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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: You can also send us a question or opinion by

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Speaker 1: emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's your host,

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors faithful.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, yep. Are you ready for some snow?

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Speaker 2: You can't get away from it if you don't know

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Speaker 2: what's coming. I don't know where you've been, because they're

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Speaker 2: supposed to be the biggest storm of the season thus far.

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Speaker 2: But the other highlight I'll bring up to you both

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Speaker 2: Brett and mister Bob Saint Pierre who is here too, one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and sixty six days until this stay fair? Yeah? Really,

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Speaker 3: why do you know that? I have no idea? Did

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Speaker 3: you do?

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Speaker 4: You have a calendar where you're marking them off with

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Speaker 4: a sharpie, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Why do you know this?

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Speaker 2: They have some big sale down selling all kinds of

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Speaker 2: old stuff down there. I heard it advertised on TV

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Speaker 2: and the somebody made a comment. One of the guys

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Speaker 2: TV guys made a comment that it was one hundred

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Speaker 2: and whatever days.

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Speaker 3: Into it. Nice to see you, by the way, Oh,

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Speaker 3: it's nice to be seen. You just walked in when

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Speaker 3: the lude was calling. Well, I was talking to Brett

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Speaker 3: in the other room.

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Speaker 5: Ball pining how much we're gonna hate all the snow. Yes,

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Speaker 5: it's off. Seasons just never gonna come. It's just gonna

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Speaker 5: be snow the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Neither is the cabin. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Uh, this is a weird one though, right, I mean

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Speaker 4: it has changed from projected dusting here I don't know

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Speaker 4: four days ago to now it's it's literally armagedwa I

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Speaker 4: heard you out with Berrero yesterday talking about, you know.

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Speaker 3: Snow wageddon.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, this was like, seriously, death could result in

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Speaker 4: this storm?

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Speaker 3: What was it to?

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Speaker 4: Injury and property damage and the world may end.

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Speaker 5: So the National Weather Service on the Apple Weather app

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Speaker 5: it says winter storm Warning severity severe significant threat to

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Speaker 5: life or property. That's what it says, and it also

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Speaker 5: says for tomorrow tonight into tomorrow, travel may become impossible

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Speaker 5: late tonight and Sunday not dangerous. Not I wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 5: Not Maybe don't do that. Impossible. If you try, you

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Speaker 5: can't do it. Impossible.

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Speaker 4: I don't recall a forecast of that magnitude.

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Speaker 3: I don't either.

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Speaker 4: I really they are projecting this is the biggest storm

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Speaker 3: I think you know who knows well it's supposed to.

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Speaker 2: I think the southern part of the cities is supposed

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Speaker 2: to get hit. It keeps changing, it does.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they really don't know the National that first

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Speaker 4: I saw what you were talking about.

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Speaker 5: I think it's since moved to the cities.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get hit the worst.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, damn, I've never seen the National Weather Service issue

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Speaker 3: I think to even and eat it like it. It

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Speaker 3: literally keeps changing. Yeah it does. So it does brave.

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Speaker 5: So in case you're wondering, it's yes. So I've got it.

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Speaker 5: As it's moving a little bit further north.

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Speaker 3: So now Nord said the north side is going to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what I'm getting, just to keep you off.

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Speaker 5: So here's the latest. This is issued like five minutes ago.

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Speaker 5: The range for the Twin Cities. Snowfall is ten to

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Speaker 5: nineteen inches in a seventy two hour span.

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Speaker 3: Oh, now, the temperatures are falling.

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Speaker 4: So normally you get a March snowstorm and it's pretty

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Speaker 4: heavy snow. But the temperatures are falling, so I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: Well, according to what I saw on TV, the wind

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Speaker 2: is supposed to blow, that's true. Yeah, and it's supposed

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Speaker 3: As high, but it's gotta go someplace.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about shoveling off the deck and blowing the driveway.

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Speaker 3: Like how bad is it going to be from? I

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Speaker 2: Like take you know, cover your you take a lot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I burned some of them last week and it

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Speaker 3: I thought we were on our way to spring.

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Speaker 2: Did you get a burning permit for the cities?

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Speaker 4: Next week, and which I planned a long time ago,

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Speaker 4: was my last blast of winter going up north to

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Speaker 4: It's they got blasted up north.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my nephew is in Eskoll just I think it's

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Speaker 3: But they had ten inches yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there, I was watching, you know, the Cabins,

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Speaker 4: gun Flint Lake, your gun Flot Lodge and gun Flip

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and uh I heard them there too, So

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Speaker 2: you're you're gonna have to walk.

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Speaker 4: You just hate this type of year. Doja snow this

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Speaker 4: month of the year, and you're so ready for spring?

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Speaker 4: We got fly fish and Talk today, we got turk spring,

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Speaker 4: Turkey Hunting talk today, and it's the return of winter.

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Speaker 3: And I've been watching turkey all week, Turkey Hunting on YouTube. Yep.

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Speaker 3: There's some I don't like, but some I really do like.

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Speaker 4: Some shows you don't like, But are you gonna are

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what I don't look what don't you

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Speaker 2: like name names.

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Speaker 3: Now, what do you care? You're right, I'm not hunting.

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Speaker 2: No, but there's I think it's the age of the hunter,

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Speaker 2: or the age of the host or hosts of these shows.

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Speaker 2: The younger crowd. They shoot a turkey and you know,

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Speaker 2: you think that they were at a They were at

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Speaker 2: a Marti gras. It's just they were taking clothes off.

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Speaker 3: They all got to wear beans. I want to go

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, they're swinging the turkey around and they're laughing

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Speaker 2: and giggling or whatever. And but the ones, the shows

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Speaker 2: I want there to be I believe there should be

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Speaker 2: And uh, but that's just me. But I think it's

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Speaker 4: The gotta get kiki, gotta get the first stage of

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 4: But that's not universally age driven for I mean, I

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Speaker 4: know you like some of the younger stuff too, don't you.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I like that Pinote project. That's a isn't

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Speaker 4: that that a younger pinhoty? I don't they have a

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Speaker 4: real respect for the game. They really do, and I

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Speaker 4: I just put it back on myself. If I shoot

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Speaker 3: Same with a pheasant. And I've seen you hold a.

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Speaker 2: Pheasant and and you might be I don't know what

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Speaker 3: Kun pow pheasant. That's what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 2: But you hold of and it's a beautiful bird, just

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Speaker 2: an elegant, elegant bird. And I have all kinds of

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Speaker 2: respect for that. But and I respect what I do

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Speaker 2: when i'm hunting too, And the same with fishing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's just me. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: There's a certain gravity that is inherent when you're hunting.

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Speaker 3: In that is me.

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Speaker 2: And one other thing I've got to say is last

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Speaker 2: Well that's not normal because she generally doesn't do that.

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Speaker 2: So I got home and she was pretty lethargic and

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Speaker 2: So I called doctor Dennis Gallenberg, my vet, and I said,

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Speaker 2: better bring her in. Brought her in and did a

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Speaker 2: CT scan I think, and to look. He says it

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Speaker 2: could be an infection. Could I don't know, he says,

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Speaker 3: On I let her out. I don't know, but maybe

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Speaker 3: she did. So did the CT scan.

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Speaker 2: Well, she was filled with infection and her her uterus

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Speaker 2: I said, no, then we've got she's got to be spade.

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Speaker 2: And I can't wait. It's got to happen. Now Saturday morning.

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Speaker 3: We're talking. Was he was he open or did he

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Speaker 3: come in specifically? No, he was open.

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Speaker 2: There were two doctors in there, him and one other one.

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Speaker 2: So he says, you better leave her here. We'll get

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Speaker 2: he'd call when I could bring her home. He called

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Speaker 2: and everything worked fine. Well, he took me out. He

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Speaker 2: showed me a picture of what he had taken out.

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Speaker 2: But you or an infection. The uters he had said

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Speaker 2: is about the size of a pencil, and it's about that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe about your little favorite diametery little finger, but about

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Speaker 2: the size of a pencil. What he took out of

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Speaker 2: Breeze was about two feet long, and it looked to

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Speaker 2: be about twelve inches wide laying flat. I'm surprised that

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Speaker 2: of her. And so now she's on a cone. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was. It was pretty ugly, and so she's on

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Speaker 2: the dreaded cone for two weeks and the incision is there.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm dealing with that and it's prognosis is good.

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Speaker 3: Is good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's eaten again. Antibiatics yeah, yeah, lots of stuff,

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Speaker 2: but she's being her normal, normal self.

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Speaker 3: Well she's pretty close to that now. Yeah. Good. I

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Speaker 3: gotta keep her on a leash.

