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Speaker 1: Fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports. All Right, there you go, it's

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Speaker 1: six after three. This is ESPN fifteen thirty on mo Edgar.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Hopefully having an awesome Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: We are because we have Andrew Abbott and Emelio Pagan

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Speaker 1: in studio to start the show, getting set for Reds Fest,

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Speaker 1: which runs tomorrow and Saturday at the Cincinnati Convention Center.

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Speaker 1: Two of the faces of the twenty twenty five and

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Reds two of the faces of redsvest

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Speaker 1: and a Emilio's case. Sitting in the exact same chair

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Speaker 1: he was in last year. And look what he did

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Speaker 1: last season. Thirty two Saves had a great year. Andrew

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Speaker 1: Witherson studio. Gentlemen, it's awesome to have you guys.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing, Yeah, doing great, Thanks for having

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Speaker 2: us on, Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: The All Star Andrew Abbot, Let's look back before we

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Speaker 1: look look ahead, and I'll start with you, Andrew. You

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Speaker 1: have an all Star season. But I was I was

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Speaker 1: talking with TJ. Friedel yesterday about you know, those games

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Speaker 1: in September, and there were so many of them were

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Speaker 1: game in San Diego where you guys win two to one,

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Speaker 1: were a bunch of just awesome pitching performances down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: So reflect on what it was like to play in

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Speaker 1: all those high leverage games and then have the payoff

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the San Diego game, it was after a rough

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Speaker 3: stretch for me, two or three bad starts back to

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Speaker 3: to myself earn that kind of you know, respect again.

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Speaker 3: But you know, with these guys backing up the whole time,

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Speaker 3: team's playing well, So just going out and doing your

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Speaker 3: those games down the road, I mean it was a

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Speaker 3: been in the situation, like just keep playing, keep doing

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Speaker 3: what we've been doing all year, and you know, things

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Speaker 3: started to click. We won the games we needed to win.

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Speaker 3: And there we were in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: A lot of high leverage outs for you last year, Emilio,

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Speaker 1: both in September and then across the course of the season.

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Speaker 1: And I remember you sitting with me here last year

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Speaker 1: and you talked about like having something to prove twenty

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Speaker 1: in that regard, mission accomplished.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean kind of. I mean yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I individually, I had a pretty good year. We made

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Speaker 2: you know, that's what we're in this industry for is

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Speaker 2: to is to win at trophies, and you know, you

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. So you know, I was happy to put

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Speaker 2: you know, like I told you last year, I felt

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four by not being out there as

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Speaker 2: putting a better foot forward for me and and and

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Speaker 1: And for what it's worth, Reads made it official today

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Speaker 1: what had been reported over the week, and Pierce Johnson

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Speaker 1: it feels like going into spring training, we know what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it can in theory, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Andrew an All Star season right and coming into the

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Speaker 1: a chance to go to and pitch in the All

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Speaker 3: That's a dream come true for me personally, you know,

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Speaker 3: being able to represent the team, my teammates, being able

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Speaker 3: know what dreams are made of. Like I said, it's

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm a product of everybody around me. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about the defense, then they go and

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Speaker 3: I mean, ep, he can speak about it too. But

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Speaker 1: Neilio. Last year we talked about you kind of wanting

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest difference between our team now compared

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Speaker 2: We believe like we're one of the better teams in

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Speaker 2: And so now that our guys who hadn't experience that

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Speaker 1: Similar sort of answer from you, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is asked about the Tito effect, and from a

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Speaker 2: To me, it's how calm me stays. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know, having Tito around where he's

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Speaker 1: Felt like Andrew that that was the strength of this team.

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Speaker 1: We kept calling you guys cockroaches, right because it was.

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Speaker 1: There were so many games last year that didn't go

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Speaker 1: You know, we may have blown a game, may have

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Speaker 1: A complete game. Last year, right which is you know,

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Speaker 1: Was it ever up in the air with Cincinnati always?

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Speaker 2: organization and this fan base.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 2: It's always fun. You know, I've been a free agent

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Speaker 2: now twice, and both times I had a good time

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Speaker 2: and enjoyed the experience. But for me, at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, I knew this is where I wanted

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Speaker 2: to be and I'm glad we were able to get

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Speaker 2: it done.

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Speaker 1: Awesome to have you back. Congratulations on an All Star season, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on a great year.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. If you get back, if you get

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Speaker 1: to the All Star Game together, that'd be that. I'll

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Speaker 1: take credit for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that cool.

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Speaker 1: Side of work. Red's fast, this is happening this weekend tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: starting at three o'clock and on Saturday at the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Convention Center. Emelio and Andrew will both be there among

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Speaker 1: more than eighty current and former Reds players, coaches, and broadcasters.

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Speaker 1: your tickets. It's an awesome event. I love it in

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Speaker 1: January because Redsfest we turn the page. You guys will

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Speaker 1: be in good year. It'll start to get warm here

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Speaker 1: sometime soon, and opening day will be here before you

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Speaker 1: know it. I can't wait. I know you guys are

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Speaker 1: excited as well. Absolutely Yeah. Emilio Pagan and Andrew Abbott

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Speaker 1: joining us in studio. Gentlemen, thanks so much. It's twenty

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Speaker 1: five after three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Sports Team. All right, all right, all right, it's twenty

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Speaker 1: nine after three. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: That was a good time. Now I'll pull back the

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Speaker 1: curtain just a little bit. As you probably know, Andrew

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Speaker 1: and Emilio are on a bit of a media tour

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Speaker 1: and we swapped swapped, uh we sapped swapped time slots

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Speaker 1: with another show in this building and so we thought

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Speaker 1: we were having them at three thirty. But that was good, Taran,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do this. Let's let's make excuse me, an

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Speaker 1: adjustment on the fly. So I had talked to Chad

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Speaker 1: Brendle last night. Chad Bearcat Journal dot Com typically joins

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Speaker 1: us at three forty five on Thursdays. Today's Thursday. We

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Speaker 1: were gonna have those guys in studio, and so I said, Chad, hey,

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Speaker 1: can we do four to twenty. But since we already

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Speaker 1: had those guys, can we move Chad to his normal time?

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Speaker 1: You think Chad will do that for us? I think

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Speaker 1: he can make that happen. I mean, it's less than

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours ago he thought he was gonna be

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Speaker 1: onto three forty five. I cannot imagine he has filled

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Speaker 1: that time slot with something much much more important. So

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Speaker 1: we'll do that at three forty five and talk about

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Speaker 1: last night's Bearcat's victory. We've got some college hoops to

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Speaker 1: get to. Between Kentucky's miracle finish, Xavier running Butler out

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Speaker 1: of the building, and the bear Cat playing well enough

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Speaker 1: to win a big twelve game, we've got to do

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Speaker 1: something that I it's gonna be me admitting that we

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Speaker 1: try to figure out the best way to put this.

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Speaker 1: We need to talk about the tweet about fans wearing

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Speaker 1: bags at the game last night. I'll just I'll try

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Speaker 1: to put that in the least clumsy way possible. There

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Speaker 1: is a lot of ground to cover. We have a

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Speaker 1: point shaving scandal in college basketball and all the silly

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Speaker 1: takes that will come with that. We've got some Bengal

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Speaker 1: stuff to get to as well. There's lots of ground

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Speaker 1: to cover. Between now and six o'clock. Sports headlines are next.

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Speaker 1: We have a new offensive coordinator at uc CO offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator at U See as well, So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station twenty four from

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Speaker 1: five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Molegger. Very briefly,

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Speaker 1: very briefly. Sports headlines are a service of Kelsey Chevrolet,

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Speaker 1: Home of lifetime power train protection and guaranteed credit approval

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Speaker 1: from their family to you for life. I'm reading this

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Speaker 1: on Bearcat journal dot com. Brad Glenn not gonna have

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Speaker 1: his contract renewed to be the Cincinnati offensive coordinator. He

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Speaker 1: has been in that role for the last three seasons.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks coach Pete Thomas an offensive line coach Nick Cardwell

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Speaker 1: will be promoted to co offensive coordinators. This obviously means

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Speaker 1: the Bearcats will have new defensive end offensive coordinators in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. More on that. In addition to the

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Speaker 1: hoops with our guy Chad Brendle here in just a

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Speaker 1: few minutes, and we are looking forward to that. What

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Speaker 1: else do we have? It is a very very light

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Speaker 1: day in terms of local sports headlines. We have NKU

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Speaker 1: basketball tonight as the Norse host Detroit Mercy. Seven o'clock

516
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Speaker 1: is a tip off, NKU hosting the first of back

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Speaker 1: to back games. The Reds made official what was reported

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Speaker 1: over the weekend that Pierce Johnson has agreed to a

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Speaker 1: one year contract to help roun doubt the bullpen. He's

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Speaker 1: got a mutual option from twenty twenty seven. Had an

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Speaker 1: ERA of three point zero five across sixty five appearances

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Speaker 1: with the Atlanta Braves last season, and I believe that's it.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's I do not think I'm missing anything.

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Speaker 1: If you missed anything on this show, we just had

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Speaker 1: Emilio Pagan and Andrew Abbotten studio, which was a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. If you missed TJ. Friedel yesterday, or if

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Speaker 1: you miss anything on this show, you could go get

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Speaker 1: it listen to it anytime you want, anywhere you want

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, or go to my page at

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty dot com. Podcasts of this show are

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Speaker 1: a service of Long Neck Sports Grill. A great place

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Speaker 1: A great place to watch a favorite college basketball team,

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Speaker 1: minutes away from four o'clock to college basketball last night,

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Speaker 1: and there's a story today about a widespread college basketball

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Speaker 1: point shaving scandal, no local schools involved, and we are

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Speaker 1: gonna touch on it. College basketball's got issues. I think

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Speaker 1: this is more of a college basketball issue, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: than it is a legalized gambling issue. College basketball has

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Speaker 1: all sorts of issues when it comes to the portal

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Speaker 1: and nil and the fan discontent with, you know, not

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Speaker 1: having a connection to the players because the players don't

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Speaker 1: stay very long. But the on court action is so good.

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Speaker 1: Last night was an awesome night of college hoops. And

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Speaker 1: locally you had Kentucky's staving off disaster with the Malachai

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Speaker 1: Moreno Christian Latner esque shot to beat LSU after the

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Speaker 1: Wildcats trailed by as many as eighteen points in Baton Rouge.

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Speaker 1: The difference between eleven and six and ten and seven

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Speaker 1: for the Wildcats pretty stark. You had Xavier just running

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Speaker 1: Butler out of the building and we talked about this

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Speaker 1: with Rick Browing yesterday. Also a conversation that you can

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Speaker 1: find on the iHeartRadio app. Xavier's chances of making the

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Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament as an at large are very, very, very small,

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Speaker 1: and I'm probably under selling how small those chances are,

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Speaker 1: but I do think there's something in achieving a respectable

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Speaker 1: final placement in the Big East, if you will. It

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Speaker 1: feels like there's one super team in the Big East,

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Speaker 1: three or four pretty good ones, and then this large

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Speaker 1: middle or large bottom of teams that want to ascend

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Speaker 1: to the middle. Xavier's next game is against Creighton, who

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Speaker 1: kicked the hell out of him at the centas setter

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Speaker 1: by forty one. They still have their two games against

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Speaker 1: Saint John's, including one in nine days at the Centa Center.

