Speaker 1: Oh that rocky on a Friday. If you're back from
Speaker 1: the Deep South.
Speaker 2: Yeah, back from deep South Statesboro, Georgia, charming little town
Speaker 2: about an hour what I guess west of Savannah. So
Speaker 2: uh and the Southern miss Yeah, yeah, we down there.
Speaker 2: Should have visited Jay Rattle if I was down He
Speaker 2: lives in Savannah, doesn't He was trying to get us
Speaker 2: to go down there.
Speaker 1: He's got the beach house. I know. I should should
Speaker 1: have should have hit him up. But no.
Speaker 2: But good to be here on a Friday, ed and
Speaker 2: uh while I was well, it happened before I left.
Speaker 2: But the big news, of course on the Bengals front,
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, you're a boy straight from the Browns, is
Speaker 2: now part of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk to our good friend, as we always
Speaker 1: do this time every Friday. It's our our friend, Richard
Speaker 1: Skinner Local twelve and skinny. What's the what is the
Speaker 1: skinny on Flaco? As far as the you know, he'said
Speaker 1: a couple of days to play with these guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's been a whirlwind week. We talked to
Speaker 3: him today. It was funny and I'm writing a story
Speaker 3: on him right now. And uh, the lead really involved
Speaker 3: revolves are alway talked about. He hardly ever gets his
Speaker 3: wife involved in like helping him regurgitate plays during the week,
Speaker 3: he said, but I actually had to pull her in,
Speaker 3: and he goes, she actually did pretty good. So what
Speaker 3: happens is she'll like say a play and then he
Speaker 3: has to say it back and kind of picture what
Speaker 3: that play is. And then he says, you know a
Speaker 3: lot of quarterbacks do that to to kind of get
Speaker 3: the flow of well, how they want to call it,
Speaker 3: how it's supposed to be called, all those things, And
Speaker 3: he said, she actually called it pretty well, because there's
Speaker 3: a certain way you got to have it come out
Speaker 3: of your mouth. It's it's not just words, it's the
Speaker 3: way the words are presented. And I thought that was
Speaker 3: pretty that's pretty good stuff. But I think that shows you.
Speaker 3: I mean, they have they have had the speed time warp,
Speaker 3: getting him ready to learn a new offense to get
Speaker 3: all and there's a lot to it, and it is
Speaker 3: it's knowing, it's knowing the protection checks, it's knowing the checks,
Speaker 3: it's knowing is this a run tag? And this a motion?
Speaker 3: What are what are these things? And I mean you
Speaker 3: got to do all that in a span of about
Speaker 3: three days to get ready to play, and we'll find out.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's it's fascinating to watch. It's at
Speaker 3: least now interesting, right. I mean, the last three games
Speaker 3: were a disaster. I felt like things were heading nowhere.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is gonna work or not.
Speaker 3: I don't think they know if it's gonna work or not.
Speaker 3: But it's at least interesting and we're gonna find out.
Speaker 2: And bring up a good point about talking the play
Speaker 2: call back. If you watch that series Quarterback on Netflix,
Speaker 2: that's something I remember from that series that Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: would do.
Speaker 1: He would record.
Speaker 2: Himself on his phone saying the calls and repeating them back.
Speaker 1: So that's one way to learn.
Speaker 2: I also read something skinny about how he's gonna wear
Speaker 2: a wristband and how is that gonna help? They have
Speaker 2: the helmet, the helmet communication, but he's also gonna have
Speaker 2: a wrist band.
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Joe Burrow has done that. In fact, Zach
Speaker 3: Taylor told us today that that they do that almost
Speaker 3: all the time on the road with the quarterbacks. He's like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: if we're in Kansas City or in the low red zone,
Speaker 3: you can't hear yourself think. So I'll just go to
Speaker 3: the play, you know, going to the headset, He goes,
Speaker 3: I may say two words about the play that kind
Speaker 3: of clues them in on what it is. And then
Speaker 3: I'll go play number twelve on your sheet, and that
Speaker 3: way they can look down real quick at play number
Speaker 3: twelve and spit the call out from there. So, Joe,
Speaker 3: this is not new for really, for really the Bengals,
Speaker 3: but it is interesting because I guess I've never paid
Speaker 3: any attention to Joe Burrow wearing it. I've actually I
Speaker 3: called up a couple of pictures and looked at and go,
Speaker 3: I guys, he has won it before. So it is
Speaker 3: something they do almost all the time on the road,
Speaker 3: just because of how loud it can be.
Speaker 2: I have to imagine most of it is just verbiage.
Speaker 2: I mean, the concepts are the same. It's just what
Speaker 2: he called a mesh concept in Cleveland is now called
Speaker 2: something totally different.
Speaker 1: So that that's probably the biggest loophole here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. And you know you have forty seves
Speaker 3: on the play clock, right the head coach gets to
Speaker 3: call in at thirty five and then you can't completely
Speaker 3: remember how to spit that out correctly. And then somebody
Speaker 3: the hddle looks at you and goes, huh, I hear it.
Speaker 3: And now you're down to like fifteen seconds. And so
Speaker 3: you finally get out the huddle and you're down to
Speaker 3: ten seconds. And then you got to make you know,
Speaker 3: you see a different defensive look and you're you're expecting
Speaker 3: you see them maybe coming up caring with the blitz.
Speaker 3: You gotta seen some mother stuff. Well you know what
Speaker 3: play clock expired. So it's it's important. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think everybody thinks it's it's something that's easy to just
Speaker 3: spit that play out and go run it. There's a
Speaker 3: lot that goes into it, believe it or not. And
Speaker 3: it's different from Joe Burrow who's done this in this
Speaker 3: system for six years. It's a guy who's done it
Speaker 3: for three days for goodness sakes. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: And we're talking to Richard Skinner and Rocket. This is
Speaker 1: more of a question for you what is actually on
Speaker 1: I've always wondered that what exactly is on those wristband
Speaker 1: those a little flip things there. I mean, is it
Speaker 1: just it's a code.
Speaker 2: I assume, yes, it's usually just yeah, yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: just play calls and you know, having and I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly, there's a million ways you can break them down,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's just play called. Like Skinny said, the
Speaker 2: easiest way to communicate is for Zach to commover the
Speaker 2: headset and say run play five. And he looks down
Speaker 2: at the wristband and and you you call out whatever
Speaker 2: play five is, and which is how many of you, how.
Speaker 3: Many of you eble de sensitive players in your day
Speaker 3: try to rip that wrist band off of the quarterback?
Speaker 2: Well, see, but that's the thing is, you know, you
Speaker 2: would look at it and it would probably look like Chinese,
Speaker 2: you know, like a lot of the.
Speaker 3: It would, but he would. But but there's the question.
Speaker 3: Do they have backup wrist bands in case you're still there?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's my big thing. But you stole
Speaker 3: there the one he's got, and they don't have a
Speaker 3: backup player already written out of that thing.
Speaker 1: You're flying blind, brother, that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have an extra laminated copy of the
Speaker 2: of the sheet.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's a damn. The Benguishon Institute that
Speaker 1: this week that might.
Speaker 2: Help us get a little edge on somebody's wrist band.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Not on the play on the risk rules, that might
Speaker 3: just be against the rules. I'm gonna guess I don't
Speaker 3: know what rule that's breaking, but I'm sure there's some
Speaker 3: there's a rule back.
