1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, Michael Insight showed dragging congratulations on your big 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: promotion to be on the same station as the Rockies. Frankly, 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: I don't care. I listen on the podcast and the 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: best part about all this is that I'll have to 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: listen to five out five fewer hours each week. Thanks, 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: have a great day. 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Why did they pick that promo to push our change 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: starting Monday? Where I say, because we really love you guys, 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: Because I guess they're not in on the joke that 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: we don't love the audience at all. 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 3: But you said it so like. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: That dip what you know, Just keep you know, I 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: don't care if you really listen to podcast or not. 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: Just keep downloading it. In fact, I would to encourage 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: you to download it as many times as you can 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: download it five times a day, I don't care even 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: times a day. 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: You've got the phone, you've got the laptop, and you've 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: got the computer, go ahead and each each. 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: Of the exactly, and then once you get it downloaded, 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: just to leave it, you know, just come on, it's 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: pretty simple. I do have to give it, you know, 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: I do have to give it a little bit of credit. Though. 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: Now we're on the same station, as the Rockies. 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: And they'll even be of a handful you know, three, 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: four or five times where we will be preempted by 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: the Rockies. Yeah. 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: Unfortunately that time slot is not quite as bad as 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: the other time slot. Correct. Oh Man, When I was 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: doing evenings on KOA, it was like, am I am 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: I working this week exactly with all these news stories 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: recently about illegal aliens being involved in fatal or other 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: traffic accidents since they're driving with a driver's license, although 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: not a citizen of any particular state, that maybe not 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: even a citizen of the state that issued the driver's 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: license to them. In fact, even more broadly, I think, 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: more appropriately, not even a citizen of any state of 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: this country. I started searching for the number of accidents 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: fatal or otherwise involving drivers that are illegal aliens, either 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: with no driver's license or an illegal alien that has 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: a Colorado issue driver's license. In twenty nineteen, the Colorado 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: polit Bureau, that's the first year that they authorize the 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: issue once of state driver's licenses to individuals who are 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: in the country illegally. They're not illegal immigrants. They are 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: according to federal code, they are illegal aliens. They are 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: aliens without authorization in the country. But then I started 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: trying to do a deep search of publicly available records, 48 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: trying to find, you know, from the state of Colorado, 49 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: what are the records in terms of accidents fatal or 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: otherwise that involve a driver either the I don't care 51 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: whether they're cause or they're just you know, a victim 52 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: of the accident, but a driver involved in an accident 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: fatal or otherwise. Who is driving with a Colorado issued 54 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: driver's license or any other state issued driver's license, who 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: is an illegal alien? The Colorado Department of Revenue, that's 56 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: who issues driver's licenses, they have not routinely published detailed stats, 57 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: especially on licenses issued to illegal aliens, making exact counts challenging, 58 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: if not impossible, to determine the numbers even and estimates 59 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: are impossible to find. So then I go on and 60 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: I start using different AI platforms see what they can 61 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: come up with. And I dig, and I dig, and 62 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: I dig and virtually everyone. I use about three or 63 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: four different ones when I'm not using Lexus and Nexus. 64 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: In fact, lots of times I will use Lexus Nexus 65 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: to get you know what, Because Lexus Nexus is not 66 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: an artificial intelligence platform. Lexus Nexus is a search platform, 67 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: and you use Boullion searches. You search for it that 68 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: they had natural language searches also, but you search for 69 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: for example, I want to know the number of accidents 70 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: automobile or truck accidents in Colorado where one or other 71 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: drive either driver is an illegal alien with or without 72 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: a driver's license from the state of Colorado or any 73 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: other state, whorl whorl whorld, the blue circle of death, 74 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: or in the case of Mac, the Rainbow circle of death. 75 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: And you wait, you wait, and you wait, and nothing returns. 