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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, everyone, and welcome on into a very special

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Speaker 2: Wednesday night edition of Nightside. My name is Dan Ray,

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Speaker 2: the host of the program. I am broadcasting tonight from

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Speaker 2: the Nightside, the official Nightside studio in Medford, Massachusetts, right

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Speaker 2: here on WBZ, Boston's news Radio. We have gathered tonight

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Speaker 2: with two of the three Republican gubernatorial candidates. Both of

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Speaker 2: the gentlemen who are sitting with me. I'll introduce them

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Speaker 2: in a moment. Hope to be the Republican nominee to

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Speaker 2: run against the incumbent Massachusetts Governor mar Healey, who was

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Speaker 2: elected for the first time as governor former attorney general.

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Speaker 2: She's a Democrat and she is in her fourth year

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Speaker 2: as governor. We invited three candidates to participate in this

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Speaker 2: conversation tonight, including two of the gentlemen here. The person

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Speaker 2: who is not here. If you were expecting to hear

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Speaker 2: from candidate Mike Minogue, he is not here tonight. That

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Speaker 2: is his choice. I am delighted to introduce and I'll

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Speaker 2: do it alphabetically to start off. Mike Kinneely and Brian

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Speaker 2: short Sleeve. They are the two candidates that are in

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Speaker 2: studio and gentlemen. Brian, Mike, Welcome to night Side.

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Speaker 3: Great to be here, Dan, thank you, great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Thank you our pleasure. As I've explained to people

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Speaker 2: during the week, this is sort of an opportunity for

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Speaker 2: people to get an impression of who you are. We're

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Speaker 2: going to do two hours, which is an extraordinary length

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Speaker 2: of time. We'll have a conversation. I'm sure issues will

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Speaker 2: be discussed, and there are phone calls who are already waiting.

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Speaker 2: I will tell them that they're going to have to

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Speaker 2: wait a little while because we probably won't get to

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Speaker 2: phone calls until eight thirty. And I know that Marita,

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Speaker 2: the executive producer of night Side, is making folks aware

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Speaker 2: of that. I know there's a lot of interest in

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Speaker 2: this event. So what I was going to do was

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Speaker 2: just to keep but simple. I'm going to start with

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Speaker 2: Mike Kanely. We'll do it alphabetically, okay, And what I

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Speaker 2: will do then is, Brian, I'll give you when we

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Speaker 2: get through with the conversation part, you'll make sure that

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Speaker 2: you have kind of the last word. Mike. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to start off with a pretty tough question, which is

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Speaker 2: say hello to my audience. Love to introduce yourself to them?

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Speaker 2: Well great, what should they know?

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Speaker 3: Dan? Thank you so much and hello to the audience.

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you tonight. Look, Dan, I'm someone

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Speaker 3: motivated every day by faith and family, a love of

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Speaker 3: public service, and an optimism about Massachusetts. I've got to

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Speaker 3: know our people, our community as well. With the right leadership,

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Speaker 3: Massachusetts can do great things. That's not what we have today.

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Speaker 3: I look at the state now. We are a state

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Speaker 3: that's in decline, with a state government that's in denial.

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Speaker 3: And someone's got to come in and fix the problems

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Speaker 3: more Heally's cause and get the state turned around. I

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Speaker 3: know I can do it. By the way a background,

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Speaker 3: I'm a Massachusetts native raceed in Medford and reading. I

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Speaker 3: watch my dad go from working at a union factory job

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Speaker 3: during the day and nine years of night school. Want

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Speaker 3: to become a CEO of Roach Brothers Supermarkets, watching dad

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Speaker 3: go from the factory floor to the CEO suite. I

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Speaker 3: have my own career in business, nineteen years in the

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Speaker 3: private equity business, traveling the country, helped build a firm

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Speaker 3: to four and a half billion dollars in assets with

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Speaker 3: investments in one hundred companies, building businesses, creating jobs all

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Speaker 3: over the country. Been married twenty seven years, raised my

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Speaker 3: family and Lexington, been there for twenty two years, served

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Speaker 3: on our finance committee, coach thirty nine of my kids teams.