Speaker 2: Richard Skinner's our guests and skinny uh and Joe Flagger
Speaker 2: is not gonna love this making his first start, but
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor anounced I guess t or Jamar Chase is
Speaker 2: sick and may not play.
Speaker 1: What's the story with this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he sent he's sent him home today
Speaker 3: for after the walk through. He did take part in
Speaker 3: the meeting and the walk through, and then send him
Speaker 3: home for practice, just to get some rest. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: guess that an illness on a Friday doesn't mean a
Speaker 3: big deal. Obviously, a monitor for the next two days.
Speaker 3: I would guess if he was able to take part
Speaker 3: in some things today, that's probably not too bad, and
Speaker 3: I would guess he will likely play. But obviously he's
Speaker 3: questionable on the injury report because of that illness.
Speaker 1: And what about the packers skinning you?
Speaker 2: Obviously we know Michael Parsons in there is there and
Speaker 2: having a heck of a year. Jordan loves a quarterback.
Speaker 2: They're one of the better teams in the NFL. What
Speaker 2: do you know about the Packers and what can the
Speaker 2: Bengals do here?
Speaker 3: Well, of course, the Bengals offensive line has struggled. There
Speaker 3: are thirtieth in the NFL and pass rush russ win weight,
Speaker 3: So that's not good. And you're facing a Packer team
Speaker 3: in which Micah Parsons has at least seven pressures in
Speaker 3: each of the last three games. He only has two
Speaker 3: and a half stacks on the season, but seven pressures
Speaker 3: means he's bothering quarterbacks. Obviously, they bother quarterbacks. Now, Joe Flacco,
Speaker 3: I think the positive is and it's been talked about
Speaker 3: and written about this week. Has faced the Green Bay
Speaker 3: Packers this season. He faced in just three weeks ago
Speaker 3: and in Cleveland thirteen attend Now, flaccol wasn't great. He
Speaker 3: was a twenty one to thirty six for like one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty some odd yards, but they did win
Speaker 3: thirteen to ten. So he has a I think a
Speaker 3: fresh concept of that defense. You know, he even said
Speaker 3: he goes you know, I've already seen him on film.
Speaker 3: And then seen one on film and then seeing what
Speaker 3: they're like physically on the field, so that probably is
Speaker 3: a little bit helpful.
Speaker 4: And I think it is.
Speaker 3: They've only played one game since the tie with Dallas
Speaker 3: because they had a buy last week, so it's not
Speaker 3: like all of a sudden you played them and then
Speaker 3: eight more weeks ago buy and there's eight more weeks
Speaker 3: of game film. There's only one other week of game
Speaker 3: film and that was the Cowboys game. So I think
Speaker 3: if there's a silver line, to some degree, he's he's
Speaker 3: at least prepared for this opponent.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine preparing for an opponent, you know, as
Speaker 3: extensively as you do and learning a new system all
Speaker 3: in one week. So again, the silver line would be,
Speaker 3: at least from a preparations standpoint, is probably more refresher
Speaker 3: than than doing the deep dives because you've already done
Speaker 3: that and then you know you're you're really immersed in
Speaker 3: learning the system as much as you can.
Speaker 1: Let's take a winner or a loss out of it.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we want the Bengals to win, and if that happens,
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco is going to have to have a positive
Speaker 2: impact in that.
Speaker 1: But take that out of there.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about what does a good day
Speaker 2: for Joe Flacco look like? And for me, it's just
Speaker 2: got to be, you know, hitt and open guys. I
Speaker 2: feel like that was what happened with Browning a lot.
Speaker 2: There'd be some guys opening a scheme and he was
Speaker 2: either a tick late or he didn't see him, or.
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 2: What is a a solid first game under tough circumstances
Speaker 2: look like for Joe Flacco making making.
Speaker 3: Good decisions with the football number one? And I know
Speaker 3: it's if you're about to get sacked, thoughed in the
Speaker 3: third row, you know, don't don't put the ball in danger,
Speaker 3: hit open receivers, be on time. I think those are
Speaker 3: some of things. You know, You've still got that howitzer
Speaker 3: for an arm, and so I think he can trust
Speaker 3: throwing the ball occasionally into a tight window because he
Speaker 3: does have that big arm. But you're right, hit open
Speaker 3: receivers that's had his number one. To your point, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think this would be a big ass to go
Speaker 3: to Green Bay and win if Joe Burrow were quarterbacking.
Speaker 3: So I think the only thing you can do is
Speaker 3: win or lose. It's just assume as a loss, because again,
Speaker 3: like I said, I think it was gonna be tough
Speaker 3: anyway if you just look and go, that was some
Speaker 3: confident offense. That that gives me a glimmer of hope,
Speaker 3: because then you do have three straight games at home
Speaker 3: the short week with Pittsburgh on Thursday night, then then
Speaker 3: two winnable games with the Jets and Bears. It's conceivable
Speaker 3: even if you lose this game, as long as it
Speaker 3: looks better and I think we'll know what it looks like.
Speaker 3: If it looks better, right, then you get the five
Speaker 3: and four it to buy and you go, Okay, you're
Speaker 3: back into having a chance at this thing. And so
Speaker 3: I just think, yeah, I think people shouldn't get over
Speaker 3: the skis if they lose. If it's if it's a
Speaker 3: manner they lose the way they lost the Denver game
Speaker 3: or the Minnesota game, or played for parts of the
Speaker 3: Detroit game, then sure. But if there's you know, defense,
Speaker 3: Sal Golden, we talked to him this week. He thought
Speaker 3: his unit's getting better. They did force Detroit to punt
Speaker 3: five times in that game, and they also gave up
Speaker 3: thirty five you know, points to their offense. But you know,
Speaker 3: he thinks they're taking some steps forward if they can
Speaker 3: take some steps forward in this game too, and you go, okay,
Speaker 3: defense took a little step forward. They played pretty solid.
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco looked like a competent quarterback. And that's just
Speaker 3: his first game, and you got to expect him to
Speaker 3: keep improving. You know, his games go on and he
Speaker 3: learns more and more about the offense and the timing
Speaker 3: of it and all that, then you would feel, okay.
Speaker 1: I think, all right, that's our good friend to Richard
Speaker 1: Skinner and Skinny to let me ask you. The spread
Speaker 1: on this is fourteen points? You're taking that? Bet?
Speaker 3: I am. It's just that's so much in the NFL, man,
Speaker 3: it really truly is. I got you know, could it
Speaker 3: goes sideways, sure, because we've seen two of the last
Speaker 3: three games go completely sideways on them. But that's a
Speaker 3: big number in the NFL at fourteen, especially if you
Speaker 3: put the little half point on the end of it.
Speaker 3: Fourteen in the hook man, a two touch down spread
Speaker 3: in this league? Who sign me up to that?
Speaker 1: All right? All right, Richard Skinner, thanks so much, buddy,
Speaker 1: I got agree with Thanks Skinning, our good friend. H
Speaker 1: Richard Skinner, Local twelve, and I don't know, are you
Speaker 1: making that bad, bunny? I'm that fourteen points would scare
Speaker 1: the hell I don't bet sports, but that would scare
Speaker 1: the hell out of me.