76 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: So I go on to a difference to I think. 77 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 2: I went onto three different AI platform and I essentially 78 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: got the same response, which in essence was this, if 79 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 2: you want specific data, you'll need to do a Freedom 80 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: of Information Act request to the Colorado State Patrol and 81 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: to the Colorado Department of Revenue. In other words, we're 82 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: not going to publicly show that information. Why why not 83 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: tell us that? Because you know, let's think about a 84 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: Colorado State Patrol, Denver Police Department, or I don't care, 85 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: pick Steve rings Well County Sheriff's office. When there's an accident, 86 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: particularly a fatal accident, they spend hours investigating that accident. 87 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: First thing to do, you know, they'll check out well first, 88 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: I mean obviously they take care of the victims, but 89 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: then they start digging into the driving record. Who are 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: these individuals? You know, they obviously want to do you know, 91 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: we're drugs or alcohol involved? You know, what's on their 92 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: driving record? And at some point they're going to have 93 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: an indication that one person that maybe, let's just say 94 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: is the cause of the accident has a one of 95 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: those no name driver's licenses from either New York or California, 96 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: which automatically indicates that they're in the country illegally. Or 97 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: you might dig into a Colorado driver's license and find 98 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: out that, oh, it's issued under whatever the Senate bill 99 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: was from twenty nineteen in which we just give according 100 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: to state law, undocumented immigrants driver's licenses. Well, you can't 101 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: find the date. But the Assistant Attorney General for the 102 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: United States, our Meat Dylan, has taken a really hard 103 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: position I think deserves a fair hearing because these recent 104 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: fatal truck crashes that, according to her, point to a 105 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: problem with illegal immigrant illegal alien drivers, and not particularly 106 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: I didn't realize until I started digging into this that 107 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: many people conflate Seeks s I k H. Seek, it's 108 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: a religion. They wear the turbans, they got the little 109 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: uh not banned app but the little sword, you know, 110 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: they carry the little sword on them. Seeks, it's a religion. Well, 111 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: apparently Sikhs who are here legally have become part of 112 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: the backbone of American freight. Now many of you might 113 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: expect a cultural war brief, You're not going to get one. 114 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: The claim here is empirical and it's institutional, and that 115 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: is this who is being licensed by what process and 116 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 2: are under what incentives. Now, once you ask those questions 117 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: in that order, you start to find a pattern. The 118 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: pattern is not about ethnicity, it is not about religion. 119 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: It is about legality and the structures that align behavior 120 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: with safety. Now, if you're a sik driver, a lawful 121 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: Seak driver, now most I would say, I think I 122 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: can say most of them are owner operators. They fit 123 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: the safe structure. But an illegal alien who obtains a 124 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: CDL a commercial driver's license through fraud and then finds 125 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: work with a rule breaking firm that fits over here 126 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: in the unsafe structure. So that distinction between the safe 127 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: structure and the unsafe structure, explains the recent tragedies and 128 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: the broader stats that I can find since twenty twenty. 129 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: Just begin with a very basic point that I think 130 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: often gets lost in all the outrage over this. There 131 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: is no there is zero credit evidence that I can 132 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: find that legally present foreign born truck drivers as a 133 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: class have higher crash rates or higher rates of fraud 134 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: than US born drivers. I want to make sure you 135 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: understand that I can't find credible evidence that someone who here, 136 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: who is here legally present, but are forum born and 137 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: drive eighteen wheelers, are fact any truck CDL. Let's say 138 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: that no credible evidence that illegally present form born CDL 139 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: driver as a class has a higher crash rate or 140 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: higher rates of fraud than US born drivers. Now, the 141 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: industry itself has said as much, very plainly. The American 142 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: Trucking Association, they've called the story of unsaved foreign drivers 143 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: flooding the fighway the highways false and unsustainable when you 144 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: start to scrutinize it. Academic work you can find online 145 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: of immigrant driving risk, Well, it's it's not really truck specific. Nonetheless, 146 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: it kind of points in the same direction recent immigrants. 