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Speaker 1: They have to go to Seat In Hall. Pirates are

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Speaker 1: pretty good this year. They host to Paul de Paul's,

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Speaker 1: beating them once this season. They still have to go

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Speaker 1: to Yukon. You gotta win your home games. You gotta

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Speaker 1: win your home games that are fifty to fifty games. Xaviers,

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Speaker 1: whatever issues that team may have from a talent perspective,

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Speaker 1: when they're in the open court and running the way

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Speaker 1: they did last night, they're fun to watch. They were

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Speaker 1: fun to watch last night. Then there are the Bearcats,

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Speaker 1: who are gonna talk about with Chad Brandle next on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty. All right, fourteen from four. This is

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Malwager. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the start of the show has been hectic.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the show all week long has been hectic.

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Speaker 1: But you know what got a little bounce of my step.

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Speaker 1: You see one last night Bearcats played like a really

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Speaker 1: good thirty minutes, thirty two minutes maybe against Colorado last night,

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Speaker 1: picking up their first big twelve win. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was awesome that as the game went on, the focus

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Speaker 1: became what was happening on the floor. Chad Brendle Bearcat

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Speaker 1: Journal dot Com has all that covered and the new

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator situation that you see covered as well. And

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Speaker 1: even though we've sort of bounced around when we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Chad on today, he's with us. Now, Hi, Chad, Hi, Mo?

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Speaker 5: How's it going.

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Speaker 1: The Bearcats won a game last.

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Speaker 6: Night, So I don't know if this had anything to

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Speaker 6: do with it, but I slept so well last night

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Speaker 6: after that win. Yeah that I slept straight through my alarm,

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Speaker 6: woke up at nine thirty and my daughter was two

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Speaker 6: hours late this morning. That really happened.

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Speaker 1: Father of the year as far as I'm concerned. See,

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Speaker 1: I would have once it got to nine thirty, I

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Speaker 1: would have said, you know, what day off for everybody?

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Speaker 1: But that's just me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Probably, But I woke up No, I mean I

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Speaker 6: wake up at six point thirty every morning. I woke

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Speaker 6: up and it was daylight and I was like, uh, oh,

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Speaker 6: this is bad.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 1: Well do you do you think Wes Miller slept any

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Speaker 1: better last night?

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Speaker 6: I hope so, I hope so it's been looked. It

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Speaker 6: would be one thing if I know it's been brutal.

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Speaker 6: I know things have not been good. I imagine it's

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Speaker 6: even worse losing three Big Twelve, your first three Big

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Speaker 6: Twelve games, five grand total of what ten points? Like,

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Speaker 6: I imagine that's even more unsettling than if you got

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Speaker 6: blown out every game, especially the way they've lost the

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Speaker 6: three games that they lost, so being able to hang on. Look,

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Speaker 6: it got to five and then Dade Thomas goes on

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Speaker 6: that that you know, makes the three in a layup Favelah,

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Speaker 6: Miller scores. It's back to twelve. You think, all right,

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Speaker 6: they stem the tide. It's gonna be all right. You

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Speaker 6: blink aight, o't run Colorado. It's back to four. Oh

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Speaker 6: my god, they're gonna lose this game. Like they're really

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Speaker 6: gonna lose this game. And tudos to the Bearcats for

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Speaker 6: making free throws down the stretch and getting across the

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Speaker 6: finish line. And also, I don't know if you watched

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Speaker 6: it last night or not, I kind of loved Tad

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Speaker 6: Boyle his postgame press conference was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Really, I did not pay attention to Tad Boyle. I

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Speaker 1: know their radio broadcast was still going on when everybody

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Speaker 1: else in the arena had left.

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Speaker 6: He legitimately had. He looked at the statute he was

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Speaker 6: talking about the first half because I was asking him

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Speaker 6: about Cincinnati cutting up his own defense, and he looked

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Speaker 6: at me and he said, they shot fifty seven percent

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Speaker 6: in the first half. When's the last time this Cincinnati

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Speaker 6: team shot fifty to seven percent?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 6: That doesn't happen a whole lot, does it. I was like, no,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't. It was great. Go watch it tonight. It's

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Speaker 6: really I mean, he called his team soft like three times.

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Speaker 6: He said that Cincinnati's offense isn't good, but seeing Colorado

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Speaker 6: on the schedule is what ails you. It was all

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Speaker 6: the things we want coaches to sound like in a

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Speaker 6: post game. That was Tad Boyle last night.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks have looked at these

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Speaker 1: next two games not just as automatic losses, but games

651
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Speaker 1: in which they won't even compete. Is that unfair?

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's not unfair. I watched Iowa State and

653
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 6: get their doors blown off Tuesday night. That's not great. Now,

654
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Speaker 6: I will say, if you look at last year, they

655
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 6: had a really good team, they kind of lost games

656
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 6: in like bunches, you know, lost two or three in

657
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Speaker 6: a row, lost three and four. So we'll see if

658
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 6: maybe this is that point in the season where Iowa

659
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 6: State kind of self corrects and has a little blip

660
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Speaker 6: and then gets back on track. But they're so good.

661
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Speaker 6: I mean, go look at what they did to Purdue

662
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 6: in Macki Arena, right, Like, that is an outstanding basketball team.

663
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Speaker 6: And then who's been more consistent than Arizona this year?

664
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Speaker 6: And I think Michigan's been the better team, but Arizona

665
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 6: just consistently their guard play, they're bigs that they've got

666
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 6: an elite forward and Coopete like just match up alone

667
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 6: is not pretty for this Bearcats team. Those both of

668
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 6: those teams have outstanding guards. And I think that's where,

669
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Speaker 6: you know, when we do the post mortem on the

670
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 6: West Miller tenure, I think the lead the lead paragraph

671
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 6: is the guards just weren't good enough.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the West Miller tenure. Is it salvagable?

673
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Speaker 6: Can they make the NCAA Tournament.

674
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Speaker 1: At nine and eight?

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Speaker 6: I think that's right. I don't think so, Like I

676
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 6: just I want to see it be saligible. But I mean,

677
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 6: you've got Iowa State, You've got Arizona, You've got Houston,

678
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 6: You've got BYU, You've got Texas Tech, you've got Kansas.

679
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 6: Like there's not the math doesn't math on. I mean

680
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 6: what we're we're four games, then there's fourteen left. They

681
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 6: probably need to go ten and four, so win all

682
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 6: the toss up games and then knock off a couple

683
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 6: of the top twenty teams that are in the conference.

684
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Speaker 6: It just it feels pretty far out of reach, unfortunately.

685
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Speaker 1: I think the one observation that people have made really

686
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Speaker 1: coming out of the UCF game, where they were again

687
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: in a position to win, is that these are a

688
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: collection of players worth not bailing on. That's been part

689
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: of Wes's message, right it's us against the world. My

690
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: guys aren't quitting. I'm not going to quit on them.

691
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing them. I think for a lot of us,

692
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Speaker 1: I looked at last night and said, if the losing continues,

693
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Speaker 1: you kind of wonder, like, especially in this day and age,

694
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Speaker 1: where dudes are going to start to have other opportunities, right, Like,

695
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Speaker 1: if the losing continues, does it become problematic and you

696
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: start to go, Okay, you know, maybe not everybody is

697
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: going to be as nearly all in as they should

698
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: or as you want them to be. You're around these

699
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: guys and you know them will How legitimate or illegitimate

700
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Speaker 1: is that concern?

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Speaker 6: It's Scotlake not to be fair, it's the transfer portal era.

702
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 6: I don't know as well as I used to, right Sure,

703
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 6: Like you know, I started watching Troy Kopain when he

704
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 6: was fifteen sixteen years old.

705
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: Sure, but you know him when he.

706
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 6: Was like a freshman in high school. Yes, yet, Yes,

707
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying it's like it's a different era in

708
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 6: terms of having a sense for that type of thing.

709
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Speaker 6: You know what, Like Tyler McKinley, I guarantee you Tyler

710
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 6: McKinley's wanted to be a bearcat his whole life. I've

711
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 6: never seen Tyler McKinley's effort dipping. But I mean this one,

712
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 6: if this thing gets to you know, one in eight

713
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 6: in conference play, then how much buying really is there? Like,

714
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Speaker 6: because these guys don't have a lot of the point

715
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Speaker 6: I was getting at MO. These guys don't have a

716
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 6: lot of skin in the game that you see they're

717
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 6: here now. I think this team likes each other. I

718
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 6: think they are playing hard, fighting, you know, putting out

719
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Speaker 6: the the best effort that they're capable of displaying.

720
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Speaker 4: But what is that?

721
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Speaker 6: What is that breaking point? You get to January one

722
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Speaker 6: to nine or February one and nine, how much is

723
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Speaker 6: everybody's heart still in it? That's a legitimate.

724
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Speaker 1: Question, right, No, it's fair, especially in this day and age.

725
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Speaker 1: Quickly football two new coordinators start with on defense, How's

726
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Speaker 1: it going to look differently in twenty twenty six, It's

727
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Speaker 1: going to.

728
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Speaker 6: Look more like if you watch Scott Ciderfield at Louisville,

729
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 6: if you watched him at Appalachian State, it's going to

730
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 6: look more like that. Nate Woody was his defensive coordinator

731
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Speaker 6: at Appalachian State from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen. Brian Brown,

732
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Speaker 6: who was his defensive coordinator here when he first got here,

733
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Speaker 6: worked under Nate Woody. It's called the East Coast three four.

734
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Speaker 6: That's the system that Nate Woody has designed. I always

735
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Speaker 6: like having a coordinator that designed his own system. Like,

736
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Speaker 6: if you get your own system named like, I think

737
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 6: your chances are you're probably pretty good. Right, It's a

738
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 6: three four, it's more aggressive. There's a couple of hybrid spots.

739
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Speaker 6: One of the linebackers like a hybrid rush end. One

740
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 6: of the linebackers is more of a hybrid coverage safety

741
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Speaker 6: type guy. So in a sense, it's kind of like

742
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Speaker 6: a four, two five or a three fives, as Woody

743
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Speaker 6: is referred to it. The main thing is, I don't

744
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 6: care about the front. I don't care about the alignment.

745
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 6: I care about how aggressive you play. I care about

746
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Speaker 6: that you're not dropping eight yards on third and six

747
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 6: because I saw it. You know, especially through the back

748
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 6: end of the year, I saw offenses that weren't afraid

749
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 6: of third and six, right, they were fine with third

750
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 6: and six. Oh it's thirty and six, thirty seven, no problem,

751
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 6: We're gonna con hurt because we know Cincinnati's defense is

752
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 6: going to give this cushion and we're gonna be able

753
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 6: to get a first down. That opens up a ton

754
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 6: of the playbook when you know you don't have to

755
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 6: be in you know, third and three. So that's more

756
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 6: important to me than anything. The style is supposed to

757
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: be a lot more aggressive, supposed to get after the

758
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 6: quarterback more. I want to see that. I want to

759
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 6: see a little bit more press coverage from the corners.

760
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 6: I want to see corners turn their head and look

761
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 6: at the ball when the ball was in the air.

762
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Speaker 6: Those are supposed to be things that will be fixed

763
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Speaker 6: and that we will see more of.

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Speaker 1: What about on offense with co offensive coordinators, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't think a whole lot changes here. It's still Scott

766
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Speaker 6: Saderfield's offense. He's still going to be calling the plays.

767
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Speaker 6: I think it's a raise and an elevation for two

768
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 6: guys that have earned it. And Pete Thomas did a

769
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: phenomenal job of helping develop Brendon Soorsby. And I don't

770
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Speaker 6: know if there's anybody that would that would even put

771
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 6: up a remote debate if you said Nick Cardwell has

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Speaker 6: been the best assistant on this statmm hmm. So those

773
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Speaker 6: two guys, if you would figure when it comes to

774
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 6: game planning, Pete Thomas will handle the passing game, Nick

775
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 6: Cardwell will handle more of the running game responsibilities. Scott

776
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Speaker 6: Saderfield will call the plays. I think both of those

777
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 6: guys have done a great job. They deserve to raise,

778
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 6: They deserved a promotion, and they got one.