Speaker 2: It's at Green Bay, which sways a little bit that way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I And this is why I stay away from because
Speaker 2: I agree with Skinny's point. I when you look at
Speaker 2: most games come down to a field goal right in
Speaker 2: the NFL, So fourteen points is huge. There's just too
Speaker 2: many unknowns for me to want to put any money
Speaker 2: on this game. I mean the biggest one, of course, Flacco.
Speaker 2: How's he gonna look?
Speaker 6: All right? With that?
Speaker 1: We check in with traffic and weather? What is going on? Seven?
Speaker 1: What a glorious year.
Speaker 2: This band White Snake went to number one on the charts,
Speaker 2: made more famous by the video.
Speaker 1: I must say, well, there weren't great videos out.
Speaker 2: The route, Yes, and by great, it showed extremely hot
Speaker 2: women and parties.
Speaker 1: It's yes, you know, basically rolling around what was she on?
Speaker 1: I forget with it like a It wasn't a mazzle roddy,
Speaker 1: but like it.
Speaker 2: Was like a ring a jaguarre or something maybe something
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, rolling around the hood. I mean it
Speaker 2: doesn't take a genius to know that that'll work. But
Speaker 2: I give credit to the guy for saying that's what
Speaker 2: we're doing. I canna overthink this. Get the hottest rock
Speaker 2: chick on the planet rolling around on the hood of
Speaker 2: a hot car and people.
Speaker 1: Will watch it. Well, all those all those videos back then,
Speaker 1: I mean that was one of them, the hot for
Speaker 1: you know, Van Halen, Hot for teacher. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: that was soft core porn. All right, here we go,
Speaker 1: Here we go. Yeah, I mean, think about the song.
Speaker 1: I think you're tying to tell you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, now I got a question for you that do
Speaker 2: you like this song? You think this is a good
Speaker 2: rock song? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So my question is, if you like this song and
Speaker 2: you like White Snake, why do you not like the
Speaker 2: band that is very similar to them, bon Jovi. It's
Speaker 2: like the stic, the same band, the same band. I mean,
Speaker 2: although I will admit David Coverdale is much cooler than
Speaker 2: John bon Jovi, but still so is that what it
Speaker 2: comes down to for you?
Speaker 3: See?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: To me, bon Jovi is a little uh whissyfied. I
Speaker 1: use that word because I can't use the other word.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, Whitesnake had some bangers man. You know,
Speaker 1: they rocked a little harder than than bon Job. You
Speaker 1: gotta admit Jovi was they were. They were a good
Speaker 1: pop band, so were the Monkeys. They were not in
Speaker 1: a rock and roll Hall of Fame either. Still a Night,
Speaker 1: by the way, is the best White Snake song, hands down, agreed,
Speaker 1: hands down? Ok, yeah, you know there, but think about
Speaker 1: that back in that day, the glorious days of m
Speaker 1: t V, when like I said, Hot for Teacher, you
Speaker 1: had Jay Giles band centerfold. You know, that's that's what
Speaker 1: it was, exactly like Hot for Teacher kind of right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh and the the trilogy from Aerosmith with Steven
Speaker 1: Tyler's daughter and uh uh.
Speaker 2: Crazy amazing crime.
Speaker 1: What was that? What was the other girl's name? I
Speaker 1: forget her name? I was Lived Tyler, Alicia Silverstone, Silverstone,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of pseudo Lesbo, kind of maybe sword
Speaker 1: And it was like every video was like that though.
Speaker 2: I mean for Aerosmith, a little egregious on that, by
Speaker 2: the way, because the same video three times, but also
Speaker 2: like the same song three times just changed the hook,
Speaker 2: changed the verse, a little amazing crazy and crying.
Speaker 1: Come on, I totally why I agree with your assessment
Speaker 1: of that situation. But yeah, well I can't believe that
Speaker 1: Kiss and Never. I don't think Kiss ever did that?
Speaker 5: Did they?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I remember a kiss video would
Speaker 1: any and you would think that of all the people
Speaker 1: in the world, Gene Simmons would have been like, I
Speaker 1: put a couple of hot chicks in here and will
Speaker 1: have been kind of thunder would be a great video.
Speaker 2: If I've talked about this documentary before, but it's called
Speaker 2: the Decline of Western Civilization Part two, The Meddle Years,
Speaker 2: Penny whatever. She made this great documentary on the whole
Speaker 2: like sunset strip thing. And in the documentary or I
Speaker 2: heard talk about the documentary because oh god, oh what
Speaker 2: was the guitarist from Kiss? Come on, Paul Paul Stanley.
Speaker 2: She's interviewing him, and you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: Paul Stanley interviews him or asked him to be in
Speaker 2: this documentary. He's like, Okay, I'll do it, but I
Speaker 2: don't want to do anything tacky or silly, he said,
Speaker 2: So my idea is I'll be laying on a bed
Speaker 2: and I want you to have three girls laying around
Speaker 2: me in lingerie.
Speaker 1: He's just like, what you didn't want to.
Speaker 2: Do anything corny or cliche.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Uh yeah, in the middle of year. Look, hey,
Speaker 1: hey kids, you weren't around then. You don't get what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. At the time, it was, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was softcore porn on MTV. MTV it what was now?
Speaker 1: Because now, I mean it's not even there's not even music.
Speaker 2: Videos they even play music videos. I love good music videos,
Speaker 2: fat oh, absolutely love them. Yes, it's a different time.
Speaker 2: I guess they have music videos. They're just on YouTube
Speaker 2: and you gotta look them up, which is not as
Speaker 2: good as it's kind of like, you know, there's always
Speaker 2: something about when a great song you weren't expecting it
Speaker 2: came on the radio, it sounded much better than that
Speaker 2: same song if you pop the CD in the CD player.
Speaker 2: I just did so anyway, another news z. Look, I'm
Speaker 2: a guy. I like a little you know, alternative medicine.
Speaker 2: In my NFL days, I would have, you know, anything,
Speaker 2: as long as it was legal. I would have eaten
Speaker 2: or drank or applied anything to make me feel better.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: This woman here in China actually took that to the
Speaker 2: next level, though. An eighty two year old woman she's
Speaker 2: being identified as Zang She was. She lives in the
Speaker 2: city of Hangzhou, and she was haugh for stuff from
Speaker 2: a herniated disk, okay, And so they're like, hey, we
Speaker 2: got you know, we can go through this treatment or
Speaker 2: there's this other treatment you can try. And it consisted
Speaker 2: of eating or swallowing live frogs, okay. So in one
Speaker 2: sitty she followed, she swallowed three live frogs and these
Speaker 2: frogs are like the you know, the palm of your hand,
Speaker 2: but still right. And then the next day swallowed five more.
Speaker 2: Subsequently went to the hospital with extreme abdominal pain, unable
Speaker 2: to walk. Doctors like, what the hell is going on
Speaker 2: with this person, and they take an X ray or
Speaker 2: do a test, and they're like, oh, there's like five
Speaker 2: animals in your digestive system.
Speaker 1: Right now, animals your stomach right.
Speaker 2: Spent two weeks in the hospital, discharged and promptly told ma'am,
Speaker 2: please do not swallow any more frogs.