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Speaker 2: You're on a rope, a short rope when I take

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Speaker 3: Every time she goes outside. She run into the doorway

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Speaker 3: with that cone. Oh, shows into everything with that cone.

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Speaker 4: You You ever tried the inner tube like blown up

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Speaker 4: The Mississippi Rivers story shows itself.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, breand'll be here all week. Good.

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Speaker 2: We got we gotta do that story anyway. But that's

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Speaker 3: That you can count on.

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Speaker 2: That you can call and if you need one, Barrington

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Speaker 2: Oaks and Elk River is a real solid, excellent, excellent

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's wonderful and I'm glad it worked out and

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for another week to go buy though.

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Speaker 4: Do they have to pull the staples out or they dissolve?

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Speaker 2: Strand is going to be along to talk some turkey

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Speaker 2: Donny Vincent is going to be by too with a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's good. It's excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to take that pause and we'll be

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Speaker 2: back with mister John Edstrom right here with Bob Saint,

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Speaker 2: Pierre Brett, Blake Bore, our executive producer, and yours truly,

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Speaker 2: I am Billy Hildebrand, and we'll be right back twenty

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Speaker 2: minutes after the hour of six am. Fan outdoors coming

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Speaker 4: Is that your official meteorological snow Forever edition?

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Speaker 3: Snow Forever. We just nobody's gonna drive. We're going to

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome in to our conversation. A man we've known

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Speaker 2: for a long time. Bob has known him longer than I.

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Speaker 2: He runs field trials with his setters, and bottom line

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Speaker 3: A really good guy.

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Speaker 2: Mister John Edstrom joins us this morning. John, Good morning, sir.

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Speaker 7: Good morning guys. How's it going well?

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Speaker 3: Not too bad? How about you?

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Speaker 7: I'm doing fine.

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Speaker 8: I'm just sitting you drinking coffee at my fly tying desk,

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Speaker 8: looking at about thirteen bas flies. They got to trim

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Speaker 8: up here one of these days soon and can't complain.

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Speaker 7: I can't complain.

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Speaker 8: I'm ahead of the game there, So that's good.

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Speaker 2: That is good. Bass flies. What's whatever switet a bass

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Speaker 8: they just they're bigger hooks, bigger material, bulkier, harder to

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Speaker 7: So they just.

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Speaker 8: Tend to be a bigger silhouette and move more water

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Speaker 7: It does.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the small mouth on a fly rod is

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Speaker 8: So yeah, absolutely absolutely large mouths. Unfortunately, it seems that

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Speaker 7: But small mouths are just awesome. They're just great.

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Speaker 3: Would that would be impossible?

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Speaker 3: They drag the boat around, they drag you around.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to I don't know, if you had your

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I would guess.

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Speaker 2: So catch a release trout season I read is open now.

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Speaker 3: The release of fish.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's for sure.

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Speaker 8: But then the harvest season starts sometime in April. But

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Speaker 7: So there's a little bit of.

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Speaker 8: Encouragement to keep some of these fish just to thin

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Speaker 3: Or or go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was thinking about you know somebody that's you know,

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's.

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Speaker 4: So my My inclination is that it's probably easier to

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's easier.

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Speaker 4: To actually start with trout or and work your way

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Speaker 3: Do you have an opinion there?

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Speaker 8: I do.

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Speaker 7: I guess I've seen it.

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Speaker 8: This year is a big number of years for me

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Speaker 7: Bob, and I would agree with you.

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Speaker 8: Starting with bluegills. Getting a few baths here and there

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Speaker 4: It's it's also easier to start on top the water

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, that's a good way to do it. Surface

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Speaker 8: You can take it to the trout stream later on

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Speaker 8: You can continue to fish here and I can go

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Speaker 8: into fly fishing, because if you skip that step, you know,

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Speaker 8: and then move them into fly maybe around ten age ten, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Do trout then with the weather conditions as fronts come

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Speaker 8: And it's not as dramatic as lakes, but it is.

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Speaker 7: So basically what they.

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Speaker 8: still have to eat something, so they still they're probably

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00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 8: gonna eat things like little tiny midges and smaller nymphs

442
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 8: that aren't hatching that day, so it effects it on

443
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 8: the surface.

444
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 7: For without question, you guys, you'll see far less.

445
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 8: Surface activity on a trout stream on a cold front situation,

446
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 8: but yet you will catch them. You will be able

447
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 8: to catch them. It'll be harder on subsurface.

448
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: Are you still teaching fly tying out at Cabellas?

449
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, we do have every first Wednesday of the month.

450
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 8: So what I like to refer to is when you

451
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 8: hear the siren go off at first Wednesday of the month,

452
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 8: that's the day.

453
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 7: Yeah. I haven't found a good graphic for that yet,

454
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 7: and maybe you know one, Bob, But when you hear.

455
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: The one o'clock tornado siren, think fly fishing and John Edstrom.

456
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: Don't go to the basement. It doesn't make any difference

457
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: in fly fishing there you go.

458
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, And and some guys will even tie a

459
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 8: white jig with pink heather body.

460
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 7: Big tying too.

461
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: Worms.

462
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 8: We yeah, we've moved into the terminology for sand on worms, U.

463
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: Crash flies, trash flies.

464
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: Before we read out of time, tell us about your

465
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 4: business and how people can find you.

466
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I'm on Instagram on John Underscore Edstrom, and

467
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 8: I'm also on the web at Headwatersflyfishing dot Com, or

468
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 8: just stop in at the Rogers Cabellas. And I'm back

469
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 8: in the fly shop fishing department.

470
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 6: All the time.

471
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 8: So when I'm not in the water, come summer season here,

472
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 8: I'll be out in the water more. But when I'm

473
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 8: not in the water, I'm absolutely in that store come summertime.

474
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 8: And I'm there today, so come and see me.

475
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: Wonderful John Edstrom, thank you, my friend.

476
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: I appreciate your time, buddy, and waking up early perhaps,

477
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: but don't get stuck in the snow, all.

478
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 7: Right, I'll do my best, guys.

479
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks John, Thank you John.

480
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: That's John Edstrom, really, really a good guy. And if

481
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: you want to learn a whole bunch about fly fishing,

482
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: get in the drift boat with him and drifts the

483
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: Mississippi River. You will come away a different angler, a

484
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: much more accomplished angler. Of that, I guarantee will take

485
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: a pause and be back talking some turkey. And I

486
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: did learn some things too in this last week too,

487
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: And I knew him before, but.

488
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: I didn't realize I knew him that. I'm looking forward

489
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: to fighting out what that might be. You don't go

490
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: with you right back after this and.

491
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: We're back fan out tours coming. You wait till the

492
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: eight o'clock hour, our next guest. You know I've been

493
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: I've been talking thinking turkey, talking turkey for a while,

494
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: and and I know last year you have Yeah, I know,

495
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: I love turkey. But last year we made it a

496
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: point to encourage new hunters to try it, to just

497
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: go out and try turkey hunting. And after the season

498
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: was over, I got a fair number of comments coming

499
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: in texts, direct texts and.

500
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: Saying thanks for doing this. You were right on. It

501
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: was so much fun. Or a couple of people.

502
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: Scored birds and just had a blast, And that's kind

503
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: of literal. Just one blast and multiple blasts don't make

504
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: seem to make a whole lot of difference, at least

505
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: for me. If I'm going to shoot more than one time,

506
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: I might as well shoot fifty times because I'm not

507
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: going to get them.

508
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: But I missed the best shot anyway.

509
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: So our next guest is going to talk to us

510
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: a stream of consciousness.

511
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: It does.

512
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: It just kind of goes ye. In fact, I missed

513
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: a couple of them that I was so upset with me.

514
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: I'm just holding out on the Billy Hillebrand roller coaster.

515
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: You have no idea, man.

516
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: It came right in and I put that gun right

517
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: on its head and squeezed the trigger, and I think

518
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: I shot right over the top of him because his

519
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: head went down. The wea went and I pushed two

520
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: more shells in the air and didn't make any difference.

521
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: He just kept going and going and going and going.

522
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: Mark Strand is joining us right now because he is

523
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: a turkey hunter with a lot of experience, and he

524
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: makes an effort to introduce people to turkey hunting also,

525
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: but he also is with the experience. We've tapped into

526
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: that for the last few years and appreciate it.

527
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: Mark.

528
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 9: Good morning, sir, Hey, good morning guys.

529
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 7: How are you.

530
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm not too bad. Are you feeling a little better?

531
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 9: Yes, I'm recovery from multiple injuries. I think I told

532
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 9: you guys that I lost out on my entire fall

533
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 9: hunting season, and I'm going to lose out on the

534
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 9: entire spring turkey season also due to a wipeout in

535
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 9: my driveway. Injured my foot and both of my shoulders,

536
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 9: and I've had two surgeries. So but boy, was that

537
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 9: good to hear when you said that some new turkey

538
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 9: hunters contacted you last year at the end of the

539
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 9: season and said, hey, you were right that I had

540
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 9: a blast doing that. That that makes my day right there.