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Speaker 3: And as much as I enjoyed my business career, Dan,

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Speaker 3: what I decided to do in my mid forties was

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Speaker 3: public service. And so I left that private equity firm

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Speaker 3: in early twenty thirteen and went up to Lawrence and

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Speaker 3: district in our state, and spent two years there cutting

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Speaker 3: the bureaucracy, putting the dollars in the classroom, bringing the

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Speaker 3: community together, and increase in the high school graduation rate

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Speaker 3: from fifty two percent to seventy two percent. I then

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Speaker 3: spent eight years in state government, all within housing and

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Speaker 3: economic Development Governor Baker's administration, four years as his secretary

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Speaker 3: and communities, better travel the state and relentlessly to get

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Speaker 3: things done with local leaders. Very different approach to the

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Speaker 3: job than governor Heally's and we're focus on getting things done.

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Speaker 3: It was a period of time where the state created

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Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty thousand private sector jobs. I followed

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Speaker 3: that with two years of Boys and Girls Clubs of

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Speaker 3: do better in school and better in life. But that's

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Speaker 3: my track record and business, local government, education, state government,

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Speaker 3: a passion and desire for public service, proven expertise, and

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Speaker 3: I want to be your next governor.

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Speaker 2: All right, Brian Choyeleeve, I'm sure you have a life

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Speaker 2: story and Mike laid his out give you an equivalent

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Speaker 2: amount of time. I'm not putting a clock on either

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Speaker 2: one of you, but Brian Choiceleeve, tell us about your background.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks to Beyond Dan. I love the show and

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Speaker 4: I often call in uninvited. I always enjoy calling you

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Speaker 4: out on topics of the hour. You're always great to

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Speaker 4: have me. Look, I am a proud marine, served my

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Speaker 4: Corps after college. I'm a proven government reformer. Took the

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Speaker 4: toughest assignment and the Baker administration back in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 4: and sixteen when I led the financial restructuring of the MBTA.

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Speaker 5: And I'm a businessman. I'm an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 4: I founded my own business here in Massachusetts over a

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Speaker 4: decade ago from scratch with a partner, so I know

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Speaker 4: what that entrepreneurial journey is like. And I'm very, very

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Speaker 4: passionate about small business.

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Speaker 5: The types of businesses we work with DAN are twenty

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Speaker 4: Thirty employee businesses and software and technology services that are

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Speaker 4: trying to get up. They're trying to scale, they're trying

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Speaker 4: to get to one hundred employee accounts. It's so critical

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Speaker 4: in Massachusetts because those type companies have always been the

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Speaker 4: backbone of American capitalism, to the backbone of the American dream,

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Speaker 4: and in this state that we live in, they've always

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Speaker 4: provided the opportunity for people to find jobs and move up.

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Speaker 4: Half the people who work in Massachusetts work for smaller businesses.

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Speaker 4: It's great that we've got big businesses like State Street

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Speaker 4: and Fidelity and raytheon, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: what's always driven growth in this state, what's driven innovation,

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Speaker 4: are those small entrepreneurial businesses. I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a founder.

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Speaker 4: I'm the only candidate in this race. Who founded my

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Speaker 4: own business from scratch, scaled it up. We've raised over

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Speaker 4: a billion dollars across three funds. I tell you, when

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Speaker 4: I am governor, I will put the interests of small

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Speaker 4: business first, because what's good for small business is good

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Speaker 4: for Massachusetts.

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Speaker 5: I travel all over the state.

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Speaker 4: Every week, meeting with working families and small businesses. And

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Speaker 4: I can tell you in this state, small businesses are

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Speaker 4: getting crushed by.

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Speaker 4: They're getting crushed by high energy bills, They're getting crushed

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Speaker 4: by regulation, They're getting crushed by taxes.

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Speaker 5: We need a governor in that.

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Speaker 4: We need a businessman in the corner office as governor

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Speaker 4: who understands what it takes to grow and scale businesses.

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Speaker 5: I will do that so.

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Speaker 4: The father of three teenage boys, I grewup in Belmont,

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Speaker 4: one of four kids, have three younger sisters. Grew up

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Speaker 4: in a Catholic family. Faith and service was always central

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Speaker 4: to my life when I was young. I always wanted

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Speaker 4: to serve my country, and when my time came, I

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Speaker 4: went to Harvard College on an ROTC scholarship, joined the

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Speaker 4: on active duty afterwards traveling all over the world. And

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Speaker 4: I can tell you for me personally, the most important

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Speaker 4: lessons I learned about life and leadership I learned as

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Speaker 4: an officer in the Marine Corps. Core values of the

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Speaker 4: Marine Corps honor, courage, commitment. Marines are the first in

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Speaker 4: get the job done, no excuses. That is leadership. And

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Speaker 4: in this date, we need leadership. We need bold leadership

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Speaker 4: to confront real problems. We know what the problems in

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Speaker 4: Massachusetts are right now. We know why businesses are leaving

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Speaker 4: this date. Taxes are too high, energy bills are too high.