Speaker 1: So please don't talk about discharge when you're talking about
Speaker 1: a woman who ate like seven life frogs, especially when
Speaker 1: it is eighty two. Yeah, good god. With that, we
Speaker 1: have John Matay's coming up. Hard act to follow, I know,
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Speaker 1: Into Friday roundabout this time, and that means we talked
Speaker 1: to this fellow rattiot, our good friend John Mattarees from
Speaker 1: WCPO nine News, and John, you were talking about this
Speaker 1: Halloween candy sale. I don't know if it was last
Speaker 1: week or two weeks ago, but yeah, ask me, is
Speaker 1: it that I can actually afford to buy me a
Speaker 1: bag of recent cups?
Speaker 5: I guess yeah.
Speaker 6: People have been asking me about this then we first
Speaker 6: reported it about a week and a half ago. Because
Speaker 6: candy is so expensive. I mean, you're going out now
Speaker 6: this weekend, you're gonna be tempted to buy that candy,
Speaker 6: and I mean those little bags are five dollars. I
Speaker 6: mean that small bag of you know, the Hrshy seties
Speaker 6: or the Yeah Reese's peanut butter cups, like around five
Speaker 6: bucks no matter what story you go to, and you
Speaker 6: know you need a whole bunch of that just in
Speaker 6: the average family will spend sixty dollars six zero on
Speaker 6: Halloween candy this year. So wow, that's expensive. So people
Speaker 6: ask me when is the candy sale, and it's this
Speaker 6: coming Wednesday. It starts Wednesday, October fifteenth at all Cincinnati
Speaker 6: area Kroger stores are gonna have thirty percent off the
Speaker 6: candy prices. So it's a real nice sale. I mean,
Speaker 6: I've hit this several times in the past few years
Speaker 6: and people always said to me, oh, when's that candy sales?
Speaker 3: Last week? I missed it.
Speaker 6: So you know you want to go to this coming
Speaker 6: Wednesday and snap up all that candy Wednesday, Thursday, Friday
Speaker 6: this week because you can get a little nice price
Speaker 6: on it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it affects you that much, yety,
Speaker 6: because you're going to be buying the really cheap stuff
Speaker 6: like the candy, corn and the other stuff that the
Speaker 6: kids don't want.
Speaker 1: Hey, look, I give a kid a piece of candy
Speaker 1: corn and uh, and I give them financial advice and
Speaker 1: don't bet on a fat horse, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and like, move along, kid, get off my lawn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm giving them a like I think it's
Speaker 1: a treat as a life lesson for many fingers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 6: The pop you know what the problem is with buying candy?
Speaker 6: Now you go, you buy some bags of candy and like, honey,
Speaker 6: I got some candy.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it right here in the pantry. And
Speaker 3: then like every day the bag it's.
Speaker 6: Smaller, you know, and then it's three days before Halloween.
Speaker 6: It's like where did all the Reese's peanut butter cups go? Now?
Speaker 2: But but to your point about the price that can
Speaker 2: my wife just the other week, I was like, you know, hey, like,
Speaker 2: you know, get some yeah whatever Reesey cups or something.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, no, do you know how expensive candy is.
Speaker 2: I'm like, candy, like cheap candy that's probably not even
Speaker 2: real chocolate. That's that's that's expensive. And yeah, she said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: And who knows why. I don't know who.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's behind it. I blame Big Chocolate Ed.
Speaker 2: That's why Y're right behind the whole thing. I'm going
Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Nevertheless, you know that's the amazing thing.
Speaker 3: You were mentioning that the quality. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 6: I mean you get some of that stuff at the
Speaker 6: grocery store in the bags and you bite into it
Speaker 6: and like, is this really chocolate. We just went out
Speaker 6: to Fawn Candy. They've got a place in Rookwood and
Speaker 6: they've got another one on Harrison Avenue out in Western Hills,
Speaker 6: and it was amazing the difference. I mean, it's this delicious,
Speaker 6: rich chocolate. I mean it was so good, and you know,
Speaker 6: they were showing us, you know, how they make it
Speaker 6: in the fact that the cocoa prices are up so much,
Speaker 6: et cetera. But I'll tell you if you can, you know,
Speaker 6: for your family, for the kids, your own kids, you
Speaker 6: aland get to that locally made chocolate because that's the
Speaker 6: real thing. Yeah, you get that stuff with the grocery
Speaker 6: story like what is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me tell you something. A couple of
Speaker 1: it was shooting with then the last month, dev had
Speaker 1: been a Big Brothers Big Sisters here in town. Big brothers,
Speaker 1: big sisters of Greater Cincinnati, I should say, And now
Speaker 1: she's going to be happy. But he been there for
Speaker 1: like ten years or whatever it's been. And her her
Speaker 1: boss gave her a little gift bag that she bought
Speaker 1: it Trader Joe's and it had Trader Joe's greasy cups
Speaker 1: in it. You know of those little guys. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you some of the guys. That's the next level
Speaker 1: really different times. Well, it's like, you know, it's dark
Speaker 1: chocolate kind of you know, high end peanut butter. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I ate one of them. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be kidding me. This is like that when
Speaker 1: I was like ate and ate my first recent cup
Speaker 1: or something. You know, I was like, how the how
Speaker 1: the recent cups used to taste like real? Exactly exactly?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So how about that that that brings home some chocolate?
Speaker 3: You pop open a.
Speaker 4: Bottle of wine. And it turned out to be a
Speaker 4: nice evening.
Speaker 1: And guess where well I won't even get into the
Speaker 1: ins and outs of it, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He wasn't there, but I heard it went well, guy
Speaker 1: living downstairs, it was awesome. So what about buying let's
Speaker 1: talk about buying protection plans. Everybody's going to buy electronics
Speaker 1: and whatnot.
Speaker 4: A lot of people unger about that.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people bought electronics this weekend, that
Speaker 6: Amazon big deal October days, so.
Speaker 3: A lot of people bought stuff. The real purchasing time,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 6: Is November, around Black Friday. We're gonna be getting iPads, laptops,
Speaker 6: new xboxes, PlayStations. There's Giant TVs seventy five inch TV
Speaker 6: and when you buy it, they're gonna say, hey, do
Speaker 6: you want to spend an extra twenty five bucks in
Speaker 6: the protection plan? Because that's what they do. You know,
Speaker 6: they offer that protection plan. The question is do you
Speaker 6: buy it or do you not buy it? And a
Speaker 6: good question and we looked into it and it's fascinating.
Speaker 6: They say on an inexpensive item, no, because you can
Speaker 6: throw it away, like you know, those those slow cookers
Speaker 6: and pressure pots for like forty bucks. You know, don't
Speaker 6: get a protection plan with that. What are you gonna
Speaker 6: do get it repaired? You're not gonna repair a slow
Speaker 6: cookers that you got for twenty five dollars. You're just
Speaker 6: wasting your money buying buying it on that on those
Speaker 6: little kitchen gadgets.
Speaker 3: Now you throw it away.
Speaker 6: If it breaks in a year, no big deal. Basically,
Speaker 6: anything over several hundred dollars kind of a smart move
Speaker 6: because if it breaks, you want to get it fixed
Speaker 6: and want to get it taken care of. So you
Speaker 6: know you're getting a TV, why not. You know you're
Speaker 6: getting an Xbox, why not? But here's the thing you
Speaker 6: have to see where you get it fixed. Because if
Speaker 6: you're getting a laptop for yourself or an Xbox for
Speaker 6: your kid, the last thing you want to do is
Speaker 6: have to ship that off to be repaired. And it's like, yeah, kid,
Speaker 6: I got this protection plan, but we're taking your Xbox
Speaker 6: for like a month and shipping it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah ship it, yeah it.
