your right to your

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Speaker 6: innocent life or your right to you know, the use

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Speaker 6: of your liberty for for lawful purposes. But and so

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Speaker 6: that that also people take it so much for granted

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Speaker 6: that our rights are fundamental. But you know, uh, we

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Speaker 6: did a survey of two thousand Americans in conjunction with

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Speaker 6: this book that I just wrote, and it's kind of

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Speaker 6: concerning because when you ask Americans today, as we did,

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Speaker 6: well where do our rights come from? Only about thirty

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Speaker 6: eight percent, so less than four and ten Americans say

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Speaker 6: our rights come from God. Most now say it comes

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Speaker 6: from government or other people or tradition. And of course,

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Speaker 6: well that means I guess people don't realize if you

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Speaker 6: say that our rights don't come from God or for

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Speaker 6: some of the fundamental then taken away, they're not really

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Speaker 6: your rights.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I know, I get that, and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you that, particularly during the COVID which I called the scamdemic,

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Speaker 1: the government actively tried in many cases and did in

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Speaker 1: many cases take away people's rights to assemble, to go

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Speaker 1: to worship as they chose to worship and all these

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Speaker 1: and to travel freely around the country. These lockdowns were

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Speaker 1: so anti American from the very beginning. John that and

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Speaker 1: I was one of the lone voices saying so in

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Speaker 1: April of twenty twenty after it had just begune because

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Speaker 1: I knew what it meant, and because I knew that

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Speaker 1: my rights, your rights, everyone's rights come from God and

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Speaker 1: not the government. So well, they got no, they got

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Speaker 1: no right to take my rights away. They're supposed to,

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Speaker 1: according to what I understand, the government is supposed to

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Speaker 1: ensure that my God given rights are not infringed upon.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct on that that's their job.

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Speaker 6: You're right. And COVID, which I have a section covering on,

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Speaker 6: there's something else really important about how COVID the policies

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Speaker 6: went against really what the founders were talking about.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 6: The decoration goes on to say that because we're equal

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Speaker 6: in our rights, and that basically legitimate governments, just governments,

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Speaker 6: have to be based on the consent of the governed.

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Speaker 6: So not we're a republic, but the republic is of

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Speaker 6: a life officials who are ultimately accountable to the people. Well,

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Speaker 6: a new view of government. I talked about this in

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Speaker 6: the book. So my book is partly about the family,

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Speaker 6: it's partly about what happened afterwards, where people claimed, misusing

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Speaker 6: science in the name of science, that no, we're not equal,

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Speaker 6: and so we should be ruled by elite experts that

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Speaker 6: are unaccountable to us. And that view came up in

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Speaker 6: the nineteenth century and especially during the progressive era in

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Speaker 6: the early nineteen hundreds, that we should be ruled by

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Speaker 6: elites who know better than us and who are not

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Speaker 6: accountable to us. And you saw that is the story

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Speaker 6: of COVID because a lot of those things that you're

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Speaker 6: talking about about, the lockdowns, about the most onerous things,

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Speaker 6: were not even dictated by legislative assemblies. They were dictated

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Speaker 6: by health experts who were basically deferred to by elected officials,

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Speaker 6: and or by long term emergency orders I mean that

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Speaker 6: lasted years. I mean I think California's state of emergency

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Speaker 6: declared by the government that lasted two or three years

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Speaker 6: before he took it off. So they weren't they weren't

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Speaker 6: actually accountable to the people. And that flies in the

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Speaker 6: face of the founder's fundamental belief that you need to

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Speaker 6: have the consent of the governed and I think, and

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Speaker 6: I write about this at length in the book Documenting

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Speaker 6: that actually the good thing about COVID and all those

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Speaker 6: bad things that happened there is I think it was

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Speaker 6: a wake up call of showing just how why the

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Speaker 6: founders were so right to think that there are no

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Speaker 6: human beings who are so superior in their expertise that

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Speaker 6: they should just be handled a blank check. We if

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Speaker 6: we didn't learn that from COVID, I don't know how

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Speaker 6: we can learn something from anything. It's just that you

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Speaker 6: could just go back to what the experts were saying, was,

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Speaker 6: you know, from the lab leak theory that didn't you

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Speaker 6: know was supposed to be conspiracy to the the masking

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Speaker 6: and other stuff that was just it was not based

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Speaker 6: on good science, and it wasn't based usually legislatures were

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Speaker 6: not enacting these things. These were being enacted apart from

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Speaker 6: the consent of the governed.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and just like edicts. I live in Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: right across the river from Ohio, and Ohio, like every

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Speaker 1: other state, had its problems dealing with this this you know,

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Speaker 1: human manufactured common cold that swept the world. But in Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: I started calling the governor Andy Basheer the boy dictator,

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Speaker 1: because he acted like one, and you know, was taking

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Speaker 1: down people's license plates if they showed up at a

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Speaker 1: church service, and you know, banning travel out of the state,

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Speaker 1: and trying to my wife and I in our civil disobedience.

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Speaker 1: During these times when we weren't supposed to travel, we

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Speaker 1: drove all over creation, I mean to through state lines

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Speaker 1: everything else, just to say, you know what, we're free.