147 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: I'm using the word immigrant here because I'm including both 148 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 2: foreign born people who are in the state. Say they're 149 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: here with a green cart. They're not citizens, but they 150 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 2: are lawfully present in the United States, and illegal aliens 151 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: who are unlawfully present in the United States. So you 152 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: put all these together, you start to see things pointing 153 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: in one direction. Recent immigrants, across all vehicles have been 154 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: measured to have markedly lower serious crash risk than long 155 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: term residents. I was kind of surprised by that, except 156 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: when you look at HMM, a legal immigrant, a legal 157 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: immigrant driver, they clear the same federal and state checks 158 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: as US citizens. In many cases, they face actually closer review, 159 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: particularly in these times when everybody's really should be anyway 160 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: concerned about hiring someone who's not in the country legally 161 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: and does not meet the requirements for a CDL. So 162 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: when many of those drivers, the legal immigrants, are also 163 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: owner operators, then the safety effect actually becomes stronger. Why 164 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: because they finance, they maintain, and they ensure the truck 165 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: that bears their name, so they are incentivized to make 166 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: certain that they are lawful. They have the insurance, they 167 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: have the training, they have the skills because they're carrying 168 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: all of the liability. I guess you could just sum 169 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: it up this way, owner operat US. Owner operator status 170 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 2: matters and does make a difference. It matters because the 171 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: incentives matter. The owner operator's capital and his or her 172 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: CDL license sit on the line with every single mile 173 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: that they drive. So that creates what that creates the 174 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: safety effect, that creates a cautious driving profile. You know, 175 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: as I'm talking about this dragon, all I can think 176 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: about is our truck driving friend who talks about screaming 177 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: through the parks and tearing up the yard and everything else, 178 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: going through the church, drive through the church. I'm not 179 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: sure where. I think we have to have a separate 180 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: safe unsafe category then over here for him backcrap crazy category. Okay, 181 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: what we'll do that. So I got to reformulate my 182 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: notes here. So when I talk about the safety, when 183 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: I talk about the safety effect and the non safety effect, 184 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: he doesn't fit in either one of those. He's over 185 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 2: here in the back crack crazy part. I don't know. 186 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: I just held out of that. So let's go to 187 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: Iowa State. Iowa State University researchers there found that a 188 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: higher share of company drivers correlates with the worst safety performance, 189 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: while heavier reliance on owner operates correlates with better performance. 190 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: I now that's really kind of a TLDR top line. 191 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: Don't read of that study. The experienced owner operators, who 192 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: usually have decades of experience on the road, really do 193 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: take an extraordinary effort to protect their equipment and their record. 194 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: Why because their livelihoods depend upon it. Well, you may say, 195 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: but Michael, the guy that's working for a company, or 196 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: you know, drives for Swift or drives for Cisco, or 197 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: drives for somebody else. You know, they're their equipment and 198 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: their records on the line. Also, Well, not really, because 199 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: they don't pay for the insurance their truck. The company does. 200 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: Cisco or Swift or somebody else pays for that. Well, 201 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: the people that drive for one of the petroleum carriers, 202 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: they carry that insurance. Now their records on the line. 203 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: But it's not the same as being the owner operator. 204 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: It's kind of like public housing. If you own or 205 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: rent your home or your apartment of condo, you're certainly 206 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: going to take better care of it, maintain it, and 207 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: keep it up as opposed to somebody that never writes 208 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: a check never does anything. You just show up and 209 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: they give you a key. You don't give a rights 210 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: ass about it. It's kind of like me in a 211 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: rental car. You know, I want to protect my driver's 212 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: license with respect when I rent a car. But oops, 213 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: if I hit the car, yeah, it's a reundal. I 214 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: don't care, although I should, because obviously that would reflect 215 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: on my insurance. Experienced owner operators decades on the road, 216 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: protect their