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Speaker 1: Well said, and uh, I appreciate you joining us as always,

780
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Speaker 1: and we will talk next week.

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Speaker 6: You're so you're not gonna call me still at four twenty?

782
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm more than happy. Are you gonna take

783
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: a nap? I mean, did you sleep enough today?

784
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Speaker 6: Is?

785
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: Uh?

786
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: You gotta go pick your kid up?

787
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Speaker 6: Like what, she's at pilates. She does hot pilates every day,

788
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 6: so she's at hot pilates right now and I'm just

789
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 6: hanging out waiting for her to get done. I do

790
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 6: feel refreshed. I feel great today.

791
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Speaker 1: I totally understand. I can totally relate. All right, man,

792
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: Thank you as always, Thanks to Gotch, Brendel, Bearcat Journal.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up on four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty,

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00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports Station. All right, foe, sorry, sorry, I forgot.

795
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: We got to hand out some money. Check check enter

796
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: it now. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for listening.

797
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: By the way, tomorrow in the show, I believe we

798
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: have Travis Steele. Tarn was working on nailing down a time.

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Speaker 1: You know, we take requests on this show, and I've

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Speaker 1: gotten a lot of requests. You're gonna have Travis Steele on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, we got to get to some red stuff. A

803
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: little bit later on. I guess we have to talk

804
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: about Phil Castelini being booed last night at the Saver game.

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Speaker 5: Two.

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Speaker 1: On the same day, we had a couple of his

807
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: players in studio, Emilio Pagan and Andrew Rabbit, which we'll

808
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: get on the iHeartRadio app if you missed it. Those

809
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: guys were terrific the UC game last night. Look, man,

810
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: this season hasn't gone well, and the questions about Wes

811
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Miller's future are real, and they're legitimate. And you know,

812
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Speaker 1: I read Jason Williams column in The Inquirer. I think

813
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: his overarching points a fair one. You know, how is

814
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: this school going to compete in basketball to make people

815
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Speaker 1: feel like the program is back to what it used

816
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Speaker 1: to be in this day and age. Part of my

817
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: counter to that would be, like they've spent They've spent

818
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the word is generously. They spent

819
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: a lot of money on this year's roster. But there

820
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: are two months left in the season. I'm sure there

821
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Speaker 1: are people who are rooting against the Bearcats who consider

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Speaker 1: themselves to be UC fans because they believe that may

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Speaker 1: expedite a coaching change. As I said, yesterday, you fan

824
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: the way you went a fan, I'm not wired that way.

825
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: I was happy they played well last night. I think

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Speaker 1: with a college team more than a pro team. Quite frankly,

827
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: but I do think this approble excuse me applies to

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Speaker 1: pro sports as well. I think if you root for

829
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: a team, you're rooting for those players. And if you

830
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: have players who are as hokey as it may sound,

831
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: giving it, they're all you like to see them get rewarded.

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00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: I looked at that game last night solely through that lens.

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Speaker 1: Can these guys enjoy a victory which has eluded them

834
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: through their own doing. It's not like they've been innocent bystanders.

835
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Speaker 1: But can these guys who all appear to be pretty

836
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: good dudes who seem to like playing with each other?

837
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: Can they taste success? Can they taste victory after playing

838
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: well enough to earn one? And last night they did.

839
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Speaker 1: I was happy for them. It doesn't have to necessarily

840
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: change the trajectory the season. One home win against a

841
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: middle of the pack Big twelve team is not going

842
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: to do that. Now pick off the next two. Maybe

843
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: the conversation changes just a little bit. I was happy

844
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: that the game last night the actual game itself became

845
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: the story. And there were nine thousand folks at Fifth

846
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: Third last night, which is well short of capacity. It's not,

847
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, three four five thousand. I'm sure there were

848
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: folks who went because they had the tickets, but maybe

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00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: ordinarily would not have purchased them. I thought the crowd,

850
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: quite frankly, early in the game lacked energy, which is

851
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: to be expected. It's it's the job of the team

852
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: to energize the crowd. As the game went on, I

853
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: felt like the crowd got a little bit more into it.

854
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: I bring this up because I think in the run

855
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: up to the game, you see in Colorado, we talked

856
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: more about this movement, this initiative where fans were gonna

857
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: wear bags to the game. It was written about in

858
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: the Enquirer. We didn't devote a ton of time to it,

859
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: but I was asked, are you actually gonna talk about

860
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: this or are you gonna duck it? We don't duck

861
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Speaker 1: things on this show, and so I talked about it

862
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Speaker 1: for like once segment and then half of another segment.

863
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: Dan Horde brought it up on the pregame show last

864
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: night to Terry Nelson, who had a long and I

865
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: think pretty good answer from his perspective as a former

866
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: player on this initiative, this movement to have fans, I

867
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: guess students more than anybody else show up to wear

868
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: bags at the game last night. Now, my take on

869
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: it is it reflects my take on pretty much everything

870
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: in life. You do you If you wanted to wear

871
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: a bag to the basketball game last night, and you

872
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: could sneak a bag past security, okay, fine, if you're

873
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: not harming anybody, if you're not getting in the way

874
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: of anybody else having a good time, do your thing.

875
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: Man Like ah, just I very much lived my life

876
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: by the rule of you do you As long as

877
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: you're not hurting anybody, I don't care. It's kind of

878
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: how I viewed the bag thing. I would not have

879
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: done it because I think that's an f you to

880
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: the players, and I don't think those players deserve an

881
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: f you quite frankly, but I think and I'm pointing

882
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: the finger at myself, but I'm also pointing the finger

883
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: at folks in the media industry and maybe to fans

884
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: as a whole. Like I think we have to talk

885
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: about what makes a thing a thing. So the the

886
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: UC barstool social media account is the one that tweeted basically,

887
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna wear a bag to the game. It's bag night.

888
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: I follow the UC barstool account because I've known some

889
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: of the previous admins. It's harmless for the most part.

890
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: They have a keen interest in UCE athletics. I have

891
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: a keen interest in UC athletics. I think they're back

892
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: and forth with you know, other barstool affiliates, whether it's

893
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: Xavier or some of the schools in the Big Twelve.

894
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: I think are funny, are lighthearted. I follow the Xavier

895
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: barstool as well, at least I think I do. They've

896
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: used their platform for good, which I'm a fan of.

897
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: Taran and I once bold in a U See Barstool

898
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: versus Xavier Barstool bowling event for charity, and I thought like,

899
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: this is cool. These are college kids and I don't

900
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: remember what the cause was, but they're getting together for

901
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: something good. So I followed the account I find and

902
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't follow a lot of anonymous accounts.

903
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: I follow that one and we'll continue to. But at

904
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the whole like where a

905
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: bag to the UC game? Thing was one anonymous person

906
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: tweeting about it. It was not a movement. I've seen

907
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: sports movements. I've seen fans get mobilized. I've seen fans

908
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: get mobilized to boycott. I've seen fans get mobilized to

909
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: turn their backs to things that maybe happening on the

910
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: field or on the court. I've seen fan movements for

911
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: everybody to wear the same color, or everybody to wear

912
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: the same color in the section they're in, Like, those

913
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: are movements, right, The ring of red is a movement,

914
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: a wide out is a movement. It's this section where

915
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: black at a Bengals game, in this section where orange

916
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: at a Bengals game. Those are movements. This was some

917
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: rando sending a tweet. And again, man, nothing against the accounts,

918
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: but it was some rando running some account where nobody

919
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: know who's behind the account sending a tweet about wearing

920
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: bags to the basketball game. And yet if you would

921
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: have heard people talk about it. I came to work

922
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: Tuesday and I got here and there were folks who

923
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: are not on social media who are like, gonna wear

924
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: a bag to the game, Moe, And It's like, I

925
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: don't think that would be good for me professionally, But no,

926
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't because I think it's a middle finger to

927
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: the players. Those folks were aware of it. Scott Springer,

928
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: who does an awesome job covering UC sports, had to

929
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: write about the movement to have people wear bags to

930
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: the game. I got tweets about it. It never really

931
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: was a thing. Now, maybe there were people who tried

932
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: to sneak a bag into fifth Third last night and

933
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: they were frisked or padded down, and the bag was

934
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: discovered and the bag got taken away. I don't know.

935
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that the number of people who

936
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: tried to bring a bag to the UC basketball game

937
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: last night I could probably count on both my hands,

938
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: maybe on one. I got a text from a friend

939
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: of mine who was at the Xavier game, and she

940
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: said to me, like, hey, take pictures of the bags,

941
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: and I go, I don't think there's gonna be any

942
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: I think the pushback from former players. I think the

943
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: logistics of wearing a bag to a basketball game. I

944
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: think the fact that most people think this is sort

945
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: of stupid is going to add up to not that

946
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: many bags. But okay, fine, So I looked, I scanned,

947
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: I scanned the student sections. I didn't see one bag. Now,

948
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: I guess you weren't allowed to bring on last night

949
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: because it violates the clear bag policy. And so maybe

950
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: if you see didn't have a clear bag policy, fans

951
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: would have wore bags to the game. I'm gonna guess, however,

952
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: that even had that been the case, that number would

953
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: have been fractional, tiny, micro fractional compared to the over

954
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: nine thousand people that were at the game and the

955
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: few hundred students that get into the games for free.

956
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: And so I guess my point is we paid attention

957
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: to something that was never really a thing. It was

958
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: one person. Like to me, if you're going to start

959
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: a movement, the first thing you have to do is

960
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: tell us who you are. Like, if you're going to

961
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: mobilize fans to behave in a certain way, if you're

962
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: going to mobilize people to do a certain thing, it's

963
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: got a little bit more heft to it if we

964
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: know who's behind it. And on an account like that,

965
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: if you run it, I don't know if you're not

966
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: allowed to tell us who you are, I don't know

967
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: if it's just best for you to not tell us

968
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: who you are but you probably have a better chance

969
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: to get people to kind of back you up if

970
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: we know who you are with that particular account as

971
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: okay as it might be nobody knows, but like we

972
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: paid a lot of attention. You had Miami University dunking

973
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: on UC, which it's funny. Now. My counter to that

974
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: would be, you have an undefeated basketball team which has

975
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: a good chance of being ranked next week. That in

976
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: itself should be enough for you to sell tickets. But okay, fine, haha,

977
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: have fun at UC's expense when you're not winning. You

978
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: deserve it. But you would have thought, based on how

979
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: this was discussed, that there were actually people that were

980
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: going to show up to the game last night wearing

981
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: bags over their heads. I'm going to believe, because I

982
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: think this is true, that if you really wanted to

983
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: get a bag in a fifth third arena last night,

984
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been that hard, And if you really

985
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: wanted to put the bag on your head during the game,

986
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been that hard. Ultimately, maybe it would

987
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: have been confiscated, confiscated, or maybe ultimately you would have

988
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: decided kind of hard to drink a beer, have a

989
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: soft drink while I'm wearing a bag, or maybe the

990
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: sort of dichotomy of I'm wearing a bag to show

991
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: that I'm embarrassed, but I'm gonna root my heart out

992
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: for these guys was enough to make people go, you

993
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna go root for the team

994
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: to win. I don't know, but I think sometimes we

995
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: need to step back. And I can be guilty of

996
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: this just because one social media account post something doesn't

997
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: represent like an actual thing, an actual movement, an actual initiative.

998
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of scolding myself. But the way this

999
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: was talked about for about a day and a half

1000
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: would make you think. I mean, like, I had a

1001
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: dude who lives in Florida text me yesterday, so, what's

1002
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: it going to look like with all those bags in

1003
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: the stands? And I wrote back, like, it's gonna look

1004
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: like there are no bags in the stands because nobody's

1005
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna wear one. So this this did take on a

1006
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: life of its own, which speaks to the power of

1007
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: social media, speaks to some of the shortcomings of social media,

1008
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: speaks to the following that that account, that account has.