541
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: I totally agree, Mark, I just I think that turkey

542
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: hunting has begun become one of my most favorite hunts

543
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: that I enjoy and enjoy and look forward to so much.

544
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 9: Oh sure, yeah, yeah, So I want to hear from

545
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 9: you too.

546
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 7: Now.

547
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 9: It sounds like you dialed up the Pinhoony project and

548
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 9: maybe a bunch of other projects, and so what have

549
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 9: you been like, give me a couple of the takeaways

550
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 9: that you've picked up on just recently by watching that stuff.

551
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: Well one of them and I've I said, I've known

552
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: this before, but I didn't.

553
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: I really didn't. I didn't realize it.

554
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: And that one of the most important things and qualities

555
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: a hunter can have, which Bob seems to be fairly

556
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: short of.

557
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: It is patience.

558
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: Patience. It's not it's not the patience that you would

559
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: really think of. But if when I, like last year,

560
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: I heard a gobble off in the distance, and that's

561
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: the direction I took off, and I went there and

562
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 2: there wasn't another gobble, I mean, it was quiet. I

563
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: got over to where I thought in general area and

564
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: found myself just a dandy spot to sit and put

565
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: a couple of decoys out, and I called a few times, nothing,

566
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: call a few times, nothing. And then I was just

567
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of just being patient. I wasn't doing anything, but

568
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't calling. I wasn't doing anything. Once in a while,

569
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: i'd putt a little bit.

570
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: Tom came.

571
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 9: You did some calling when you first got there, till

572
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 9: I did know that you were where you were.

573
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: That's the patience I'm talking about, because they don't fire

574
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: on off all the time and tell you I'm coming in.

575
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: Those are the kind I like to hunt. Captain. I know,

576
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: I like to talk to this, but they don't.

577
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: All.

578
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, the only thing about that I would say is

579
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 9: patients can be a really important thing as long as

580
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 9: you know you're in an area where there are turkeys,

581
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 9: or you strongly suspect they'll be there at some you know,

582
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 9: maybe you're scouting has indicated that you know, there's a

583
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 9: particular time that the last three days in a row,

584
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 9: it showed up in this corner of the field at

585
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 9: around nine in the morning or something like that. Well,

586
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 9: at eight point thirty in the morning that it would

587
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 9: be very smart to be sitting at that corner of

588
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 9: that field. And then, uh yeah, don't you. Patience is

589
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 9: important as long as you feel like it's going to

590
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 9: lead somewhere. But I know you guys have heard this

591
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 9: a number of times. Dave Gen's the ice fishing guy.

592
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 9: One of his best things that he's ever come up

593
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 9: with is how long does it take to catch nothing?

594
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 9: And what that means is how long are you going

595
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 9: to sit there in that same hole and fish if

596
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 9: you're not catching anything? And so you also want to

597
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 9: modify that a little bit by what would the philosophy

598
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 9: being if you don't have anything going on and you know,

599
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 9: how long are you how long are you going to

600
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 9: be patient in that spot? If if nothing is happening.

601
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: Right, they got it, they gotta be active. I can

602
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: tell you that.

603
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: I like one that shot gobbles and then comes in

604
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: on a full.

605
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 9: Tilt running and the beard swishing back.

606
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: That is turkey hunting mark. That's the fun one.

607
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 9: I'm I'm kind of oft that school too, where you know,

608
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 9: and I learned that the guy who taught me more

609
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 9: about turkey hunting than anyone else ever will Is Ray.

610
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 9: I the guy from Missouri, and he's kind of he's

611
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 9: the godfather of all the turkey trolls, and and he

612
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 9: doesn't do a lot of sitting around. He's he's the

613
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 9: Bob Saint Pierre. He's moving, moving and calling and they're

614
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 9: not calling back and having his way. He's continuing to

615
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 9: look and and it comes down to We've talked about

616
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 9: this a bunch of times too. I remember telling you

617
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 9: guys the story about the construction company down in southeast

618
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 9: Minnesota that owned a ten acre parcel with some with

619
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 9: gravel on it. So they owned this piece of property

620
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 9: just to just to take the gravel off of it.

621
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 9: And I got permission to hunt on this ten acres

622
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 9: and that's all I had permission on. But it was

623
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 9: surrounded by big ridges and you know, large tracks of

624
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 9: mature timber and whatnot. And so here's where patience was everything.

625
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 9: I didn't have any choice. I couldn't be moving around.

626
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 9: I had ten acres to hunt, and I sat there

627
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 9: and called loud and you know, like an excited turkey

628
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 9: that wants to get together with other turkeys, as Ray

629
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 9: taught me to do. And three years in a row,

630
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 9: I believe it might even have been four shot a

631
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 9: nice tom on that ten acre parcel and call them

632
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 9: in off the surrounding countryside. And so what you do

633
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 9: and how you hunt can oftentimes be dictated by you know,

634
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 9: how much room do you have to operate to move around?

635
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: On the other thing too, when I when I get

636
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: out of the truck, I'm familiar with where I'm going.

637
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: I've scouted out, I been there, and I've seen sign

638
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: and a lot of other things. And I know these

639
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: birds are moving from winter ground which is about a

640
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: couple miles away. But there's funneling back in along this

641
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: wildlife area. Actually it's all public ground. But I'll hear

642
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: them gobble off in the distance, so I know there's

643
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: birds there.

644
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: But when I get out.

645
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: Of the truck, if I will just live or I'll

646
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: call from where the truck is part rather than just

647
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: take going out and sitting down, I always most of

648
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: the time I'll hear a gobble and that's the direction

649
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: I go. Oftentimes I get out of the truck thinking

650
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the right, and I hear

651
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: it bird gobble to the left. There goes that I'm

652
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: heading that direction, and then I'll call again. Sometimes they

653
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: answer and they'll be coming, and then you need to

654
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: sit down and stop.

655
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 9: I like it, Yeah, I like what you just said.

656
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 7: All of that.

657
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 9: And it comes down to scouting being so important as

658
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 9: long as you can do it. And as you, let's say,

659
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 9: you really get into Turkey hunting and you start to

660
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 9: travel a lot. And boy, there were some years where

661
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 9: I was just like a traveling maniac when it came

662
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 9: to Turkey. Now start on south in March and work

663
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 9: my way up and weaving around and end up uh,

664
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 9: until I was mathematically eliminated, you know, hunting in Minnesota

665
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 9: or Wisconsin or something at the end of May. And

666
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 9: so in that case, you end up you're never in

667
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 9: the same place. You don't know that ground, you've never

668
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 9: hunted it, you've you've never scouted it, and and that

669
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 9: becomes a different deal entirely. And and then and then

670
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 9: I employ something that I call scout hunting, where I uh, I,

671
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 9: I have the gun in my hand or the bowl

672
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 9: or whatever, uh, and I'm and I'm gonna take it

673
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 9: if it happens, but I don't pressure it a lot.

674
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 9: I don't push it, especially on the first day or

675
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 9: two and and but rather I'm learning the land, figuring

676
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 9: out seeing where birds are and what they're doing right

677
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 9: right now, and hoping to get closer to getting a

678
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 9: turkey by the hour as you go. So there's all

679
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 9: these different ways to hunt turkeys, but whenever you can

680
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 9: rely on scouting, it's for sure a huge advantage.

681
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 2: The man that taught me and Eric also initially about

682
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: turkey hunting, had said he took us over to the

683
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: Minnesota River bottoms and we were off a road up

684
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: high looking down and he said, now we'll call here

685
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: and see if we get a response. And he did call.

686
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: We did get a response, and he said, that bird

687
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: that responds, they know the tree that that call was

688
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: coming from.

689
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: They're that good. They can come to that tree.

690
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 9: And I exactly that kind of you know exactly where

691
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 9: the calling.

692
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: Is going, that's right, And he said, we're going to

693
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: have to leave because I don't want them to find

694
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: us here because we're not hunting. So we did, well

695
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: keep that in mind when you call, because if that

696
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: bird knows exactly where the call came from, what I've

697
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: seen on some of these films on TV, they'll have

698
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 2: somebody behind where the gun guy is sitting or behind,

699
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: so the turkey will come by them looking for the call.

700
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: Now, is that a good.

701
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 6: Idea or a way to do it?

702
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 4: Oh?

