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Speaker 4: the winter Olympics. Today, we get US Olympic Men's Hockey.

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Speaker 4: Our team is taking on Latvia. The the puck is

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Speaker 4: Is he better than Dane Myers? Dane Myers has not

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Speaker 4: We're on pace for like a twelve to ten game.

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Speaker 4: goal and if it does, we have to play the

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Speaker 4: goal coming off the scoreboard.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: That looks like that should be interference. That should be

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Speaker 4: interference on?

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Speaker 1: Uh? On JT. Miller. We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a hamstring issue, a tough break

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Speaker 4: for him. We are now nine days away from the

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Speaker 4: Cactus League Open. Are Reds and Guardians in Goodyear a

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Speaker 4: week from Saturday. Meanwhile, college hoops tonight or college basketball

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Speaker 4: depending on your perspective at I'll explain that here in

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Speaker 4: just a second. Mku battles IU Indy.

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Speaker 1: That game.

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Speaker 4: That game tips off at six thirty, right, so pregame

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Speaker 4: coverage starts as soon as we're done. At six o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Wow, all right, So we're gonna send it.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna like hand it off to Jim Kelch and

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Speaker 4: Rick Brooring in Indy NKU looking for a second consecutive

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Speaker 4: victory taking on an IU Indie team that is dead

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Speaker 4: last in the Horizon League with a three to twelve

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Speaker 4: league mark seven to nineteen overall. There you go, Norris

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Speaker 4: should get a road victory tonight. Speaking of the Norse,

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Speaker 4: Rick Brooring was on the show yesterday to discuss Xavier

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Speaker 4: and NKU basketball. That conversation was terrific. Also really enjoyed

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Speaker 4: chatting with the new defensive coordinator at the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Nate Woodie.

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Speaker 4: Nate Woody is, to use the parlance of the day,

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Speaker 4: a football guy like I was at his press conference

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Speaker 4: because they gave me a chance to interview him, and

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Speaker 4: they said, why don't you come down and talk to

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Speaker 4: him after the press conference? Dude is like breaking down

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Speaker 4: individual schemes. He did a little of that with us

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Speaker 4: and a whole bunch of other stuff. So listen to

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Speaker 1: It took the goal off the board.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Wow, all right, goalie interference on JT. Miller and so

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Speaker 4: the game remains tied at one a piece, nineteen away

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Speaker 4: from four o'clock. I oh, I got an email here, Eileen.

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Speaker 4: Eileen says she is a loyal listener to this show

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Speaker 4: in Sincy three point sixty, but she has to get

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Speaker 4: a pet peeve off her chest. She can't stand it

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Speaker 4: when announcers and hosts refer to basketball as hoops. That's

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Speaker 4: so a whole bunch of other stuff in his email too.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And she's very very nice, she says, I'm not the

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Speaker 4: worst defender, but it sticks in her crawl. It galls her.

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Speaker 4: It says, when announcers and hosts refer to basketball as hoops,

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Speaker 4: can we just call it college basketball and not college hoops?

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Speaker 2: Eileen?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think hoops is pretty common part of our vernacular

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Speaker 4: when we refer to the sport of basketball.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how often do people say, I'm watching hoops.

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Speaker 1: What you're doing to night watching hoops? Playing hoops? I

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Speaker 1: think more people say they play hoops than watchops, but.

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Speaker 3: I leen watch hoops. They don't they play hoops.

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Speaker 4: No, I guess you're right about that. You're right about that,

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Speaker 4: tarn I stand corrected. Nobody ever says I'm playing hoops now.

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Speaker 4: Some might say all back in high school I played hoops,

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Speaker 4: but nobody says like, uh, uh tonight, uh, we're playing

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Speaker 4: hoops over thirty rec league hoops.

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Speaker 1: Nobody says that.

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Speaker 4: All right, Eileen, I'm gonna do my best because, uh,

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Speaker 4: you've kind of requested it. She really hasn't requested it.

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Speaker 4: She has just pointed it out that she doesn't like it. So, uh,

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Speaker 4: because we aim to please, we're gonna do what we

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Speaker 4: can to. No longer refer to basketball as hoops. Now,

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Speaker 4: can we call hockey pucks? Like when I go to

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Speaker 4: a Cyclones game, sometimes I'll tweet out like Saturday night pucks.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, right, I don't know. Five point three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty. That's this is the hard hitting stuff that

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Speaker 4: we dive into. Chad brendle On, you see basketball next.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Moger.

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Speaker 4: Chad Rendel's here because it's Thursday, and on Thursdays we

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Speaker 4: talked with Chad about UC football and basketball.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Chad, I'm a ager.

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Speaker 4: Who were those guys in the black uniforms last night

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Speaker 4: in Manhattan?

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Speaker 9: That's what it looks like when you shoot sixty from three.

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Speaker 9: We saw two games in a row now, so you know,

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Speaker 9: just another six games to go. If they keep shooting

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Speaker 9: like that, I think we'll have a change narrative on

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Speaker 9: this season and they're not going to keep shooting like that.

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Speaker 4: But unfortunately, I think you're right. Would you give them

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Speaker 4: any chance against Kansas or Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: If it was at home?

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Speaker 9: Maybe going into fall Allen Field House and then following

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Speaker 9: that with a trip to Lubbock.

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Speaker 11: Not a lot of fun. Not a lot of fun.

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Speaker 9: But I don't know that they hadn't won a game

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Speaker 9: on the road all year and now they've got one mo.

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Speaker 9: So you know, maybe there's more upon the horizon.

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Speaker 4: Do you think there's something to the suggestion that this

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Speaker 4: team is better equipped to win and play the way

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Speaker 4: they did because they're forced to play with fewer guys.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's something to it. They've clearly looked

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Speaker 9: better with a much shorter rotation, and I do think

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Speaker 9: it's one of the things, like, you know, when Wes

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Speaker 9: looks back at this ten years from now, you didn't

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Speaker 9: need as many guys. Like I understand you want to

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Speaker 9: protect yourself against injury and whatever, but we look around

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Speaker 9: this league, though we talk about it, we do Big

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Speaker 9: twelve kind of you know, look ins twice a week

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Speaker 9: on the Nightcap, our nightly show on YouTube, and when

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Speaker 9: you start looking at team by team and box scores.

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Speaker 9: This team plays six guys. This team plays seven guys.

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Speaker 9: This team and played six guys, and there's not a

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Speaker 9: whole lot of teams in this conference. It's working for Arizona,

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Speaker 9: who play eight, but they don't go any deeper than eight.

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Speaker 9: And most of these teams, when you look their starters,

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Speaker 9: their best players are playing thirty plus minutes to night.

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Speaker 9: And I think it's a strategy that West had coming

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Speaker 9: up that at the highest level, just especially in the

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Speaker 9: NIL era, go pay for five or six good players

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Speaker 9: and roll the ball out there and see what you got.

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Speaker 4: What's the rationale behind playing so many, which he typically does.

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Speaker 9: Getting through a season, you know, keeping keeping guys fresh

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Speaker 9: and the other they got one of the flaws with it,

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Speaker 9: mo Is. I think when he developed that strategy at

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Speaker 9: UNC Greensboro, they pressed and then they ran and they

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Speaker 9: they you know, they they had a need probably to

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Speaker 9: run bodies in and out to war teams down. This

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Speaker 9: team plays at a pretty slow pace. You know, they

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Speaker 9: tried it during the non conference, but as soon as

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Speaker 9: you know, the level of competition ramped up, we saw

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Speaker 9: the pace drop considerably. If you're not playing a you know,

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Speaker 9: a top thirty pace in the sport, and most of

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Speaker 9: your possessions are are going to be twenty plus seconds

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Speaker 9: on offense and on defense. I just don't think it's

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Speaker 9: necessary and I don't think it's feasible when you're working

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Speaker 9: with essentially you know, a fixed number of dollars to

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Speaker 9: build your team. I don't think it's smart to play eight, nine,

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Speaker 9: ten guys. You pay your top six or seven guys

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Speaker 9: and you see what happens now injuries, of course, like

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Speaker 9: if something bad happens, you're in trouble. But guess what

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Speaker 9: if you lose your number three guy and you're replacing

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Speaker 9: with your number nine guy, you're probably in trouble anyway.

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Speaker 4: There have been times I've watched Keishawn Tillery this year

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Speaker 4: and I've thought that guy can't play at the Big

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Speaker 4: twelve level. There have been times I've watched him this

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Speaker 4: year and I've thought I would really love to have

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Speaker 4: him as a junior, which is more accurate.

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Speaker 9: I think it's the I would love to have him

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Speaker 9: as a junior because I think I don't ever feel

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Speaker 9: like he's like physically outmatched. It seems mental like the

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Speaker 9: turnovers last night, He's just standing by the sideline.

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Speaker 2: It just dribbles the.

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Speaker 11: Ball out of bounds, like I don't know that I've

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Speaker 11: ever seen that.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 9: He had a couple other ones where one of his

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Speaker 9: big problems is boy and you talk about giving mc

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Speaker 9: cronin an aneurysm. You've gotten to listen to McK cronan

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Speaker 9: over the years when you were down in that space.

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Speaker 9: There's nothing he hats more than a guy that gets

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Speaker 9: up in the air and then tries to pass. And

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Speaker 9: Keishan Tillery does that much. He's too good to put

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Speaker 9: himself in that type of distress, just make a sad

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Speaker 9: like he came in and had two really good a

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Speaker 9: fifth when he first came in yesterday, and then it

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Speaker 9: was like he was he was trying to because maybe

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Speaker 9: they had a big lead. He was trying to put

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Speaker 9: a little mustard on it, if you will. I don't

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Speaker 9: know what it was, but he definitely had one of

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Speaker 9: the tougher nights last night, turning the ball over just

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Speaker 9: for no reason.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no pressure on the ball, not really trying

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Speaker 4: to make a play.

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Speaker 1: And you get that.

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Speaker 4: You also get these stretches and they're brief, but they're

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Speaker 4: impossible to not notice of two or three minutes where

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Speaker 4: you could see him make multiple plays on both ends

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Speaker 4: of the floor. And that's where it's like, it's just

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Speaker 4: tantalizing enough. And then there are stretches where I'm like,

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Speaker 4: the dude is just not good enough with the ball

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Speaker 4: to get major minutes at this level.

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Speaker 1: So I go back and forth.

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Speaker 9: He's the one guy that can really get in the paint,

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Speaker 9: get in the teeth of the defense off the dribble consistently,

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Speaker 9: and I think that's why we're.

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Speaker 2: Tantalized by him.

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Speaker 11: He can.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's got a great first step, he's he's.

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Speaker 2: Good with the ball off the bounce.

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Speaker 9: But it's when he tried to do too much passing

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Speaker 9: that that's really given him trouble. And don't dribble the

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Speaker 9: ball in the out of bounds line when you're just

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Speaker 9: standing there dribbling. I would coach him not to do that.

