Speaker 1: Jason, how are you good? Rocket? You son good?
Speaker 2: So I am fond of saying Jason that there's really
Speaker 2: only two storylines in college football. One is who's gonna
Speaker 2: make the college football playoff? And number two is which
Speaker 2: coaches are getting fired, who's getting hired, where are they going?
Speaker 1: Who's getting hired? And two of you who's getting fired?
Speaker 1: H yeah, yeah, I combined that into one.
Speaker 2: But that that has dominated the news cycle certainly this
Speaker 2: weekend with you know, Lane Kiffin, is he gonna go?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna stay?
Speaker 2: He eventually goes in a very very messy way here locally,
Speaker 2: Mark Stoops was just fired the head coach of Kentucky
Speaker 2: for the last thirteen years. That guy's a good coach man,
Speaker 2: very good coach. Penn State's still looking for a coach.
Speaker 2: They're the first ones to fire their coach and they
Speaker 2: still don't have one, which is interesting. But to discuss
Speaker 2: all this, I want to bring on someone who I
Speaker 2: think does a great job following all this stuff, and
Speaker 2: I know has an opinion on the one, the only
Speaker 2: Richard Skinner from Local twelve, Skinny, how are you good?
Speaker 3: Guys? How are you?
Speaker 1: Thanks? Good?
Speaker 2: First, let's get your thoughts on Kiffin. Yeah, there's two
Speaker 2: ways of looking at it. Number one is it's the system, right,
Speaker 2: and the system is what makes allows a coach to
Speaker 2: be able to switch schools before the season is over.
Speaker 2: And if he wants to get the job, and you
Speaker 2: got to recruit the kids, he's got to give them
Speaker 2: the job.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The other side is, God, you're already a team that
Speaker 2: is going to play for the College Football Playoff. What
Speaker 2: was your thoughts on the exit of Kiffin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, there somehow has to be a way to
Speaker 3: change the calendar for all this, to change the calendar
Speaker 3: of the portal, to change the calendar the coaching situations
Speaker 3: that like, you can't make a higher until change until
Speaker 3: until your team is eliminated, whatever, until a team you're
Speaker 3: looking for the coach is eliminated, and then the portal
Speaker 3: calendar doesn't start until after the college Football Playoff. I
Speaker 3: know you can argue you're trying to get some kids
Speaker 3: maybe in school for a second semester which starts in January,
Speaker 3: but really you're getting a kid for the next season,
Speaker 3: and the next season doesn't start until after that next semester.
Speaker 3: It doesn't start until the August semester. Again. I know
Speaker 3: they're early enrollies anymore. I mean, kids graduate high school,
Speaker 3: try to graduate high school early in December to be
Speaker 3: able to go and roll and get to a spring practice.
Speaker 3: Enough of that, just change. Changing the calendar can't be
Speaker 3: that hard. It just can't be.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: But the question is I always go back to, then,
Speaker 2: why hasn't changed you, I Jason, everybody says this system
Speaker 2: is broken, how come no one will fix it?
Speaker 3: That's a great question. It's the same thing with I mean,
Speaker 3: bowl games have been rendered so meaningless. I mean, listen
Speaker 3: as a as a Kentucky graduate, and I know we're
Speaker 3: gonna talk Mark stops in a dead and a Kentucky
Speaker 3: football fan. Them making a Bowl has always been a
Speaker 3: big deal to me, because that's about the best you're
Speaker 3: gonna do, right, I mean, you're not gonna compete for
Speaker 3: national so maybe you do one day. Indiana is certainly
Speaker 3: doing it now, but that was always a big deal.
Speaker 3: In the last couple of times they've done it, they
Speaker 3: started like a fifth string quarterback one year because the
Speaker 3: injuries and guys who opted out, And now you see
Speaker 3: that across the board, all these bowl games of guys
Speaker 3: opting out because they're entering the transfer portal. And I
Speaker 3: don't blame the kids. I don't want to this sound
Speaker 3: like that. This is not a blame on them. You're
Speaker 3: trying to get a head start to your next payday.
Speaker 3: I get all that, We're all we've all been there
Speaker 3: from a job standpoint on listen, I want my next
Speaker 3: best payday. We all do. But you can fix this
Speaker 3: by changing the calendar on this. I don't know why
Speaker 3: it's that hard, Like, let's wait until literally the day
Speaker 3: after the National Championship game, which is you know, middish January.
Speaker 3: Why is that so hard? And yes, I know, kids,
Speaker 3: then probably can enroll for the winner semester. Too bad,
Speaker 3: you can roll in for the next August or whatever
Speaker 3: and still can go through summer practice.
Speaker 1: No, I agree.