equipment and their record even when you even 217 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: when controlling for the route type and the freight, the 218 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: incentives for them cut towards safety. Now, I'm not denying 219 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: that company drivers drive safely. I'm not saying that at all. 220 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: It says in this study. It says only that the 221 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: employment model has a measurable effect. So the Sikh community 222 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: which is getting conflated unfortunately, and I think wrongly. I 223 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: don't think wrongly, I know wrongly. With a high share 224 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: of owner operators, will all else equal tend towards safer outcomes. Now, 225 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: for just a moment, let's consider the Punjabi Sikh trucking community, 226 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: which for over forty years now has formed a really 227 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: dense network. And that network embodies those safety incentives. The 228 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: history shows us that long before they came to this country, 229 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: many Seeks in Punjab had already gravitated toward trucking because 230 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: discrim a nation in other professions made trucking one of 231 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: the few occupations where they could freely wear their turbans, 232 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: keep their beards, and earn a living at the same time. 233 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: So then, when the Sikh families began to arrive in 234 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: this country in the eighties and nineties, after ways of 235 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: persecution in India, trucking still drew them because it offered 236 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: those same religious accommodations along with an entrepreneurial path, and 237 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: it gave them a dignified living. Those who came legally 238 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: built businesses, sponsored relatives through lawful channels. They taught the 239 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: trade to their children, or to their cousins, or their nephews, 240 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: or who their aunts, uncles, whoever it was they came 241 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: along with them they came to this country. Over time, 242 00:16:51,680 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: that network scaled. Today most estimates place roughly one hundred 243 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: and thirty five thousand Sikh Americans behind the wheel with 244 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: the CDL. That's about four percent of the entire national 245 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: driver pool, and there's a far higher share of Seeks 246 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 2: on the West Coast. In addition to that, Seeks are 247 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: estimated to own on the order of twenty percent of 248 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: US trucking companies. Now I find that for you're remarkable 249 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: because that signals deep investment, not transient. And in fact, 250 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 2: that indicates to me one of my favorite words, assimilation, 251 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: because ownership brings with it what the owner operator model, 252 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: and that model brings lower crash exposure, higher maintenance discipline. 253 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: The texture that we find on the ground matches those 254 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: numbers the community meant, the Sikh community, they mentor the 255 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: newcomers they find out trucks. They hold their peers accountable. 256 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: Sponsorship is reputational as well as financial, so the sponsor 257 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 2: has a reason to vouch only four candidates that will 258 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: pass all the tests, drug, meet the English requirements, and 259 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: keep their clean logs. Good morning, Michael and Dragon. 260 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: The more I think about it, celebrating being. 261 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: On the same radio station as. 262 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: The Colorado Rockies is a lot like celebrating not matching 263 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 3: a single number on your powerball ticket. 264 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 2: See, we thought that good morning, We thought that's what 265 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: you meant. You should have kept your mouth shut, because 266 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: now you are confessing that that's not what you meant, 267 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: and we took it as a great kind of dig 268 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: at us. That's why we love you, guys, is because 269 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: you you take digs at us. You blew that way. 270 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's better just to keep your mouth shut. Oh my, 271 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: By the way, text line is pretty hilarious today. I 272 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: just had a chance to kind of breathe through it 273 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 2: quickly before I go on, let's go back to my 274 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: pipeline about safe effect and non safe effects. Think about 275 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: the pipeline that I just described about seeks coming here. 276 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 2: There is a culture of driving trucks in Punjab because 277 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: of discrimination. This way, seeks can wear their turbans and 278 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: practice or religion. They're entrepreneurs. They own their own trucks, 279 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: their owner operators. They pass it along, They encourage others, 280 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: they help family members, they hold each other accountable. I mean, 281 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: it's just amazing how they operate. But think about that pipeline. 