1009
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: It also does speak to the overall frustration that many

1010
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: feel and I share that frustration. Like, at the end

1011
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: of the day, we're all sort of in this together.

1012
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: If you love the Bearcats, maybe you're pro bag. Maybe

1013
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: you were anti bag. Maybe you thought the account was stupid.

1014
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you thought, you know what, that's a great idea,

1015
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: and I would wear a bag, but I'm not going

1016
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: to the game. Whatever. But like I think, sometimes we

1017
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: in this business. I think sometimes we as consumers of

1018
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: content and of news, need to make the distinction between

1019
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: when something is actually a thing and when something's not.

1020
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: This never really was a thing. One person tweets it's

1021
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna be bag night, Haha, that's funny. I don't know

1022
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: anybody who is like, yes, showing up wearing a bag.

1023
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: I never saw anybody on social media go yes, I

1024
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: will be there bag in hand. Never saw anybody say yes,

1025
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: next time I go to Kroger or Meyer, I'm asking

1026
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: for paper and not plastic, so I can have a

1027
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: paper bag. So there it is. And again, man, I'm

1028
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of pointing the finger at myself. I talked about

1029
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: it because it did feel like a thing. The reality, though,

1030
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: is it never really was. So if we do this

1031
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: every time somebody tweets something, it's gonna be exhausting, right,

1032
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: Like it is going to be exhausting if some rando

1033
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: who doesn't even tell us who they are, decides here's

1034
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: the thing we're gonna do and nobody follows, we should

1035
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: probably not really make it out to be something that

1036
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: it's not fair. And again, man like if you wanted

1037
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: to wear a bag of the game last night, you

1038
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: know whatever, I have already probably devoted more time to

1039
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: this than it actually deserves. I've seen fans mobilize like

1040
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: I watched in the late nineteen nineties, Mark Amazon, who

1041
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: obviously used to be on the air in this market

1042
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: on this radio station, like he organized a fan boycott

1043
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: of the Bengals. I remember that. I remember walking through

1044
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: the boycotters outside Riverfront Stadium to go to a Bengals

1045
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: game with my dad. Like I've seen fan mobilization efforts.

1046
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: I've seen people like join bandwagons to go to Bowl

1047
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: games to show that fans can travel. I've seen students

1048
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: mobilized to bring big heads to basketball games. This was

1049
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: nothing like any of that, and yet we paid attention

1050
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: to it like it was something that actually mattered. And

1051
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: so I think there are a lot of us and

1052
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm putting myself on the list. There are a

1053
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: lot of us who need to take inventory of when

1054
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: something's actually a thing or when it's not.

1055
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: This was not.

1056
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty. Is the

1057
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: phone number eight sixty six seven oh two three seven

1058
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: seven six works as well? Twenty after four o'clock. On

1059
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: top of the the Xavier performance over Butler last night,

1060
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: they announced their partnership with the Reds, which like cool, awesome,

1061
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: and now is is is one person gonna tweet Hey,

1062
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm a UC grad. I'm not going to Reds games

1063
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: anymore because Xavier is the official school of the Reds.

1064
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: And if they do, is that going to be a thing?

1065
00:54:59,080 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: Now?

1066
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna to be somebody tweeting something out of

1067
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: anger that they probably don't even mean. But the Reds

1068
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: were there and Phil Castelini got booed, and I guess

1069
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: we had to spend some time on that because that

1070
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: actually was a thing that happened last night on ESPN

1071
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station and yeah man, last night,

1072
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: Wes Miller got booed during introductions. These are the things

1073
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: that come with losing, and you know, happy for Wes

1074
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: that his team won the game last night. I thought

1075
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: the last two games he's coached good games. I think

1076
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: he would be the first to admit, like the boos

1077
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: are understandable, use him to fuel you. Hopefully they win

1078
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: enough games that it changes that. It is a fan

1079
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: base that has been, I think, for the most part,

1080
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: very very patient. I think the Reds fan base, so

1081
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: Phil Castellini was booed loudly last night. They announced Xavier

1082
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: and the Reds announced the partnership. And I cannot understand

1083
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: anybody who didn't go to Xavier getting mad about this.

1084
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: But we're addicted to outrage. So here you go. So

1085
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: they announced their partnership Xavier, and you see the Xavior

1086
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: base or the Xavier and the Reds. You see not

1087
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: announcing a partnership Xavier and the Reds. Xavier's the official

1088
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: university of the Cincinnati Reds. If this means you're not

1089
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: going to watch Reds games anymore, you probably weren't going

1090
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: to watch Reds games to begin with. Xavier Baseball is

1091
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: going to play a game at GABP here for that.

1092
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: You see in Louisville played a game of GABP. Want

1093
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,479
Speaker 1: to say in twenty thirteen. It was a cool event.

1094
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: Played it early in the year, so the weather wasn't awesome.

1095
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: College baseball being promoted in this town is something that

1096
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: should happen more often. Xavier's going to play Creighton, so

1097
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: that's cool as hell. As part of I guess announcing

1098
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: this partnership, Phil Castellini got on the microphone during a

1099
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: time out and was booed and booed as we say, lustily.

1100
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not surprised. I'm not sure that

1101
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: Phil would even be surprised. I think here's the thing

1102
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: about this. Austin and I were talking about this off air,

1103
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: and I think he made this point on air, like

1104
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: at this point, he's Roger Goodell, he's Adam Silver, He's

1105
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: Rob Manfred. Now I would boot Rob Manfred, But the

1106
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: commissioner gives out the trophy after a championship event. The

1107
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: commissioner gets booed. This is basically in sports how it's

1108
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: supposed to work, whether it's been Bud Sea, leg Rob Manfred,

1109
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: Gary Bettman who gets booed maybe louder than anybody. Roger Goodell,

1110
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: Adam Silver before him, David Stern, the president of the NCAA,

1111
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: gets booed at the final four Conference presidents get booed

1112
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: to come. I mean, it's just it's like booing the principle.

1113
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: And I think Phil Castellini is is like in that

1114
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: category now. But I do think it's worth pointing out

1115
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: as much as the booing might have hurt him, as

1116
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: much as the booing may I guess have been a

1117
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: surprise that for a good like fifteen years, Red's ownership

1118
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: was given an enormous pass, an enormous pass. I know

1119
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: that to a degree because I did shows at times

1120
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: going like, man, people just crush the Bengals, but like,

1121
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, the Reds really haven't won anything of substance

1122
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: over whatever amount of time since this group bought the team.

1123
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: And you know, it was always like, well, you know,

1124
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: but the Reds vest is cool community for all these

1125
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: things that are awesome. We just did an interview about

1126
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: Redsveiss all these things that are awesome but don't have

1127
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: that much to do with baseball. And I think for

1128
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: years the Reds are really good at making people feel

1129
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: so good about the brand that they kind of shoved

1130
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: aside the on field performance. Also, I think a lot

1131
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: of folks have done a good job of portraying the

1132
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: Reds as this hapless organization that's only hapless because of

1133
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: baseball's economic rules. It's really only been until the last

1134
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: four or five years that Red's ownership has gotten a

1135
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: lot of public scorn. So you might not have liked

1136
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: the booze, and you might thought of I saw people

1137
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: describe the booze as unbecoming and beneath Xavier University and

1138
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: an embarrassment. Number one, eighty three wins in JJ Bladay

1139
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: doesn't changed things. Number two, This is an ownership group

1140
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: that got like fifteen years of nothing, fifteen years of patience,

1141
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: fifteen years of people nodding along during failed rebuilds, fifteen

1142
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: years of people nodding along while the ballpark they played

1143
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: games and has never hosted a home team winning a

1144
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: playoff game. So, yeah, it stinks. It stinks to be booed.

1145
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's going to change anything. Maybe the

1146
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: only thing that changes it is win the World Series.

1147
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: On of the Red's gonna win the World Series this year.

1148
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: I certainly hope they do. But if you see that

1149
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: as like, boy, the fans are being really mean. Yeah, yes,

1150
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: for fifteen years they were as nice as you could

1151
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: be to an ownership group that hasn't won anything. They

1152
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: may get mad at me for saying that, but it's true.

1153
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: Handful of division titles isn't all that much, certainly not

1154
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: relative to the We're gonna bring championship Baseball to Cincinnati

1155
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: proclamation in the winner of five to six. So might

1156
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: not like it, might find it off putting. For fifteen

1157
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: years there were nothing but cheers. When patience was finally exhausted,

1158
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: the cheers turned to booze. Eighty three wins and a

1159
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: quick exit from the postseason is not gonna change that.

1160
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Twenty nine away from five o'clock. All right, phone calls

1161
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: are coming up. Five point three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty.

1162
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: I've babbled long enough. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

1163
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: Sports Station NKU hoops tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. Rick

1164
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: Boring on the show yesterday to talk about the Norse,

1165
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: which was really good. MKU hosting Detroit Mercy at seven pm.

1166
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: That game is on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pre game at

1167
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: six thirty with Jim Kelch and Rick. So there you go.

1168
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk to some other folks. Five point three

1169
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: seven nine, fifteen thirty Scott and Dayton. You're on ESPN

1170
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Scott. Good afternoon.

1171
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 5: How are you?

1172
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 4: I am great? Now? How about you?

1173
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: I've never been better in my life. What's going on

1174
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: at a boy?

1175
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a positive attitude we're looking for.

1176
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: I have a positive attitude. I find this is the

1177
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: first time in a week and a half I have

1178
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: actually felt good. So I'm I'm whatever I had, I'm

1179
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: out of it.

1180
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: That's great. So there's a move afoot. I don't know

1181
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 4: if you've seen it heard of it, of bringing U D,

1182
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 4: Alma Mater and Saint Louis to the Big East. Well,

1183
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 4: do you feel like that's realistic or do you think

1184
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 4: Xavier's gonna say? Uh uh?

1185
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: I think if Xavier had any appetite to have U

1186
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: D in the Big East, it would have already happened.

1187
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 4: Right, I agree with that.

1188
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: So I've seen two senators, John Houston from Ohio and

1189
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: I guess the Missouri Senator are putting pressure on the

1190
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: Big East Conference to expand their membership to Dayton in

1191
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: Saint Louis.

1192
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 4: Correct, Yes, yeah, that's correct.

1193
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: I think if the Big East Conference wanted Saint Louis

1194
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: and Dayton, they would already have Saint Louis and Dayton.

1195
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I wonder a little

1196
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 4: bit about that, only because I think Dayton, probably this

1197
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 4: may anger some Xavier people, has a better profile than

1198
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 4: Xavier does as far as basketball.

1199
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: Ghost, don't you think nationally No? No, uh, I mean

1200
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: I think Xavier has been recent this season. Notwithstanding, I

1201
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: think if you look at the last thirty nearly forty years,

1202
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: Xavier has been an NCAA tournament mainstay. They've played, that

1203
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: program has played deep into the tournament, you know, going

1204
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: back and I'm trying to do this off the top

1205
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: of my head, going back to the Sweet sixteen and

1206
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. The profile has slowly built, moving into the

1207
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ten, then obviously moving into the Big East. Xavier

1208
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: basketball has been a one seed and a two seed

1209
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 1: within the last decade while playing in the Big East.

1210
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: I think Xavier's national profile frankly dramatically exceeds that from

1211
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: a basketball perspective of the University of Dayton.

1212
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 4: Oh Nita mentioned the Elite eight.

1213
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: Sure, yes, but I again, that was one year. It

1214
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: was an awesome year. Twenty fourteen, it was wan e

1215
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: lead eight. It was great. I think if you go,

1216
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: if you.