703
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a great strategy. And

704
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 9: when you're the caller, and this is what I do

705
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 9: a lot of that now because you know, I've just

706
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 9: gotten to the point where I don't I don't need

707
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 9: to shoot anymore to help me to be a happy person,

708
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 9: you know, So I'll do that a lot where And

709
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 9: here's something to know about that that's really important. When

710
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 9: so you got your shooter and that person is sitting

711
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 9: up against a tree, let's say, and uh, and you're

712
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 9: the caller and you're behind the shooter. What you can

713
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 9: do that helps the hunters see the turkey and present

714
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 9: and and and the turkey present a shot is you

715
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 9: can you can move that turkey left and right as

716
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 9: it's coming in by directing your calls to the right

717
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 9: or to the left. And and what that does you know,

718
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 9: Let's let's say you're using a slate call. The calling

719
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 9: is going to go out the bottom of the call.

720
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 9: So wherever the bottom of the call is aiming, which

721
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 9: sometimes it might be directly at the ground, right, and

722
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 9: and so that's going to allow that for the pinpoint

723
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 9: right where you are. If you turn the call and

724
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 9: aim at out to the right, so that the back

725
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 9: end of the call is aiming out to your right,

726
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 9: and then you call on it, it's going to sound

727
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 9: like it's coming from over that direction, and that'll cause

728
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 9: that turkey to turn and move that way in almost

729
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 9: all cases. And then you the next time you call,

730
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 9: you turn it and aim it to the left, and

731
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 9: that causes the turkey to swerve to the opposite direction

732
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 9: as it's coming in. And it greatly helps the shooter

733
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 9: spot the turkey, because if the turkey comes straight in,

734
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 9: there might be two trees that are blocking the view

735
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 9: of the shooter the entire time, and they don't see

736
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 9: the bird, and so it's just about on top of them.

737
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 9: And and that's that's a tremendous help to the to

738
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 9: the shooter. Is I call it rocking them back and forth.

739
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 9: So if you could rock that turkey back and forth

740
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 9: left and right as it's coming in, it greatly assists

741
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 9: the shooter. It almost always results in a presenting a

742
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 9: shot when that bird's out there at like twenty five

743
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 9: yards or something, which.

744
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 6: Is what you want.

745
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: Then the other thing I've noticed, Mark, is that a

746
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: lot of these people, especially in the south or the

747
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: hunting woods, will muss up the leaves, the dry leaves,

748
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: as though a bird is feeding in the leaves. And

749
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: when they move, they don't just walk the gate that

750
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: a human would gate, but they don't make a hole. No,

751
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: they try not to break branches, but they'll walk in

752
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: the leaves as a turkey would. And as I hear

753
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: them when I was scouting, they're the noisiest critter when

754
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: they come across the forest floor, but they could be

755
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: dead silent.

756
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 9: I don't know how they do that, just like a pheasant.

757
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 9: When a pheasant flushes, sometimes it sounds like a barn

758
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 9: is falling over a fine after one hundred and fifty years,

759
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 9: you know. And then sometimes they get up and flush

760
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 9: and you barely can hear their wings at all. And

761
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 9: I've often had a theory that they can do it

762
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 9: if they want to, and you're right. Sometimes when a

763
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 9: turkey comes walking through the leaves, it sounds like they're

764
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 9: deliberately trying to make as much noise as possible. And

765
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 9: other times they can come walking in and you can't

766
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 9: hear anything from their feet, and I can't quite understand

767
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 9: how they pull that off. But I like what you

768
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 9: said about walking as well. And when I go hunting

769
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 9: with somebody who hasn't hunted turkeys before, we always practice this,

770
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 9: even if it's just for a minute. Use what I

771
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 9: call muscle control. As your foot is going to come

772
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 9: down and touch the ground, you land on your heel

773
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 9: and you rock forward onto the ball of your feet

774
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 9: your foot and if you that way, two good things happen.

775
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 9: You'll feel a stick most of the time before you

776
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 9: snap it, and you can rock back on your heel

777
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 9: again and move your foot over a little way is

778
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 9: where there's no stick, so that I don't like crunching

779
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 9: six when we're walking. And the other thing you don't

780
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 9: want to do is shuffle your feet so that they scrape.

781
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 9: Scraping bottom of the boots is kryptonite to the They

782
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 9: hate it. If you make that kind of a sound

783
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 9: when you're walking. You might as well be going through

784
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 9: there with police sirens because you're going to be repelling

785
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 9: turkeys if you walk like that. So you have to

786
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 9: use muscle control, lift your foot up, don't scrape the

787
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 9: bottom of your boots, and when you get tired and

788
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 9: get lazy, that's when that happens. Don't scrape your pant

789
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 9: legs together on the inside, don't scrape the viot in

790
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 9: your boots on the ground. Land softly, using muscle control

791
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 9: on your heel, Rock forward slowly onto the ball of

792
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 9: your feet, and you can develop almost a bird like

793
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 9: cadence to the way you walk to your point, and

794
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 9: you sound like an animal walking. So it doesn't matter

795
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 9: if they hear you walking, because you don't sound bad.

796
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: Well, And that's what a deer file sounds like when

797
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: they're coming through the woods to it on dry leaves.

798
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 9: The turkeys are listening to deer and other turkeys and

799
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 9: whatever walking all the time. As long as it sounds natural,

800
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 9: it's not going to put them on alarm.

801
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: Mark, we have to take a pause. You stay, Can

802
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: you stay with us for a segment?

803
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 9: Absolutely wonderful.

804
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: Our guest is Mark Strand, and we're talking turkeys, and

805
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: we come back. We'll talk a little bit about the

806
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: essential equipment you need and how easy it is to

807
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: get geared up. You're probably pretty much geared already.

808
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 4: Or zero decoys, one decoy, two decoys, a hen a

809
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: Tom Jakes.

810
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: There's so many choices, Captain, what do you need? Yeah,

811
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: you can mount a turkey too. Oh they get an

812
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 3: actual one. Yeah, we should talk about that.

813
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's a bad idea. I can just tell you that,

814
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: a real bad idea. We'll be right back with Mark

815
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: Strand after this. Four minutes, after the hour of seven o'clock.

816
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: We're back.

817
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: It's still dark out there, Yes it is, so we

818
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: have more daylay at the end.

819
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: Of the day, we do it, what do you do?

820
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: And that makes quite a difference, makes quite a difference.

821
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: Todays are still getting longer as far as day like

822
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: ghosts too.

823
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 3: So that's all a good thing, our guests.

824
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: Mister Mark Strand, we're talking turkeys, and I'm just thinking

825
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: during the break, that's really.

826
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: Gonna strut them down this snow start. Yeah, well that

827
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that too, Mark.

828
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're about a month away from season A, so

829
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm guessing you can't learn a whole heck of a

830
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: lot right now this far out about scouting turkeys. That

831
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: they're not even going to be in the same spot

832
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 4: in the month from now, are.

833
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 9: They some of them were? You know, there's always uh

834
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 9: where they winter, you know, and in winter time is

835
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 9: when you see really big flocks of turkeys because we're

836
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 9: where they're gathering is somewhere that's within usually within about

837
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 9: three hundred yards of a reliable winter food supply, and

838
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 9: then and then pretty good roosting trees, sometimes with with cover,

839
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 9: including pine trees, I believe it or not. And there's

840
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 9: always going to be some that stick around the mother ship,

841
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 9: you know, the place where they all spent the winter,

842
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 9: But there just won't be as many of them because

843
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 9: there's there's so many factors that drive this. But nature

844
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 9: has a way of spreading animals across the countryside as

845
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 9: the snow melts and more food in the form of insects,

846
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 9: for example, that become available to them. So you're you're

847
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 9: absolutely right in saying that there's an awful lot of

848
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 9: places that have no turkeys in them right now that

849
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 9: will have turkeys as the string progresses. But there will

850
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 9: always be some in the winter in the wintering spot.

851
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: But mark the birds flock together by sex of the

852
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: winter time.

853
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, so you.

854
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: See big flocks of hens, may see flocks of Tom's too,

855
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: and they they get along on the winter.

856
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

857
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 9: Two degrees but but you also see a mixed in

858
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 9: the winter as well. Oh yeah, yeah, and and and

859
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 9: particularly as the because you'll start to you know, you'll

860
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 9: you'll see the the toms strutting for the hens long

861
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 9: before the the hens show any show that they even

862
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 9: appear to notice that the arms are there. Like, so

863
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 9: they do mix, Yeah, for sure, especially given the fact

864
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 9: that that you know this this particular location that has

865
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 9: a lot of turkeys in it is the is the

866
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 9: best one closest to the best winter food supply. But

867
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 9: that the closer to the actual day of your hunt

868
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 9: that you do your scouting, the more valuable that scouting

869
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 9: information is going to be. To box point that they're

870
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 9: not They're not going to be exactly doing the same things,

871
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 9: especially after the big snow comes than they are after

872
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 9: after the after the world comes alive and things warm up.