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Speaker 5: With but with Governor Healy, we don't get a lot

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Speaker 5: of bold answers.

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Speaker 4: Generally, what we get her more commissions, more blue ribbon panels.

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Speaker 5: When I'm governor, day one will strip those.

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Speaker 4: Fees out of your electricity bill. Day one will call

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Speaker 4: the White House, will call William's Energy. We'll tell them

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Speaker 4: we're building the natural gas pipeline. Day one will kill

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Speaker 4: all of those new taxes being proposed right now by Moriheey.

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Speaker 4: There's a proposal to triple the autoex size tax. There's

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Speaker 4: a mileage tax through the.

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Speaker 5: Freedom to Move Act.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big proponent of rolling the income tax from

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Speaker 4: five percent back to four percent. Moriheelly over the weekend

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Speaker 4: said that she does not believe that cutting taxes will

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Speaker 4: make Massachusetts more affordable. Of course, it will make Massachusetts

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Speaker 4: more affordable. And I'll do it now.

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Speaker 2: Both of you have really amazing backgrounds, Okay, as most

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Speaker 2: people who run for an office like this, But this

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Speaker 2: is and I'm looking for a relatively short answer from

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Speaker 2: both of you on this one. Neither of you have

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Speaker 2: been elected. You're certainly qualified. Just in the presentation that

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Speaker 2: boasted both of you made, mar Heally was sitting here,

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Speaker 2: she would say, these guys are qualified to be governor.

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Speaker 2: Massachusetts has a really weak Republican party. I think it's

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Speaker 2: eight or nine percent of the voters. Why and I'll

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Speaker 2: ask you for as St. Brian and Mike second, why

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Speaker 2: pick this job to run for? I mean this is

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Speaker 2: know start state rep. Maybe a selectman. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: know how you how are you going to respond to

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Speaker 2: that when people asking you about your lack of elective

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Speaker 4: Well, what we need in this state, Dan, is we

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Speaker 4: need a businessman in the corner office. I'm an outsider.

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Speaker 4: I'm someone that's been an entrepreneur. I've built companies, I've

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Speaker 4: served my country in the Marine Corps. What this state

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Speaker 4: needs right now at the executive level is not someone

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Speaker 4: who's been in state government for twenty years working their way.

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Speaker 4: We need a disruptive change agent, someone that will fight

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Speaker 4: for the people of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 5: And it's got to be someone out of the.

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Speaker 4: Private sector, because the private sector in this state is

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Speaker 4: what's always driven growth and innovation. And the reality is

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Speaker 4: today in Massachusetts, our private sector is suck and wind.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we are fiftieth out of fifty nationally in

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Speaker 4: job growth right now.

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Speaker 5: We've lost thirty thousand jobs since more Healy became governor.

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Speaker 4: So the last thing we need right now is another

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Speaker 4: governor out of the public sector. We need a businessman,

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Speaker 4: we need a reformer, We need a fighter, and I

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Speaker 4: will be that fighter.

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Speaker 2: The same question, yeah to you. You you've had experience,

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Speaker 2: you've been a cabinet secretary the Republican Party. You don't

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Speaker 2: have these Well, first of all, the biggest party of

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Speaker 2: Massachusetts run enrolled.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Dan, It's a really important point.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to people say you should run?

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Speaker 2: How can you run for governor right out of the back.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've served, haven't served at the highest level in

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Speaker 3: state government. I've heard served to the next size level

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Speaker 3: as a cabinet secretary, so one of nine cabinet secretaries

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Speaker 3: during governor. If you look at the people that run

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Speaker 3: Knowing how to restructure the bureaucracy, knowing how to listen,

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Speaker 3: But Dan, I also bring business experience, and that is

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Speaker 3: critically important Dan, to come back to your first point.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Great answers from both of you. We will

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Speaker 2: They I think they have made a great impression to start.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what. When I'm out there talking

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Speaker 4: They want to win this race, they want to win

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Speaker 5: And those primary.