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Speaker 1: That would be that would be smart coaching.

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Speaker 4: What what what were and are your impressions of new

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Speaker 4: defensive coordinator Nate Woodie.

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Speaker 9: Is there anything that comes to your mind more than

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Speaker 9: old school? No, that is an old school defensive coach man.

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Speaker 1: Old school ball coach.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Yeah, I thought his explanation of his defense was

654
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Speaker 9: really good. How he wants to play, what he wants

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Speaker 9: to do. I mean he's given us like this guy's

656
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 9: gonna do this seventy percent of the time and this

657
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 9: guy's gonna do this thirty percent of the time. I

658
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 9: thought it set a great bar for what we're gonna see.

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Speaker 9: We talked about this a lot last night on the

660
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Speaker 9: BCJ podcast. I don't know who's gonna go where on

661
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 9: defense yet. Like, that's one of the things I'm really

662
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Speaker 9: fascinated to see in the spring, is how the pieces

663
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Speaker 9: to the puzzle fit together. But I mean, when when

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Speaker 9: you've created your own the East Coast three four was

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Speaker 9: created by Nate Woodie.

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Speaker 12: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like the guy he's got.

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Speaker 9: You know that Bill Walsh was pretty good, Yes, the

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Speaker 9: West Coast offense.

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Speaker 11: This guy's got the East Coast defense, like I'm in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all that was missing the other day at his

672
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: press conference was a whiteboard and I was half expecting

673
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: like someone to roll one in and he was just gonna, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, draw it up for us.

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Speaker 1: It was, Uh, it was interesting, It was it was fun.

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Speaker 9: Didn't it feel like.

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Speaker 11: He needed like a diet coke or something.

678
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Speaker 9: Like a whiteboard and a diet coke, and that guy

679
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Speaker 9: would have been in habit.

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Speaker 4: That and that and maybe like a styrofoam cup to

681
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Speaker 4: spit out his dip juice in or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought I thought he was.

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Speaker 9: I really enjoyed talking ball with him, if you will.

685
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Speaker 9: I thought it was a a very good session. And

686
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Speaker 9: it sounds like like a BCJ, Like you had a

687
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 9: live seat for a BCJ podcast. It was just me

688
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 9: and Keegan Pepper and Cyderfields.

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Speaker 4: Great what you just sat back and I'm like, you

690
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: know what, I don't have to do anything. This is awesome.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed that I had him on the show this

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Speaker 4: weekend and that was fun as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always great.

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Speaker 2: Jat too, had a good weekend, you too.

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Speaker 1: That's our guy.

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Speaker 4: Chad Brendel bearcat Journal dot com on Twitter at Bearcat Journal.

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Speaker 1: Everything you need to know.

699
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Speaker 4: About UC sports after last night's basketball victory over Kansas State?

700
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Speaker 4: Can the Bengals play nice? Can Trey Hendrickson play nice?

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Speaker 4: We'll get to that incredible sports talk radio question when

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Speaker 4: we come back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: This is Jim Hello.

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Speaker 9: One thousand dollars just entered this nationwide keyword on our website.

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Speaker 1: Pay that's pay.

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Speaker 6: Hey hey, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: So can the Bengals Trey Hendrickson's agent figure out a

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Speaker 4: way to work together?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's me, ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 4: We'll jump back into the baseball a little bit later

711
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 4: on and the least surprising development of all time coming

712
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Speaker 4: up in just about thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Plus.

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Speaker 4: We'll keep you up to day on what's happening in

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Speaker 4: the hockey tilt between the US and Latvia. It is

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Speaker 4: tied at one. They're in the middle of the first intermission.

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Speaker 4: Our friend James Rapine Fro Bengals Talk dot com writes

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Speaker 4: a piece today that outlines why and how the Bengals

719
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Speaker 4: could get a deal done with Trey Hendrickson that involves

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Speaker 4: the franchise tag and a trade. And he makes it

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Speaker 4: sound very, very easy, and I feel like it can

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Speaker 4: be if everybody can just behave like an adult. So

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna give away all of James's content. It's

724
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Speaker 4: free you so to go read it for yourself. But

725
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Speaker 4: he kind of outlines like you get the two sides

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Speaker 4: to communicate. Bengals can tag Trey anytime between the seventeenth

727
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Speaker 4: of February and March third, So within that window there's

728
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Speaker 4: time to sit down with Trey Hendrickson's agent and make

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Speaker 4: it clear of their intentions. And once that's been done,

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Speaker 4: the Bengals can start talking with other teams about trade compensation,

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Speaker 4: what they might be able to get a return. And

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Speaker 4: then once the Bengals front office locks in on terms compensation,

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Speaker 4: then they can give Trey Hendrickson's agent permission to talk

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Speaker 4: with other teams. And these are the sort of conversations

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Speaker 4: and James points this out. Have these conversations during the

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Speaker 4: combine later on this month before the illegal tampering period begins.

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Speaker 1: So can that.

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Speaker 4: Happen theoretically yes, Realistically, I don't know what you're hoping

739
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: for here would be that these two sides and the

740
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: last two years we joke about it often on this show,

741
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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson has been a treasure trove of content. You know,

742
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 4: this job is never hard. I often make it sound hard,

743
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: but there are some days that are easier than others

744
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: because on some days, you know, the topics sort of

745
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 4: reveal themselves. It's not hard to figure out what you

746
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 4: should talk about. There are some days where it's maybe

747
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 4: not quite as easy. But because of Trey Hendrickson and

748
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: the Bengals for years now, there's always been something. There's

749
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Speaker 4: been his you know, him showing up at practice during

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Speaker 4: Ota last year and kind of grandstanding and talking with

751
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 4: everybody in the media. There have been holdouts into training

752
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: camp and then he shows up a training camp and

753
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 4: just a trade request. There's been a lot of meat

754
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: on that bone, and there's still some meat on it

755
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: for us, There's been a lot there. But during this

756
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Speaker 4: entire stretch, it has often felt like, for whatever reason,

757
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Speaker 4: that these two sides just don't work well with each other,

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Speaker 4: or that there's maybe some acrimony or bad feelings.

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Speaker 1: Or ill will.

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Speaker 4: And to a degree, you can understand why, Like if

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Speaker 4: you're Trey, you know, hey, man, I've done what I

762
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: was brought here to do, and you know I want

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Speaker 4: to be paid like one of the very best at

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Speaker 4: what I do. You can understand that. You can understand

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Speaker 4: some resentment for the Bengals not doing that, and you

766
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 4: could also understand the Bengals back when Trey signed that

767
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: won year extension for the twenty twenty five season, going like, dude,

768
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Speaker 4: if if you wanted to make more money, if you

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Speaker 4: wanted some more flaw flexibility, if you wanted a long

770
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: term deal, you shouldn't have signed a contract extension for

771
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 4: one year with us. So it feels like some hurt feelings.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not some bad feelings, but some hurt feelings. Realistically,

773
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Speaker 4: do we believe that the two sides individually could set

774
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Speaker 4: aside those hurt feelings, can set aside those bad feelings

775
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Speaker 4: and cooperate with the other side and just be an

776
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Speaker 4: adult about this, Like, just be an adult about this.

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Speaker 4: If you're Trey Hendrickson's agent, just be an adult about this.

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00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: If you are Duke Toobin, Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, et cetera. Trey,

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Speaker 4: we don't have any intention of you being on this

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Speaker 4: team this coming season. We haven't had any intention of

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Speaker 4: you being on this team in twenty twenty six for

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Speaker 4: a while. If that is not by now abundantly clear,

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00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 4: not sure what else I could tell you, But while

784
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 4: you may leave, and while we don't have plans for

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Speaker 4: you on this team this year because we have concerns

786
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Speaker 4: about age and injury or both.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we want.

788
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Speaker 4: To maximize on an asset and you're you're still an asset.

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Speaker 4: We want to maximize on that asset by getting draft

790
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 4: compensation for this year in return for you. And so

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00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 4: let's let's make it abundantly clear what we intend and

792
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: what we're hoping to accomplish. No, no, we don't want

793
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: you to play for us. Sorry, that ship has sailed.

794
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 4: But yes, we want to be able to get something

795
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Speaker 4: that helps us this coming season, that helps us build

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Speaker 4: the roster.

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Speaker 1: And we want that draft pick that we can get

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Speaker 1: for you. Okay, cool?

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Speaker 4: And then ideally, Trey Hendrickson's agents like, all right, fine,

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Speaker 4: let's figure out a way to broker a deal. Let's

801
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 4: let's let's figure out a way to broker a deal.

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00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: You go ahead and find the team that's going to

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Speaker 4: trade for him, and then once you do, I get

804
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 4: to negotiate with them and we hammer out a long

805
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 4: term contract. Is it unrestricted free agency?

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Speaker 1: No, it's not.

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00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: But like it or not, the NFL and the NFL

808
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: Players Association have long agreed to let the franchise tag

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Speaker 4: be a thing. So you might not like it. I

810
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 4: know players hate the franchise tag. You might not love it,

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Speaker 4: might not love it for your client. Ideally, yes, you

812
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Speaker 4: hit free agency and you could take your pick among

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Speaker 4: whichever teams are going to sign you. But that's not

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Speaker 4: how it works. The Bengals have at their disposal and

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Speaker 4: assets something that they could use to their benefit. It's

816
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: the franchise tag. Why then would you not use it?

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00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: I think we should be on board with this. I

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Speaker 4: think we should be on board with the idea that

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Speaker 4: the Bengals could use what is at their disposal. And again,

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Speaker 4: if you don't like the franchise tag, then the league

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Speaker 4: and the Players Association can talk about that moving forward

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Speaker 4: when they get to the next CBA.

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Speaker 1: But they do have it. It's there.

824
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Speaker 4: They could use it, so can every other team. Why

825
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: don't you use that? Why don't you use that? And

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Speaker 4: then just sit down like adults and go, hey, here's

827
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Speaker 4: the reality of where we are. Maybe in your world,

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00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson's agent, maybe in an ideal world for you

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Speaker 4: and your client, you hit under an unrestricted free agency

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Speaker 4: and you could just take your pick. But that's not

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Speaker 4: how it works. We have this tool at our disposal

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00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: that we can use to benefit us, and we got

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00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 4: to take care of us our priority is us. Even

834
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Speaker 4: if you're not a part of us, we can use

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Speaker 4: you to make us better. So understanding that putting our

836
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: cards on the table, let's figure out a way to

837
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Speaker 4: get Trey to a place where he has a deal

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00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: that he's happy with and we can get something in

839
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: exchange for him. There's the question, can these two sides

840
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: act like adults? Could these two sides work with each

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00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 4: other to get what they're looking for. Trey is looking

842
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: for a long term contract. Again, he might not have

843
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: total control over where he gets that contract to the

844
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: Bengals do franchise tag him, And you know, my understanding

845
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 4: is like this is something that is being actively kicked

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 4: around at the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium.