282 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: A lawful seek sponsor helps a lawful reality. They're not 283 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: going to help someone who's come across the border illegally 284 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: because that imperils them or you know, either a lawfulrality 285 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: or maybe just a neighbor who wants to get a CDL. 286 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: And then they might provide, say an older tractor because 287 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 2: of a brand new one on fair terms, and then 288 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: they integrate that driver into a smaller fleet that prizes 289 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: and emphasizes compliance with the rules and regulations. So this 290 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: new person they don't need to cheat to enter because 291 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: a sponsor can't afford for him to cut corners once 292 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: he's in that cohort. So that pipeline is small, it's relational, 293 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: and it's self policing. Think about the incentive gradients. They 294 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: all point toward safety. They go in this safety column. 295 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: When legal status is in order and the mentor's balance 296 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: sheet is exposed to the mente's behavior, the men drives 297 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: like an owner. That's what a virtuous cycle looks like 298 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: in practice. So we got a baseline. Now, let's contrast 299 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: that cycle with the pattern that gets revealed in the 300 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: recent fatal crashes that have sert all this public anger. Florida, 301 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: august an illegal entrant from India operating a tractor trailer 302 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: on a turnpike made that unlawful maneuver that led to 303 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: that multi vehicle crash and multiple deaths. Subsequent reports indicate 304 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: he came to the country illegally in twenty eighteen, he 305 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: improperly obtained a CDL. He failed the English proficiency requirement. 306 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: He should never have been licensed. And then in California's 307 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later, another illegal alien, also of 308 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: Indian origin, was released after a border crossing, got a 309 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 2: got a CDL and then killed three people in a 310 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 2: dui crash on a major corridor. Those cases do not 311 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: indict Seek Americans. What do they indict? A breakdown? Both 312 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: men had been refused sponsorship by Americas in then and 313 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 2: Seek communities they had gone to and they said, Nope, 314 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: we do not You're not going to be a part 315 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: of our group. Why because no reputable Seek business or 316 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: family would sign their papers and nobody would vouch for them. 317 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: Why because they were already viewed as being irresponsible because 318 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: they come to the country illegally, or they had an 319 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: addiction of some sort. But they were otherwise just in 320 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 2: general terms, they were unfit to trust with a truck 321 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 2: or a loan. See how this virtuous cycle works. The 322 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: best and brightest from Pumjad. They don't risk their lives, 323 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: they don't risk their futures to sneak into the US. 324 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: They wait, they qualify, they enter legally, so these tragedies 325 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: that we hear about, they reveal a separate unsafe channel, 326 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: and that channel bypasses the legitimate seek pipeline and replaces 327 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: it with the unsafe and illicit one that runs through 328 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: fraudulent licening, evasive employers, and complete lack of oversight. You 329 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: think about how that dragon and I were kind of 330 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: talking about this during the break. If you really think 331 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: about how that illicit unsafe channel functions well, corrupt nodes 332 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: in the licensing authorities through carriers that are willing and 333 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 2: they don't care. They're going to gamble their department transportation 334 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: numbers for a marginal dollar. They they don't care. That 335 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: Florida case, for example, exposed a cash for CDL ring 336 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: inside a county DMV where insiders issued hundreds of licenses 337 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: to unqualified applicants, many I can't say most, but many 338 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: of whom were illegal aliens. Surveillance from that DMV shows 339 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: test evasions and now they're under indictment. New York authorities, 340 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 2: in a separate investigation, uncovered a multi state conspiracy. They 341 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: used forged residency and training records, and they used those 342 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: forged records to shepherd more than one thousand illegal aliens 343 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: into CDLs And why does the black market like that 344 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: exist Because there's demand for would be drivers who can't 345 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: pass the test honestly or can't meet the legal status requirements, 346 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: and that persists because there are employers who will hire 347 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 2: those drivers to run older equipment, to fake the logs, 348 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: to skip the drug squeeze screens, to squeeze out additional hours. 