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Speaker 4: Voters that are on my side, they know that I

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Speaker 4: I take my word for it. I've got all the

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Speaker 5: Beat Mori Heey. But we also need a fighter.

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Speaker 4: We need a proven government reformer who's taken on the

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you one thing. Four years ago, we had

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, can you I assume you're going to find

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Speaker 3: So that's one message is loyalty and impact on the party.

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Speaker 3: But the second comes back to experience. Governor. Heally will

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Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, that is Mike Kennealy. Previously you listening

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm with two of the three candidates who

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Speaker 4: Look, Dan, I will support the winner of this Republican primary.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to support the winner of this primary.

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Speaker 4: more of that. What we need is someone who's willing

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Speaker 4: to step up and engage. I mean, we've seen in

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Speaker 4: Massachusetts before very rich candidates who think they can buy

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Speaker 4: these races.

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Speaker 5: It never works. You got to work for it, You

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Speaker 5: got to get out there.

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Speaker 4: Leadership is first and foremost about showing up, and showing

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Speaker 4: up in this race means getting on the debate stage,

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Speaker 4: meeting our primary voters. We got two thousand delegates who

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Speaker 4: have been elected to go to the state convention in April.

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Speaker 4: I think it is disrespecting those delegates for Mike Minogue

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Speaker 4: not to get up in front of them and debate.

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Speaker 4: So I would invite Mike Minogue to call in. If

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Speaker 4: you're out there, Mike, the lines are open. I'd love you, know,

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Speaker 4: we'd love your voice here. So jump in.

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Speaker 5: The water's warm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's here's a couple of questions on issues, and

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Speaker 2: then we're going to go to phone calls. Give me

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Speaker 2: in relatively concise form, and I'm going to start Brian

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Speaker 2: with you. Give me one issue that you and Mike

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Speaker 2: Kenneely disagree on.

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Speaker 4: I am the only candidate in this race who has

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Speaker 4: called for a full repeal of the m b t

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Speaker 4: A Communities Act.

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Speaker 5: It's a bad law.

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Speaker 4: It's administrative overreach, it does not respect local infrastructure requirements,

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Speaker 4: and it's killing a lot of our small suburban communities.

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Speaker 4: Mike was the Housing Secretary, he was the godfather of

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Speaker 4: the m b t A Communities Act. He called it

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Speaker 4: good housing policy and would climate policy. I completely disagree,

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Speaker 4: and I would file for a full repeal on day one.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna address that.

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Speaker 6: You do, Dan, It's it's most important we're not there

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Speaker 6: with the baptism. You're telling me, I'll describe my role

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Speaker 6: in it, okay. And Brian knows I'm not the godfather.

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Speaker 6: And we got to be honest with the voters, okay.

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Speaker 6: NBTA communities happened in three chapters. First, the law got

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Speaker 6: passed by the legislature on their own. No one from

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Speaker 6: the Baker administration at any role in crafting the legislation,

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Speaker 6: developing the policy.

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Speaker 2: Zero.

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Speaker 3: And it passed one hundred and eighty eighty three to

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Speaker 3: four in the legislature, okay. And every attempt to amend

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Speaker 3: it or repeal it has failed. Okay. But that's the legislature, okay.

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Speaker 3: And when it was signed and passing the law, the

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Speaker 3: law says the Housing Secretary's got to develop the guidelines

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Speaker 3: for us. That's the second chapter of the guidelines. And

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Speaker 3: Governor Baker and I said, look, we don't like mandates.

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Speaker 3: Let's make these guidelines as broad as possible so any

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Speaker 3: town can adopt it any way they want. That's what

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Speaker 3: we did. And the problem is we office and Governor

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Speaker 3: Healely came into office, and Attorney General Campbell helped with

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Speaker 3: two donations from Brian Schwortzleeve come into office and have

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Speaker 3: weaponized this against our communities. So the laws of the law,

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Speaker 3: the guidelines are incredibly flexible. The enforcement, which is a

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Speaker 3: third chapter of this, has been lousy. So what I

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Speaker 3: would do is the same thing any Republican governor would do.