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00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: But there it is these two sides that have been

848
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: at odds with each other that obviously haven't seen eye

849
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Speaker 4: to eye when it comes to Trey Hendrickson's long term value.

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00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: You know this, this happens in life where sometimes you

851
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: just got to decide, we're going to be an adult here,

852
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 4: We're going to understand what parameters we're working within. You

853
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: can hate the franchise tag, but it's there. It's it's there,

854
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 4: and it's there to benefit teams. There's a reason why

855
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 4: players hate the franchise tag. So if you're the Bengals

856
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: and it's there, it's a tool that you could use.

857
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: How do you not use it? You're gonna need some cooperation,

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00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: and that's where it can get messy. That's where it

859
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: can get janky, and that's where things could get complicated.

860
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 4: But if if everybody can be an adult here, if

861
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 4: everybody can be mature, if everybody can put their hard

862
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: feelings aside, there's no reason why this can't happen. That

863
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: allows both sides to get pretty close to what they're

864
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: looking for. Bengals get a draft pick, Trey gets his deal,

865
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Speaker 4: and by the way, everything you have come to know

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00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 4: about these two sides, everything you have come to know

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Speaker 4: about this process, everything you have come to know about

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Speaker 4: the way things have unfolded for the last couple of seasons,

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Speaker 4: would I think lead you to believe that there's no

870
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: chance that Trey will instantly sign the franchise tag offer.

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00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 4: So if everybody could just be an adult here and

872
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Speaker 4: work with each other and work to achieve an outcome

873
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Speaker 4: that's beneficial to both parties. What is the argument against

874
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Speaker 4: tagging and trading Trey if you believe the market will

875
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: be there, and despite his injury last year, despite his age,

876
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 4: despite what other factors, it feels like there will be

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Speaker 4: a market for him. Why don't you want to capitalize

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Speaker 4: on that market to get something that can help you

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Speaker 4: this year? The NFL is going to give you the

880
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: tool of a franchise tag. This is a moment where

881
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 4: you could use it to your benefit. Can you work

882
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Speaker 4: with the other party to get something done for you

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Speaker 4: and for him? Quarter after four five point three, seven

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Speaker 4: The goal scoring with the goals being taken away is

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Speaker 4: slowed down considerably in this game, and still one to

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Speaker 4: one the US and Latvia thirteen to go in the

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Speaker 4: second period. Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty

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Speaker 4: is our phone number. By the way, tomorrow. In the show,

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Speaker 4: our friend Mike de Coursi, Mike de Corsi's least favorite

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Speaker 4: type of segment is the segment that we're bringing him

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Speaker 4: on to do. The segment that is about people who

913
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Speaker 4: have not had time to watch college basketball through the

914
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: first three and a half months of the season because

915
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Speaker 4: they've been so wrapped up in football, And it's when

916
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 4: you're a football fan, you don't just watch the games,

917
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 4: you're breaking down film. You know, you're you're ignoring your

918
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Speaker 4: family like a good football guy does.

919
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Speaker 1: You're you're just you're crunching a bunch of data.

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Speaker 4: You don't have time for other stuff, of time for anything,

921
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Speaker 4: much less college basketball. But then the season ends and

922
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Speaker 4: it's like, well, what else is going on? Oh hey,

923
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: and then we get we bring in Mike to kind

924
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Speaker 4: of get people caught up on what's been happening in

925
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Speaker 4: college basketball. That's really not what we're gonna do. Tomorrow

926
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Speaker 4: will be the first time we've ever had Mike de

927
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Speaker 4: Corsi on and start the conversation by asking about the

928
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Speaker 4: Miami RedHawks, who play Ohio you tomorrow at Mallett Hall

929
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Speaker 4: or as some call it, Millet Hall, and we'll ask

930
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: him the question that right now is, you know, one

931
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 4: of the bigger questions in the entire sport if Miami

932
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: does finish the regular season undefeated. And like, I hate

933
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: that we do this sometimes we as a UC fan,

934
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: we did this with the college football Playoff in two

935
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Speaker 4: tenty twenty one, where we just decide to get preemptively

936
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 4: angry and when I say we, I was guilty of

937
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 4: it at times, not as often as others, but we

938
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Speaker 4: decide to get preemptively angry. What's gonna happen if they

939
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 4: go undefeated and don't make the college football Playoff? Now,

940
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Speaker 4: you know they're in the Big twelve, so it's a

941
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: twelve team field, so don't worry about it. But back then,

942
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: which it does feel like forever ago in the AAC,

943
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 4: what if they do and you know they were like

944
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Speaker 4: six and oh, seven and zero, and folks were already

945
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Speaker 4: ready to be pissed, And it's like, all right, fine,

946
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: but how about first of all, like they finished the

947
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Speaker 4: regular season win all their games. Also, can we just

948
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: enjoy the fact that our team is this good? And so,

949
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Speaker 4: like with Miami, the biggest story involves a scenario that

950
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: still is not.

951
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: The most likely outcome.

952
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 4: They go undefeated and lose in the conference tournament title game.

953
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Speaker 4: And I almost sense among people who love Miami University

954
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Speaker 4: like your team is undefeated, your team is the only

955
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 4: undefeated team. This program has enjoyed a great resurgence. Campus

956
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 4: community has really fired up offensively, They're really fun to watch,

957
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: likable team, embody a lot of things that people say

958
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Speaker 4: they love about college basketball a lot of continuity from

959
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Speaker 4: last year, and it's like, instead of enjoying the moment,

960
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: it's work yourself up in a lather to get angry

961
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Speaker 4: in the event that they go undefeated and then losing

962
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Speaker 4: the MAC title game. And again, like it's the biggest

963
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 4: question in the sport right now. Like Arizona lost, Arizona

964
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: is probably still gonna be a one seed, Arizona is

965
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Speaker 4: gonna have very short odds within a national title. Like

966
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Speaker 4: they are good. And so we'll start with that topic

967
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Speaker 4: with Mike de Corsi tomorrow at four thirty three, and

968
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Speaker 4: I am looking forward to that twenty four after four o'clock.

969
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: Thanks to those who have been waiting patiently while I

970
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 4: have babbled incense incessantly.

971
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Speaker 2: Uh.

972
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Speaker 4: And at the moment, I've entangled myself off, myself up

973
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Speaker 4: in my headphone court.

974
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: So that's good, that's professional, that's a good look. Ian.

975
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Speaker 4: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty, Well, I get untangled. Go

976
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Speaker 4: ahead and talk.

977
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Speaker 13: Hey man, I'm intrigued when you're talking about Trey and

978
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Speaker 13: the tag and I'm just I forgot was the tag

979
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Speaker 13: on him? Like twenty five thousand?

980
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Speaker 1: Uh, twenty five thousand.

981
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Speaker 13: Or wait, I got the numbers wrong. I'm sorry, Like

982
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Speaker 13: just the tag amount to do.

983
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Speaker 4: That with if he if he played, if he played

984
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Speaker 4: under the tag himount, the dollar figure would be around

985
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Speaker 4: thirty million dollars.

986
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Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, my mind was gone.

987
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: Sorry, jo I just.

988
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 13: I'm sitting there weighing like the factors. Okay, they sat

989
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 13: there and tried to shop them for a first round.

990
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 13: We talked about this all year and then nobody wanted

991
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 13: to fight. So it's like second at best with his

992
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 13: cooperation with the agent or.

993
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 9: If you don't tag.

994
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 13: Them, is that like money that's in there, you know,

995
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 13: bank that they could use to just start early signings

996
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 13: on some of the guys that they know that they.

997
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: Need to keep.

998
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 13: And that was like really my main question here is

999
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 13: you know it's it's March, well is it or thirteenth?

1000
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 13: I mean you got about a month till till March

1001
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 13: night comes up. When when would be the latest that

1002
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 13: they should start taking care of the easy things because

1003
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 13: you know how they get, man, they get all bundled

1004
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 13: up when they have to deal with t and Jamar

1005
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 13: and they can't do anything. It's like, do they really

1006
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 13: just not have that kind of tension, like I feel

1007
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 13: like I'm like it's time, but they are they just

1008
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 13: sitting there like, no, we got time?

1009
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: Ye, fair question.

1010
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 13: It's intriguing the way they operate.

1011
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's one word you could use, Like, you know,

1012
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 4: don't Riisner should already be done right like that the

1013
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 4: season has been over more than I'm on, he says

1014
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 4: he wants to be here, like this is the the

1015
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 4: layup of all lamps. This is the the easiest decision

1016
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: you have and it hasn't gotten done yet. And you know,

1017
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 4: with other teams you might say, look, don't worry about it,

1018
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 4: it will get done. But why would you give the

1019
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 4: Bengals the benefit of the doubt? And so like I

1020
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 4: viewed Dax Hill and uh and DJ Turner as relative layups.

1021
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: Now you have to get them to want to sign, right.

1022
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: I mean you could offer them Uh, you could offer

1023
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 4: to overpay him, and at the end of the day,

1024
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 4: if they decide I just don't want to sign here

1025
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: long term right now, then there's nothing you can do

1026
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 4: about it. But like, there are a handful of things

1027
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 4: that you would love to see them get done before March.

1028
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: Kids here just to streamline the entire offseason.

1029
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: Well, there we go, hang on, we gotta goal, we

1030
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: gotta goal. The US is back on top. Sorry, we

1031
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: gotta blow the horn. Is that Nelton?

1032
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

1033
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: Was that brock Nelson. Brock Nelson finds the back of

1034
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 4: the net at the nine to twenty two mark of

1035
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: the second period in the US. Latvia is not gonna

1036
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: challenge this, right, it's it's legitimately two to one, all right,

1037
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 4: two to one. The US leads Latvia nine to twenty

1038
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 4: two to go in the second. So, like, there's a

1039
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff. They have a lot of things

1040
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 4: on their to do list in life. I think you

1041
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: cross off the ones that are easier to do or

1042
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 4: the ones that you can do first first. And until

1043
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: they do that, you wonder, how are they gonna make

1044
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 4: the offseason more complex? You know, even with t Higgins

1045
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: and Jamar Chase early in the offseason last year.

1046
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: It's still dragged too long.

1047
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: And then by their own admission, they couldn't entirely focus

1048
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 4: their energy and effort and time on on free agency.

1049
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: So like you start there, But the Trey Hendrickson thing,

1050
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 4: like I don't know, Oh, you could tag him, you

1051
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: could work with him, and if the market's not there,

1052
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 4: you rescind the tag and he's a free agent.

1053
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so you.

1054
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 13: Can kind of back off of the.

1055
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you make it. You kind of make

1056
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 4: it known. Look, we have no intention of you playing

1057
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: for us. We understand you want a long term deal.