873
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: One of the things I noticed watching some of these

874
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: videos is the hunters will often have a wing or

875
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: part of a wing of a real bird, or it

876
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: looks like they're either a whole wing or a part

877
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: of a wing of a whole bird, and they'll simulate

878
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: a fly down by uh beating the side of their

879
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: leg real fast as the wings with it from a

880
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: bird flying down.

881
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 3: What value is that?

882
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 9: It's it's okay, it's it's It's probably similar to taking

883
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 9: your temperature to try to determine whether you're sick or not.

884
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 9: Some of the doctors say that's busy work for the parents,

885
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 9: you know, so not. You can use your hat. You

886
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 9: can use a baseball hat and and bang that against

887
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 9: your leg. You can make a thing where you have

888
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 9: two dowels and and a and a and a patch

889
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 9: of material, you know, kind of soft material, and then

890
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 9: you can sit there and like, uh, work the dowels

891
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 9: toward each other and then snap it, snap it tight.

892
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 9: Do that a bunch of times fast, and that'll sound

893
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 9: like a turkey flying down. But you you don't need

894
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 9: to do any of that, just just call to them

895
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 9: in such a way and get them. So we're talking

896
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 9: now about the time when the turkeys are still up

897
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 9: in the tree, and the most important thing you do

898
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 9: with turkeys that are still up in the tree is

899
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 9: to get them turned around facing you and gobbling at

900
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 9: you every time, rather than at the you know, ten

901
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 9: real hens that are calling from from different locations. You

902
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 9: want to get that turkey turned toward you. Gobbling at

903
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 9: you and do it with calling personally. I don't think

904
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 9: you have to do it. It's not going to hurt

905
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 9: anything to simulate the sound of a fly down. But

906
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 9: it's it's it's certainly not crucial.

907
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 3: I've never done that.

908
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: That's why I I would like to have videotape you

909
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: doing that.

910
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: Next time you try it, try it. I'm not going

911
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: to use it. Probably killed my break my leg, So.

912
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 9: We tea you couldn't pay me enough money to carry

913
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 9: a wing. If you're gonna do anything, use your hat

914
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 9: and and wap it against the side of your leg.

915
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: I don't think you need to do anything. That's my

916
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: take on the thing.

917
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 9: So we don't need to do anything. It's absolutely correct.

918
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 9: There's a there's a better chance that you're going to

919
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 9: make a bad sound and that you're going to execute

920
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 9: the fly down, uh perfectly. And and and by by

921
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 9: that Tom here he already knows you're on the ground.

922
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: Okay, with the basic we.

923
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 9: Need to tell him that you're going down.

924
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: What do people need, because we're going to run out

925
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: of time here, what do people need as far as

926
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: the basics to think about having or having when you're

927
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: going to go turkey hunting.

928
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 9: Absolutely should pattern your shotgun that you're going to use.

929
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 9: It's crucial to understand that just because your friend's gun

930
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 9: likes a certain load load, meaning the shotgun shell, that

931
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 9: doesn't mean that your gun is going to do that.

932
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 9: And there's so many chokes, the thing that you screw

933
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 9: into the end of the barrel that constricts the shot.

934
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 9: There are so many types of chokes. You have to

935
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 9: settle on a choke tube and a load that throws

936
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 9: a beautiful pattern. And there's all these variables. Let's do

937
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 9: this on one of the one of the next times

938
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 9: that we do this. But there's TSS shot, there's regular

939
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 9: lead shot, there's you know, other other things that you

940
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 9: can buy. And you have to settle on a combination

941
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 9: of the shot and the choke tube so that you

942
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 9: know how that gun shoots. And you I always tell

943
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 9: people use really big pieces of paper to pattern your

944
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 9: shotgun and tape it right on it. This was thirty

945
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 9: yards with the number six shot or number five shot

946
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 9: or whatever, and tape it to the wall in your

947
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 9: garage or whatever, and look at it every day before

948
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 9: the turkey season, so you burn it into your mind

949
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 9: how big your pattern is at different distances. So that's

950
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 9: that's that's one of the most important things. Doing only

951
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 9: the turkey calls with you that you sound good.

952
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: With, don't do.

953
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 7: The worst thing you can do.

954
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 9: Is using a mouth.

955
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 7: Sorry, don't pattern.

956
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 3: Your gun on the side of your garage.

957
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 9: Though, no, no, but tape tape the piece of paper

958
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 9: that your pattern the gun on to the inside of

959
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 9: the and then look at it. But and then it's

960
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 9: really important to only bring turkey calls that you sound

961
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 9: good with in the woods. And then we started to

962
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 9: talk about decoys. And that's a long subject in and

963
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 9: of itself, but the very best if you're only going

964
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 9: to bring one, and I really think most people should

965
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 9: only bring one. It should be a breeding posture hand.

966
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 9: They sometimes won't lay down hands. Put that decoy out,

967
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 9: if you know, if you can tell the direction that

968
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 9: the turkey's coming from, I want that hand sitting so

969
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 9: that when the turkey shows up, he's looking at her backside.

970
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 9: I don't want that turkey to think that that hand

971
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 9: decoy can see him yet. I want him to keep

972
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 9: coming until he thinks that she can see him. If

973
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 9: you're going to put out a jake decoy, I do

974
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 9: not want a defiant pasture full thrut Jake or Tom.

975
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 9: Those things, Uh, when they work, it's spectacular that and

976
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 9: certainly dominant times that are in the right mood will

977
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 9: come in and fight with that decoy and put the

978
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 9: boots to it and knock it down. But there's way

979
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 9: too many instances when even a mature Tom is not

980
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 9: in the mood for a fight with a jake. Might

981
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 9: have got his butt kicked by a group of jakes

982
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 9: two days ago or something, and that's still freshing his mind.

983
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: And about the only the only other thing you need.

984
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: But the only other thing you need is camel clothing.

985
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: You need a gun, you need camel clothing. And that's

986
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: basically what you need for the basics to hunt turkeys.

987
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 7: Correct, yeah, right.

988
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 9: Right, And and then the most important thing is hold still.

989
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 9: That's the best camouflage, is.

990
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 6: Mark.

991
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: We gotta go, buddy.

992
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: We'll have to catch up on it another time, but

993
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: I thank you and we'll talk again. That's Mark Strand.

994
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: And Uh.

995
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: We can get into very specific, very detailed instructions, but

996
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: the real bottom line is you don't have to have

997
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: a choke tube for a gun. You just have to

998
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: have a gun that will take the size shells. You

999
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: know what size they are, and if you've never hunted before,

1000
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: that's probably the gun you're going to use. The other

1001
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: things that will get specific, but it's specific to a gun.

1002
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: You need camel clothing, you need some kind of a

1003
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: boots to keep you your feet comfortable, and you need

1004
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 2: a face mask or face paint. But the face mask

1005
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: is what I would recommend. And listen to us, we

1006
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: keep talking turkeys and go out and have a black

1007
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: We'll talk turkeys again after after the story.

1008
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.

1009
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: We'll take a pause, coming back with mister Donnie Vincent

1010
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: and a brand new video that he has just released.

1011
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: It's incredible. We'll be right back twenty two minutes after

1012
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: the hour of seven, and I'm on a fan outdoors

1013
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: Saturday morning. Keep it right here though, because following Fan

1014
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: Outdoors is in the zone Tucker and Sinecon and then

1015
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: it's all good stuff, so you can listen, listen, listen.

1016
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, listen, and just keep it right here.

1017
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, our next guest, Bob, introduce our next guest.

1018
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 4: We're thrilled to have back Donnie Vincent. Just across the

1019
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 4: river in the Hudson, Wisconsin area, joining us. He's a filmmaker,

1020
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 4: an adventure. He's a University of Minnesota alumni and the

1021
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 4: biology degree. And it's got a brand new film out

1022
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 4: called The Way Back.

1023
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: And this is the YouTube description.

1024
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 4: The Way Back is a cinematic exploration of memory, identity,

1025
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 4: and the quiet forces that shape a life. It's a

1026
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 4: hell of an introduction for what I interpreted to be

1027
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 4: a hunting film, but it's probably my favorite piece of

1028
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 4: content Donnie's ever produced.

1029
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: Donnie, thank you very much for joining us this morning.

1030
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: How are you?

1031
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 6: I'm good? How are you guys?

1032
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 3: Not bad?

1033
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm not excited about the snow coming, Donnie, But so

1034
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: it goes.

1035
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 3: I guess she didn't ask me.

1036
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'll happen one more time, it'll hit us hard,

1037
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 6: one more time, it'll be it'll be gone one more

1038
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 6: one more final blizzard before Turkey season.