1217
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 4: Would have been a one seedy.

1218
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one of the most heartbreaking sports developments of

1219
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: my life. But I think if you went around the

1220
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: country and said, tell me more about U D basketball

1221
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: or Xavier basketball. While I certainly think you would have

1222
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: folks who are like man, I don't know about either,

1223
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: I think more fans would be able to spit out

1224
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: facts about Xavier basketball.

1225
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess there's some to that, but I don't

1226
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 4: know that there's a more rabid or loyal.

1227
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: Fan base than you'd I couldn't agree more.

1228
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 4: Selling out that arena in Dayton, Ohio every for most

1229
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 4: every game is remarkable.

1230
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: So I guess what would what would have to be

1231
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: I guess what would have to be impressed upon the

1232
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: folks who can make such things happen would be this.

1233
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Big East makes annually, Like

1234
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what their TV contracts as a whole

1235
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: haul in. Do they want to split that two more ways?

1236
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: I mean do they do?

1237
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 3: They do?

1238
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 4: They do?

1239
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: They want to take right? So do they want to

1240
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: take less per school to give Dayton and Saint Louis's share,

1241
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: or do Dayton and Saint Louis bring enough value to

1242
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: the Big East that they're going to bring in more

1243
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: and thus each school will get more per school than

1244
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: they're getting right now. Now, I'm maybe overly simplifying it, Hew,

1245
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: maybe I'm overly complicating it. But to me, that's that's

1246
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: the equation, Like if if I'm if I'm making that

1247
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: decision on behalf of Xavier University, my question is, can

1248
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: our school get more money if we allow Dayton and

1249
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: Saint Louis in And if the answer is yes, we'll

1250
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: bring them in. And if the answer is no, hard pass,

1251
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know what right now, apparently it feels

1252
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 1: like the answer is we don't think those two school

1253
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: was bringing enough value for us to to believe that

1254
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: we're going to make more money just by bringing them in.

1255
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 4: Well, the Saint Louis television market certainly is worthwhile. And

1256
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 4: I don't believe the Big East has a school in

1257
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 4: the Midwest like that.

1258
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: Uh got a school and it's got a school in Omaha, Nebraska, Yeah, uh.

1259
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 4: Oh, Creighton yeah yeah yeah yeah, But this is Saint Louis.

1260
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: That's great TV market, Yeah, awesome I again, like, does

1261
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: that matter to the Big East. I maybe maybe the

1262
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: answer is going to be yes and and and maybe

1263
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: there's a huge desire by the Big East current membership. Hey,

1264
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: you know what we want that that eastern Missouri market

1265
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: and awesome, awesome for Saint Louis, right, Like Saint Louis

1266
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: basketball is a big ish deal in in that part

1267
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: of the country, and Dayton basketball and in in Southwest Ohio,

1268
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: the Dayton metro area is a really big deal. I

1269
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: would love it as a Dayton fan, as a Dayton

1270
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: grad if you're telling me they could play Villanova and

1271
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: Xavier and Yukon and those schools as opposed to Fordham

1272
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: and LaSalle and Loyola Chicago. I know loyal Chicago had

1273
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: sister Gina made the NCAA Tournament, that's a no brainer.

1274
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know that a couple of politicians are

1275
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: going to be able to get that done for those

1276
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: two respective institutions.

1277
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 4: No, And I do think that's right. All I can

1278
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 4: say is Rutgers is in the Big Ten.

1279
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: It's also the New York market. Yeah, I know, right,

1280
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: And I would really but see here's the thing, like

1281
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: I would wonder this and I've wondered this for a while.

1282
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: If you ask your typical Dayton alum or a fan,

1283
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: and I'm both, you want to be in the Big

1284
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Speaker 1: East or the Eight Ten. We'll say Big East because

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Speaker 1: I feel like they could compete, right and it maybe

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01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't beat Yukon, but there's some commonality. Geography doesn't matter anymore.

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Speaker 1: There's schools west of Dayton in the Big East, like

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: De Paul, Marquette and Creighton. There's obviously the built in

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01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: geographical rivalry with Xavior, but there's commonality there. Those schools

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: are all roughly the same size, All but one are

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Speaker 1: Catholic based, right, all or but one are non Division

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Speaker 1: I football schools. There's commonality there, and so I think

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Speaker 1: I think every I'm looking at this is from a

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Speaker 1: men's basketball perspective, but I think every fan or a

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Speaker 1: grad would say, yeah, man, we can compete in the

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Speaker 1: Big East. I think if you ask most Rutgers fans

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01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: or alums, how do you feel about the Big Ten,

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: they would say it's not an asset. We get swarmed

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Speaker 1: in football. We might have a marginal chance of competing

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01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: in basketball. It's already a school that how many people

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01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: outside of die hard Rutgers fans really care because you've

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01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: got the New York market and all the pro sports

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: teams to the east, and you're not that far from

1304
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and all the sports teams to the southwest. Your

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: football team, which wasn't exactly a Big East powerhouse on

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01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: an annual basis, although they had good teams in the

1307
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: mid two thousands with Brian Leonard and Ray Rice and

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01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 1: Greg Ciano. From a football perspective, they're a non factor.

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Speaker 1: They have no chance of ever competing for a championship,

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01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: shy of Kurt Signetti two point zero showing up in Piscataway.

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01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,520
Speaker 1: So what I would ask most Rutgers fans is are

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01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: you enjoying this? Do you feel like you can win?

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Speaker 5: So?

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01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it's cool if Ohio State and Michigan come

1315
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: to your campus and bring all their alums with them,

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01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: and there's a ton of lums from those two schools

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01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: in that area, But do you feel like your team

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: has a chance to win? They would say no. I

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01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: would prefer membership where we can legitimately compete, Whereas I

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01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: think a Dayton fan would look at the Big East

1321
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, we can compete in that

1322
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 1: league because of there being some commonality with all the

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01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: other school wasn't it right?

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 4: Totally agree?

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: YEP, So I wish, I wish. I wish these two

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01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: politicians nothing but the best. I hope it works, but

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01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical that it will go ahead.

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01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as the Reds go, I know everybody's

1329
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 4: poo pooing this year and and apparently just totally discounting

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01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 4: that they made the playoffs last year. But we have

1331
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 4: time at our finger. What I mean by that is

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01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 4: all of those players, young players are going to be

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 4: a year older and hopefully better. How how many pitchers

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01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 4: did we not play with last year so the pitching

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01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 4: staff could be fortified. I'm an optimist. I don't see

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01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 4: the downside and what the Reds have done so far.

1337
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 4: I know we could use a bat but it just

1338
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 4: hasn't worked.

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: Well, it hasn't worked because they really haven't tried.

1340
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 4: And everything you say is that's fair.

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01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: Everything you say is true, Like, there are some players

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: who could be better, But if you were running a

1343
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball franchise, would that be your strategy? Hey,

1344
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: you know we got some guys who might be better.

1345
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: Shouldn't you always be looking for upgrades, And by the way,

1346
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: what if you acquire an upgrade from what you already

1347
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: had and some of those players perform better. Like I

1348
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: think the Reds are right now about an eighty three

1349
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: to eighty four win team, and that might be enough

1350
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: to get him into the postseason. What I want to

1351
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: do is go to spring training thinking they have a

1352
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: ninety five win team and I don't believe it's currently

1353
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: constructed they have that.

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01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 4: You have to admit that's impossible in today's market or

1355
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 4: economic market really with how baseball, Yeah, I mean, how

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 4: are we supposed to get copete with what the Dodgers

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 4: can can do?

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: Don't pay they forget competing with the Dodgers, compete with

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01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewers.

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 4: No, I get that. I agree you just want to

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01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 4: get in.

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: But we saw how the Milwaukee Brewers won ninety seven

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01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: games last year. The year before that they won ninety three,

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01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: the year before that they won ninety two. Two years

1365
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: prior to that, they won ninety five. By the way,

1366
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: the Brewers last year with a payroll less than the Reds.

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: So this whole thing about well, we can't compete with

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01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, awesome, Yeah, you're right, the Dodgers have a

1369
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 1: financial advantage. I don't want to say it's unfair because

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01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: everybody's operating under the rules that everybody agreed on. But okay,

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01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: there's an economic imbalance in the sport. Can't compete with

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. Can you compete with the Milwaukee Brewers?

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01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: Right, they won ninety seven games last year. I know

1375
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: the counter is going to be, well, they haven't gotten

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01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: to the World Series yet. Okay, but if I said

1377
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: to you over for the next five years, you're gonna

1378
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: win ninety two games minimum, would you would you take

1379
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: your chances? Would you take your chances regularly making the postseason?

1380
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: Usually making the postseason with time to do stuff like,

1381
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, set your pitching rotation, which the Reds

1382
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: couldn't do last year, or play games at home in

1383
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: the first round, or get a buy in Round one. Well,

1384
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: the Brewers do that, and by the way, the Cardinals

1385
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: for decades did it in the National League Central when

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01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: there weren't as many teams making the postseason. So like

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: every time I hear, well, they can't compete with the

1388
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: Dodgers and they can't compete with the Mets. Cool, don't

1389
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: compete with the Brewers and Cardinals, and over the last

1390
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: thirty years, the Reds have failed to do that. Right, Scott,

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. I got a run, man, Okay,

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01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: oh all right, yeah, all right. It's eleven away from

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Speaker 1: five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Damn Straight four after five. This

1395
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: is ESPN fifteen thirty on oas here. Thanks for listening today.

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:09,520
Speaker 1: Hopefully your Thursday is going as well as mine. I've

1397
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: complained this week about not feeling well and it's been you.

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: You want a little transparency, a little transparency, I'll give

1399
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: you a little transparency. The week or so after the

1400
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: Bengals season ends is always hard. And look, man, these

1401
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: are first world problems. This is not a real job.

1402
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: I'll never complain about this job. Anybody who does what

1403
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: we do for a living and complains about it shouldn't

1404
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: be allowed. We are not solving the world's problems. I

1405
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: sit in a room and I talk about sports. I mean,

1406
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: come on, but the first week or two after the

1407
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: Bengals are done, especially after a season like this is

1408
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: or it's always a little bit hard for me. And

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01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: in ways that I'm probably not going to be very

1410
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: good at explaining, so I won't try. So there's been that,

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01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: and I just like, for a week and a half,

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 1: like so many other folks, whatever it's been, I've just

1413
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: felt like garbage. And today is the first day that

1414
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: I legitimately feel like myself. So thanks for bearing with

1415
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: me over the last week and a half. Much appreciated.

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: What are we doing tomorrow? Tomorrow? We got Travis Steel, right, Terren?

1417
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: We have Travis Steel on the show tomorrow. Yes, it's

1418
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: still confirming of time, still confirming a time. What Travis?

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01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: Do we have the nky bracket guy tomorrow?

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 3: Maybe?

1421
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: Maybe was he too big time now for us? He's

1422
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: developing his own media empire. Yes, yes, the time slide

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01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: that you wanted. Oh oh, we adds flexible whatever, it

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01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and we can do whatever all kinds. We'll

1425
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: move everything around for him. I have him at Travis

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01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: Steel on together perhaps all right, So that's what we

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01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: got coming up of tomorrow. More college basketball later on

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: this hour. I've not spent time because I haven't done

1429
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: admittedly a full dive into it, but there's a college

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01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: basketball point shaving scheme that involves more than thirty nine

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01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: players on seventeen NCAA Division One teams resulting in games.