1058
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 4: It's not going to happen here. You are betting on

1059
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 4: the likelihood that Trey doesn't sign the franchise tag offer,

1060
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 4: which nobody believes that he will. In the short term,

1061
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 4: you try to figure out who wants him, what could

1062
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 4: I get, and then can Tray and his agent workout

1063
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 4: a deal with that team. In the absence of that happening,

1064
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: you're still operating under the assumption that he's not going

1065
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 4: to play for you, and then if the market doesn't materialize,

1066
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: you resin the tag, he hits free agency, and you

1067
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: are good.

1068
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1069
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 13: Man, I'll leave you with this. I just wonder if

1070
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 13: some of these guys, do they not see it the

1071
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 13: way we would see it about like signing early. Do

1072
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 13: they their internal insights, you know, like they think they

1073
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 13: just go get somebody else, some other middle tier guy

1074
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 13: and let let these guys walk. If not, I just

1075
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 13: don't understand how you didn't learn some kind of lesson

1076
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 13: about saving money and being preemptive. I mean, we talked

1077
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 13: about this last year.

1078
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 11: Here we are again.

1079
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 13: And if they don't do that, I don't care if

1080
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 13: they get two or three good defensive cre agents, I'll

1081
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 13: give them a B minus. You know, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 13: give you no A if you're not gonna like learn.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's it's it's fair. Can can they

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00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: thank you very much?

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Speaker 4: Can they apply some lessons from failures of the past

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Speaker 4: to doing things better in the future, and like, can

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Speaker 4: can you look at DJ Turner and Dax SILINGI you

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Speaker 4: know what, we don't want this to be something long

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Speaker 4: and drawn out, something that you know, bleeds into training camp.

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Speaker 4: We don't want either one of these to turn into

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Speaker 4: something that's that's acrimonious. We want to figure out a

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Speaker 4: way to keep them. We want to pay them their

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Speaker 4: market value. We want them to, you know, get what

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Speaker 4: you expect to get if you get your second contract.

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Speaker 4: But we want those guys here and we just we

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Speaker 4: don't want there to be any uncertainty hovering over either

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Speaker 4: guy's future.

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Speaker 1: Now. DJ Turner may say, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I'd really love to have a great year and

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Speaker 4: then see what happens and put you in a position

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Speaker 4: where you have to franchise tag me or maybe I

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Speaker 4: hit free agency, or if I sign a long term

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Speaker 4: deal with you, my asking price goes up, and maybe

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Speaker 4: Dax Hill says like, I don't know, man, I want

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Speaker 4: to have a great year at outside corner and then,

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe see what the market might have.

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Speaker 1: In store for me.

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Speaker 4: You can't make those players sign, but I just I

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 4: can't help but think that there's some sort of middle

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Speaker 4: ground where the player goes, you know what, that's enough

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Speaker 4: long term security, I'll sign. And yet the Bengals get

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Speaker 4: those guys at market deals that avoid any sort of

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Speaker 4: I don't know, hassle with either guy, and you're not

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Speaker 4: overpaying down the road like these are. You got to

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Speaker 4: make your layups. Dalton Reisner is a layup. Some have

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Speaker 4: called Joe Flacco a layup. I'm not sure that's as

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Speaker 4: much of a layup. I'm I think they should be

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Speaker 4: willing to look at other alternatives at backup quarterback. Joe's

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Speaker 4: a cool story, but is there a better younger player

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Speaker 4: available that makes sense for you?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: But the layups are I think re Reisner and Hill

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Speaker 4: and Turner. I think Chase Brown's a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a different story because of the position that he plays

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Speaker 4: and because of the position that he plays on this team.

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Speaker 4: But the Hendrickson thing, like, if you and his agent

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Speaker 4: can act like adults, put whatever personal differences that exist

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Speaker 4: behind you, can you figure out a way to find

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Speaker 4: a scenario that's beneficial to you running the Bengals and

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Speaker 4: to Trey where he finds a contract on a home

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Speaker 4: to his liking. Would love to think that the answer

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Speaker 4: can be yes. I'm not entirely convinced it can be

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Speaker 4: because of just the weirdness of these two sides with

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Speaker 4: each other. We're late twenty eight away from five o'clock

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Speaker 4: five point three, seven four nine, fifteen thirty. More on

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Speaker 4: college hoops coming up. Don't forget NKU basketball tonight as

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Speaker 4: the Norse take on IU Indianapolis as soon as we're

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Speaker 4: done at six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 6: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Traffic this report.

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Speaker 4: Hey, why are they sweating on that show? Two guys

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Speaker 4: talking about sports? Why is their sweat? I mean sometimes

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Speaker 4: in the room that I'm in right now, it's like

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Speaker 4: a thousand degrees because when they redid these studios, they

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Speaker 4: didn't account for, you know, people's comfort. But that's neither

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Speaker 4: here nor there anyway Tomorrow. Since he three sixty at noon,

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Speaker 4: games because he's got a hamstring issue. Bad news for him,

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Speaker 4: but it gives us a chance to say the name

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Speaker 4: days away from the first Cactus League game, Reds and

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Speaker 4: Guardians A week from Saturday. College basketball Tonight, NKU is

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01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 4: on the road against IU Indianapolis. The Norse, coming off

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Speaker 4: their home win over Milwaukee on Saturday, tips off at

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Speaker 4: six thirty.

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Speaker 1: Tonight.

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Speaker 4: Pregame coverage on ESPN fifteen thirty begins at six pm.

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Speaker 4: The Norse trying to get back to five hundred in

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 4: league play at eight to eight, taking on an IU

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Speaker 4: Indianapolis team that is a woefull three and twelve in

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Speaker 4: the league. It's pretty much all I got for local

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Speaker 4: sports head lines. Let's let's play this audio because it's

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01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 4: it's made the rounds. You know, there's there's a lot

1178
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 4: of former Pittsburgh Steelers that none of us want to like,

1179
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 4: and on that list is Joey Porter. But he's making

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01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 4: it hard because of some recent comments about his team's

1181
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 4: former quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

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01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 14: He broke the brotherhood, then seven definitely broke the brotherhood, because.

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01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: Like, that's the one I don't see that did that.

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it now. It is crazy, like

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01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: anybody should talk.

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01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 14: He should never grab a microphone and really talk still

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 14: a business because if we talk and still a business,

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01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 14: his ass is file of all foul like that he's dead,

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01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 14: it's foul of all foule.

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Speaker 10: He's not a good teammate?

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: Won super Bowl? Would he?

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 14: But the person he's just not a good teammate. Like

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01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 14: he knows that. Anybody in the Steller building knows that.

1194
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 14: But we protected him because I've only won one.

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01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and that was my quarterback. So do I

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Speaker 1: love my quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But is he a good person?

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Speaker 13: No?

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Speaker 4: All right, there's Joey Porter on Cam Hayward's podcast talking

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01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 4: about Ben Roethlisberger. He would He would go on to

1202
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 4: say that players had previously voted for team captains when

1203
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 4: he was with the Steelers, but when Ben became the

1204
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 4: starting quarterback, he was named team captain without any voting because.

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Speaker 11: Coach is new.

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Speaker 1: All what we got? Power play goal for the US

1207
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: flags are being waived? All right, I didn't see who

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: scored that?

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01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 4: Tatee Thompson three one US two twenty five to go

1210
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 4: in the second period. Over Now, they're not gonna challenge

1211
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 4: that one. Are they so anyway they would just make

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Speaker 4: Ben Roethlisberger captain without having a vote, because Porter says,

1213
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Speaker 4: you know, they knew teammates would not vote him a captain.

1214
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Speaker 4: In fact, he said, quote, if he wasn't a captain,

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Speaker 4: he'd probably throw a hissy fit. Nobody's gonna vote for

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Speaker 4: him for captain because he doesn't have captain qualities. I'm

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Speaker 4: not supposed to want to like Joey Porter. I didn't

1218
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 4: like him as a player, obviously didn't like him as

1219
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 4: a coach. Stop saying things that make me like you,

1220
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 4: Joey Porter. Here's my question. Has there ever been an athlete,

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Speaker 4: current or former that you've been less surprised to hear

1222
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 4: about being a bad teammate Ben Roethlisberger, Like, I don't

1223
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 4: have a ton of Steelers fans in my life, but

1224
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 4: I have some most of us do. Like if you

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01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 4: even if you say to them, like, you know, how

1226
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 4: you feel about Ben Roethlisberger, for the most part, they'll

1227
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 4: they'll be honest. Like you know, it's we used to

1228
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 4: say about Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton, who by all accounts,

1229
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 4: great teammate, great person, just limited skill. But we used

1230
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 4: to talk about like the Andy Dalton face when he

1231
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 4: was the Bengals quarterback. We would play this game where

1232
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 4: I'd say, like, hey, you know, walk around your workplace

1233
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 4: or you know, wherever you hang out and ask people

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01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 4: how they feel about Andy Dalton. Before they answer, they

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Speaker 4: will make a face. I think Steelers fans when they're

1236
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 4: asked about Ben Roethlisberger, in my experience, they usually make

1237
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Speaker 4: a sound first.

1238
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: It's, you know, like something like that, like a man.

1239
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: He is our team's quarterback and they have won a

1241
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 4: bunch with them, but I know he's a rotten dude.

1242
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 4: There has never been an athlete that you've been less

1243
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 4: surprised to hear from a former teammate about how bad

1244
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 4: of a teammate they are than Ben Roethlisberger. Like, I

1245
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 4: love this, I love this, And I have never listened

1246
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 4: to a minute of Ben Roethlisberger's podcast. I can't think

1247
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 4: of anything I'd rather do less. I'd rather chew on

1248
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 4: pieces of broken glass than listen to Ben Roethlisberger talk

1249
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 4: about anything.

1250
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe I'm gonna get high end insight.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't strike me as necessarily as a funny person.

1252
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 4: I can't imagine he's a great interviewer. He's probably basically

1253
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 4: everything this show is. He just has a bigger name

1254
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 4: and more money. So I don't know, but I feel

1255
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 4: like whenever I hear things from his podcast, whenever snippets

1256
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 4: or clips go viral, usually what he says is eye

1257
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 4: rolling or eye roll inducing. He's had some criticisms of

1258
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin, and maybe some of them are valid, but

1259
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 4: Joey Porter says, not a good teammate.

1260
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: Wow, that was brock Nelson again for to one.

1261
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 4: The US is starting to pull away from Latvia eleven

1262
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 4: point one seconds to go in the second period. The

1263
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 4: American fans there in Milan are on their feet, so

1264
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 4: we are nearing a second intermission. The US is out

1265
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 4: shooting Latvia four to one. They've had two goals taken

1266
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 4: off the board. They have dominated this game, and uh,

1267
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 4: brock Nelson scores again for the US.

1268
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Speaker 1: It's four to one.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, there's Ben Roethlisberger being called a bad teammate

1270
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 4: by one of his former teammates. And I don't know,

1271
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's anybody like I'm trying to

1272
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 4: think of somebody that you would expect to hear a

1273
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 4: former teammates say was a bad teammate in Cincinnati. I mean,

1274
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Speaker 4: I I don't know. Quote to five five point three

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Speaker 4: seven four nine, fifteen thirty. I'm going to go back

1276
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Speaker 4: to nineteen ninety five. Coming up in the five o'clock hour.