Speaker 3: And shipping Yeah. So you better ask them.
Speaker 6: You need to ask those questions on how is it
Speaker 6: going to get fixed, because in that case, you may
Speaker 6: just want to skip it. You may want to say,
Speaker 6: you know what, if this thing breaks, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just going to go to the local you know, go.
Speaker 6: To Best Buy, the geek squad, or go to a
Speaker 6: local laptop repair shop. There's a bunch of those you
Speaker 6: got you break it, I fix it, I break it,
Speaker 6: you fix it whatever it's called. You know that telephone
Speaker 6: pair company, they do a lot of yeah break because
Speaker 6: no one thinks is that you got that place. We
Speaker 6: even went to a laptop a pair of shop up
Speaker 6: at Clifton and the guy says, by U see, and
Speaker 6: he's been there forever and he said, yeah. You know,
Speaker 6: people say my laptop broke and I'm gonna have a
Speaker 6: protection plan. I gotta ship it off for two weeks.
Speaker 6: It's like, that's a laptop. You need that sucker tomorrow.
Speaker 6: So that's why he said, I tell people, don't buy it.
Speaker 6: You know your laptop breaks, come here, you know, for
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty five bucks, I'll fix it. You
Speaker 6: have it, You have it back in like five hours.
Speaker 1: Now, what's the deal with it?
Speaker 2: By the way, I never buy protection plan other than
Speaker 2: a car, I never get them. But but do you
Speaker 2: have to remember where you kept the receipt and all that,
Speaker 2: because that's why I always worry about I'm I can
Speaker 2: remember where that's where they get you.
Speaker 6: Yep, that think about that. Think about you buy a
Speaker 6: laptop or you buy a soundbar, because my soundbar is
Speaker 6: not working for my TV. So that that that sucks
Speaker 6: right now And it's like I can't find the seat
Speaker 6: for it. I think I bought it Best Buy, maybe
Speaker 6: I got an Amazon.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like five years old. It's not working.
Speaker 6: And you know, if I had paid for that protection
Speaker 6: plan for thirty bucks, I'd be so ol because I
Speaker 6: don't know where I bought it or what I paid
Speaker 6: for it. And I certainly can't find the receipt.
Speaker 1: Our consumer protection guy is just like us. He just
Speaker 1: throws a receipt someplace. I remember where that's at.
Speaker 6: Your local consumer reporter loses his receipts. Yeah, there's our
Speaker 6: top story.
Speaker 3: And I have a great weekend. And as I always say,
Speaker 3: don't waste.
Speaker 1: Your money, all right, thanks Johnny, And yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: true because I do that every time. Man, I'm sure
Speaker 1: this sounds like you do too. You buy something, you go, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to save this receipt, so I put it
Speaker 1: someplace and I usually put and then I'll come back
Speaker 1: to look for it. I was like, I usually put
Speaker 1: that stuff right here in this drawer.
Speaker 2: And I got a car title at home I can't find, okay,
Speaker 2: And that's where we're at, all right, It's somewhere in
Speaker 2: the house. But I don't know where, and that's that's
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I I I thought.
Speaker 2: Of me buying a protection plan and remembering where I
Speaker 2: put it, and it happened.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 1: Coming up next, we're gonna be talking to our good
Speaker 1: friend Dave had Her and talk about all things paranoia
Speaker 1: as far as and it's it's getting weirder and weirder
Speaker 1: out there, folks. We're gonna be talking to Dave about
Speaker 1: it after the news right now, news Radio seven hundred
Speaker 1: w Lwright Bag with that young Rockey and Rock. This
Speaker 1: guy right here is like a computer virus.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I think that everywhere he's on television now, I mean
Speaker 1: like on every channel, and I see news stations interviewing
Speaker 1: the guy. He's on with us all the time. He's
Speaker 1: on like every radio station in town. I'm fun to
Speaker 1: wonder or is it really him or it's just an
Speaker 1: AI generated bot of him? Could be good point. You
Speaker 1: are Dave's hatter, right, the real one.
Speaker 5: You know. Guys in the old days, you'd say is
Speaker 5: it live or is it limericks? I know you know
Speaker 5: what I'm talking about it? And now is it live?
Speaker 5: Is it a bot? Who knows? I'll let you, guys
Speaker 5: decide if it's or not.
Speaker 1: You're always talking about. All you need is whatever twenty
Speaker 1: seconds of somebody talking and you can recreate them. But
Speaker 1: that's why, that's my point. You're all over every media,
Speaker 1: so we've got lots to draw on.
Speaker 5: Despite a face for radio, right, Eddie, you know it's amazing.
Speaker 5: I don't know how I was really learned to be
Speaker 5: on TV.
Speaker 1: For me, Well, well let's get to the we won't
Speaker 1: even discuss that day anyways. Let's talk about some of
Speaker 1: the stuff you've been You're always sending to stuff. What's
Speaker 1: this thing with the with the meta and and and
Speaker 1: advertising and whatnot? What's going on there?
Speaker 5: Well, guys, as a reminder, you know, if you think
Speaker 5: about it, what can meta sell you? And the answer
Speaker 5: is really not much, right, whether it's what's app, Instagram, Facebook,
Speaker 5: or other platforms they have for the most part, you
Speaker 5: are their product, not their customer. You're not paying with money,
Speaker 5: you're paying with data. And this is yet another example
Speaker 5: where so they've rolled out some AI tools on these
Speaker 5: platforms in some cases in a way where it's kind
Speaker 5: of difficult to op out. And now, of course they said,
Speaker 5: if you've used those things. They're going to take the
Speaker 5: data achievator in these AI tools, the prompting you've done
Speaker 5: and so forth, and they're going to use it to
Speaker 5: schlep more stuff to you. I mean, it's not surprising
Speaker 5: to me. Again, that's their whole business model for the
Speaker 5: most part, is trying to figure out how to capture
Speaker 5: as much data from you, keep you on their platforms
Speaker 5: as well as possible, and then figure out how to
Speaker 5: monetize that. So I'm not saying it's nefarious necessary, it's just.
Speaker 4: The way they work.
Speaker 5: But it's one of the reasons why in general, I
Speaker 5: try to avoid meta as much as I can. Again,
Speaker 5: the parent company of Facebook, Instagram, what's happened on us?
Speaker 5: So it's kind of typical. Did you guys, I don't
Speaker 5: know if I sent you along these same lines, if
Speaker 5: the Samsung refrigerator story, did you get that?
Speaker 1: I don't believe I got that one in that.
Speaker 5: All right, Well here's a hot one for you. So
Speaker 5: you know, we've talked about the Internet of things many times,
Speaker 5: so called smart devices, ring doorbells, nest thumb stets, et cetera.
Speaker 5: So Samsung just put out a big announcement you guys
Speaker 5: are going to love this. You go out, you spend
Speaker 5: two grand, four grand on a refrigerator, right, so called
Speaker 5: smart refrigerator. Now, the first question is what do you
Speaker 5: need a smart refrigerator for? Well, conveniently, you know, they
Speaker 5: got a big screen on the front. And now Samsung
Speaker 5: has announced that even though you have paid for this
Speaker 5: refrigerator with your heart owned money, it's sitting in your house.