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Speaker 3: Come in and stop enforcing it the way this administration's

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Speaker 3: done so. And yes, I have said that housing near

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Speaker 3: public transit is good policy. However, I have never said

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Speaker 3: we should mandate that policy for cities in towns. And

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Speaker 3: I've heard Brian say housing of public transits good policy too.

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Speaker 3: But the key is do we understand the relationship between

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Speaker 3: the state and cities and towns. I do local control

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Speaker 3: really matters around here, and we need a governor that

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Speaker 3: respects that. We don't have one.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm done several with shows on it. I think

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Speaker 2: that zoning laws local zoning laws are very very important.

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Speaker 2: How about Mike a position you disagree with Ryan about.

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's there's clear differences in terms of experience. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: an issue I think Brian.

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Speaker 2: Under it is one. If there is an issue, they

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Speaker 2: may not.

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Speaker 3: Be I think Brian underestimates what it will take for

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Speaker 3: us to have an energy policy that makes sense. Okay,

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Speaker 3: there's some things you can do on day one, but

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Speaker 3: the task here is monumental. Okay, the governor has got

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Speaker 3: to do some things by executive order, the governor's got

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Speaker 3: to do things by legislation, the governor's got to cooperate

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Speaker 3: with other states and the federal government to bring more

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Speaker 3: energy in. And so it's less a policy position, but

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Speaker 3: it's more appreciating how difficult and complicated this work is.

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Speaker 3: So we just can't say we're going to do things

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Speaker 3: on day one. We've got to be honest with the

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Speaker 3: voters about how complicated the task is and have a

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Speaker 3: nominee a governor that knows how to work within that construct.

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Speaker 3: So that that's the difference there. It's less on policy,

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Speaker 3: it's more in experience and appreciate.

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Speaker 2: I want Brian to have a chance to respond to that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you disagree.

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Speaker 4: Look what our voters want is someone that is going

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Speaker 4: to disrupt the status quo.

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Speaker 5: I'm a change agent.

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Speaker 4: When I went into the MBTA, that was the toughest

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Speaker 4: assignment in state government. We stripped out millions of dollars

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Speaker 4: of cost. We audited every part of that agency, over time, absenteeism,

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Speaker 4: the warehouses, the money room. It was a very disruptive

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Speaker 4: challenge to the status quo.

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Speaker 5: That's what we need.

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Speaker 4: What we don't need is more big government gobbledegook.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot a governor can do. Day one.

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Speaker 4: Morriy Heally could strip all of those state mandated fees

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Speaker 4: out of your bill tomorrow if she wanted to. In fact,

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Speaker 4: by the way, there's a bunch of Democrats in the

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Speaker 4: legislature like Mark Cusick who would like to see her

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 5: She won't touch it. We could do it day one.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to the gas a hookup, you know,

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Speaker 4: morri Heey's administration has banned new gas hookups.

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Speaker 5: That is the executive branch. I would reverse that day one.

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Speaker 4: I was at a distribution center out in Sutton, Massachusetts

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Speaker 4: two weeks ago that showed me a natural gas line

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Speaker 4: they got into run a million square feet of distribution space,

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Speaker 4: and that was permitted in the weeks before Heally took office.

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Speaker 4: Across the street, there's one point five million square feet

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Speaker 4: sitting fallow because they can't get a permit from more

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Speaker 4: Healy to run a gas pipeline. Those are things you

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Speaker 4: can do as an executive. I've been building companies all

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Speaker 4: my life. I know how to make tough decisions, Dan,

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Speaker 4: I know how to move quickly. I know how to

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Speaker 4: be disruptive. I'm a fighter, and I think there's a

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Speaker 4: lot I can do.

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Speaker 3: Day one, Dan, I completely disrupted and restructed a billion

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Speaker 3: and a half dollar buocracy in state government. And unlike

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Speaker 3: some of the changes Brian talked about, my changes stuck.

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Speaker 3: I also completely restructured a bureacracy and laurence. So I've

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Speaker 3: been there and done that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, gentlemen, we got a couple of disruptive ass here,

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Speaker 2: which is fine. I think a lot of people will

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Speaker 2: like to hear that tone, that attitude I now want

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Speaker 2: to hear from phone calls. All right, very quick, break,

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Speaker 2: get the hit shts on during the break, and we'll

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Speaker 2: get callers. To those of you who have been on

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Speaker 2: the line, thank you a for your patients. No one

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Speaker 2: else should be dialing now because all the lines are full.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you to make ask a question,

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Speaker 2: make a comment. But I don't need speeches from callers,

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Speaker 2: so I just would ask you to I know you've

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Speaker 2: been waiting there a long time. Please be patient. This

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Speaker 2: is a showcase, not for the callers. It's a showcase

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Speaker 2: for the for the candidates. My name is Dan Ray.

