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Speaker 1: This Cincinnati sports station, sports station. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear Evan Cohen?

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Speaker 2: Evan Cohen every weekday morning from six to ten, one

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Speaker 2: of the hosts of unsportsmanlike excuse me, with Michelle Smallman

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Speaker 2: and and Chris Canty. Chris is in New York while

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Speaker 2: Evan and Michelle are in San Francisco broadcasting from the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So that's like three am local time. What

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Speaker 2: time you got to get up?

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Speaker 3: Mo? I am up at one fifteen. We got an

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Speaker 3: uber over to the hotel to the radio Row area

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Speaker 3: at one forty am. And then you know, doing all

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Speaker 3: show prep, hair makeup for TV, which I need a

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Speaker 3: lot of, beginning at two am, and then on the

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Speaker 3: air at three am. And yet Michelle and I are here,

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Speaker 3: can't he just had a baby? Well his wife did.

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Speaker 3: That would be weird if he did. But his wife

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Speaker 3: had a baby, and so he's back in New York

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Speaker 3: with his young son.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who should say and who more us

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Speaker 2: for you guys, you know, giving us Bengals content nearly

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Speaker 2: every morning, or the Bengals for giving you an endless

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Speaker 2: treasure trove of stuff to talk about this football season.

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Speaker 3: You know, Mo, it's interesting because we have we have

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Speaker 3: become I don't want to say a Bengals show, because

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Speaker 3: that would be like, I don't want to mislead the audi,

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Speaker 3: the great audience in Cincy. But we talk about the

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Speaker 3: Bengals a lot.

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Speaker 1: YEA.

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow has become, as you know, a lightning rod

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Speaker 3: for us because of the fact that, you know, I

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Speaker 3: think initially, if I'm going to be real, initially it

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Speaker 3: was our takes and analysis around our assumptions of Burrow

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Speaker 3: slash the Bengals. Right, I'm not saying that they were

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Speaker 3: out of line, but it was more of like, here's

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Speaker 3: what we think and here's what we think could be

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Speaker 3: going on. Can't He obviously knows this stuff inside and

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Speaker 3: now because he played. But over the last year, I

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Speaker 3: think it's been they have given us tangible audio to

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Speaker 3: work off of, to become a hot topic almost on

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Speaker 3: a regular basis, and especially the quarterback at times. And

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Speaker 3: I know you spent a ton of time on this

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Speaker 3: alluding to the idea of hypothetical possible retirements or moving

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Speaker 3: on from Cincy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which like we've gone, we've gone this route down

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Speaker 2: this road before, right, We've done this with Carson Palmer,

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Speaker 2: and so you know, folks get mad at us, and frankly, like,

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Speaker 2: I'll hear it from from listeners of your show here,

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Speaker 2: who are like, why why are they trying to why

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Speaker 2: are they trying to create a Joe Burrow Bengals divorce?

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Speaker 2: And my take is, like, what would make Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: any different from the endless list of players who have

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Speaker 2: sought their way out of Cincinnati?

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Speaker 3: That's right. And you know what's funny is Kanty, to

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Speaker 3: his credit, doesn't just do it about Burrow. If you notice,

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Speaker 3: and I know you have, almost every time that he

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Speaker 3: has brought up Burrow, he has brought up Ken Anderson,

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Speaker 3: He's brought up Boomer, He's brought up obviously Carson Palmer

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Speaker 3: and all of the other Cincinnati quarterbacks that were almost

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Speaker 3: So he's not doing it and we're not doing it

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Speaker 3: out of nowhere. Unfortunately, there is a history of this,

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Speaker 3: Like if you look at it, Cincinnati QB drama is

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Speaker 3: in a way a a kin to Green Bay qub

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, Boomer ended poorly, Carson ended poorly, Joe Burrow, who knows.

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Speaker 1: How it's going to end.

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Speaker 2: But if it continues to go the way it has,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why people suddenly assume like he'll be

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Speaker 2: But it sounds at times like when it comes to

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, you and Michelle are voice of reason and

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Speaker 2: Chris Canty hates the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: People say that to me, What would you say to that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he hates the Bengals at all.