Speaker 5: If you cann't gave Babby up to the internet, it's
Speaker 5: going to put ads on the refrigerator, kind of like
Speaker 5: the dribble that comes out of the gas pump while
Speaker 5: you're pumping your gas?
Speaker 4: Is that not awesome?
Speaker 6: For a while?
Speaker 1: Why would anybody want that?
Speaker 5: You got me, brother. But what's even better is think
Speaker 5: about how awesome it would be if you're a refrigerator
Speaker 5: under the guise of saving you by figuring out what
Speaker 5: you're buying and eating and so forth, scanning the bar
Speaker 5: codes off your products can drop the dime to your
Speaker 5: insurance company on you that you know you ate like
Speaker 5: six pounds of bacon, p jars and mayo and drank
Speaker 5: a taste of beer each day last week. How oftome
Speaker 5: is that going to be? When your insurance company gets there,
Speaker 5: you know, and your premium suddenly girk career for you
Speaker 5: can't get insurance, and then all the while you can
Speaker 5: you can get you some good ads served up to
Speaker 5: the refrigerator that you thought you owned in your own house.
Speaker 5: That's not a brave New World away.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. I mean, yeah, first of all, I can
Speaker 2: see it. It's like, yeah, that reports. Man, these guys
Speaker 2: haven't bought a vegetable in years. But I guess I
Speaker 2: could almost see that. I could see a lot of people,
Speaker 2: honestly did making the trade off of Okay, I'll take
Speaker 2: a thing given ads, but I want to I want
Speaker 2: some money off the refrigerator, or I want them to
Speaker 2: you know, something like that. But this just gives you
Speaker 2: ads and and nothing back.
Speaker 5: Right well, as far as I know this, this announcement just
Speaker 5: came out, and will see how this goes, because you know, guys,
Speaker 5: I just said this. I was doing a presentation earlier
Speaker 5: today to a pretty good sized group of people. I'm like,
Speaker 5: are there some investors in the audience, and can we
Speaker 5: start a company making dumb machines instead of you know,
Speaker 5: your smart coffee maker, your smart TV cetter, can we
Speaker 5: just get back to like, you know, a company that
Speaker 5: makes a dumb refrigerator and a dumb dryer and a
Speaker 5: dumb washing machine. You know, because I don't want any
Speaker 5: of this stuff, not the least of which because of
Speaker 5: the advertising, but because this stuff is a giant security
Speaker 5: and privacy dumpster buyer. You know, if you buy a
Speaker 5: smart device today, it's got software in it, even if
Speaker 5: you know how to set it up right, even if
Speaker 5: it gets automatic software updates. In most cases, most of
Speaker 5: these companies won't make a product go into life when
Speaker 5: they make a new product in a couple of years.
Speaker 5: So now you have a security vulnerability. You know, we
Speaker 5: talk all the time that you got update your Windows,
Speaker 5: you got update travel phones. You think that's smart call.
Speaker 5: You think your mister coffee maker from three years ago
Speaker 5: is still getting updates from the mister coffee that's not
Speaker 5: so you know that This is why I hate the
Speaker 5: Internet of things. So these so called smart devices, I'm
Speaker 5: not inherently against them, but you know, the whole marketing
Speaker 5: of it, the whole consumer protection aspect of it, as
Speaker 5: long because they care about speed the market, easy use
Speaker 5: of market share at your expense, right, they don't care
Speaker 5: about your privacy or security, and in fact, whatever possible,
Speaker 5: they are sucking up as much data about you and
Speaker 5: now are going to deluge you with add on devices
Speaker 5: in your house that you bought.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, it's crazy, and you may not know the
Speaker 2: answer to this, Dave. But just as you were describing that,
Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself, I mean, what's something that
Speaker 2: most people have a car?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: In every car now? Is a giant computer? Do they
Speaker 2: make cars or can you? Can I go to Ford
Speaker 2: and say, hey, I want to buy your truck, but
Speaker 2: I don't want any of the computers in it. Or
Speaker 2: is there a brand that makes a computerless car or
Speaker 2: there else? You're just stuff buy a dumb car. Yeah,
Speaker 2: unless you want to buy you buy like a pre
Speaker 2: eighty one car. That's the only way you get something
Speaker 2: doesn't have a computer in it.
Speaker 5: I'm really glad you asked that question, Rockie, because before
Speaker 5: we run out of time, I encourage people. Mozilla, the
Speaker 5: people to make the Firefox browser, which is a privacy
Speaker 5: friendly web browser, and they do some other stuff. Has
Speaker 5: a website called Privacy Not Included, just like it sounds,
Speaker 5: Privacy not Included, and they do all kinds of research
Speaker 5: on these so called smart devices, and they did a
Speaker 5: special expose on modern cars. Every modern car from every
Speaker 5: major manufacturer is basically an Orwellian spy machine. They're sucking
Speaker 5: up all kinds of crazy data about you. They dig
Speaker 5: deep into it. And in fact, in their special report,
Speaker 5: and I'm paraphrasing here, they said something to the effective
Speaker 5: modern cars are the single worst privacy related thing they've
Speaker 5: ever seen. When you go out and rent a car
Speaker 5: and you plug your phone into the entertainment center and
Speaker 5: you let it sync all your texts, all your contacts,
Speaker 5: everything just went in that entertainment center. You think they
Speaker 5: clean that out when you bring the car back. And
Speaker 5: studies have been network people have gone to a junk
Speaker 5: yard and bought these bought these OREC cars, and there's
Speaker 5: like sensitive information from people's phones in there. So no,
Speaker 5: as far as I know, there is no such thing
Speaker 5: as a dumb car at this point, unless you buy
Speaker 5: like a I always wanted to Simon and Simon seventy
Speaker 5: eight power wagon with the big railroad tie on the front.
Speaker 5: You know, that's what I need to get something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really think you're stuck with I believe it's
Speaker 2: like nineteen seventy nine. I believe I've read is it
Speaker 2: that that's like guarantee you if it's a seventy nine
Speaker 2: or or older, there's no computer. And now maybe that
Speaker 2: date is wrong, but yeah, you're stuck buying an older car.
Speaker 5: Carburetors and points man, you know, because the other problem
Speaker 5: with all this, besides the fact that the surveillance is
Speaker 5: now just like that refrigerator, you're getting into a space
Speaker 5: where more and more modern manufacturers are essentially giving you
Speaker 5: a freemium model. You think you've bought a car and
Speaker 5: you've paid for it and it's your car. But oh wait,
Speaker 5: that feature you want, like you'd like to be able
Speaker 5: to connect your phone to the radio so that you
Speaker 5: can play a podcast or whatever as you want to do.
Speaker 5: Oh no, that that costs extra. You have to sign
Speaker 5: up from subscription altho its heated seats. Now you're your
Speaker 5: ear is gonna have to be cold this winter unless
Speaker 5: you want to heat up their bank account with a subscription.
Speaker 5: I mean it, It is completely insane. And until consumers
Speaker 5: say enough is enough of this stuff and stop buying
Speaker 5: this garbage and or just say you know what, I
Speaker 5: guess I won't get heated seats because I'm not going
Speaker 5: to pay your subscription fee. I don't know how this stops,
Speaker 5: because you know, guys, I get some of these things
Speaker 5: have a very whiz bang kind of you know, coolness
Speaker 5: to them. Some of these things bring a lot of
Speaker 5: convenience and make your life better in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, we are increasingly adding to
Speaker 5: our risks through the security capability as a lack of
Speaker 5: security rather these things, and then the privacy and now
Speaker 5: the subscription angle. Well, yeah, here's a bunch of features,
Speaker 5: but you only get half of them. If you want
Speaker 5: the rest, you're gonna have to pay us everyone. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna agree to that myself. And if I
Speaker 5: got to go back and get a car from the
Speaker 5: sixties or something, I will just out of principle because
Speaker 5: I I'm just that hard headed.