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Speaker 2: This is Nightside. Thank you for joining us tonight. I

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Speaker 2: think that these candidates are both really represented themselves very

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Speaker 2: very well. And I think the only person at this

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Speaker 2: point who has been disadvantaged probably is the candidate who's

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Speaker 2: not here. But we do have Mike Kanneely and Brian

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Speaker 2: Shortsleeve with us, and we'll say Brian Shortsleeve at Mike Kenneely,

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Speaker 2: whichever way you want. You know who's here and you

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Speaker 2: know who isn't and I hope you'll stay with us.

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Speaker 2: We will continue into the next hour with more questions

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Speaker 2: for these candidates, and then after ten o'clock we were

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Speaker 2: to call in and give us your verdict. But coming

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Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after this very quick break, you're.

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Speaker 1: On night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w b Z

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Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Going to go to phone callers. You've heard a lot

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Speaker 2: from Mike Kinneely and Brian short Sleeve, and now we're

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Speaker 2: going to hear questions from callers. Going to start off

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Speaker 2: with Ian in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts, and direct your question or

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Speaker 2: tell us what it is.

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Speaker 7: Please, Dan, thanks so much for taking my call. Brian

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Speaker 7: and Mike, I you know, we know we live in

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Speaker 7: a one party system right now at state right now,

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Speaker 7: which is really really bad. And four years ago Republicans

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Speaker 7: got slammed, so we lost seats. How do we make

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Speaker 7: sure that doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's jump in.

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Speaker 2: Sure, go for it, Mike, we'll alternat on questions.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, boy, and I would say we have a

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Speaker 3: one party government, not a one party state. I think

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Speaker 3: it's a really important point. The voters of the state

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Speaker 3: are sixty five percent independent, only eight percent Republican, but

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Speaker 3: three almost three quarters of the voters are not Democrats.

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Speaker 3: But the Democrats control every state wide office, every federal office,

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Speaker 3: and eighty five percent of the state legislature. And people

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Speaker 3: say we're this, you know, liberal democratic state. I don't

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Speaker 3: believe that we've got a liberal democratic government. But the

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Speaker 3: government is out of step with the people. And so

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Speaker 3: the way to win as a Republican in the state

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Speaker 3: is to appeal to the independence with common sense solutions

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Speaker 3: and get out there, listen, learn and address real issues

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Speaker 3: that real people are facing. That's how we win.

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Speaker 2: Brian, you want to address Ann's commenting her question.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a great question, and here's the deal.

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Speaker 4: We're going to win this race if we can put

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Speaker 4: forth a candidate that can take the case to more

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Speaker 4: Healey can prosecute the case against more Hell. There's plenty

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Speaker 4: of independent voters out there in Massachusetts that are open

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Speaker 4: for our message. But we've got to put forth a

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Speaker 4: Republican that can beat Heally and can beat Healey on

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Speaker 4: the debate stage, and that means showing up. You know,

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Speaker 4: when we did this four years ago, we had a

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Speaker 4: candidate that refused to debate before the convention. We had

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Speaker 4: a candidate that was woefully unprepared that couldn't break thirty

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Speaker 4: five percent when it came against Heally. So what I

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Speaker 4: would tell you to win this race, We've got to

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Speaker 4: put someone forth that's got.

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Speaker 5: A clear, crisp message, is.

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Speaker 4: Clear what they're going to do day one around energy

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Speaker 4: cost or on the cost of taxes, around affordability, someone

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Speaker 4: who can connect with voters, and someone who's gonna work

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Speaker 4: hard and get out there and get all over this

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Speaker 4: state and make the case. But it starts with a

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Speaker 4: candidate who's got the communications abilities, the background to take

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Speaker 4: take the fight to more Heally because she's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 2: And thank you for the question. I appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Uh, gonna go next to Jackie

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Speaker 2: is in somewhere in western Massachusetts. Uh. Jack Your question

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Speaker 2: for Brian short Sleeve or Mike or or both hopefully

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Speaker 2: Mike MIKENI Hi.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my question is for both.