Speaker 4: And then you throw on top of the broken brokenness
Speaker 4: of all this, guys, is that just these crazy buyouts?
Speaker 4: I mean, Mark Stoop's a getting thirty seven thirty seven
Speaker 4: million dollars in a buyout hockey coach, Yep, yep. When
Speaker 4: you really dig down into that part of it, too,
Speaker 4: you're just like this is like some alt reality here,
Speaker 4: like you you're able to just whack a guy and
Speaker 4: you just write him a check. I mean for thirty
Speaker 4: seven million dollars would they pay James Franklin fire him
Speaker 4: in the middle of the season. What there was r
Speaker 4: Kelly was fifty Hell that's what I'm thinking of. And
Speaker 4: it's just like and they just do it. It's find
Speaker 4: the money. Yeah, it's hard to get your arms around
Speaker 4: about how just where to even start to fix all this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. The only difference for Brian or
Speaker 3: for James Franklin was there is offset language where he
Speaker 3: got hired at Virginia Tech. So whatever he makes in
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech does come off to buy out from Penn
Speaker 3: State Mark soops doesn't have that language. They literally and
Speaker 3: that's what was negotiated. I don't know the negotiation where
Speaker 3: it wound up, but he was literally due thirty seven
Speaker 3: million dollars in a lump sum sixty days after his termination.
Speaker 3: They discussed last night. I have not seen the details
Speaker 3: of this yet. I don't even know what's been reported.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing they've found a way to do that installments,
Speaker 3: which is an easier way to go to your boosters
Speaker 3: and go, yeah, I don't need thirty seven million.
Speaker 1: Now they did, I think it was reported.
Speaker 4: Do you agree to like take it in installments instead
Speaker 4: of yeah, yeah, could have taken on in the next
Speaker 4: thirty days or something.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, no, city, Well he could have, but it
Speaker 3: was sixty days. Was the determination you had to pay
Speaker 3: him that amount. And that's support to me that I
Speaker 3: don't understand. You know, there's no coach valuable enough to where, man,
Speaker 3: we can't lose him, and we got to put this
Speaker 3: big But coach, I don't want to say their diamond does.
Speaker 3: And that's not fair, that's not right. It's not but coaching.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of competent coaches in this world who
Speaker 3: give him in the chance can do a really good job.
Speaker 3: Just because you have a guy that you believe in
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you go, well, gosh, if he leaves, we're done. No,
Speaker 3: you're probably not. I mean, this is not the days
Speaker 3: of Bear Bryant, where the old saying was he can
Speaker 3: take his in and beat urine, and he can take
Speaker 3: yurin and beat his And it's not that way. It's
Speaker 3: the Jimmy's and the Joe's. It's it's a I l anymore.
Speaker 3: I think Ryan Day is a great football coach. Anybody
Speaker 3: thinks other wies it's crazy. But Ryan Day has a
Speaker 3: roster that's been paid for. It's not a knock, it's
Speaker 3: the day. It's where we are. That's where the money
Speaker 3: should go. And listen, if a coach wants to leave
Speaker 3: because of that or you have to fire him, you
Speaker 3: shouldn't be beholding the pay these buyouts. You simply just say,
Speaker 3: here's your contract, man, and in the last year of
Speaker 3: your contract, before you are last year, if we want
Speaker 3: to renegotiate it, re up it, we'll do it. But
Speaker 3: the buyout is this and it's minimum. And if you
Speaker 3: don't like it, go walk. I mean, Kentucky was so
Speaker 3: scared about Mark Stoops going to Texas A and M
Speaker 3: they negotiated this ridiculous spot. You know what, Kentucky football
Speaker 3: is gonna win anywhere from five to nine games, and
Speaker 3: he won ten twice. And kudos to him because he's
Speaker 3: the only coach in school history ever win ten games
Speaker 3: twice in his career. And again he deserves all the
Speaker 3: credit in the world for that. Although he didn't catch
Speaker 3: the end, that's part of the sec and a downcycle
Speaker 3: live here there. He won ten games twice. He deserves
Speaker 3: all the credits for that. But you know what if
Speaker 3: he'd left for Texas A and m okay, go to
Speaker 3: the next guy, it's not that hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But again it makes you wonder why these ads
Speaker 2: and presidents are so scared and scare of the power
Speaker 2: of these agents, of the of the Jimmy sexons in
Speaker 2: the world that say, no, you're gonna you're gonna agree
Speaker 2: to this long term buyout clause or our guy isn't coming.
Speaker 2: It's gonna take some strong person, some strong ad, to
Speaker 2: say if that's the case, then then then go fly
Speaker 2: a kite.