1039
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1040
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: The So the new film is called The Way Back.

1041
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 4: And I've thought about that title a lot because that

1042
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: title means a variety of different things.

1043
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 3: What's it mean to you? How'd you come up with

1044
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: the title.

1045
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 4: Because I think it could mean the way back, could

1046
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 4: mean the way back.

1047
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's it mean?

1048
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 6: To you, it's yeah, it's a it's a it's kind

1049
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 6: of the travel that I keep making myself every time

1050
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 6: i'm you know, find myself in the wilderness or every

1051
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 6: time I find myself in a peaceful place outside. And

1052
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 6: so it's you know, it's the healing of the mind, body,

1053
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 6: and soul. It's the medicine that I ended up finding

1054
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 6: in the woods and and the things that I discovered,

1055
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 6: you know, when when there, whether that be in my

1056
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 6: backyard or whether that be Alaska. And so, you know,

1057
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 6: when you're a young man, you kind of have this

1058
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 6: notion of, you know, you want to I wanted to

1059
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 6: emulate the writers that I was reading when I was younger,

1060
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 6: and I wanted to, you know, I thought these gentlemen

1061
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 6: were writing about conquering the outdoors, if you will. I

1062
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 6: didn't realize at first that in their descriptions what they

1063
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 6: were really doing was becoming part of this journey, and

1064
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 6: they were articulating the things that they were witnessing and seeing.

1065
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 6: And now that I go back and read their words

1066
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 6: that were shaping them as younger men, I see that

1067
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 6: they were writing very similar things that I was, you know,

1068
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 6: misunderstanding at first. But to me, it's a journey. It's

1069
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 6: kind of a recertification of oneself, if you will, the

1070
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 6: things that you tie yourself in a not with in

1071
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 6: society and relationships and work and just who we are

1072
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 6: as human beings and the things that we get our

1073
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 6: size selves tied up into going back and understanding what

1074
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 6: is primal and what is original and what really gives

1075
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 6: us a mental health some soul food.

1076
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: Donnie, you made some statements that I grabbed and it

1077
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 2: says an awful lot to me. And I think, without

1078
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,479
Speaker 2: even thinking of I believe this with all my heart.

1079
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: But you said at one point, you said you use

1080
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: the day you're given and let that be enough. And

1081
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: I thought, that's that's pretty profound. And for a hunter,

1082
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: an angler, anybody, I think if you keep that in mind,

1083
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: you're going to be much more satisfied with each day.

1084
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 7: Absolutely.

1085
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 6: And I used to when I was younger, Billy, I

1086
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 6: would run from I was trying to to experience as

1087
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 6: much as possible. And Bob, I listened to some of

1088
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 6: your journeys in the fall and and and I hear, like,

1089
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 6: I know you're really busy with seconds forever. And I

1090
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 6: hear about your travels with the birds, and I'm and

1091
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 6: I just love the idea of you going to all

1092
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 6: these different habitats and seeing all these different animals. But

1093
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 6: when I was younger, I would do that as well,

1094
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 6: but I would space them far too close together, and

1095
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 6: I just thought I kind of had to live my

1096
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 6: life like a hunting TV show. I mean know it's

1097
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 6: silly to say right now, but I would, you know,

1098
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 6: I would go anilope hunting someplace for seven days, and

1099
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 6: then I would drive literally to the next state and

1100
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 6: go white tail hunting. And then i'd, you know, I'd

1101
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 6: go back to school for a little bit, and then

1102
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 6: I'd go to Manitoba and hunt snow geese, and then

1103
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 6: I'd go to Deef Lake in northern Minnesota and hunt bluebills.

1104
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 6: And I would try to accomplish as much as possible

1105
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 6: because fall was so short. I would do these things,

1106
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 6: but then I would tie myself in a knot because

1107
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 6: I was just taking a slice off the top of

1108
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 6: every little place that I went. But I I thought

1109
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 6: that's what I had it too. I thought I had

1110
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 6: to go and see all these different things to be

1111
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 6: experiencing fall. But I wasn't experiencing anything. I was experiencing

1112
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 6: a lot of rush and a lot of haste, and

1113
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 6: if everything was perfect, which you guys know it never is, weather, animals, everything,

1114
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 6: you would occasionally strike it hot and you'd have a

1115
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 6: beautiful morning, or you'd have a great evening or something

1116
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 6: along those lines. And then years ago I went to

1117
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 6: Alaska and I had an opportunity to go to the

1118
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 6: Arctic Circle for I think it was for six.

1119
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 7: Or seven days.

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Speaker 6: Or the pilot that was dropping me off, he's like,

1121
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 6: I can pick you up in six days, or I

1122
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 6: can pick you up in twelve days. I said, pick

1123
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 6: me up in twelve days. So I went for a

1124
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 6: twelve day trip. And then it struck me of how

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01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 6: much I experienced in that twelve days and the things

1126
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 6: I was actually really able to see, the birds, the plants,

1127
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 6: the animals that I was hunting, the weather, and I

1128
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 6: was able to slow things down and experience them much more.

1129
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 6: And then I started going to the Arctic for twenty

1130
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 6: days and then thirty days, and of course this was

1131
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 6: in my career that I could start doing these things,

1132
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 6: and I just started to really understand that we have

1133
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 6: one day, that's it. Try not to put tomorrow ahead

1134
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 6: of it. Try not to worry about yesterday. These are

1135
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 6: huge landscapes of land, and even when you're duck hunting

1136
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 6: or peasant hunting or whatever, you only you know with pheasants.

1137
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 6: You only have the peace of land that you're on

1138
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 6: right now, this moment, with your dogs, with your shotgun.

1139
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 6: I urge you to pay ultra attention to the things

1140
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 6: that you're doing and bank those in your memory as

1141
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 6: much as possible, rather than daydreaming about tomorrow's hunt, or

1142
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 6: rather than getting yourself in a fever of well, hey,

1143
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 6: we got to get to that next field to try

1144
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 6: to get our last burd er. We have to do this,

1145
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 6: or we have to do this. Try to slow down

1146
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 6: and maybe go on slightly, either be more present in

1147
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 6: the time that you have, or go on slightly longer

1148
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 6: trips to allow yourself to slow down. Does that make sense?

1149
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, very definitely.

1150
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of people, Donnie, that

1151
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 2: are guilty of moving on before physically you've done it,

1152
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: and you've got so much to see and the experience

1153
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: where you are at that moment, and then you miss

1154
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 2: every you miss the lion's share of what's available to you.

1155
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 6: Absolutely. I had a few years ago. I'll tell you

1156
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 6: a really quick story. A few years ago, I was

1157
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 6: on a hunting show, a not a consumer show like

1158
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 6: sas invest, but I was that industry show. And in

1159
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 6: that particular year, I bow hunted for white tails a lot,

1160
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 6: and I'd seen so many really huge, handsome box and

1161
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 6: I buck fights, and I'd found bucks that had died

1162
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 6: from fighting. And I mean, I had a number of

1163
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 6: instances and it was a crazy fall. But all I

1164
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 6: had accomplished as a hunter was I arrowed a big

1165
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 6: dough and she was beautiful and it was a frosty

1166
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 6: morning and she gave me a perfect shot and the

1167
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 6: shot went great. She ran ten yards and tipped over.

1168
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 6: It was amazing. So I ran into him in January,

1169
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 6: this guy, and he said, hey, Donnie, how's it going.

1170
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 6: He introduced himself. He's like, how is your fall? I said,

1171
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 6: I had an amazing fall and he said, you know, hey,

1172
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 6: what have you gotten this fall? And I said, I

1173
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 6: shot a really big, beautiful dough and he started chuckling,

1174
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 6: and he's looking at me like I'm he was waiting

1175
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 6: for me to say I killed a three p fifty

1176
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 6: l you know, I killed an eighty inch pronghorn. I

1177
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 6: killed one hundred and eighty inch whitetail. I said, no,

1178
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 6: I've killed a white tail doe. And he started laughing

1179
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 6: and I wasn't laughing, and he was just kind of like,

1180
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 6: you're kidding me, and I go no, And he said,

1181
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 6: you haven't had a very good fall, And I said,

1182
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 6: I've had one of the best falls in my life.

1183
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 6: And the things that I'd seen that fall were unreal

1184
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 6: and the experiences that I'd had. And so I killed

1185
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 6: one dough for the freezer. And but that's the mentality,

1186
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 6: that's where I am is on that do hunt. That's

1187
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 6: where my mind lives. But a lot of even particular

1188
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 6: industry folks, their mind lives in a very different place.

1189
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 4: When how do you describe what The Way Back is

1190
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 4: all about? Because there are so many layers to it.