349 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: They are horrible employers who are as liable in my opinion, 350 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: as the drivers themselves. In fact, you should ask Dan 351 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: this afternoon if your family was involved in a truck crashchase. Man, 352 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: I don't know about that right where an illeal alien 353 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: has fraudulely obtained a commercial driver's license and not an 354 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: owner operator, but operating you know, for a company, and 355 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: that company's been involved in some underhanded, you know, under 356 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: the table cash payments to get them through all the 357 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: DMV processes. Don't you think you could probably hold the 358 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: operator liable And you might even although sovereign immunity might 359 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: protect them, depending on how that DMV operates in a 360 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 2: particular state, you might be able to have to go 361 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: after those individuals that did that because they're operating outside 362 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: the scope with their duty. If they were operating within 363 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: the scope with their duty, sovereign immunity might protect them 364 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: from liability. But they're not operating that way. They're operating illegally. 365 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: They're operating fraudulently, and that persists because of those companies 366 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: and the corruption inside our government. Oh wait a minute, Michael, 367 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: we should advocate our compassion to the government because they'll 368 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: be compassion. Gee. I wonder how much fraud goes on 369 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: in the foodstamp program. Gee, I wonder how much fraud 370 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: goes on in Colorado? Gee, I wonder? You know here, 371 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: it's economies, pure simple economies. If a firm refuses to 372 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: bear the cost of compliance, then it's naturally going to 373 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: go find drivers who cannot complain to regulators and who 374 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 2: will accept some substandard, in fact unsafe or illegal working conditions. 375 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: That's the shadow labor market that allow with the higher 376 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 2: crash risk and puts them in the unsafe category. So 377 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: go back to the Deputy Attorney general. Her claim is 378 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: not only plausible, I think it's the best explanation that 379 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: you can get when you clustered the fact since twenty twenty, 380 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 2: the safety problem is actually concentrated among drivers who never 381 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: should have been licensed and among the carriers who use 382 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: those improperly and unlawfully and improperly licensed drivers. But the 383 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: lawful seat network, by contrast, is actually a safety asset. 384 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: They're living the American dream. They've come here legally, they 385 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: none of they come here legally, They establish their own business, 386 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: they end up buying their own rigs, and then they 387 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: slowly grow and expand their network. But they're very careful 388 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: about expanding their nets work. Oh you're a Sikh, but 389 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: you came here illegally. Now we're not going to have 390 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: anything to do with you. Oh you're a Sikh and 391 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: you came here legally. Let's talk to you. Let's see 392 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 2: what you're like. You know, let's do a really serious interview, 393 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: find out what your goals and objectives are. You know, 394 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 2: where do you want to be in five years? Kind 395 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: of crap, make fun of it if you will. But 396 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: that kind of network, I don't care if they're Sikhs, Mexicans, Guatemalans, 397 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: I don't care if they're what if they've come to 398 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: the country legally and they set up that kind of network, 399 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: power to them. And that network grew through sponsorship because 400 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: it channels the entrance into owner operator roles, and it 401 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: deploys strong peer pressure all trying to make sure that 402 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: they comply with the rules the laws. And that's why 403 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: the industry voices have urged the public to reject any 404 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: attempt to smear Sekh truckers in the wake of these tragedies. 405 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: They're actually our neighbors. They're business owners. They pay taxes, 406 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: they train the apprentices that they bring to work in 407 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: their companies, and then they deliver the freight that keeps 408 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: the stores stocked. They are not the cause of the 409 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: current spike in fatality headlines. Now, two clarifications matter. Next, Brownie, 410 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: I'm surprised how much you know about truck and in 411 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: the sikhs, but you missed one important facts. They're all 412 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: wearing flip flops. Well, at least they're putting something on 413 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: their feet as opposed to your gross dirty toenails that 414 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: are like Howard Hughes long haven't been trimmed and you know, 415 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: six years, super yellow and callouses on the feet. They're 416 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: just cracked and nasty and probably got oil and grease 417 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: in between. The cracks on the bottom of your feet 418 00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: are just gross. And then you know u at least 419 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: they have flip flops on now and I'll never get 420 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: a straight answer, But I really like to know is 421 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: that true? I don't know. But do you think I'm 422 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: gonna believe a word? He tells me. No, not a word. 423 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: But that train left the station. That train left the 424 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: station and crashed on the bridge a long time ago. 425 