Speaker 1: We'll hire the next guy.
Speaker 2: Something's got to be done to break that that that
Speaker 2: barrier down of the buyos, because that system is not sustainable.
Speaker 1: You can't be paying you.
Speaker 2: Know, ten twenty thirty forty million dollars every three or
Speaker 2: four years to buy out a coach's contract.
Speaker 1: You can't. You just can't do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean look real quickly, I mean look
Speaker 3: at Lane Kiffin for example. And I think Lane's a
Speaker 3: good coach. I think anybody that's reasonable thinks Lane's a
Speaker 3: good coach. What's Lane won? I mean, he won a
Speaker 3: national championship? Did he win anything in the NFL, and
Speaker 3: I know he was saddled to Marcus Ross so on
Speaker 3: his fall. So you're taking a guy who's not a
Speaker 3: complete proving like big time winner and and winning with that.
Speaker 3: I like Brian Kelly, what is Brian Kelly? Wont he
Speaker 3: got to a national championship? Okay? Great? And what does
Speaker 3: he want? And yet LSU went out on a complete
Speaker 3: lim for him with a giant buyout and you I
Speaker 3: just your most I don't understand how anybody. I can't
Speaker 3: understand how bord of trustees sign off all means either
Speaker 3: like you're holding to this deal and oh well we're
Speaker 3: on the hook for it. Yeah we gotta pay this. No,
Speaker 3: you don't stop doing it.
Speaker 2: I think what it is skinny is as much as
Speaker 2: we like to say this system isn't sustainable, it is.
Speaker 2: And how colleges operate, they operate under a totally unrealistic
Speaker 2: set of parameters.
Speaker 1: Usually there's a bottom line.
Speaker 2: And here's your budget, here's how much money you have,
Speaker 2: and there's no like golden parachute out there. But these
Speaker 2: colleges that they know in the back of their mind,
Speaker 2: these board of trustees, these ads, they know, you know,
Speaker 2: what if it really came down to it. We can
Speaker 2: call Jason Williams and John Williams and Richard Skinner and say, look, man,
Speaker 2: we need five we need five million bucks.
Speaker 1: And they give it to them. And so they always
Speaker 1: know in the back.
Speaker 2: Of their head there's that bailout form. So that's why
Speaker 2: they of these things up front. And it's completely ruining
Speaker 2: the whole deal.
Speaker 3: It is totally.
Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is in on the on the
Speaker 4: flip side of this, you've got you've got U see
Speaker 4: and you look at a place like you see that
Speaker 4: is being patient with the guy. You know, you had
Speaker 4: Michigan State which pulled the pulled the plug out in
Speaker 4: their coach after two seasons.
Speaker 3: It says.
Speaker 4: The whole thing is really I don't envy in any
Speaker 4: athletic director or whatever school they're at in FBS football,
Speaker 4: because you know, you try to balance like, you know,
Speaker 4: the just how patient should you be versus you know,
Speaker 4: it's a whole it's a total judgment call. And then
Speaker 4: you throw in the money and I don't know, but
Speaker 4: then you got all this pressure of you know, the
Speaker 4: social media world that doesn't really maybe influence the money,
Speaker 4: but it's it's a it's a trendy thing right now
Speaker 4: to pull the plug on your coach really quickly and
Speaker 4: when you're not doing it, well, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's probably what's going on at
Speaker 4: U see right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean if it used to be coaches,
Speaker 3: you know, would get the five year contract, right, you
Speaker 3: want to get a whole recruiting class through, including like
Speaker 3: they'd red shirt guys along the way. So and that
Speaker 3: was always pretty fair, right, You get yourself your first
Speaker 3: class and you get to see them through and if
Speaker 3: you don't get it done by then, well then you
Speaker 3: just didn't get it done. But now it's literally the
Speaker 3: chass point John Smith Michigan State, who took over for
Speaker 3: the disgrace Mel Tucker, who they got lucky to get
Speaker 3: out from under the guaranteed Remember they were guaranteeing him
Speaker 3: I think seventy five mil. And somehow they got out
Speaker 3: of it because they got a chance of fireing with
Speaker 3: for cause they were lucky in that regard. And then
Speaker 3: they get John Smith. He did really good things up
Speaker 3: up in Oregon State and didn't do quite enough fast
Speaker 3: enough at Michigan State. And how he goes it's the
Speaker 3: cycles crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy and I feel like every school, and I
Speaker 1: guess good for you.
Speaker 2: You always think that you can win it, but the
Speaker 2: reality is there's probably like one hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 2: schools that are never gonna win it. They're never gonna
Speaker 2: win it. All right, it's gonna come down to about ten.