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Speaker 2: My question is do you think that Minogue is disrespecting

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Speaker 2: the delegates.

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Speaker 6: By not debating?

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Speaker 3: Yes, he is, let me, let me, I'm sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, we'll go with Brian.

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Speaker 2: Not a problem.

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Speaker 5: Well, of course he is.

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Speaker 4: And I think there's a sense of entitlement there that

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Speaker 4: he's going to buy this election and it doesn't have

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Speaker 4: to go out and make the case to our primary voters,

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Speaker 4: and he doesn't need to make the case to our delegates.

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Speaker 5: I think that is disrespecting our delegates.

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Speaker 4: This is a critical race for Massachusetts and we need

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Speaker 4: someone who is ready to go, who can go toe

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Speaker 4: to toe with more Heally. I don't think that Mike

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Speaker 4: Minogue is ready for prime time. I don't think he's

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Speaker 4: ready to answer the tough questions. He's got no experience

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Speaker 4: in public life, and I think that's why he's duck

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Speaker 4: in forums and duck in debates. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: what I did my sixtieth event today in the first

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Speaker 4: two months. I'm gonna do another sixty in the next

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Speaker 4: two months. We're gonna get all over this state. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna tell our story, and I will debate anyone, any place, anytime.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Mike Andnel your reaction to Jack's.

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Speaker 3: Question, Well, he is disrespecting the voters and the delegates.

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Speaker 3: And I know the voters and the delegates and the

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Speaker 3: grassroots of this party better than anybody. Having served for

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Speaker 3: two years as the finance chairs, supported more local candidates

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Speaker 3: than anybody. I've done one hundred and sixty events so

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Speaker 3: far the last eleven months. I've been all over the state.

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Speaker 3: So I know the voters and the activists, and they

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Speaker 3: put an enormous amount of work into helping our party

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Speaker 3: five function to make our candidates competitive. These are people,

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Speaker 3: Dan who are volunteers, and the amount of time they

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Speaker 3: spend running caucuses, holding town committee meetings, holding scigns, collecting signatures,

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Speaker 3: amplifying our message online, making donations. These this is a

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Speaker 3: team sport, right, and you got to respect the team.

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Speaker 3: So he is disrespecting that. And I'll say, if if

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Speaker 3: Mike Minogue thinks he's going to be the nominee of

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Speaker 3: this party without debating in a Republican primary, he's asking

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Speaker 3: us to believe that we should put someone on a

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Speaker 3: debate stage with more heally after the primary, and that'll

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Speaker 3: be his first debate ever, going up against someone who's

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Speaker 3: one statewide office three times as a former prosecutor. That

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Speaker 3: is not a good scenario for us.

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Speaker 2: He said. He said to me when I talked to

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Speaker 2: him on the phone, he said that he did not

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Speaker 2: want to do events like this before the convention. So

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Speaker 2: I just want to make sure that he did not

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Speaker 2: tell me that he was not going to debate before

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Speaker 2: the primary. He said, not before the convention. I've heard it.

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Speaker 3: I've heard it now for a few people. His latest

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Speaker 3: his latest stances is not until after the prime rate.

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Speaker 3: That is an enormous risk for this party to nominate

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Speaker 3: something like that.

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Speaker 2: It would be Hey, Jack and Western mass thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for your call. Let me go next to

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Speaker 2: Joe when new Bedford. He has a question that I

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Speaker 2: think these gentlemen might both would agree on. Joe when

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Speaker 2: new Bedford, you're next on night's side. We'll start this

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Speaker 2: one with Mike Kenneedy. Go ahead, Joe, Hey, Ded, thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me on. My question is do you support

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Speaker 2: lowering the income tax? Thank you, well, I think I

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Speaker 2: know what they're going to say. Listen hear how they say.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Minked.

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Speaker 3: I strongly support it, and so folks should know there'll

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Speaker 3: be a question on the ballot when you go to

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Speaker 3: vote for governor. You can vote to lower your income

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Speaker 3: tax from five percent to four percent. I strongly support that.