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Speaker 3: I think what he hates is organizations not supporting players

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Speaker 3: a guy in Kanty that played eleven years in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: he won a Super Bowl, and he believes that those

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Speaker 2: Evan Cohen with us on sportsman Like Weekday Mornings on

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Speaker 2: ESPN Radio ESPN fifteen thirty. Evan and Michelle broadcasting from

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Speaker 2: San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: We've been paying.

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Speaker 3: Thought. Yeah, I Triggar thought, there's one era that we

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Speaker 3: did not just bring up in a weird way. God,

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Speaker 3: this is a weird question, in a weird way. Was

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Speaker 3: the Marvin Lewis Andy Dalton era underrated?

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Speaker 2: Yes, including in real time because you know, unfortunately what

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Speaker 2: hovered over Marvin and Andy's era are a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of things that they had nothing to do with.

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Speaker 2: Right, they hadn't won a playoff game since nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: and so we we never talked about that duo. We

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Speaker 2: it was always can they win one playoff game? And

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Speaker 2: I look back on that stretch with a great amount

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Speaker 2: I grew up here in the nineties watching the Bengals

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Speaker 2: be totally irrelevant. Marvin and Andy almost every year were relevant,

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Speaker 2: and I thought in real time that was underrated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because in a way, look at the Seahawks, right,

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Speaker 3: I think you're the most underrated franchise in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the last you know, twenty

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Speaker 3: they're pretty good every year, like they never were embarrassingly

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Speaker 3: They didn't want playoff games, but they were just pretty

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Speaker 3: have been stinky and they weren't that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the first interview we've done where somebody

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Speaker 2: has used the word stinky.

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Speaker 1: I need you to elaborate on something for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So this morning I dropped my daughter off

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Speaker 2: listening and you're talking about your kids come home from

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Speaker 2: school and you make them empty their backpack. And my daughter,

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Speaker 2: who's in the third grade, says to me, you're not

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Speaker 1: Are you so elaborate on that for me? What is

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Speaker 1: that like? Kids come home and you say empty your backpack?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think, Mo, the way you're saying and the way

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Speaker 3: maybe I presented it sounds a little bit more intense

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Speaker 3: Now, yes, yeah, So what I'm saying is I don't

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Speaker 3: not blaming my wife. That's not me. But the reality

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Speaker 3: I learned in that moment if they have homework that night,

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Speaker 3: box in the bag. And as people who are not

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Speaker 3: more of just me trying to get them into the

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Speaker 3: is that that bad?

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Speaker 1: No, you know me, maybe it's not bad at all.

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Speaker 1: But like now I'm listening. My daughter's in the car.

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Speaker 2: She's listening, and she's wondering if that's what life is

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Speaker 2: Probably yes, even though I'm not there when she comes

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless that might be a sign.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. So now I have scared your daughter. Your daughter

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Speaker 3: has never met me, and You're daughter is now afraid

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Speaker 1: Well, she listens with me every day, so like you're right.

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Speaker 3: But now I'm this scary old time.

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Speaker 2: And I told her I'm going to talk to Evan

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Speaker 2: today and I'm gonna get an answer and then things

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Speaker 2: may change for you when it comes to your backpack.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see. So we're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: You know, do you know every day? Be honest, do

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Speaker 3: you know if your daughter has homework every day?

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Speaker 2: I do only because the teacher emails us like, which

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Speaker 2: is something I thank god I didn't have that when

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Speaker 2: I was a kid. My teacher is sending a note

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Speaker 2: home every day going, yeah, here's the homework. It's got

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Speaker 2: to be done by this time. So if I ask

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Speaker 3: Ah. Yeah, I failed with that. They may be doing

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Speaker 3: that and I'm unaware, so that's not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the West Coast, Enjoy Sunday. Can't thank you enough.

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Speaker 2: Always love having you and we'll talk soon. Man, thanks

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Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're the best.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Eavan Cohen.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow Morning Unsportsmanlike with Michelle Smallman and Chris Canty starting

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