Speaker 2: And I always wonder this too, guys, like, at what
Speaker 2: point does the school go, Okay, we got we got
Speaker 2: to pay a buy out to a coach, we got
Speaker 2: to pay the new coach, we got to raise twenty
Speaker 2: million dollars in and I'll.
Speaker 1: Pay a roster.
Speaker 2: At what point does even if you win a national title,
Speaker 2: at what point is it not worth it? What point
Speaker 2: does it cost you money and it's not actually worth
Speaker 2: it on a bottom line, on a on a spreadsheet
Speaker 2: to win a national title?
Speaker 1: Great, great question, that great question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is a great question. Hey, listen, I'll
Speaker 3: go back to the whole, this whole and I the
Speaker 3: whole Jimmy's and Joe things is a big deal. I
Speaker 3: think Signetty's great. He'll tell you he's great, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: just go google me. I win. But Mark Cuban's got
Speaker 3: money in that program. Mark Cuban's got a lot of money.
Speaker 3: Right again, this is not a not I don't want
Speaker 3: this to sound like a knock. This is where we
Speaker 3: are today, Texas Tech. I think Jillian McGuire is a
Speaker 3: great coach, he's got great culture. They play the game
Speaker 3: the right way. I love watching them play. Actually, they
Speaker 3: do everything I really need afactor. Yeah correct, I mean
Speaker 3: that's just it. I mean you can look to it
Speaker 3: those and go, oh yeah, there's the money train right there. Okay, thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're good. I mean that's that's what it is. Go
Speaker 3: build your loster and I'll get Joe Schmow to go
Speaker 3: coach you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's so many issues with college football, and it's amazing
Speaker 2: how popular it is, and there's such drama, there's such
Speaker 2: interest in it. You wonder, at what point does do
Speaker 2: people say, come on, we got a coach. A coach
Speaker 2: on a playoff team is leaving his We always, we
Speaker 2: always did.
Speaker 1: Play the hypothetic.
Speaker 2: What happens if there's a player that decides to opt
Speaker 2: out of a out out of a playoff game because
Speaker 2: he wants to go to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Well, we haven't seen that yet, but we've seen a
Speaker 1: coach do it.
Speaker 2: It's wild but everybody that the problem is. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you agree, but you know, everybody has their own.
Speaker 2: There's like too many chiefs. There's not one singular chief
Speaker 2: and head of college football. If you're Greg Sanke and
Speaker 2: you're in charge of the SEC, you're the commissioner. You
Speaker 2: only care about the SEC. You don't care about the
Speaker 2: viability of the Big Ten. You don't care at all.
Speaker 2: But sometimes if you look back at the history of
Speaker 2: like the NFL AFL merger, it was the acquis it
Speaker 2: was the act weesk Eno of you know what, let's
Speaker 2: do what's best for your greater NFL instead of what
Speaker 2: you get and what you get. But until some of
Speaker 2: these powerful people are are able to be kind of
Speaker 2: put in their place and say, look, you might have
Speaker 2: to take a depth. It might not be exactly best
Speaker 2: for the SEC, but it's best for all of college football,
Speaker 2: and so you can somehow make that happen.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to be having these kinds of conversations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll leave you with this. I mean back to
Speaker 3: your point about what where's the breaking point? I guess
Speaker 3: I'm not there either, Because boys, I got up early
Speaker 3: Saturday morning and it was cold outside, and my front
Speaker 3: yard is I got two oak trees. I got leaves
Speaker 3: all over the place. I spent three hours raking leaves
Speaker 3: so I could come in at noon to watch the
Speaker 3: Kentucky game and to watch the Ohio State game. And
Speaker 3: I laid on my couch watching football until almost midnight,
Speaker 3: breaking for a.
Speaker 1: Meal at one point to go to the bathroom too.
Speaker 3: I did, I did, I got it. I got up
Speaker 3: a couple of times. Do that maybe make a drink
Speaker 3: or two? But yes, I mean I just was like, okay,
Speaker 3: the news were over. Now the street thorties, oh cool,
Speaker 3: got down comes Alabama Auburn. It's just house football.
Speaker 2: The sickness, it is absolutely all three of us have its. Yeah, agreed, Well, Skinny,
Speaker 2: this has been great man. I really appreciate you. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm sure maybe we'll talk to you get on Friday.
Speaker 2: But the great stuff. And if folks want to find out,
Speaker 2: you know, any anything you have going on Local twelve,
Speaker 2: where can I tune in at?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just go to Local twelve dot com, slash sports,
Speaker 3: or you can hit me up on the expers at
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Speaker 1: You got your best, Skinny. Thanks, thanks Bob.
Speaker 3: Thanks yep.
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