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: Two things I want to make sure you understand. I 426 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: don't mean that like just two clarifications. Nothing I say 427 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: denies that a lawful immigrant from any country. I'm not 428 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: denying that a lawful immigrant can commit a crime, or 429 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: that a US born driver can be reckless. Of course 430 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: that's true. Should go without saying. The claim I'm giving 431 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: you is statistical, not categorical. We're talking about rates and predictors, 432 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: the predictors that keep resurfacing our legal status, integrity of 433 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: the licensing process, and the employment model. And then the 434 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: second point I would make is the role of illegal 435 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: entrants illegal aliens is not a moral condemnation of all 436 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: who cross unlawfully. I think they've broken the law, and 437 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: I think that that has moral and legal consequences. It's 438 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: simply a recognition that in commercial trucking, the law builds 439 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: the safety railings, and they're quite frankly not doing it. 440 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: In many cases, the Class A license ought to be 441 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: a very reliable signal that that driver is in the 442 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: country with authorization. If we allow compromise, that category of 443 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: safety becomes diminished. There's no integrity in it. We put 444 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: eighty thousand pound machines into untested hands. So what should 445 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: you and I be demanding? Well, think about the fault 446 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: lines that I just described. There is a licensing fraud 447 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: economy that ought to be crushed legally, criminal prosecution, jail time, 448 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: withdrawal of their ability to do business. Again, that means 449 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 2: you might have in internal affairs or an inspector general 450 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: at DMVs. We ought to be auditing random audits of 451 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: the third party testers, and there ought to be criminal 452 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: referrals for any broker that sells forged training records or 453 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 2: residency documents. Wait a minute, am I just describing what 454 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: we should be doing? Anyway? And quite frankly, you know, 455 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: Dragon and I were talking during the break about, well, 456 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: if we go to home depot and hire somebody and 457 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 2: they show us a driver a Colorado or driver's license, well, 458 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: does it meet the W nine requirements? Well, in Colorado, 459 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: Probably not, because I know and we know based on law, 460 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: that they give driver's licenses to illegal aliens. That's the 461 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: foot in the door. Florida and New York takedowns that 462 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: have taken place ought to be the template, not the exception. 463 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: Then there's another thing we all to make dot drug 464 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: screening and the English requirement. Actually take it seriously, put 465 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: some bite in it. If an applicant fails English, you 466 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: don't drive a hazmaunt route through a port city. In fact, 467 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: I think if you failed English, you don't drive at all. 468 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: Third use data the way that safety critical sectors already do. 469 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: Match the crash reports, inspection histories, the carrier ownership trees 470 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: to identify all the chameleon carriers out there that just 471 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: turn through names to outrun out of service orders. The 472 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: same analytics analytics firms that monitor fraud in banking could 473 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: help the FMCSA do the same thing to see the 474 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: shell games and then elevate and replicate what works. But 475 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: what to be doing, we're not doing anything right now. 476 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 2: Do you think they're gonna do that in Colorado? Do 477 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: you think they they're doing it in New York of 478 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 2: all places? Shocker to me, and they're doing in Florida. 479 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: Not shocker to me. What do you think about Colorado? 480 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: I'd be curious to hear what our truck drivers to 481 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 2: say about Colorado. And then there's one more thing. Elevate 482 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 2: and replicate what works. Encourage owner operator pathways through small 483 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: fleet apprenticeships. Recognize the communities with reputational bonds such as 484 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: the Sikhs, can onboard new drivers with higher safety expectations 485 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: at a lower public cost. The Seeks, in so many 486 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 2: ways offer a case study and practical answers. Now, I 487 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: know most of them grew up speaking English in Punjab 488 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: because that's a core part of their schooling, that's a 489 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 2: core part of business India. And then to come here legally, 490 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: they've got to demonstrate English fluency as part of the 491 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 2: immigration and licensing process. English proficiency is both a known 492 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 2: requirement and an internal expectation. It should be for everybody. 493 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 2: Chris gets back to what does this help us accomplish 494 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 2: assimilation