1277
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Speaker 4: More on the Bearcat game from last night. We can

1278
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 4: have more fun at the expense of Kansas State head

1279
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: coach Jerome Tang and uh more on Trey Hendrickson as

1280
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: well on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 4: not the right word, but at least please the thirteen

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Speaker 4: one last night, Like I was, you know, if you

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Speaker 4: compare it to the NBA, give me college basketball right now.

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Speaker 4: The NBA the big issue right now is there's a

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Speaker 4: massive tanking problem. And it is a legitimate problem, and frankly,

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Speaker 4: I think more so than ever because teams are tanking

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 4: earlier than ever.

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Speaker 1: You have the Utah Jazz playing.

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Speaker 4: Their starters for three quarters and then sitting them for

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Speaker 4: a fourth quarter. You have a Trey Young and Anthony

1304
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 4: Davis getting traded to the Wizards and neither guys likely

1305
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 4: to suit up for that team. You have teams that

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 4: are blatantly not trying and more than just one or two,

1307
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 4: and more than for just a handful of games at

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01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 4: the very very end of the season. We're just now

1309
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Speaker 4: at the all Star break. That league is a huge problem.

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Speaker 4: So you see played hard last night. Now you may

1311
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 4: only give a team so much credit for playing hard.

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Speaker 4: That's rice it like if the big takeaway from a

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Speaker 4: team is, well, they play hard, like especially with this program,

1314
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Speaker 4: they're supposed to. But give me this. We're like Kansas

1315
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Speaker 4: State look checked out last night, but you wouldn't say that,

1316
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 4: like the Kansas State Wildcats as a college basketball organization

1317
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 4: are trying to not win. Whatever criticisms you have about

1318
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Speaker 4: Wes Miller, whatever criticisms I may have about about Wes Miller,

1319
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 4: nobody would say, well, Cincinnati Bearcat basketball right now, they're

1320
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Speaker 4: trying to not win. Like there's still a representative effort

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01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 4: that you expect from most teams most nights, and I

1322
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 4: got it from UC and like, sometimes you just have

1323
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 4: to reconcile yourself with the fact that that's going to

1324
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 4: be enough. I wish to god we were really really

1325
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 4: realistically talking about the tournament, bracketology and bubble Watch and

1326
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 4: all that stuff. And although it is worth mentioning the

1327
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 4: Bearcats did appear on bubble Watch late last night for

1328
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 4: the first time in two weeks as a long shot,

1329
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 4: that was not the case last week. I just if

1330
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Speaker 4: they're gonna keep playing games, I want them to win.

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Speaker 4: And there's no reason root for a loss. They're not

1332
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 4: going to get a better draft choice. So, like I

1333
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 4: just I viewed it through a very simple lens. If

1334
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 4: they're going to keep playing, I want them to win.

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01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 4: They did, and they prolonged the misery of drum. Nothing

1336
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 4: against Rome Tang, who I'm sure is a lovely man,

1337
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 4: but is fun watching another fan base get angry. Fun

1338
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 4: watching their student section actually wear bags on their heads.

1339
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 4: Fun watching people point the finger and laugh at a

1340
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 4: team that has one wins so far in the Big Twelve.

1341
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Speaker 1: That's it, that's all. It's a season of what ifs.

1342
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,560
Speaker 4: From a UC perspective, It's a season of frustration and discontent,

1343
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 4: and one that has been defined by an understandably angry

1344
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 4: fan base and legit questions about who the head coach

1345
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 4: next year is going to be. But that doesn't mean

1346
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 4: that in these two hour windows they can't play well.

1347
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 4: And for a second consecutive game they did last night,

1348
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 4: And if you're a Bearcat fan and that didn't make

1349
01:13:58,640 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 4: you happy, that's cool.

1350
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 1: But he's different.

1351
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 4: Last night. I got a kick out of watching him.

1352
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 4: They haven't beaten the team by more than twenty points

1353
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 4: on the road prior to last night, since February of

1354
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen. Think about how long ago that was. That's

1355
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 4: Sean Kilpatrick in tightest rubles and you know that era,

1356
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 4: that twenty fourteen team that lost to Harvard in the

1357
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 4: first round. It's how long ago that was and Kansas

1358
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 4: State is really really bad, and to a large degree,

1359
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 4: last night was as much about Case State as it

1360
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,440
Speaker 4: was Cincinnati. And look, they were three hundred and eleventh

1361
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 4: in three point shooting going into the game last night

1362
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 4: in the country, So you know, Sunday was an outlier

1363
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 4: because they were eleven from eighteen from behind the arc.

1364
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 4: Last night was really an outlier. But they also played

1365
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 4: with a lot of energy, They played with good pace,

1366
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 4: they looked organized on offense, they shared the.

1367
01:14:54,520 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: Ball, and you know, a week ago we were.

1368
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 4: Wondering after that game last Thursday where Wes Miller was

1369
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 4: so emotional in his postgame comments with Dan and Terry

1370
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 4: after the game, we were wondering, like, legitimately, how bad

1371
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 4: is this gonna get? How much worse is this gonna get?

1372
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 4: By the way, there are still some losses on the schedule,

1373
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 4: and if I'm wrong about that, I'll be the happiest

1374
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 4: person in the United States. But you kind of looked

1375
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 4: at it and said the scary thing about the way

1376
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 4: last Thursday and I felt was there's still a month

1377
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 4: to go. How much worse will it get? Well, it

1378
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 4: hasn't gotten worse, since it may still trust me. If

1379
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 4: they lose on Sunday to another bad Big twelve team

1380
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 4: at home in Utah, then it's gonna be ugly. But

1381
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 4: we all wondered, like, how much worse is this gonna get?

1382
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 4: And had it gotten worse in the short term, that

1383
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 4: would have been more anger, more frustration, and a lot

1384
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 4: more criticism being aimed at wes. I. I found it

1385
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 4: refreshing that we didn't have to go down that road

1386
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 4: at least for another week. May go down there next week,

1387
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 4: may go down that road in two weeks, may go

1388
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 4: down that road multiple times before the season ends. But

1389
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 4: the question was after that game last Thursday, how much

1390
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 4: worse is it going to get? And I think there

1391
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 4: was a fear that maybe the player's effort would start

1392
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 4: to be compromised, or maybe they would start to be

1393
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 4: collectively checked out, and collectively, at least that has not

1394
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 4: been the case. Played well last night, looked engaged, played hard,

1395
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 4: finished the game, didn't take their foot off the gas

1396
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 4: early in the second half, like I think a lot

1397
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 4: of as feared they would. So a fun night to

1398
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 4: be a Bearcat fan in a season where there haven't

1399
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 4: been many of them. Five point three seven, four nine

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty is our phone number. The baseball season is

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01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 4: going to be dominated by one thing. We'll get to

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01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 4: it next on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Tarin five after five ES fifteen

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Speaker 4: thirty Almager, thanks for listening, hopefully, hopefully if you're having

1408
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Speaker 4: an awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thursday, it's almost the weekend.

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01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 4: This week has felt long, A little while you have

1411
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 4: a little place inside. I have given up energy drinks,

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01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 4: a little bit of a new Year's resolution, like Red Bull,

1413
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 4: stuff like that give them. I haven't given up coffee,

1414
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 4: I've given up energy drinks. Today is the first day

1415
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 4: that I really feel like I could use an energy drink,

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01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 4: and it's killing me to not have one. But I've

1417
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 4: made it forty three days. Forty three days, and my

1418
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 4: body hasn't missed it. I have not missed I haven't

1419
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 4: missed the taste, my body hasn't missed it. But today,

1420
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 4: today would be the day that I could could use

1421
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 4: little these little bulls, so to speak. Anyway, that's neither

1422
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 4: here that little pick me, a little boost, a little punch,

1423
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 4: like middle of the afternoon.

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: I can't drink coffee. I've also not had a soft

1425
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: drink this year. I have had. That's not until I've

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01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: had one sprite. I've had once. I've not had a soft.

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Speaker 3: Drink this year, So that count caffeine and.

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Speaker 4: Uh no can But that's gonna change that. That's gonna

1429
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 4: change here soon. But the the no energy drinks thing

1430
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 4: like that's been that's been a net plus.

1431
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: That's been good. But today is the day.

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01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 4: For whatever reason, Like I got up earlier today I

1433
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 4: usually do.

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01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it.

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 4: Hopefully, hopefully the high quality of the show has maintained.

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01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: However, see now I'm.

1437
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 3: Worried about tomorrow. I don't want to snap your streak.

1438
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 4: Oh it is Makers and Coke Friday. We can We'll

1439
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 4: make an exception for Makers, just we can't. We can't

1440
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 4: do Red Bull Vodka Friday. We'll do Makers and Coke Friday.

1441
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 4: Like That's that's one that I've that's one that I've

1442
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 4: struck because I love coke, I love coca cola. I

1443
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 4: love diet coke of them both equally. Not you know,

1444
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 4: going with those two staples of my life has been

1445
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 4: as bad I decided I had like I had just

1446
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 4: started giving up stuff and uh, you know, I haven't

1447
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 4: started a diet or anything like that. I'm like, you know,

1448
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 4: what what would be what would life be like if

1449
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 4: I gave up these things that probably aren't like the

1450
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 4: best for me?

1451
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: And the energy drink thing.

1452
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 4: Today is the first day where I was like, man,

1453
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 4: I can go downstairs and get one.

1454
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,799
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I had some well bower. It was great.

1455
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 4: And but tomorrow we're going to make an exception because

1456
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 4: it is going to be Makers and Coke Friday, and

1457
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 4: I can't wait. By the way, there's there's cokes in

1458
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 4: the building if you haven't seen them tar or at

1459
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 4: least there were earlier this week. Even though we don't

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 4: have a vending machine. Ah, we still don't have a

1461
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 4: vending machine here. Why don't we actually talk about some

1462
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 4: sports more on the Bearcats coming up in uh in

1463
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 4: just a little bit. Don't forget we have NKU basketball

1464
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 4: coming up as soon as we're done at six o'clock.

1465
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Speaker 4: The Norris on the Road against IU Indianapolis the major

1466
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 4: Reds news of the day, and I think it's major

1467
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 4: for him. I'm not sure how major it is for

1468
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 4: the team, but Christian and Cronacion Strand is dealing with

1469
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 4: a hamstring issue and so he's gonna miss the start.

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Speaker 1: Of the Cactus League.

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Speaker 4: And I say this is probably not a major deal

1472
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 4: for the Reds because I think it's hard to imagine

1473
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 4: beyond something extreme happening, meaning Cees has a great spring

1474
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 4: and a roster spot opens up because someone either gets

1475
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 4: hurt or doesn't perform. I think it's been really hard

1476
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 4: to imagine him being on the team this season, or

1477
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 4: at least on the team on the opening day roster.