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01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: Let me instead of paraphrasing this and being clumsy about it,

1433
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: let me just read it verbatim. This is from ESPN

1434
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: dot com. A college basketball point shaving scheme involving more

1435
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: than thirty nine players on seventeen NCAA Division One teams

1436
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 1: resulted in dozens of games in the previous two seasons

1437
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: being fixed by a gambling ring that included a former

1438
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: NBA player. According to a federal indictment unsealed today in

1439
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, twenty of the twenty six

1440
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: defendants played college basketball during the twenty twenty three to

1441
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: twenty four and or twenty twenty four to twenty twenty

1442
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: five seasons. According to the indictment, four of the players

1443
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: charged have played for their current teams in the past week.

1444
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: None of the allegations against these players were from this season.

1445
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: And so I have just in the course of prepping

1446
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: for the show and doing a bunch of other stuff,

1447
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: I've read this on a surface level, but I know

1448
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: what's going to happen here is this is going to

1449
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: be the latest piece of ammunition that folks who want

1450
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: to make sports wagering illegal, this is going to be

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01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: what they use. And I am for there being some

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01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: tweaking as to the rules. I would be fully on

1453
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 1: board with there being no prop bets on college players.

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: I've never made a wager on a prop bet involving

1455
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: a college player. I think the sports books and full

1456
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: Disclosure I speak for a FanDuel I do their commercials.

1457
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: I think the books, at the very least, if the

1458
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 1: States aren't going to make them illegal, I think the

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01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: books should say, you know what, we're just not going

1460
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: to take prop betting action on college athletes. Frankly, I

1461
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: don't expect that to happen. I also believe prop bets

1462
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: at the highest levels at you know, the NFL, NBA level,

1463
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: et cetera, I think those should be rained in a

1464
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: little bit. I think if you want to make a

1465
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: prop bet on how many points Steph Curry's going to

1466
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: score in a basketball game, that's one thing. Or if

1467
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: you want to make a prop bet on how many

1468
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 1: touchdowns Joe Burrow may throw or how many yards he

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01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: may throw for that's one thing. I think when you're

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01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: getting into the deeper part of the roster, and it's hey, Mitchell,

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01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: Tinsley's receiving yards. Nothing against Mitch. I don't know if

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01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: we need that. Like I think there should should be

1473
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: some degree of threshold, some threshold that you know a

1474
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: player's participation has to clear before you could make a

1475
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: prop bet on them. How realistic that is, man, I

1476
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: have no idea, but it's something I would like to

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01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: see the books do. I am certainly aware of the

1478
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: ills of or it's gambling, just like I'm aware of

1479
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: the ills of alcoholism, of drug addiction, of of people

1480
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: over eating, indulging in the wrong things. I'm aware of

1481
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: a lot of these things.

1482
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 5: Now.

1483
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: I don't want most drugs to be legal, but the

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01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: other stuff is legal and and it should be, as

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01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: should sports gambling. And I look at it through the

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 1: same lens that I think a lot of people do.

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01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: The irregularities in play here we're we're not We're not

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01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: talking about college basketball players from like huge programs. We're

1489
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about Kennessaw State and UH Eastern Michigan and

1490
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: South Alabama, or we're we're not. We're not We're not

1491
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,879
Speaker 1: talking about like athletes from Yukon and Kansas and Houston.

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01:19:53,600 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: We're talking about kennessa state. I guess Sa Lewis is

1493
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: also in the mix. Anyway, the fact that sports wagering

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Speaker 1: is legal makes it easier to detect irregularities and then

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01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: identify bad actors and bring them the justice. And I

1496
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: do think over the last four or five years, even

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01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:26,480
Speaker 1: with that weird case involving college baseball and the University

1498
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati baseball program was like tangentially involved involved the

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01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: Alabama baseball coach who lost his job. Legal wagers were made,

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01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: but there were irregularities that caused a red flag to

1501
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 1: go up, and then what needed to happen after that happened.

1502
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's in play here. Whereas in

1503
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: the previous few centuries of sport, when not everything has

1504
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: been on the up and up, the irregularities are really

1505
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: hard to detect. Point shaving scandals are not new, game

1506
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: fixing scandals are not new. Every single one of them

1507
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 1: is unfortunate, every single one of them brings into question

1508
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: the integrity of the athlete, the team, the coach, and

1509
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: maybe the sport as a whole. But they're not new.

1510
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: But what we have now is because sports wagering is

1511
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: so widespread legal It's not legal everywhere, but because the

1512
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: legalization of it has become so widespread, I think it's

1513
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: easier to detect irregularities line movement wagers being made, bizarre

1514
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: bets being placed that you wouldn't expect to be placed

1515
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: unless somebody had inside information, like a player being bought off.

1516
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be game fixing issues that go

1517
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: beneath the radar. Maybe the baseball thing involving Emmanuel Classe

1518
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: and his teammate with the Guardians. Maybe that undetected if

1519
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Classe doesn't try to get his teammate involved. But

1520
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: I think what we have with the legalization of sports wagering,

1521
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: and look, man, I'm biased. I love to make a

1522
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: good sports wager. Like I love betting on the NFL playoffs,

1523
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: like betan on college basketball. I like betton first five

1524
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: innings in baseball. I like betting on home run hitters.

1525
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: I betting on anytime touchdown scores. Like it's enjoyable, it's fun.

1526
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: I believe in personal responsibility. I believe adults should be

1527
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: able to do it pretty much whatever they want. I

1528
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: am as pro sports, legal sports wagering. As you'll find,

1529
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: we've been doing sports wagering segments on this radio station

1530
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: since well before sports wagering was legal in Ohio and

1531
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: then obviously in Kentucky. So yeah, I'm a little bit biased,

1532
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: But I do think when it comes to detecting illicit activity,

1533
01:22:54,840 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 1: nefarious activity, integrity, compromised activity, or just simple irregularities because

1534
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: of a certain amount of money being placed on a

1535
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: certain team, I think these things are easier to find

1536
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: because of the things in place that result from sports

1537
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: wagering being legalized. So I would be willing to bet

1538
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: there's going to be a whole slew of think pieces

1539
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: about how this is why we shouldn't have legalized sports betting,

1540
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: and and again, like I do think prop bets could

1541
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: be a problem. I think on I think certainly on

1542
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: a micro level where in baseball and maybe basketball as well,

1543
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, if if your point total is twelve and

1544
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: a half, you could play your ass off to score

1545
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: those first twelve points, then simply take yourself out of

1546
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the game.

1547
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 5: Like, I.

1548
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: Would be okay with reigning in the ability to make

1549
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: prop bets on everything, Totally on board with that, Totally

1550
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: on board with not making prop bets on college athletes,

1551
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: who I think are easier to prey upon, and especially

1552
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: at some of the schools that aren't as high profile

1553
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: than the professional ranks. I don't know if we need

1554
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: to make bets on, Hey, this pitch is going to

1555
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: be a strike or a ball or this this particular pitch,

1556
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: and the fourth inning of a game in the middle

1557
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: of June is going to be under or over ninety

1558
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: three and a half miles per hour would be more

1559
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: than okay with not having those things. But I do

1560
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: think the fact that we have legal sports wagering, the

1561
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: red bells or red flags or alarm bells, I mixed

1562
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: my metaphors there that went off and triggered an investigation.

1563
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: I don't think they go off or go up if

1564
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: sports wagering is not legal. So there I one of

1565
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: my soapbox about that. Fifteen minutes after five o'clock ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty

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Speaker 1: is our number eight sixty six seven oh two three

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Speaker 1: seven seven six. We had Andrew Abbott and Amelia Pagan

1569
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: in studio earlier. We'll have that for you on iHeartRadio

1570
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: app Redsfest. Is this weekend, we go from Reds Fest,

1571
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: and then we turn the page to spring training, which

1572
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: is gonna start February the ninth, and Cactus League games

1573
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: pretty much less than two weeks after that, Reds and

1574
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: Guardians on Saturday, February the twenty first, and so just

1575
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: over a month away. It is very reasonable. We were

1576
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: talking about this with a caller last hour. It is

1577
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: very reasonable to expect a number of players from last

1578
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: year's team to perform better this year. Would it be

1579
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: shocking if Elie Dela Cruz had a better season in

1580
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Not only would it not be shocking,

1581
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: it should be what you expect because you're anticipating better

1582
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: health and you're also anticipating the manager managing his playing

1583
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: time better. Would it be shocking to see Matt McClain

1584
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: have a turnaround season? No, Now, twenty twenty three was

1585
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: a while ago, and his leash cannot be as long

1586
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: this year as it was last year, and you cannot

1587
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: write him in in black magic marker as the team's

1588
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: two hole hitter batting second like they did last year.

1589
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody would be surprised if he

1590
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: just had a better year, had a good year. Would

1591
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: it be shocking if Sal Stewart had a twenty five

1592
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: to thirty home run season, And maybe I'm being conservative, Oh,

1593
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be shocking. But the fact that those things

1594
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocking developments, or the fact that you may

1595
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: think you can count on those things, I believe, should

1596
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: not preclude you from being more aggressive and making the

1597
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: team better. We say it all the time, right, there's

1598
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 1: room for multiple truths. It is true that the Reds

1599
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: have some guys that I think you could reasonably expect

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01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 1: to perform better this year. It is also true that

1601
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: even with that, the roster as a whole could use

1602
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more offensive punch. They have been I

1603
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: think almost unforgivably slow or maybe just negligent when it

1604
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:18,799
Speaker 1: comes to making the team better Via the outside seventeen

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01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: minutes after five o'clock at Mullegger on Twitter Thanks to

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, Guaranteed Human. This is

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty on Mulegger five point three seven nine

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01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty is our homeowner. Let's uh talk to Mike. Mike,

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01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: you are on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon. How are you.

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01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 5: Thanks mo cutting me off or just appreciate it? So, I, uh,

1613
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 5: I ask you. I want to talk to you a

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01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 5: little bit about the spreads on the college.

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01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 1: I know you're not doing.

1616
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 4: What was what?

1617
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: What was your program called Locks of the Night? But

1618
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: if somebody wants to help us bring it back, locks

1619
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: of the Night could return.

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01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 5: I might put it in my will. I might put

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01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 5: it my will really perpetuity. Wow, well that would be

1622
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 5: a great public service because things are looking kind of dismal.

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01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 1: But anyway, Mike, do you have the kind of money

1624
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: that that dude who left UCLA football and basketball seven

1625
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: million dollars had?

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01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 5: No, sir, but I got a little bit. I got

1627
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 5: a little bit.

1628
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: You have enough to fund the return of Locks of

1629
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 1: the Night.

1630
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 5: I don't know how much it costs. What's the cost?

1631
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm not on the business side

1632
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: of things.

1633
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 5: We'll tell them to call me. Okay, yeah, okay. So

1634
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 5: I want to thank you for straightening out the Lola

1635
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 5: land redstands that called you earlier. At least one of them.

1636
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's a very nice man, and I don't

1637
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 5: have anything against them, But I think these people are

1638
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 5: living out in weft field somewhere, and I'm comparing. The

1639
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 5: reason I'm saying that is since we haven't done Jack, Okay,

1640
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 5: we got a couple of relievers.

1641
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, good pickups. Caleb Ferguson and Pierce Johnson, I think,

1642
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: in particular, are good pickups. There's no reason to be

1643
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: opposed to what they have done. In an effort to

1644
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: shoot down what they haven't done, I can do both.

1645
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 1: I think they've made their bullpen slightly better. I refuse

1646
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: to believe that offensively, they have solved what was a

1647
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: glaring issue last year.

1648
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 5: And that's the reason you're talking about eighty three wins.

1649
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 5: It's just about the picking. You're talking about it because

1650
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: of the lack of RBI production. That's what you're talking about.