Speaker 1: Well, i mean, where where does it end?
Speaker 3: Is going to be?
Speaker 1: Okay, in about April, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna want
Speaker 1: to start to have air conditioning again, So I'll pay
Speaker 1: for my AC from April to you know, October, and
Speaker 1: then October to you know March. Okay, I'll take the
Speaker 1: heat it's.
Speaker 5: Well, Google, Peddie, what's your bid is? Well, let's see
Speaker 5: if you want to have your temperature below seventy three,
Speaker 5: that's going to cost extra, you know, or something like that.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, exactly right, that's.
Speaker 5: An extra feed for you. Yeah, and that's sick.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I always hate to be the guy that sounds like
Speaker 5: a lot. I don't here because again, my whole career
Speaker 5: has been based around this. I spent most of my
Speaker 5: career as a software engineer making this stuff, which now
Speaker 5: I regret to some extent. To be honest, I'm not
Speaker 5: necessarily against this stuff. I'm against the fact that as
Speaker 5: this moves forward and the for the consumer seem to
Speaker 5: always be wrong, we are just getting into a realm
Speaker 5: of increasingly crazy stuff. And I'm not going to pay
Speaker 5: a subscription fee for all of this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 5: I understand why these companies wanted because now instead of
Speaker 5: a one time sale and you know, maybe you don't
Speaker 5: replace this piece of equipment for fifteen years, you get
Speaker 5: a sale and now you have to pay a monthly fee.
Speaker 5: So I understand their perspective. I just refuse to participate
Speaker 5: in that myself. And I'm hoping more consumers will say
Speaker 5: enough is enough of this garbage again. We need to
Speaker 5: we need to pool our money, guys, get some investors
Speaker 5: and make a dumb product company.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, you are right there. It is maddening.
Speaker 2: There's if there you know, things you want now that
Speaker 2: that is the modern just snag is it's a subscription
Speaker 2: based thing. And you know, like like ebook, I like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to you know, for me to
Speaker 2: sit down and read a book. But if I can
Speaker 2: get an audiobook and listen to it, cool, And there's
Speaker 2: these services out there that have that, but none of them,
Speaker 2: like I just I would rather pay more for a
Speaker 2: singular book than have to pay the subscription. And you know,
Speaker 2: you can get a book you want kind of thing,
Speaker 2: but your stock it's like all these things that you
Speaker 2: want you got to pay.
Speaker 1: The subscription sucks.
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 4: I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: I would rather pay more.
Speaker 5: And just get what I want. What I want it
Speaker 5: now I get. You know, if you're a voracious reader.
Speaker 5: I love audiobooks myself, but I eventually camp with my
Speaker 5: Audible subscription for the very reason you get described and
Speaker 5: buying a way folks, if you like audiobooks. Most local
Speaker 5: libraries in this region have an app like Liby. It's
Speaker 5: a free app and you can get free audio if
Speaker 5: you've got to belong to your library right in a
Speaker 5: library card. But you can get free audiobooks in many
Speaker 5: cases that are their library collection usually isn't merely as
Speaker 5: extensive as audible to get a lot of this stuff
Speaker 5: for free if you if you look, I encourage people
Speaker 5: to check that out to call you again. Libby is
Speaker 5: the one I used to the Kenton County Library Libby,
Speaker 5: but most libraries in this area have have something like that,
Speaker 5: and all you need is a library card and then
Speaker 5: you can go in and then it basically, you know,
Speaker 5: just like you go out of the library, check out
Speaker 5: a book, listen to it on your phone, check it
Speaker 5: back in and get another book. It's actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Interesting, cool. All right with with that, Dave, we will
Speaker 1: let you go, Buddy, thanks so much. As always leave
Speaker 1: us scared scared to death, but it's good enough.
Speaker 5: Hey, have a good weekend. Thanks guys, Thanks buddy.
Speaker 1: Our good friend Dave Hatter and Dude, I got to
Speaker 1: tell you the whole time we were talking to him,
Speaker 1: all I was thinking about was my reprigerator talking to
Speaker 1: me like a gas pump at the you know, the whatever,
Speaker 1: the Kroger gas station. Yeah. Remember the first time that
Speaker 1: ever happened to you. I never even paid attention to
Speaker 1: that little TV screen on there. Yeah, the hell is that?
Speaker 1: Who's giving me the weather? Right now? God, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there pumping my you know, I put
Speaker 1: the nozzle in there and I got it on, you know,
Speaker 1: just pumping itself, just looking around, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I hear somebody talking to me, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: keep looking around, like, who's that? Sounds awfully friendly? And
Speaker 1: I look at the pump and there's a little bitty
Speaker 1: guy there talking to me. Yeah. That's going to be
Speaker 1: your fridge, pretty friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's going to tell you, hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, mister fingers, you are out of milk.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, and well, like you said, and then it's
Speaker 1: going to call the authorities on you. Until this guy's
Speaker 1: been you can't even believe how much like well, like
Speaker 1: Dave said, you can't believe how much bacon and beard
Speaker 1: this guy said this week. Yeah, you got to look
Speaker 1: into this. Uh, with that we check it with traffic
Speaker 1: and weather. What is going on?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: And Ron, we've talked about this AI thing and people
Speaker 1: were going to basically falling in love with an AI
Speaker 1: generated man or woman.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and well, first of all online and on
Speaker 2: the internet, the pictures of these women look just indiscernible
Speaker 2: from real and fake. And then we just had that
Speaker 2: actor actress, the fake actress who was her named Telly
Speaker 2: or something that was you know, people were falling in
Speaker 2: love with. It's a really weird concept. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like we're getting closer and closer to the acceptance,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, of people having a relationship with
Speaker 2: a non human.
Speaker 1: It seems out of a sci fi movie. But it
Speaker 1: seems like we're edging closer to that. Well there just
Speaker 1: saw this article the other day. The headline the survey
Speaker 1: one in five Americans believe real romance as possible with
Speaker 1: AI chatbots. Now, if you believe that, I do believe
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with you. But we let's get an
Speaker 1: expert involved. We have doctor Jonathan Thorpie's a relationship expert
Speaker 1: and the CEO of Quantum Connections, doctor Welkomer to the program.
Speaker 4: Petty ROCKI thanks for the invitation.
Speaker 1: So doc are we being you know, sorry, regressive thinking
Speaker 1: that you can't fall in love with a thing that
Speaker 1: doesn't exist? I mean this is crazy to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think so. I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people feel like you do, Eddie. And if you
Speaker 4: think about it, AI is amazing and half of the
Speaker 4: adults in this country admit that they use AI on
Speaker 4: a daily basis, probably more so maybe secretly check it out.
Speaker 4: And if you look at what's going on in society
Speaker 4: right now, how it makes sense? Right, we have more
Speaker 4: social fragmentation than we've ever had. And like the outgoing
Speaker 4: Surgeon General said, he said sixty five years ago, was
Speaker 4: smoking forty five years ago, as nutrition today, it's isolation,
Speaker 4: loneliness and disengagement. So people are looking for alternatives to
Speaker 4: find connection and relationship and in this case love.