1191
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 4: Put it in your words what this film is about.

1192
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean.

1193
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 6: There's a lot of emotion to the film, Bob. And

1194
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 6: you know, hunting in Alaska is something that I do

1195
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 6: every year or something Alaska. Like, I'm the type of

1196
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 6: person I just thrive when I'm in big spaces and

1197
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 6: far off places away from people. And a couple of

1198
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 6: years ago, I ended up and very suddenly losing both

1199
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 6: of my parents in a short period of time, and

1200
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 6: I had a tumultuous relationship. I had a very, very

1201
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 6: undefining relationship with my parents when I was a child.

1202
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 6: I have a brother and sister. Both were drug addicts,

1203
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 6: drug dealers, They're in a lot of trouble. So my

1204
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 6: parents were fixated and focused on my brother and sister,

1205
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 6: and so I kind of had a very i'll say this,

1206
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 6: very kind of easy going relationship when I was younger.

1207
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 6: I was basically left to raise myself, and you know,

1208
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 6: they were there to give me bumpers and guidelines, but

1209
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 6: I had a lot of free reign because they were

1210
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 6: so tied up with my siblings. And so my relationship

1211
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 6: really didn't develop with my dad until I was older,

1212
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 6: and he was the one. He wasn't necessarily a hunter,

1213
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 6: but how I describe it to people is he held

1214
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 6: the kit of a hunter. He had these amazing this

1215
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 6: amazing book collection. He owned a few guns, he had

1216
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 6: a hunting knife, and so he would show me these things.

1217
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 6: If I begged him long enough, he would open up

1218
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 6: the gun case and let me see his twelve gage

1219
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 6: and his twenty two. They showed me his hunt, but

1220
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 6: I never saw him actually go hunting or bring game home,

1221
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 6: and so our relationship never really developed into this tight bond.

1222
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 6: And then when I got old enough to start hunting

1223
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 6: on my own, I would come home and tell him

1224
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 6: the things that I was seeing when I was hunting,

1225
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 6: and he would He's very interested in wildlife and he's

1226
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 6: very interested in the outdoors, and so I started taking

1227
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 6: him on my hunts and started showing him the things

1228
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 6: that I was seeing, and kind of I almost took

1229
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 6: on the fatherly role in that way, and he was

1230
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 6: just I could tell you stories of the things that

1231
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 6: I showed him, like big whitetail bucks, and he's looking

1232
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 6: at me with huge eyes and he say, how often

1233
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 6: do you see this? And I say, yeah, I see

1234
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 6: this all the time. And he's like, wow, I can't

1235
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 6: believe this, And so losing him. Sometimes I would ride

1236
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 6: in the truck with my dad. I'll tell you this story, Bob.

1237
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 6: Sometimes I'd ride in the truck with my dad oftentimes

1238
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 6: and I couldn't think of anything to say to him.

1239
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 6: We talked about the wor either or if I'd seen

1240
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 6: any animals, or he liked to talk about how much

1241
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 6: the crops were out. That was something that always intrigued me.

1242
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 6: So whenever he came to wisconsin' be like, oh, your

1243
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 6: corn is still standing or whatever. He always talked about

1244
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 6: that stuff, but we never really talked about anything with

1245
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 6: any depth, and oftentimes we're always I couldn't think of

1246
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 6: things to ask him, or I couldn't think of things

1247
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 6: to say to him beyond he'd asked me about my trips.

1248
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 6: And at the moment he died, because I was there

1249
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 6: shortly after he died. The moment he died, I thought

1250
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 6: of a thousand questions, great questions that I wanted to

1251
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 6: ask him, and that just kind of stuck with me

1252
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 6: sitting there next to him. He died in his and

1253
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 6: his lazy boy, and I just sitting there next to him,

1254
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 6: and I started thinking about all the questions I want

1255
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 6: to ask him, and so I wasn't sure where my

1256
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 6: emotions were going to go. But this last year when

1257
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 6: I was in Alaska or two years, we're filming, and

1258
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 6: I thought about my dad a lot when I was there,

1259
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 6: because I always would text him, you know, if I

1260
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 6: got charged by a bear, or we had a beautiful flight,

1261
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 6: or we had a scary flight or whatever. I text

1262
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 6: him me be like, oh man, you know, and just

1263
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 6: the year before when I was gonna lost it, there

1264
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 6: was a volcanic eruption. So there's a lot of things

1265
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 6: that I had to deal with with the volcano, and

1266
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 6: so he was very intrigued with that, like, oh, okay,

1267
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 6: so he had never seen a volcano eruugh. So he's

1268
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 6: I'm walking him through all the stuff and what I

1269
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 6: had felt. And in this year, I would keep picking

1270
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 6: up my in reach, which is my little satellite, to

1271
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 6: might message him, you know, but he's dead. So I'd

1272
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 6: pick it up in my tents, I'd pick it up

1273
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 6: on the mountain, and then i'd you know, and then

1274
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 6: I'd toss it down again something like oh. And so

1275
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 6: I didn't realize because I wasn't close with my parents

1276
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 6: when I was young, and I became closer with my

1277
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 6: dad when I was older, I didn't realize the emotions

1278
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 6: that were gonna hit me. And so you can see

1279
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 6: in the film when I get to the bowl, I mean,

1280
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 6: you want to talk about a mess of sputtering sentence

1281
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 6: fragments that make almost no sense at all. I mean,

1282
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 6: it says RaSE, it gets yeah, yeah, yeah, it was

1283
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 6: it was I mean, it was so Rawbob that like

1284
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 6: Forrest Rowe, who's a genius photographer, who was with me,

1285
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,799
Speaker 6: and you know that kid would follow me into the lines.

1286
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 6: Then he you know, he didn't even know what to do,

1287
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 6: and I didn't. This wasn't a planned right, we didn't know.

1288
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 6: He didn't know whether to keep filming to stop filming.

1289
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 6: So he We film everything, it's one of our rules.

1290
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 6: And so he kept filming even though I could see,

1291
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 6: you know, he was uncomfortable, and I didn't know. I

1292
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 6: was trying to. I kept trying to collect myself. It's

1293
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 6: one of the things you don't see in the film.

1294
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 6: I kept trying to collect myself. But as soon as

1295
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 6: I start talking, as is often the case, I would

1296
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 6: I would lose I would lose it.

1297
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: So Donnie, we have to take our final pause of

1298
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: the morning. Could you stay with us for the For

1299
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,480
Speaker 2: the next segment.

1300
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,440
Speaker 3: Of course, wonderful.

1301
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 2: Our guest is Donnie Vincent, and we're talking about his

1302
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: new video, talking about him too. But his new video

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01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 2: is called The Way Back and it's online right now.

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01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: But The Way Back, Donnie Vincent, hold on, will be

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01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: going to take a pause we'll be right back with

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: more with Donnie.

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Speaker 3: After this.

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Speaker 2: Last segment, we'll spend it with mister Donny Vincent also

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01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 2: and continue our conversation with Donnie. And it's about his

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01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 2: new video called The Way Back. You need to take

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01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: time to see this. I've watched it multiple times, and

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01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: each time I see it, it's in more incredible. It's

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01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 2: so special.

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01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about the heaviness of it, but there,

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01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 4: I mean, it's fun too.

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01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh, it's beautiful.

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01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 4: And I think my biggest laugh, Donnie, came when you

1318
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 4: were talking about your dad in the nickname he called you.

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01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 3: Think I don't even know what that means. Yeah, what

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01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 3: was it? The name again?

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01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 6: Do you guys know what it is? Because a guy

1322
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 6: wrote me and told me what it is. No, there

1323
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 6: was a there was a you know, like a nineteen

1324
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 6: fifties comic book character called Slug. I always thought he

1325
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 6: was calling me slug Gundy, but this guy said it

1326
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 6: was Yeah, his name was Slug Gundy, so it was

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01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 6: two names. But he always called me, you know, I'd

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01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 6: come walking in the house and he's like, what are

1329
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 6: you doing, Slug Gundy? And he'd always ask me because

1330
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 6: I wouldn't tell him where I was going, so he'd

1331
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 6: be like, and where are you going now?

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01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 7: You know where?

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01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 6: You know? Where are you off to now? Or where

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01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 6: were you just now?

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01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 3: It was so funny.

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01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:56,799
Speaker 4: Your comedic timing was just because you're you're talking about

1337
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 4: kind of a heavy moment about your dad. He's like,

1338
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 4: he called me this name, man, I don't even know

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01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 4: what it means. And I just started to cracking. It

1340
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 4: was wonderful, It was awesome.