1651
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 1: I think it's I think you know what I think

1652
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: it is, Mike. I think it's a lack of an

1653
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: offense of identity. They don't revolve their offense around dudes

1654
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: who can hit the ball out of the ballpark or

1655
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: can make you think they're likely to hit the ball

1656
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: out of the ballpark. Okay, but like you go back

1657
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty three, their offensive identity was we're gonna

1658
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 1: put pressure on the other team's defense. We're gonna steal bases.

1659
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 1: We're gonna take the extra base that went away last year.

1660
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: And so if you're to me, if you don't have

1661
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: a team that can hit the ball out of the

1662
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: ballpark with regularity, then you want a team that's a

1663
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: little bit more speed oriented, a little bit more on

1664
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: base oriented, like the Reds two hole hitters last year.

1665
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: I think we're the second least productive in the entire sport.

1666
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: So if you go, look, man, we're we don't have

1667
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: a thumper who's gonna hit thirty five awesome, then can

1668
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: you score? Because you get a lot of guys on base,

1669
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: and when they get on base, you're good at getting

1670
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: them in And you could play some little ball as

1671
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: much as I don't love bunting, and you'll you'll steal

1672
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: a bag and you'll put pressure on the defense. And

1673
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: we have a lot of guys who can string together hits.

1674
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 1: They didn't have that either. So you know, if you

1675
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: wanted to tell me, look, we didn't go get a

1676
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: forty home run guy. We didn't get Kyle Schwerber. But

1677
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: we're making our offense around a lot of guys who

1678
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: get on base a bunch and steel bags. Cool, but

1679
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 1: you didn't do it with the same collection of players

1680
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: last year, So why should I believe you this year?

1681
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: There's no offensive identity. One way to have an offensive identity, though,

1682
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: is by putting a guy in the middle of the

1683
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: order that is a thumper that provides a level of

1684
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 1: protection to Ellie Dela Cruz that wasn't there last year,

1685
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: that provides a level of protection to the guys at

1686
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 1: the top of the order that wasn't there last year

1687
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: that you got go into a game going we can't

1688
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: have a lot of traffic on bases when this guy

1689
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: comes up because he can hit a two three or

1690
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: or two or three run homer or a grand Slam.

1691
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: They don't have that. Maybe Ellie becomes that because he's healthy,

1692
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 1: Maybe Sal Stewart becomes that, but they didn't get a

1693
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 1: guy who's established at being able to do that. And

1694
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: that's frustrating.

1695
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 5: It's always maybe me. This is what bugs me. Now, Now,

1696
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 5: who's in the World Series last year? Okay, the Dodgers,

1697
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 5: Why because they hit a lot of home runs Blue Jays.

1698
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 5: Why because they hit a lot of home runs. They

1699
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 5: got home run hitters plus guys that get on base

1700
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 5: and do their thing. Come on, Reds, wake up. I

1701
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 5: mean the Pirates have done more than the Reds in

1702
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 5: an effort to keep Schemes around. I think part of

1703
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 5: it is probably was thinking, you know, we got to

1704
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 5: do something to get some hitting going here, to keep

1705
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 5: Paul Schemes around from one to get the hell out

1706
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 5: of here as soon as he can.

1707
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not even sure it's about the

1708
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: total number of home runs like the Reds hit. I

1709
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 1: think one or two more home runs than the Brewers

1710
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: did last year. But it's I think when you looked

1711
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: at the Reds last season, it was there there was

1712
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: nobody that you were afraid to pitch to. There was

1713
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: nobody that you said, we can't let these guys get

1714
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: on base because this guy could do major damage. And

1715
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: then you combine that with the fact that they weren't

1716
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 1: great at you know, stringing together a bunch of hits

1717
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:03,759
Speaker 1: to square runs or stealing bases or taking the extra

1718
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: bag to put pressure on the defense, like there's no

1719
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: offensive identity. I think the best offensive identity to have

1720
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: is to have guys that can hit the ball out

1721
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: of the ballpark. We're not asking for the Reds to

1722
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: line their batting order with guys who are gonna hit

1723
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 1: twenty five per We were hoping they would get one

1724
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: who can maybe hit thirty. They haven't done that.

1725
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, like with the big Red Machine, Tony Perez, Tony

1726
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 5: I think lifetime hitler was probably about two seventy five.

1727
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 5: But he would always get that clutch home run, always

1728
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 5: get that clutch double. You know, we just don't have

1729
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 5: those goods, okay.

1730
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: And the fact and the fact that they tried to

1731
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 1: get Kyle Schwarber is an acknowledgment. I think at least

1732
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: we need home runs. We won home runs. This dude

1733
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: hit fifty six last year. If he has a down year,

1734
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna hit forty. And so the frustrating thing for

1735
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 1: me is by going after him, you acknowledged there was

1736
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: a need to have what he brings to the table.

1737
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Once he didn't bring it to the table, apparently that

1738
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 1: need went away.

1739
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 5: But how hard did they try? How hard did they try?

1740
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: I think it's I am led to believe that in

1741
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 1: their minds they tried hard I think an outsider like

1742
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,560
Speaker 1: you and I would say that that effort was not

1743
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,600
Speaker 1: as fullhearted as it needed to be.

1744
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 5: Well, maybe he likes it in Philly, you know, and

1745
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 5: he feels like they have a better chance to get

1746
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 5: another ring. And you can't blame the guy for that. Okay,

1747
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 5: let me switch topic and then I'll get out of

1748
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 5: your hair. This college Football Championship coming up on Monday.

1749
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 5: So the spread ended up initially was seven and a half.

1750
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 5: You now it's went up to eight and a half.

1751
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 5: The over under forty eight and a half. And before

1752
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 5: I go, and the money line is Miami plus step

1753
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 5: two seventy.

1754
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 6: I believe.

1755
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 5: I want to ask you and that you know what's

1756
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 5: ironic about this? Indiana has the longest the losiness program

1757
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,759
Speaker 5: in Division one in NCAA history, if I'm not mistaken.

1758
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 5: And what the Signetti guy has done is absolutely use

1759
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 5: a saint. I mean, it's.

1760
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: Incredible, awesome, awesome, It's it's an awesome story. It's added

1761
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 1: an element of newness that this sport badly needed. There's

1762
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: a Cinderella story aspect to it, but they don't play

1763
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: like a Cinderella's It's cool as hell, I hope they

1764
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: finished the job. The number is eight and a half.

1765
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 1: I think they cover it, and I think they cover

1766
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: it because Miami's offense is not that explosive, at least

1767
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: not what you expect for a team that's playing for

1768
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: the national title, and I think that feeds right into

1769
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 1: how Indiana plays. I think they can put a lot

1770
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 1: of pressure on Carson Beck and I don't think he's great,

1771
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: and he's I don't think he's great under pressure. The

1772
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 1: statistics bear that out. And I think an offense that

1773
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: is already lacking explosiveness is going to be it's going

1774
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: to be really hard pressed to find ways to score

1775
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 1: enough against that Indiana defense.

1776
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 5: And I don't think the whole field advantage means in

1777
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 5: anything to Indiana. I think they could care less. I'm

1778
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 5: probably glad they're going to be playing.

1779
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 4: A little.

1780
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 5: Better.

1781
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I don't I don't know if

1782
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: that's going to be a huge factor. I hope they

1783
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: finished the job. Like I think, Indiana being good at

1784
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: football is one of the cooler stories we've had in

1785
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: quite a while. Mike, I gotta run man, Thank you,

1786
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 1: Thanks bal It's twenty nine away from six o'clock. Five

1787
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: point three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty will touch on

1788
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: last night's college hoops on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports

1789
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 1: Station and k U basketball Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1790
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: The Norse hosting Detroit Mercy tip off at seven pregame

1791
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: at six thirty. Last night. Fun night of college basketball

1792
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: around the country, certainly in the area. Maybe the first

1793
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: thirty minutes or so. Not very fun for Kentucky Wildcats

1794
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,879
Speaker 1: fans last night. Down sixteen and a half, down eighteen

1795
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: at one point against a bad LSU team, the Wildcats

1796
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 1: storm back and win at the Horn, seventy five to

1797
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: seventy four. Here's how it sounded on the They don't

1798
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 1: call it the Big Blue Sports Network anymore, the Kentucky

1799
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 1: Sports Network.

1800
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:18,440
Speaker 2: Chandler Lookie throws it way up into front porch, Morino catches.

1801
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: Shoots for the win.

1802
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 5: You got it, get mine? Oh my, they're gonna look

1803
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 5: at it.

1804
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: But the young fella, oh man, what a great pass

1805
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 1: and catch in traffic. Tom Leach and Goose Gibbons last

1806
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: night calling Malachi Monroe's game winner as Kentucky completes an

1807
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: eighteen point comeback against the Tigers, who choked that game

1808
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: away by missing a couple of free throws in the

1809
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: closing seconds. The Wildcats survive. It felt like the difference

1810
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: between being eleven and six with the win and ten

1811
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: and seven with that loss were enorm Xavier wins last

1812
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 1: night the Musketeers, we talked about this a little bit earlier.

1813
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: They get out and transition and and for all of

1814
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 1: their ills, and they've they've had them on both ends

1815
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: and the floor, and they've had him at times finishing

1816
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: at the rim. They really outpaced Providence on Saturday, did

1817
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: the same against Butler last night, and the Musketeers win

1818
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,560
Speaker 1: their second consecutive game. And you know, if you go

1819
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: back to mid November, I think if I would have

1820
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: said that Xavier is going to have eleven wins, that

1821
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: might have felt generous. Now, there are a lot of

1822
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: games to go, a lot of tough games to go

1823
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 1: in the Big East. It's tough to go back to Yukon.

1824
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: They've got two with Saint John's, for what it's worth,

1825
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,600
Speaker 1: got to play the Paul again, who beat him up

1826
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: in Chicago. They got the seat in Hall Tilts. I mean,

1827
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: there's there's some real, real, real tough sledding for for Xavier,

1828
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, Like there was a time

1829
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: where you would have set the Biggies to win total

1830
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: over under it like five and a half, six and

1831
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: a half, and some wondering like, well they even get

1832
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: to ten, eleven, twelve wins and they have what you

1833
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 1: get for that is not that much, but it's worth stating. Nonetheless,

1834
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: and I do think Richard Patino is getting They've had

1835
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:18,719
Speaker 1: some lobsided games, and they had the game against Marquette,

1836
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: which you know, frankly they should have won. They were

1837
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 1: just destroyed on the glass late in the second half

1838
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: of that game. But they haven't folded. I think the

1839
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 1: pretty well coached I think he's getting as much out

1840
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: of those players as you could ask. You see wins

1841
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: last night. We talked about this a little bit earlier.

1842
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 1: I was glad the story became what was on the

1843
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: floor and not what didn't happen in the stands. Bear

1844
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 1: Katz played well last night. What it matters for the season,

1845
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 1: I guess time's gonna tell. If you weren't feeling great

1846
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 1: about the trajectory of the team or the trajectory of

1847
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: the program before last night, last night's game probably didn't

1848
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: make you feel any better. I viewed it through a

1849
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: very simple lens. The dudes have played hard, and maybe

1850
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: that's the bare minimum that you should expect. It is

1851
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: the bare minimum. I guess it should be built in.

1852
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: You don't get medals for trying. But if you root

1853
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: for a program, you root for the guys, and you

1854
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: want to see the guys get rewarded when their effort's

1855
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: there and the effort has been there, and last night

1856
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: I like seeing it get rewarded. I do not want

1857
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:24,599
Speaker 1: to know how that game would have unfolded had Dayda

1858
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: Thomas not scored five consecutive points between like the five

1859
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,560
Speaker 1: minute mark and the four to twenty mark. Fortunately he

1860
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: did right when it felt like another one was about

1861
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: to get away. Chad Brendle on the Bearcats next Redsfest.