1478
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 4: As long as he's a part of the organization, you

1479
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 4: have to figure there's a chance he makes the team.

1480
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 4: And you feel for him though, because this is a

1481
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 4: big spring. Last year he was one of the team's

1482
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 4: major disappointments, and you think about last season. You know

1483
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 4: he's dealt with a lot of injury, but you think

1484
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 4: about last season, Matt McClain was a disappointment, and Elie

1485
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 4: Dela Cruz in the second half of the season was

1486
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 4: a disappointment. Goal the US piling on. It is now

1487
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 4: five to one. I was looking away and I did

1488
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 4: not see who scored, but there's a bearded Latvian player

1489
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 4: skating around five to one.

1490
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Speaker 1: Five to one?

1491
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 4: Is the score? Was that Austin Matthews? Did he put

1492
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 4: that in the back of the net? Austin Matthews of

1493
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 4: the Toronto Maple Leafs. I believe it was. I believe

1494
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 4: it was. Yes, it was. He made that look easy.

1495
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 4: Latvia's goaltender might be tanking himself anyway. Five won the

1496
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 4: US early in the third period. Cees, you're talking about

1497
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 4: all the disappointments of last year, whether it's Matt McClain,

1498
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 4: Elie de la Cruz's production in the second half of

1499
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 4: the season, overall lack of production in the two spot,

1500
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 4: the general sort of malaise of the offense. By now,

1501
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 4: he was supposed to be holding down at least a

1502
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 4: position on this team. And when I say by now,

1503
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 4: like when he got called up at the end of

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01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, he did almost nothing but hit and

1505
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 4: then you know all the injuries of twenty twenty four,

1506
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 4: everything that would happen last year. In a very short

1507
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 4: amount of time, he's gone from a dude who looked

1508
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 4: like he could be a core part of this team

1509
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 4: to almost an afterthought. So he was, you know, from

1510
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 4: his perspective, looking to use this spring to I don't know,

1511
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 4: move off being an afterthought, and you hate for him

1512
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 4: that there's been a little bit.

1513
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: Of a setback.

1514
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 4: That's no good Beyond that, not a ton happening today

1515
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 4: in goodyear. Jeff Passen of ESPN dot com published a

1516
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 4: piece today that takes a real good look at the

1517
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 4: current state of the game because the dominant story this season,

1518
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 4: and I think the dominant story this offseason so far

1519
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 4: has been labor and the possibility one might say inevitability

1520
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 4: of a lockout at the end of this season when

1521
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 4: the CBA expires on December first. A lockout has felt

1522
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 4: like a likelihood or an inevitability pretty much since the

1523
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 4: current CBA got signed. Now, I'm the first to admit

1524
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 4: when the topic turns into a sports league's labor issues,

1525
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 4: like my eyes start to glaze over. It is an

1526
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 4: extraordinarily boring topic. But I think Jeff does a good

1527
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 4: job of kind of outlining why we are where we

1528
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 4: are with the stances of both sides are the likelihood

1529
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 4: of there being any you know, real meaningful discussions during

1530
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 4: the season, how long a lockout may be. But also

1531
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 4: like this juxtaposed against the game, in Jeff's words, having

1532
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 4: a moment. And that's what's so weird about this. That's

1533
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 4: what's so weird about baseball right now is that you

1534
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 4: have a lot of really disaffected fans. We could debate

1535
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 4: whether they should be, but we have a lot of

1536
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 4: real disaffected fans because of the spending of a handful

1537
01:23:53,600 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 4: of teams believe that their team has no chance. From perspective,

1538
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 4: I think the eyres should be aimed at owners who

1539
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 4: don't spend The Dodgers and the Mets, and you know,

1540
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 4: the big market teams are operating under rules that everybody

1541
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 4: agreed on, so I never understand getting mad at those

1542
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 4: teams themselves. But baseball has a little bit of an

1543
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 4: image problem with a huge chunk of fans who simply

1544
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 4: believe my team has no chance to win. And as

1545
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 4: long as they feel like their team has no chance

1546
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 4: to win, their likelihood of engaging with the sport is minimal.

1547
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 4: So baseball's got that problem. And maybe it's solved by

1548
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 4: having a salary cap. Maybe it's solved by not having

1549
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 4: a salary cap. But it's something they want to sell

1550
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 4: or something they want to solve. I should say, when

1551
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 4: you have customers, real or potential who are telling you like,

1552
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 4: we're not as involved, we're not as engaged, we're not

1553
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 4: as willing to spend money on your product because my

1554
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 4: team has no chance.

1555
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: That's an issue. That's an issue.

1556
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 4: At the same time, the on field product is extraordinarily popular.

1557
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 4: Local TV ratings are still really good. Fans have met

1558
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 4: with I think a great amount of enthusiasm a lot

1559
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 4: of the on field initiatives, you know, the pitch clock,

1560
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 4: the bigger bases, the rules that sort of foster more

1561
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 4: stolen bases. Like there's there's been a lot to it.

1562
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 4: I think fans have been okay with the added wildcard round.

1563
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 4: I think it devalues the regular season, but I think

1564
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 4: most like it. Like I think most like a lot

1565
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: of the stuff that is impacting what we watch and

1566
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 4: what we consume. And so you have this weird sort

1567
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 4: of contrast where the health of the game from an

1568
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 4: on field perspective, from the perspective of having a lot

1569
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 4: of really good young stars, really really good and by

1570
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 4: the way, annual revenues exceed twelve billion dollars. On the

1571
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 4: other hand, you have a lot of folks, including a

1572
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 4: lot of people in a town like this, who go,

1573
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 4: my team's got no shot. My team's got no shot

1574
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 4: to legitimately, year in and year out, compete with teams

1575
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 4: that just have more financial resources.

1576
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: That's an issue. That's a problem.

1577
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 4: And so I think one of the really interesting things though,

1578
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 4: is how many of those fans and I'll ask you, like,

1579
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 4: if you're among them, would you be okay with the

1580
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 4: sport going away? I mean, like going away for a while,

1581
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 4: if you knew that when it came back whenever, that is,

1582
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 4: there was a different economic model. Now I'm sure, I'm

1583
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,879
Speaker 4: sure there are folks hearing that who are nodding along.

1584
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 1: Going yeah, yeah, yeah.

1585
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 4: I mean, if like, if it has to come at

1586
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 4: the expense of let's say the twenty twenty seven season,

1587
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 4: but when the sport re emerges, like there's a different

1588
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 4: economic model and maybe the gap in spending between the

1589
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 4: Reds and Dodgers doesn't have to be quite as significant,

1590
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 4: like I'll do it.

1591
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people feel that way.

1592
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how many people will actually come back,

1593
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 4: and like there's an issue.

1594
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 11: Now.

1595
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 4: You might go, well, you know, we've had lockouts and

1596
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 4: work stoppages, and we've had the sport kind of going

1597
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 4: limbo often since nineteen ninety four, but we haven't missed games.

1598
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 4: And I don't believe that we're gonna miss games. And

1599
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 4: as long as we don't miss games, then I don't

1600
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 4: care all that much. We had a lockout a few

1601
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 4: years ago, which was frustrating and it made for a

1602
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 4: really weird offseason. And when the offseason actually started out

1603
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 4: to the lockout, the Reds gave away all their players,

1604
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 4: but no games got missed. A few games got pushed

1605
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 4: back to the end of the season from the beginning,

1606
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 4: but no games got missed. This feels like we have

1607
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 4: the very distinct possibility of the sport going away.

1608
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 2: Now.

1609
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 4: There are differences between the sport going away for a

1610
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 4: month and the season starting late, or the season starting

1611
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 4: late and some games get pushed to other areas of

1612
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 4: the calendar, or the season gets started late like nineteen

1613
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 4: ninety five, and you know, we don't play one hundred

1614
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 4: and sixty two games, but we play another games to

1615
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 4: have like a representative season. But like you'll find people

1616
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 4: in the sport who are who are kind of warning

1617
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 4: us like a lockout might cancel a season. I just

1618
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: don't know that in this era, that's something that no

1619
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 4: matter what good outcomes result from, it is what you

1620
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 4: want to do. I still hear people, and frankly not many,

1621
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 4: but I still hear people who will say, like, my

1622
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 4: relationship with baseball hasn't been the same since the ninety

1623
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 4: four ninety five player strike, and understandably so, you still

1624
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 4: to this day we'll hear people who say, like, I

1625
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 4: just I never came back, and and to the degree

1626
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 4: that I was in you know, before that strike in

1627
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 4: the mid nineties was thirty years ago.

1628
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: There was damage done to the sport that you know.

1629
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 4: It took Cal Ripken breaking uh lou Gerrigg's consecutive games

1630
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,879
Speaker 4: record in order to help a recover in the Maguire

1631
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 4: and Sosa in nineteen ninety eight. I think the Yankees

1632
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 4: dynasty in late nineties helped, but there was long term

1633
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 4: damage done. That environment was different in the mid nineties

1634
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 4: than to now, like baseball in the mid nineties was

1635
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 4: a larger part of our collective consciousness. The last World

1636
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 4: Series before the ninety four player strike, more than seventeen

1637
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 4: million people watched per game the nineteen ninety three World Series,

1638
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 4: and that was with a team from Canada.

1639
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 1: The year before that.

1640
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 4: Twenty million dollars or twenty million people per game on

1641
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 4: average ninety two World Series, also with a team in Canada.

1642
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 4: The one before that was the iconic Braves Twins World Series,

1643
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 4: aided by a remarkably historic seventh game. On average, twenty

1644
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 4: four million people watched. Last year, on average, seven million

1645
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 4: people watched, again a team from Canada, but it was

1646
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 4: buoyed by an awesome Game seven of the World Series,

1647
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 4: and they got the LA market like it. Just as

1648
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 4: a national sport, it's not what it was thirty years ago.

1649
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 2: Though.

1650
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 4: There's also more things to do, more things to grab

1651
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 4: your attention, more sports that are popular now that weren't

1652
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 4: quite as popular then, like soccer to a degree college football.

1653
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 4: The NFL has never been bigger, So like it feels

1654
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 4: like there is this, I don't know, almost implied agreement

1655
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 4: that everybody in the sport has where it's it's going

1656
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 4: to go away, and it might have to go away

1657
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 4: in order for us to achieve a new economic model.

1658
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,839
Speaker 4: And even if people are pissed that we go away,

1659
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 4: They're going to be re engaged and re energized because

1660
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 4: we're gonna come out of the work stopage different. I

1661
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 4: don't believe that is going to be the case. You

1662
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 4: may come out of the work stopage different. I don't

1663
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 4: know that you could afford to go away in this

1664
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 4: day and age. I don't know that you could afford

1665
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 4: to go away if you are a major professional sport.