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Speaker 3: And for context, the state budget has doubled the last

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Speaker 3: dozen years. The state overspent the budget by ten percent

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Speaker 3: last year. The state budget's out of control. It has

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Speaker 3: grown at twice the growth rate of the average family

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Speaker 3: income the last fifteen years. So the budget's growing too much,

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Speaker 3: and you can vote yourself a tax cut. And by

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Speaker 3: the way, one of the consequences of an out of

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Speaker 3: control state budget is a local aid's not keeping pace

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Speaker 3: with inflation. The state is starving our cities in town.

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Speaker 3: So we have to get our fiscal house and order

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Speaker 3: in the state, and we got to once again be

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Speaker 3: competitive on a tax basis. This battle of question going

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Speaker 3: for five percent to four percent will.

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Speaker 4: Help look working families, George, Our working families in Massachusetts

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Speaker 4: are getting eaten alive by high taxes and high energy bills.

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Speaker 4: We've got to roll back the income tax from five

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Speaker 4: percent to four percent.

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Speaker 2: We have a.

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Speaker 4: Governor who has said that she does not believe that

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Speaker 4: cutting taxes will make Massachusetts more affordable. That's ridiculous. Of course,

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Speaker 4: it will make Massachusetts more affordable, and I.

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Speaker 5: Will do it day one.

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Speaker 4: You know what else will make Massachusetts more affordable. Stripping

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Speaker 4: all those state mandated.

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Speaker 5: Fees out of your energy bill.

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Speaker 4: The average family now is paying four hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: dollars a month in gas and electric bills. That's almost

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Speaker 4: six grand a year. Thirty percent of that are now

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Speaker 4: state mandated fees. If Governor Heal's looking for seven teen

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Speaker 4: hundred bucks, which he talked about today, the terra freebate,

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Speaker 4: I've got a suggestion for her.

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Speaker 5: Strip all those fees out tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: That's seventeen hundred bucks back to Massachusetts families, and she

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Speaker 4: could do it asap.

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Speaker 2: All right, great, Joe, great question. I'm gonna get one

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Speaker 2: more in here before the break. Let me go to

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Speaker 2: Toomer in Sharon, Massachusetts. Tomer, I hope you've heard that's

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Speaker 2: your first name. Go right ahead.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, thanks for taking the question.

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Speaker 2: Got it be quick for me. I'm I got you

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Speaker 2: in before the news.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, tomar Absolutely. Do you guys think it's okay

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Speaker 7: to buy delegates?

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Speaker 5: That's the convention, Like Mike Minogue deserving. Look, Mike Minogue

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Speaker 5: thinks he can buy this election. He's bought delegates. He's

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Speaker 5: running millions of dollars on television.

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Speaker 4: And here's the deal. Mike Rany very large healthcare corporation.

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Speaker 4: I would hire him if I needed to get FDA

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Speaker 4: approval for a heart pump.

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Speaker 5: He's got some great expertise there.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, when I'm governor, maybe I'll hire

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Speaker 4: him to be the head of Health and Human Services.

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Speaker 4: But I tell you what, he does not have any

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Speaker 4: experience driving reform in a government agency.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't have any experience with smaller business, with entrepreneurship.

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Speaker 4: I founded my own business. I've done and I'm ready

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Speaker 4: to go day one.

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Speaker 3: Mike Kennel, it is not appropriate to be buying delegates.

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Speaker 3: I think it's shameful and we should be out there

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Speaker 3: competing for votes every day by doing what we're doing now.

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Speaker 3: Talking to the voters listening, doing events around the state,

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Speaker 3: and yes, we need to have a debate. So no,

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Speaker 3: that is not how we should be competing for votes

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Speaker 3: by buying delegates. I think he's out of touch. He

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Speaker 3: has no experience whatsoever in this arena, in politics or

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Speaker 3: public service at all. And look, I mean it. It

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Speaker 3: is offensive. I'll use that word again. It's offensive to

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Speaker 3: the grassroots, the activists and the voters of this great party.

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Speaker 3: And no, it's not correct.

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Speaker 2: We're talking with Mike Kanneely and Brian Shortchley. They are

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Speaker 2: two of the Republican candidates for governor. You're hearing what

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Speaker 2: they have to say. We will continue our conversation and

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Speaker 2: we will have more callers for the next hour. So

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Speaker 2: if you haven't gotten through lines of foll right now,

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Speaker 2: wait and when lines drop off, they fill up quickly.

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Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty. My name is Dan Ray and this is

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Speaker 2: night Side