1862
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 1: Reds Fest starts tomorrow at three o'clock. I wish we

1863
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: were broadcasting from Redsfest there, I said it. Chad Brendle's

1864
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 1: here Bearcat Journal dot com. I slept well last night

1865
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: for the first time in like two weeks because I

1866
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: haven't felt great. How do you think Wes Miller's left?

1867
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 6: I hope so, I hope so it's been look it

1868
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:12,799
Speaker 6: would be one thing if I know it's been brutal.

1869
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 6: I know things have not been good. I imagine it's

1870
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 6: even worse losing three Big Twelve, your first three Big

1871
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 6: Twelve games five grand total of what ten points? Like,

1872
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 6: I imagine that's even more unsettling than if you got

1873
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 6: blown out every game, especially the way they've lost the

1874
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 6: three games that they lost, so being able to hang on. Look,

1875
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 6: it got to five and then Dade Thomas goes on

1876
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,799
Speaker 6: that that you know, makes the three in a layup

1877
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:45,559
Speaker 6: five bah Miller scores, it's back to twelve. You think,

1878
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 6: all right, they stem Tide. It's gonna be all right.

1879
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 6: You blink aight, Oh run Colorado, it's back to four.

1880
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 6: Oh my god, they're gonna lose this game. Like they're

1881
01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 6: really gonna lose this game. And tudo to the Bearcats

1882
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 6: for making free throws down the stretch and getting across

1883
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 6: the finish line. And also, I don't know if you

1884
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 6: watched it last night or not, I kind of loved

1885
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 6: Tad Boyle. His postgame press conference was outstanding.

1886
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: Really, I did not pay attention to Tad Boyle. I

1887
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 1: know their radio broadcast was still going on when everybody

1888
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: else in the arena had left.

1889
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 6: He legitimately had. He looked at the statute he was

1890
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 6: talking about the first half because I was asking him

1891
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 6: about Cincinnati cutting up his own defense, and he looked

1892
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 6: at me and he said, they shot fifty seven percent

1893
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 6: in the first half. When's the last time this Cincinnati

1894
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 6: team shot fifty to seven percent? Right, that doesn't happen

1895
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 6: a whole lot, does it. I was like, no, it doesn't.

1896
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 6: It was great, go watch it tonight. It's really I mean,

1897
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 6: he called his team soft like three times. He said

1898
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 6: that Cincinnati's offense isn't good. But seeing Colorado on the schedule, like,

1899
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 6: is what ails you? It was all the things we

1900
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 6: want coaches to sound like in a post game. That

1901
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 6: was Tad Boyle last night.

1902
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks have looked at these

1903
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: next two games not just as automatic losses, but games

1904
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 1: in which they won't even compete. Is that unfair?

1905
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not unfair. I watched Iowa State and

1906
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 6: get their doors blown off Tuesday night. That's not great. Now.

1907
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 6: I will say, if you look at last year, they

1908
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:41,799
Speaker 6: had a really good team. They kind of lost games

1909
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 6: in like bunches, right, you know, lost two or three

1910
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,719
Speaker 6: in a row, lost three or four, So we'll see

1911
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 6: if maybe this is that point in the season where

1912
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 6: Iowa State kind of self corrects and has a little

1913
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 6: blip and then gets back on track. But they're so good.

1914
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 6: I mean, go look at what they did to Purdue

1915
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 6: in area like that is an outstanding basketball team. And

1916
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 6: then who's been more consistent than Arizona this year? And

1917
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 6: I think Michigan's been the better team, But Arizona just

1918
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 6: consistently their guard play, that they're bigs, that they've got

1919
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 6: an elite forward in co opete, Like just match up

1920
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 6: alone is not pretty for this Bearcats team. Those both

1921
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 6: of those teams have outstanding guards. And I think that's

1922
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 6: where you know, when we do the post mortem on

1923
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 6: the West Miller tenure, I think the lead the lead

1924
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 6: paragraph is the guards just weren't good enough.

1925
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the West Miller tenure. Is it salvagable?

1926
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 6: Can they make the NCAA tournament at I think that's

1927
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 6: what right? I don't think so, Like I just I

1928
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 6: want to see it be saligible. But I mean, you've

1929
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 6: got Iowa State, You've got Arizona, You've got Houston, You've

1930
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 6: got BYU, You've got Texas Tech, You've got Kansas, Like,

1931
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 6: there's not the math doesn't math on. I mean, what,

1932
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 6: we're four games in, there's fourteen left. They probably need

1933
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:33,599
Speaker 6: to go ten and four, so win all the toss

1934
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 6: up games and then knock off a couple of the

1935
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 6: top twenty teams that are in the conference. It just

1936
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,440
Speaker 6: it feels pretty far out of reach, unfortunately.

1937
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: I think the one observation that people have made really

1938
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 1: coming out of the UCF game, where they were again

1939
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 1: in a position to win, is that these are a

1940
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 1: collection of players worth not bailing on. That's been part

1941
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: of Wes's message, right it's it's us against the world.

1942
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: My guys aren't quitting. I'm not going to quit on them.

1943
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing them. I think for a lot of us.

1944
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: I looked at last night and said, if the losing continues,

1945
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: you kind of wonder, like, especially in this day and age,

1946
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 1: where dudes are going to start to have other opportunities, right, Like,

1947
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,640
Speaker 1: if the losing continues, does it become problematic and you

1948
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: start to go, Okay, you know, maybe maybe not everybody

1949
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 1: is going to be as nearly all in as they

1950
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: should or as you want them to be. You're around

1951
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: these guys and you know them well, how legitimate or

1952
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:35,799
Speaker 1: illegitimate is that concern?

1953
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 6: It's comp of a concern. Not to be fair, it's

1954
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 6: a transfer portal era.

1955
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 3: Right.

1956
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 6: I don't know them as well as I used to, right, Sure,

1957
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,799
Speaker 6: Like right, I started watching Troy Kpain when he was fifteen,

1958
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 6: sixteen years old. Sure, but you know them, you know

1959
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 6: them when he was like a freshman in high school.

1960
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 1: You still know them more than most.

1961
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,560
Speaker 6: Yes, yet, Yes, I'm just saying it's like it's a

1962
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 6: different era in terms of having a sense for that

1963
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 6: type of thing, you know what, Like Tyler McKinley, I

1964
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 6: guarantee you Tyler McKinley's wanted to be a bearcat his

1965
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 6: his whole life. I've never seen Tyler McKinley's effort dipping.

1966
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 6: But I mean, what if this thing gets to you know,

1967
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 6: one in eight in conference play, then how much buying

1968
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 6: really is there? Like, because these guys don't have a

1969
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,439
Speaker 6: lot of the point I was getting at MO, these

1970
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 6: guys don't have a lot of skin in the game

1971
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 6: that you see. They're here now. I think this team

1972
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 6: likes each other. I think they are playing hard fighting,

1973
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 6: you know, putting out the best effort that they're capable

1974
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 6: of displaying.

1975
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: But what is that?

1976
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:46,560
Speaker 6: What is that breaking point? You know, you get to

1977
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 6: January one to nine or February one and nine, how

1978
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 6: much is everybody's heart still in it? That's a legitimate.

1979
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: Question, right, No, it's fair, especially in this day and age.

1980
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Quickly football two new coordinators start with on defense, how's

1981
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: it going to look differently in twenty twenty six.

1982
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 6: It's gonna look more like if you watch Scott Saderfield

1983
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 6: at Louisville, if you watched him at Appalachian State, it's

1984
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 6: gonna look more like that. Nate Woody was his defensive

1985
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 6: coordinator at Appalachian State from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen.

1986
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 6: Brian Brown, who was his defensive coordinator here when he

1987
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 6: first got here, worked under Nate Woody. It's called the

1988
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 6: East Coast three four. That's the system that Nate Woody

1989
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 6: has designed. I always like having a coordinator that designed

1990
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 6: his own system. Like, if you get your own system named,

1991
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 6: I think your chances are you're probably pretty good. Right,

1992
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 6: it's a three to four. It's more aggressive. There's a

1993
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,600
Speaker 6: couple of hybrid spots. One of the linebackers like a

1994
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 6: hybrid rush end. One of the linebackers is more of

1995
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 6: a hybrid coverage, say D type guy. So in a sense,

1996
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 6: it's kind of like a four to two five or

1997
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 6: a three fives, as Woody is referred to it. The

1998
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 6: main thing is, I don't care about the front. I

1999
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 6: don't care about the alignment. I care about how aggressive

2000
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:21,679
Speaker 6: you play. I care about that you're not dropping eight

2001
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 6: yards on third and six because I saw it, you know,

2002
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 6: especially Drough the back end of the year. I saw

2003
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 6: offenses that weren't afraid of third and six, right, they

2004
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 6: were fine with third and six. Oh it's thirty and six,

2005
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 6: thirty seven, No problem, we're gonna convert because we know

2006
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 6: Cincinnati's defense is going to give this cushion and we're

2007
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 6: gonna be able to get a first down. That opens

2008
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 6: up a ton of the playbook when you know you

2009
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 6: don't have to be in you know, third and three.

2010
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,679
Speaker 6: So that's more important to me than anything. The style

2011
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,600
Speaker 6: is supposed to be a lot more aggressive, supposed to

2012
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 6: get after the quarterback more. I want to see that.

2013
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 6: I want to see a little bit more pressed coverage

2014
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 6: from the corners. I want to see corners turn their

2015
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 6: head and look at the ball when the ball was

2016
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 6: in the air. Those are supposed to be things that

2017
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 6: will be fixed and that we will see more of.

2018
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: What about on offense with co offensive coordinators, I.

2019
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 6: Don't think a whole lot changes here. It's still Scott

2020
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,799
Speaker 6: Saderfield's offense. He's still going to be calling the plays.

2021
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 6: I think it's a raise and an elevation for two

2022
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 6: guys that have earned it. And Pete Thomas did a

2023
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 6: phenomenal job of helping develop Brendon Soorsby. And I don't

2024
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 6: know if there's anybody that would even put up a

2025
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 6: remote debate if you said Nick Cardwell's been the best

2026
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:46,600
Speaker 6: assistant on this stat So those two guys, if you

2027
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,799
Speaker 6: would figure, when it comes to game planning, Pete Thomas

2028
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 6: will handle the passing game, Nick Cardwell will handle more

2029
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 6: of the running game responsibilities. Scott Saderfield will call the plays.

2030
01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 6: I think both of those guys have done a great job.

2031
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 6: They deserve to raise, They deserved a promotion, and they

2032
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 6: got one.

2033
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 1: Well said, and uh, I appreciate you joining us as always,

2034
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 1: and we will talk next week.

2035
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 6: You're you're not gonna call me still at four twenty.

2036
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm more than happy. Are you gonna take

2037
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 1: a nap? I mean, did you sleep enough today?

2038
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 3: Is?

2039
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 1: Uh? You gonna go pick your kid up? Like what?

2040
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 6: She's at pilates? She does hot pilates every day. Oh

2041
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 6: so she's at hot pilates right now and I'm just

2042
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 6: hanging out waiting for her to get done. I do

2043
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:29,719
Speaker 6: feel refreshed. I feel great today.

2044
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 1: I totally understand. I can totally relate. All right, man,

2045
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 1: Thank you as always.

2046
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:35,960
Speaker 6: Thanks.

2047
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 1: That's our guy. Chad Brendel, Bearcat Journal dot com. We

2048
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Speaker 1: are done, show is over. Got to go tomorrow, Travis Steele,

2049
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Speaker 1: among others, have a great night. Thank you for listening.

2050
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Speaker 1: Don't forget Tony Pike. Sincy three sixty is tomorrow at noon.

2051
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