1666
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 4: There have been sports the NHL went away for a

1667
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 4: whole season in the mid twoths and emerged with a

1668
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 4: different on ice product to a degree, and you know,

1669
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 4: slightly different working conditions. I don't know that that's going

1670
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 4: to be the case.

1671
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: And so I.

1672
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 4: Hear folks, and I've listened to a few baseball podcasts

1673
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 4: where it's like people in the game, you know, really

1674
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 4: believe that it's worth digging in on the salary cap,

1675
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 4: understanding it might take a while, but believing that the

1676
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 4: public will be okay with it. As long as they

1677
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 4: come out of the workstopage with a better economic model,

1678
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 4: they'll still come back, They'll still watch. I don't know, man,

1679
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't agree. There will be those

1680
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 4: of us who do like the sport is too big

1681
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 4: a part of my life for me to ignore it

1682
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 4: if it does come back after a work stoppage, But

1683
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 4: that's going to be what we talk about, unfortunately, because

1684
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 4: the on field stuff is far more fun. But there

1685
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 4: is a distinct possibility that the twenty twenty sixth season

1686
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 4: ends and we have no idea when the game's going

1687
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 4: to be played at the highest level. Again, not talking

1688
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 4: about it going away forever or the league folding, but

1689
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 4: there is a real sense, and I'm a little bit

1690
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 4: skeptical that this will be the case because of just

1691
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 4: how you know, baseball workstoppages have worked. But there is

1692
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 4: a real sense by a lot of people who cover

1693
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 4: the sport and cover it closely, like we're getting a

1694
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 4: lockout and it's going to last a while, and the

1695
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 4: resolve of the owners, which has always been shaky, is

1696
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 4: unlike at any point in the history of this sport.

1697
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 4: We'll see by the way I saw the MLBPA Twitter

1698
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 4: account earlier today was already tweeting about, you know, some

1699
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 4: of the things said and some of the pieces written

1700
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 4: about a possible lockout, like it's going to be a

1701
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 4: long summer. In that regard, It's going to be a

1702
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 4: long season in that regard, and what we'll distract us

1703
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 4: are the games and the pennant races and the players

1704
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. But it is going to be

1705
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,839
Speaker 4: fascinating to see what happens at the end of this season.

1706
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 4: And by the way, I hate lockouts for a lot

1707
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 4: of reasons, not the least of which is the people

1708
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 4: who usually pay for it are like team employees who

1709
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 4: aren't making millions of dollars.

1710
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 1: That's no good.

1711
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 4: But what I wonder is, if the sport goes away

1712
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 4: and comes back and you have a better sense of

1713
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 4: your team having a legitimate chance to compete, will it

1714
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 4: be worth the sport going away, Or if the sport

1715
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 4: goes away, is it going to be a situation where

1716
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 4: you don't come back? Because I believe that's going to

1717
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 4: be the case. And they may tout, hey, we've got

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Speaker 4: a cap, or they may point to the fact that

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Speaker 4: it's going to be easier for teams to hang in

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Speaker 4: there financially against the Dodgers and Mets. But if the

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01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 4: people you're trying to pacify, the people who are your

1722
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 4: core fans, you're trying to address their biggest issue, and

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Speaker 4: Sports Grill. All right, twenty seven after five o'clock five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 4: four nine, fifteen thirty is our number. Let's see here,

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Speaker 4: David on the West side. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. David,

1754
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 4: good afternoon, How are you good?

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Speaker 12: How you doing?

1756
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 9: Mo?

1757
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Never been better? What's up?

1758
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 2: All right?

1759
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 12: So I got a funny one to tell you back.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember.

1761
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 12: The year was back when Flannigans was still downtown and

1762
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 12: baseball went on strike. And of course you're down at

1763
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 12: planning and you're having some beers. So they asked me,

1764
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 12: they interviewed me down on this. So what do you

1765
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 12: think of the strike? Are you ever gonna go back,

1766
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 12: and I said, hell, no, I'm not going back, and

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01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 12: that with that opening Day.

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01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: There will be a lot of that too. I can

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01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: assure you with that.

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Speaker 12: But I agree with you, it has to happen. This

1771
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 12: is ridiculous. I mean, I'm a baseball I love it,

1772
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 12: I love sports, and I've called you a bunch of times,

1773
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 12: but I'm not gonna stop watching.

1774
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: But it needs to happen.

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01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 12: It's just they don't get it. I mean, and my

1776
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 12: NFL's got the the answer. They know how to do

1777
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 12: it to make it competitive every year, at least if

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01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 12: you do it right.

1779
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 10: But baseball sucks.

1780
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 12: I mean, it's the same teams every year.

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01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know, yes, and no, you know

1782
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 4: it's it's the same teams every year. And the Dodgers

1783
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 4: are on the verge of a dynasty, but you know,

1784
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 4: they've had large financial advantages for a while and they've

1785
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 4: just won their World Series relatively recently. The Yankees have

1786
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 4: won won this century. But yeah, look, whether it's whether

1787
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 4: it's it's accurate or not, when you have millions of

1788
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 4: people who genuinely love your game but will tell you

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01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 4: that their interest is compromised by a belief that third

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01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 4: team has no chance. That's something that you have to

1791
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 4: find a way as an industry to address. Maybe that

1792
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 4: doesn't have to take, uh, take place in the form

1793
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 4: of a salary cap. I would actually love it if

1794
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 4: it didn't. But in the absence of it, what is it?

1795
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Speaker 1: What is it?

1796
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 4: And look, man, you have to you have to get

1797
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Speaker 4: some of these owners to feel compelled to spend more money,

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01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 4: which is why you need a salary for But as

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01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,799
Speaker 4: long as you have people who feel like my team's

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01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 4: got no shot, then you have a problem.

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Speaker 12: Well said, and I probably should have repraised it, obviously.

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01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 12: I'm when I get on there with you, I get

1803
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 12: you know, I get a little fast talking. Is yeah,

1804
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 12: but there's got to be something better that You're right

1805
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 12: some of the teams. But by the question for you, Mo,

1806
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 12: because you know everything, which I always say to my sons, Wow,

1807
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 12: is John Cunningham gonna end up making this next decision?

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Speaker 2: In your opinion?

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01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 12: I'm just curious about what to do with what for

1810
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 12: Wes Miller.

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01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 4: For Wes yes, yeah, I've not heard anything to suggest

1812
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 4: that somebody else will be making the decision about who

1813
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Speaker 4: the basketball coaches next year.

1814
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:09,759
Speaker 1: That's terrible.

1815
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 12: Willie Cunningham's brought, long loved brother is going to make

1816
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 12: the decision want to be in a big trouble because he.

1817
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean like that's the David, thank you.

1818
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 4: That skepticism is earned. I mean that that's you may

1819
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 4: think that that Wes Miller's doing a better job than

1820
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 4: many people do, and you know, but the reality is

1821
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Speaker 4: Wes is unpopular, Scott Sadderfield's unpopular.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they should be more popular than they are.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Scott Sadderfield's team this year did sort

1824
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 4: of satisfy the baseline level of expectation that everybody had.

1825
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: But you have two coaches that aren't very popular.

1826
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 4: One person hired both, And so I think John Cunningham

1827
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,839
Speaker 4: would be the first to admit, like, I'm the perception

1828
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 4: of me is shaped almost entirely by the success of

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01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 4: the coaches I hire in the two highest profile sports.

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01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 4: That's how people view him. So, Okay, he hired Wes.

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01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 4: If he decides to move on from Wes, he's now

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01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 4: the person in charge of replacing Wes. Any skepticism about

1833
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 4: that actually working out is fair and deserved, and I

1834
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 4: think John would be the first to admit that. But

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01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,680
Speaker 4: It's interesting and I could be one hundred percent off

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01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 4: base when it comes to this. Would not be the

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01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 4: first time I've never gathered that John Cunningham's seat is

1838
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 4: as hot as a lot of the public discourse would

1839
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 4: make it out to be. I certainly believe Wes Is.

1840
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 4: I don't know to what degree Scott Sadderfield's will be

1841
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 4: during this upcoming football season. But like Wes Is, his

1842
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 4: scorching HT well, they as well as they played last night.

1843
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 4: That's that's not going to change that. I've never really

1844
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 4: gathered that John Cunningham is dealing with the sort of

1845
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 4: internal pressure that would match the external pressure. And look,

1846
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 4: there's other things that go into being an athletics director,

1847
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 4: raising money, et cetera, hiring the other coaches, staff, all

1848
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 4: that stuff. But at the end of the day, what

1849
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 4: people care about most there are the success of the

1850
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 4: coaches you hire and men's basketball and in football, and

1851
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 4: there just hasn't been a ton But yeah, I believe,

1852
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 4: and if I'm wrong about this, I'm wrong about this again.

1853
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 4: Won't be the first time that if a coaching change

1854
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 4: takes place at the end of the season, that it

1855
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,599
Speaker 4: will be initiated by John Cunningham, and the vacancy will

1856
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 4: be filled.

1857
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: By John Cunningham.

1858
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 4: Now, once that happens, you know, then it's like, all right,

1859
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 4: you got one crack at it and it didn't work,

1860
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 4: and so now you get another crack at it.

1861
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 1: How many more are you going to get? We'll see.

1862
01:40:53,960 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 4: But I, unless I'm hearing the wrong things, believe there's

1863
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 4: every reason to expect that whatever they do with Wes

1864
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 4: or a possible successor, the current director of athletics will be.

1865
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 1: In the middle of it.

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Speaker 4: We'll see twenty seven away from six o'clock sports headlines

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Speaker 4: week from Saturday. College basketball tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: It's NKU looking for a second consecutive victory. Is the

1888
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1891
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Speaker 4: six o'clock. Men's hockey in the Olympics, the United States

1892
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Speaker 4: is about to put the finishing touches on Latin.

1893
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Speaker 1: Off.

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Speaker 4: To a good start in Courtina, Milan, you'll hear Chad

1898
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 4: Brendle in just a few minutes you see one last night.

1899
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 4: I would I would love I would love to do

1900
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 4: what the TV announcers were doing last night. I would

1901
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 4: love to do what my guy, Tony Pike was doing

1902
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 4: today and try to create a world where this team

1903
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,680
Speaker 4: runs the table and gets to the NCAA Tournament. How

1904
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 4: about beat Utah on Sunday, and then we'll entertain the

1905
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 4: possibility of beating Kansas and or Texas Tech, both of

1906
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 4: those games on the road. I just this is like

1907
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:33,679
Speaker 4: when the Bengals have a one point one percent chance

1908
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 4: of making the postseason and folks are losing their mind

1909
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 4: over the possibilities and screwing with the playoff simulator, and

1910
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 4: it's like, you know how improbable that is, and this

1911
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 4: is probably even less likely. So I'm not going to

1912
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 4: do that. What I think the best thing to do

1913
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 4: last night was to sit back and enjoy the Bearcats

1914
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 4: playing esthetically pleasing ball.