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01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was just he was a character and he

1342
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 6: I said it in the film too. But if my

1343
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 6: dad liked you, if we were all sitting together and

1344
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 6: he was quiet, you know, that meant he didn't feel

1345
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 6: comfortable around you. But if he started teasing you, you know,

1346
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 6: then you he liked you. That's that's what he would do.

1347
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 6: And so he was always razing me always, and he

1348
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 6: didn't know how to shoot a rifle. When I first

1349
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 6: took him carib hunting in Alaska, well, first of all,

1350
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 6: I said, hey, do you want to go carib hunting?

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01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 6: He goes, no, no, not now, And I go, you

1352
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 6: don't want to go? He goes, no, I don't want

1353
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 6: to go, and I go, okay, well here's your ticket

1354
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 6: that we're leaving this day, and he just kind of

1355
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 6: looked at me with white eyes like I'm going. I'm like, oh,

1356
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 6: you're going for sure. And then so then I sat

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01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 6: him down with a bolt action rifle with a scope

1358
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 6: on it, because he'd only shot open sites and so

1359
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 6: he didn't auto through a scope. So I was showing

1360
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 6: him and I was showing him how to squeeze the

1361
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 6: trigger and showing him just how to shoot. And then

1362
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 6: he started shooting really tight groups. So then uh, he

1363
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 6: started hanging his targets on the refrigerator. And he'd always

1364
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 6: asked me, Hey, I'm waiting for a call from the

1365
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 6: Navy Seals, let me know when it comes in. It

1366
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 6: was just a riot.

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01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 4: The other thing that's, you know what I was thinking

1368
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 4: about it that you know, here's aunt quote unquote hunting film,

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01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 4: and it wasn't about gear in tactics. I mean, you

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01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 4: did talk about tactics and hunting back, but you're wearing

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01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 4: most of the time, you're wearing you know, blue fi

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01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 4: All Raven raincoat throughout the I mean, you're not wearing

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01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 4: camouflage or nothing.

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01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 3: They blue is blue the new hunting color.

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01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 6: Listen, I'm hoping an animal is gonna see me when

1376
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 6: I'm there, because that means I'm close to an animal. Yeah,

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01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 6: it's it's yeah, I mean they're you know, the country.

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01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 6: I mean I even wear that stuff here when I'm

1379
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 6: white out hunting. Sometimes I've had guys write me such funny,

1380
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 6: such funny stuff. I hunted in Iowa a few years ago,

1381
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 6: and it was like negative ten or something like that.

1382
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 6: I was inn some guy. He did a post and

1383
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 6: he's in all these coats. He's like, I'm hunting five

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01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 6: miles from Donnie Vincent right now, and I'm wearing my

1385
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 6: three winter coach and I just saw a picture of

1386
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 6: him wearing a stupid Christmas sweater and it was so funny.

1387
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 6: But yeah, I just wear, you know, like I just

1388
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 6: wear the stuff that works for me in the time.

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01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 6: And that country is so big, it's so wild. The

1390
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 6: animals that I'm hunting, they don't see people ever unless

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01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 6: they're in an airplane. And so I still have to hide.

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01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 6: I still have to you know, if I just walk

1393
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 6: up on a herd of carivoo, they're gonna run away.

1394
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 6: But you know, you just have to like mind yourself.

1395
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's you don't need camouflage in that country,

1396
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 6: and it's not turkey hunting if you will you know.

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01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 3: What I mean, Donnie.

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: There's another statement you made towards the end of the

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01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: video that said, you come back to Alaska, but you

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 2: come back to remember who you.

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01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 3: Are before the world told you who you were to be.

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01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 2: And I thought, yeah, profound, that is profound, and it's

1403
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: so dugun accurate.

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01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 3: It was so cool.

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01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's And we all get you know, we

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01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 6: all want to feel like we're individuals, and we are,

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01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 6: but we also are shaped by things that are outside

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01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 6: of our influence. If we if we say something and

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01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 6: we see a harsh reaction from people, you know, we

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01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 6: kind of if you know, you kind of you get

1411
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 6: shaped by society is what happens. And then things that

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01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 6: are important to society aren't necessarily important, and things that

1413
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 6: are maybe you know, you might fall into getting tying

1414
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 6: yourself into a knot with politics or whatever it may be.

1415
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 6: You get outside influences that really start to hamper you

1416
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 6: and shape you. But you know, when you're in that

1417
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 6: environment and when you're doing things that are really meant

1418
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 6: to be done, and you're entering into relationships like predator

1419
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 6: and prey and you are walking up right and carrying weight.

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01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 6: And I'm being over the top here right now. But

1421
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 6: if you're doing things that human beings were designed to do,

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01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 6: if you could fast forward us back to hunters and

1423
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 6: gathers and you're doing the things that reward us. You

1424
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 6: are building shelter, you're finding food, you're finding water, you

1425
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 6: are providing for your tribe and your community, you will

1426
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 6: quickly reset back to who it is that you are

1427
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 6: really supposed to be, and who it is that we're

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01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 6: the person that you are when you're thriving, rather than

1429
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 6: when you get tied in the not from all of

1430
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 6: these outside influences.

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 3: It was just it was phenomenal.

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01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: And I are there so many things that you talk

1433
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 2: about that I think about, but i'd not consciously.

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01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes sense.

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01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and even young hunters, right Like, like if

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01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 6: young hunters, and I don't want to be negative here,

1437
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 6: but if young hunters started peruising around Instagram or Facebook,

1438
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 6: which they do, they're going to get a skewed reality.

1439
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 6: They're going to think that hunting the white tail deer.

1440
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 6: You know, I grew up thinking that hunting the white

1441
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 6: tail deer was grabbing a red plaid coat, a thirty

1442
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 6: odd six rifle, going to the big woods in northern Maine,

1443
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 6: following tracks and finding scrapes and rubs and really becoming

1444
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 6: a woodsman. How to start a wood fire and how

1445
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 6: to you know, how do how do you carry your

1446
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 6: water that day so it doesn't freeze, and how you

1447
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 6: do you become a woodsman? If you fast forward back

1448
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 6: in time, how hunting was hunting meant you became a woodsman.

1449
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 6: Hunting meant you were a very proficient man. Way back

1450
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 6: in our society, the hunters, the best hunters in the groups,

1451
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 6: were the pillars of the community. But if you were

1452
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 6: a young man today or a young lady and you

1453
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 6: were looking at Instagram and Facebook and looking at all

1454
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 6: the photos and the things that people wear and the

1455
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,799
Speaker 6: things that they're doing, you're going to have a pretty

1456
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 6: skewed relationship to what hunting is. Hunting the white tailed

1457
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 6: deer isn't food plots and ground blinds and crossbows and

1458
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 6: bait piles like that's a far thing from what hunting

1459
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 6: the reality is. Now, you can do those things and

1460
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 6: still have a very good embodiment into your mind and

1461
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 6: take a child with those very things that I just described.

1462
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 6: The dad can take his daughter out with those very

1463
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 6: things that I just described and still give her a

1464
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 6: sense of what wildlife and what wild places are. But

1465
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 6: there's a greater there's a greater achievement here. The harder

1466
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 6: you make it and the more raw and the more real,

1467
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 6: the more your child or people will understand what it

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01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 6: takes to really envelope themselves in this relationship.

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01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 2: Extremely well said, Yes, very well, very well, Donnie, we're

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01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 2: about out of time for the show. I thank you tremendously,

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01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: and I would love to have you back on much

1472
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 2: more often than we have in the past. But if

1473
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 2: it's okay with you, sometime I'll have s Bob or

1474
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 2: I'll call you myself and we'll see if we can

1475
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: get together.

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01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, absolutely, I'd love that. And I'm sorry, boys,

1477
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 6: I'm not made for radio. I'm too long winded, but

1478
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 6: I love it. I'll come on any time. You guys

1479
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 6: will have me.

1480
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 3: No, you're not too long winded. Don't ever think that.

1481
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: But this has been fantastic and I really, really, surely

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01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 2: thank you.

1483
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 3: You did a fantastic job. Thank you very much.

1484
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1485
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 2: That's Donnie Vincent The Way Back on YouTube.

1486
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 3: It's free and it's fabulous.

1487
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,440
Speaker 2: Watch it if you do nothing else today during this snowfall.

1488
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: There you go on YouTube and watch The Way Back.

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01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 3: Here you go.

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01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: Hey, I want to say thank you to our guests

1491
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: this morning and to John Edstrom, Mark's frand and sincere

1492
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 2: thank you to mister Donnie Vincent for joining us, thank

1493
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 2: you for allowing us to travel with you. For Bob

1494
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre, for executive producer who always does a fantastic job.

1495
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 2: I'm Billy Hildebrand saying stay off the roads when they're

1496
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 2: not passable. Okay, we want you back next Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: Until next Saturday morning, I'll leave you with Tata