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Speaker 1: We're still free no matter what these bureaucrats and this

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Speaker 1: dictatorial government is telling us. The book again Endowed by

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Speaker 1: our Creator, the Bible, Science and the Battle for America's Soul.

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Speaker 1: The author John G. West is with us. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the science and the science of the day

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Speaker 1: that the founders drew on to make one of the

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Speaker 1: Declaration's biggest claims. Talk about that just for a moment.

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Speaker 6: If you don't, yeah, now, this is amazing. Most people

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Speaker 6: don't realize that today. So the Declaration basically is based

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Speaker 6: on the idea that we have a creator, so we

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Speaker 6: didn't create ourselves. Therefore, our rights and fundamental capacities come

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Speaker 6: from God, so can't be taken away by rightfully from

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01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 6: other human beings. So the idea that we are created

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01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 6: and created equal. That there's a creator is foundational to

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01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 6: the entire declaration and what the Founders belief. Now today

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01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 6: a lot of people think, oh, whether you believe there's

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01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 6: a creator or not, that's sort of a subjective belief.

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01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,799
Speaker 6: Is this your personal belief. That's not what the Founders believed.

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Speaker 6: In fact, and they were writing and they actually cited

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01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 6: some of the I didn't even when we started the book.

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Speaker 6: I didn't even know that they were so explicit in this.

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Speaker 6: But in most of Western civilization the last two thousand years,

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Speaker 6: people have pointed to the regularities of nature, you know,

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Speaker 6: basically the complicated things in nature that work together for

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01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 6: a purpose. And so that is objective evidence that this

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01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 6: world did not create itself, were you know, not just

1518
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 6: an atheist world or chance of necessity, that that it

1519
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 6: actually points to a creator. And this was a view

1520
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 6: of pre Christians like Roman, Cicero and Aristotle, and then

1521
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,879
Speaker 6: the Christian world view certainly talked about that in the Bible,

1522
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 6: that the heaven declared the glory of God, and then

1523
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 6: early modern scientists Newton, Boyle, Kepler all thought that nature

1524
01:27:54,800 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 6: pointed objectively to a creator. And America's founders from Ben

1525
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 6: Franklin to Thomas Jefferson to Reverend John Witherspoon all have

1526
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 6: the same idea, and in their writings they actually point

1527
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 6: out that nature gives evidence that there is an actual creator.

1528
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 6: So they didn't think that this was just some subjective

1529
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 6: belief that with Willy Nilly that you know, some people

1530
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 6: believed they or did They actually thought that nature pointed

1531
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 6: to a creator. That it was an objective fact in

1532
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 6: their view, and that, you know, was the underlying, you know,

1533
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 6: thing behind their belief that we were ultimately dependent on

1534
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 6: the creator and our rights come from the Creator, not

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Speaker 6: from us.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the latest findings of science, you claim, are

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01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: pointing back to the key truths proclaimed by that, yeah,

1538
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: that same declaration. The more we learn, the more it's

1539
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: it's coming back to the origins of what the founders

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01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 1: were thinking and what they believed.

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Speaker 6: It's amazing if you just look over the last one

1542
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 6: hundred years to fifty years. You know, one hundred years ago,

1543
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 6: most scientists thought, oh, the universe is eternal, you don't

1544
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 6: need a creator. But now they've understood that actually the

1545
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 6: evidence shows that there was a beginning to time, energy,

1546
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 6: and matter. Well, and because there was a beginning to

1547
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 6: time energy matter. That beginning the thing the cause that

1548
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,600
Speaker 6: have to be outside of time energy matter at that

1549
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 6: points to a creator. They found out that the laws

1550
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 6: of physics are so carefully fine tuned to allow life

1551
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 6: to exist that if it was even slightly different, you know,

1552
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 6: nothing could exist. That exquisite fine tuning points to a creator.

1553
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 6: And then finally, just inside each of us, as we

1554
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 6: finally understood the genetic code and the epigenetics, is that

1555
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 6: there are codes within codes with us that are there

1556
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 6: actually are are are analogous to language systems. These are

1557
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 6: meaningful instructions in US and code, and I think most

1558
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 6: people understand requires a coder. And so I think that

1559
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 6: the evidence really is pointing back to a creator so

1560
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 6: much that some people are talking about there was a

1561
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 6: actually a British guy, Justin Briley, who wrote a book

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01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 6: called The Surprising Rebirth and Belief in God, because this

1563
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 6: old canard from the nineteen nineties and early two thousands

1564
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 6: of the New Atheist that somehow science proves, this proves God.

1565
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 6: That's just that's falling flat. It's in fact exact opposite

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Speaker 6: John today.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, I'm sorry our time's up and I wish

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Speaker 1: we had more. The book is endowed by our creator.

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Speaker 1: The writer is John West. John G. West, and thanks

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01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot for your time. Good luck with the book too,

1571
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: because I think it's it's it's invaluable for an American

1572
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: like you or me, or anybody who's an American to

1573
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: understand what the Declaration means here in our two hundred

1574
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Speaker 1: and fiftieth year. The nightcap Raps, Thank you, Oh, thank you.

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