1915
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 1: They did.

1916
01:43:56,160 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 4: That's fun to watch if you set aside just perhaps

1917
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 4: the lack of stakes and where the season is gone

1918
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 4: and how you feel about the program, Like watching the

1919
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 4: Bearcats win a laugher on the road. In conference play,

1920
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 4: they hadn't beaten a team by twenty points on the

1921
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 4: road in twelve years. They had their largest halftime lead

1922
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 4: in conference play as a member of the Big Twelve.

1923
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 4: Kansas State had a lot to do with that. Kansas State,

1924
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 4: you might argue you had more to do with that

1925
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 4: than the Bearcats. That doesn't mean the Bearcats didn't play well.

1926
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 4: The ball moved, they played with pace, they ran good

1927
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 4: half court stuff, they were good in transition. They had

1928
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 4: dudes making shots who typically aren't going to make the

1929
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,679
Speaker 4: kind of shots they made last night. By the way,

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Speaker 4: we could apply something similar to how they played against UCF.

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Speaker 4: I think the lens, the best lens through which to

1932
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Speaker 4: look at that game last night was if I got

1933
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Speaker 4: to be miserable. If I can't be happy, let's watch

1934
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Speaker 4: somebody else also be miserable. They can't be happy either.

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Speaker 4: K State students wearing bags, the arena mostly empty, fans booing,

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Speaker 4: Jerome Tang throwing his players under the bus in the postgame,

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Speaker 4: another coach's postgame comments going viral like.

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Speaker 1: For a night the shoe was on the other foot.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, what that Kansas State team put

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Speaker 4: on the floor last night. Say what you want about

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Speaker 4: the Bearcats this year. I've never questioned collective effort. I've

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Speaker 4: not with this team this year. Thought they are begging

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Speaker 4: to be beaten, they are dying to be drilled. They

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Speaker 4: have no interest in competing Kansas State. That was their

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Speaker 4: look last night. So for an evening, I'll just forget

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Speaker 4: any other context. It was fun to watch another team,

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Speaker 4: and more importantly, another fan base, express and display their misery.

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Speaker 1: Sign me up for it.

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Speaker 4: All the while, the Bearcats didn't eke out a four

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Speaker 4: point victory over a bad team. They took a bad

1951
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Speaker 4: team and they crushed it. And in a season that

1952
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Speaker 4: hasn't gone as well as so many of us want,

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Speaker 4: you can suspend belief, you can ignore the way the

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Speaker 4: season is gone and what the metrics tell you, and

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Speaker 4: just watch the Bearcats play the way we hope they

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Speaker 4: would play for much of the season and hope it continues.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday.

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Speaker 4: It's back to back wins, back to back games where

1959
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Speaker 4: they have played really well offensively, and yes, they're unlikely

1960
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Speaker 4: to shoot it the way they have the last couple

1961
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Speaker 4: of games, but there's been a bounce to them that

1962
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Speaker 4: are not a lot of us expected after the way

1963
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Speaker 4: things unfolded a week ago.

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Speaker 1: Today, Chad Rendall.

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Speaker 4: You see crushes Kansas State last night? Who was that

1977
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Speaker 4: team wearing black in Kansas?

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Speaker 9: Uh, that's what it looks like when you shoot sixty

1979
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Speaker 9: percent from three. We saw two games in a row now,

1980
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Speaker 9: so you know, just another six games to go. If

1981
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Speaker 9: they keep shooting like that, I think they'll we'll have

1982
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Speaker 9: a change narrative on this season.

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Speaker 2: And they're not going to keep shooting like that.

1984
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I think you're right.

1985
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Speaker 4: Would you give them any chance against Kansas or Texas Tech?

1986
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Speaker 2: If it was at home, maybe.

1987
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Speaker 9: Going into fall Allen Field House and then following that

1988
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Speaker 9: with a trip to Lubbock. Not a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of fun.

1990
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Speaker 9: But I don't know that they hadn't won a game

1991
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Speaker 9: on the road all year and now they've got won

1992
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Speaker 9: MO So you know, maybe there's more upon the horizon.

1993
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Speaker 4: Do you think there's something to the suggestion that this

1994
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Speaker 4: team is better equipped to win and play the way

1995
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:32,440
Speaker 4: they did because they're forced to play with fewer guys.

1996
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's something to it. They clearly looked

1997
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 9: better with a much shorter rotation, and I do think

1998
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Speaker 9: it's one of the things, like you know, when Wes

1999
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Speaker 9: looks back at this ten years from now, you didn't

2000
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:54,560
Speaker 9: need as many guys. Like I understand you want to

2001
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 9: protect yourself against injury and whatever. But we look around

2002
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,719
Speaker 9: this league, well, we talk about it. We do Big

2003
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 9: twelve kind of you know, look ins twice a week

2004
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 9: on the Nightcap, our nightly show on YouTube. And when

2005
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 9: you start looking at team by team and box scores,

2006
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Speaker 9: this team plays six guys, this team plays seven guys.

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Speaker 2: This team plays six.

2008
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Speaker 9: Guys, And there's not a whole lot of teams in

2009
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Speaker 9: this conference. It's working for Arizona, who play eight, but

2010
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 9: they don't go any deeper than eight.

2011
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Speaker 2: And most of.

2012
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Speaker 9: These teams, when you look, they're starters, their best players

2013
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Speaker 9: are playing thirty plus minutes tonight. And I think it's

2014
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 9: a strategy that west Head coming up that at the

2015
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Speaker 9: highest level, just especially in the nil era, go pay

2016
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Speaker 9: for five or six good players.

2017
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Speaker 11: And roll the ball out there and see what you got.

2018
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Speaker 4: What's the rationale behind playing so many, which he typically does.

2019
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Speaker 9: Getting through a season, you know, keeping guys fresh and

2020
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Speaker 9: the other they got one of the flaws with it,

2021
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Speaker 9: mo Is. I think when he developed that strategy at

2022
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Speaker 9: UNC Greensboro, they pressed and they ran, and they you know,

2023
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Speaker 9: they had a need probably to run bodies in and

2024
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Speaker 9: out to wear teams down.

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Speaker 11: This team plays at a pretty slow pace.

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Speaker 9: You know, they tried it during the non conference, but

2027
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Speaker 9: as soon as you know, the level of competition ramped up,

2028
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Speaker 9: we saw the pace drop considerably. If you're not playing

2029
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Speaker 9: a you know, a top thirty pace in the sport,

2030
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Speaker 9: and most of your possessions are are going to be

2031
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Speaker 9: twenty plus seconds on offense and on defense. I just

2032
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Speaker 9: don't think it's necessary and I don't think it's feasible

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Speaker 9: when you're working with essentially you know, a fixed number

2034
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Speaker 9: of dollars to build your team team.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's.

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Speaker 11: Smart to play eight, nine, ten guys.

2037
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Speaker 9: You pay your top six or seven guys and you

2038
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Speaker 9: see what happens now injuries, of course, like if something

2039
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 9: bad happens, you're in trouble. But guess what if you

2040
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:20,200
Speaker 9: lose your number three guy and you're replacing with your

2041
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:23,799
Speaker 9: number nine guy, you're probably in trouble anyway.

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Speaker 4: There have been times I've watched Keishawn Tillery this year

2043
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Speaker 4: and I've thought that guy can't play at the big

2044
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Speaker 4: twelve level. There have been times I've watched him this

2045
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Speaker 4: year and I've thought I would really love to have

2046
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Speaker 4: him as a junior, which is more accurate.

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Speaker 9: I think it's the I would love to have him

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Speaker 9: as a junior because I think I don't ever feel

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Speaker 9: like he's like physically outmatched. It seems mental. Like the

2050
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 9: turnovers last night, he's just standing by the sideline. It

2051
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 9: just dribbles the ball out of bounds, like I don't

2052
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Speaker 9: know that I've ever seen that.

2053
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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 9: He had a couple other ones where one of his

2055
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Speaker 9: big problems is boy, and you talk about giving mc

2056
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Speaker 9: cronin an aneurysm. You've gotten to listen to mc cronin

2057
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Speaker 9: over the years when you were down in that space.

2058
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Speaker 9: There's nothing he ates more than a guy that gets

2059
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Speaker 9: up in the air.

2060
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Speaker 2: And then tries to pass.

2061
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Speaker 11: And Keishan Tillery does that too much.

2062
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Speaker 9: He's too good to put himself in that type of distress.

2063
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Speaker 9: Just make a sack. Like he came in and had

2064
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Speaker 9: two really good of fifths when he first came in yesterday,

2065
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Speaker 9: and then it was like he was trying to because

2066
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Speaker 9: maybe they had a big lead. He was trying to

2067
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Speaker 9: put a little mustard on it, if you will. I

2068
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Speaker 9: don't know what it was, but he definitely had one

2069
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Speaker 9: of his tougher nights last night, turning the ball over

2070
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Speaker 9: just for no reason.

2071
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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, no pressure on the ball, not really trying

2072
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Speaker 4: to make a play.

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Speaker 1: And you get that.

2074
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Speaker 4: You also get these stretches and they're brief, but they're

2075
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 4: they're impossible to not notice of two or three minutes

2076
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Speaker 4: where you could see him make multiple plays on both

2077
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Speaker 4: ends of the floor, and that's where it's like it's

2078
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 4: just tantalizing enough. And then there are stretches where I'm like,

2079
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 4: the dude is just not good enough with the ball

2080
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Speaker 4: to get major minutes at this level.

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Speaker 1: So I go back and forth.

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Speaker 9: He's the one guy that can really get in the paint,

2083
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 9: getting the teeth of the defense off the dribble consistently,

2084
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Speaker 9: and I think that's why we're.

2085
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Speaker 2: Tantalized by him.

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Speaker 9: He can. I mean, he's got a great first steps,

2087
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 9: he's good with the ball off the bounce, but it's

2088
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 9: when he tries to do too much passing that that's

2089
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 9: really given him trouble. And don't dribble the ball in

2090
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:46,440
Speaker 9: the out of bounds.

2091
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 11: Line when you're just standing there dribbling.

2092
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Speaker 9: I would coach him not to do that.

2093
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Speaker 1: That would be that would be smart coaching. Thank you as.

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Speaker 2: Always appreciate HIMOL had a good weekend.

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Speaker 4: It's our guy, Chad Randall Bert at Journal dot com.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow in the show, Mike Decorsi joins us talk some

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Speaker 4: college hoops. Speaking of college hoops, who I called it hoops,

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Speaker 4: Elaine the emailer, I'm sorry, I called it hoops. We'll

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Speaker 4: talk about college basketball with Mike de Corsi tomorrow. Speaking

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Speaker 4: of college basketball, it's coming up next NKU and IU

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Speaker 4: Indie Jim kelch Rick bring have the call next. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for listening. Thanks to Tarren Bland for producing. This

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