Speaker 1: So why are people more isolated? Would you say?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, you know, because you can point
Speaker 2: of politics and how you know they you see on
Speaker 2: on social media apps and things like that. But just
Speaker 2: in your expert opinion, why are people isolating? No one's
Speaker 2: stopping them from leaving their house, No one's stopping a
Speaker 2: young man from asking a girl on a date.
Speaker 3: What is it.
Speaker 4: I think it's mostly a matter of convenience. I think
Speaker 4: people are finding that they can they can find a
Speaker 4: group of people that think or act or vote like
Speaker 4: they do very easily, and it doesn't really require really
Speaker 4: making yourself informed. And this polarization. And I hate to
Speaker 4: blame social media for everything, but social media really is
Speaker 4: starting to disconnect.
Speaker 5: Us better than it is connect us.
Speaker 2: I agree you absolutely now that I think I mean convenience.
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many decisions we make.
Speaker 2: I mean, before you came on, Doc, we had our
Speaker 2: cyber guy on and he's always talking about the dangers
Speaker 2: of you know, of your information getting shared out there
Speaker 2: and sharing passwords and all that stuff. And you know,
Speaker 2: the apps and how many people out there, you know,
Speaker 2: put in their address and you know, and map quest
Speaker 2: it right and boom it comes up on your Well,
Speaker 2: now that thing knows your pathway. But we do it,
Speaker 2: and we almost to ourselves say, ah, hell with it.
Speaker 2: I know someone's probably getting my information, but hell with it.
Speaker 2: It's so convenient that it can just tell me where
Speaker 2: I want to go, right, So you're right. I think
Speaker 2: it's just no matter which way you look at it,
Speaker 2: it's the easiest. It's the path of least resistance that
Speaker 2: we're choosing instead of something that's more authentic.
Speaker 4: You got it. And if you think about what it's
Speaker 4: giving us back AI, in this case, it's giving us
Speaker 4: back a perfect reflection of what we already think and
Speaker 4: feel and know. I mean, it is a perfect mirror.
Speaker 4: It listens, it expands the thinking, and it reflects us.
Speaker 4: And really all it's doing is it's affirming what we
Speaker 4: already believe. And not enough cases does it really stretch
Speaker 4: our thinking or reform our thinking. It really just basically
Speaker 4: repeats it.
Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Jonathan Thorpe and doc one of
Speaker 1: the other parts of this article, there was a study
Speaker 1: eighty percent of gen zers would marry an AI. Now, personally,
Speaker 1: I don't have a moral problem with it. I just
Speaker 1: think that you can do whatever you want as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. But don't you think that's mentally you're
Speaker 1: not well if you think you're married to something that
Speaker 1: doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: This is a really important distinction, and I don't want
Speaker 4: to discredit AI from adding value.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: It's a phenomenal tool, and I'm a relational strategist. I
Speaker 4: help individuals couples, large and small organizations really learn behaviors
Speaker 4: and build stronger relationships. I think if you're talking about
Speaker 4: an individual in a personal diagnosis, then I would really
Speaker 4: roll in the efforts of a clinical professional and say
Speaker 4: there are folks that can talk through those situations if
Speaker 4: you're really going that far with it. But in this
Speaker 4: case it is problematic because human beings we rely on
Speaker 4: an emotional circuit that's really like a give and take loop.
Speaker 4: And if you think about it, at the center of
Speaker 4: the circuit, there's this feeling of being seen and heard
Speaker 4: that we all need. We all have it. Now in
Speaker 4: this circuit, we both give this feeling to other people
Speaker 4: and we take it from other people. Now, when this
Speaker 4: circuits between two people, it operates in both directions. I
Speaker 4: take feelings of being seen and heard from someone else,
Speaker 4: and I can actually give them back, and that satisfies
Speaker 4: both my need for rewards and my need for care.
Speaker 4: It's both pleasure and purpose. But when it happens between
Speaker 4: a human being and a computer or a phone, only
Speaker 4: one side of the circuit works. People take this feeling
Speaker 4: of seen and heard from computers and AI bots, but
Speaker 4: they can't ever give it back and When that happens,
Speaker 4: it's like inhaling and not exhaling, we choke and we
Speaker 4: lose the ability to empathize, and we lose the ability
Speaker 4: to tolerate other viewpoints, and all those things fade and
Speaker 4: we suffer. I think young people, if they go this route,
Speaker 4: will discover in time that it is incredibly hollow existence.
Speaker 4: And I don't think it lasts.
Speaker 2: I think you're right as much as people you know
Speaker 2: will say that got to hate when my wife disagrees
Speaker 2: with me on this. The alternative is as a computer
Speaker 2: or a bot that agrees with everything you say. And
Speaker 2: it sounds wonderful, but it's not at all, because yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not. There's no growth there, right, you got it.
Speaker 4: Growth is a great word for it, and we need it.
Speaker 4: We need it to find purpose that we're actually evolving
Speaker 4: over time and actually learning things. If we don't, we stagnate,
Speaker 4: and I think that's really probably the beginning of the
Speaker 4: end of a meaningful life.
Speaker 7: Doc.
Speaker 2: I keep going back to your word convenience, because in
Speaker 2: my head, I'm thinking, look, since the beginning of time,
Speaker 2: you know, there's been you know, teenage boys that are
Speaker 2: shy and nervous, and they don't want to ask a
Speaker 2: girl because they're scared of rejection. But eventually you get
Speaker 2: to the point where you're like, you know, hell, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna do it because there are also I'm going
Speaker 2: to be a lonely sob here. But now it's like
Speaker 2: you're creeping into the world where you don't really have
Speaker 2: to face dejection or rejection or any of that. If
Speaker 2: I can get it's not as good as like a
Speaker 2: you know, in this case, a real woman, but if
Speaker 2: this thing interacts with me and you know, and I
Speaker 2: don't get it there the rejection side of it, it's
Speaker 2: not as great, but it's it's decent enough. Is that
Speaker 2: kind of the decision that you know in the dating
Speaker 2: world that young men are making.
Speaker 4: It is, And I like the position this way. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of value in it.
Speaker 5: If you use a tool like this as.
Speaker 4: A rehearsal platform, if you want to practice dialogue, if
Speaker 4: you want to practice some strategies and some things to say,
Speaker 4: it's functional. But as soon as it moves from rehearsal
Speaker 4: to replacement, that's when these young kids are going to
Speaker 4: lose all of these engagement skills, the ability to actually
Speaker 4: take a risk and be emotionally vulnerable, which we're seeing
Speaker 4: a lot of young people these days not have that
Speaker 4: capacity to do.
Speaker 1: Doctor Jonathan Thorpe is our guest, and you know, Doctor,
Speaker 1: one of the things that you hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head one of the most common things. And Rocky
Speaker 1: and I've had guests so I'm talking about it before,
Speaker 1: is that this whole fear of rejection thing has people
Speaker 1: like I mean, and you guys both have said use
Speaker 1: the word convenience. Well, I don't want to get my
Speaker 1: feelings hurt, so it's just easier to talk to this
Speaker 1: thing that's really you know, I'm talking to a ten.
Speaker 1: She's sitting there telling me how cool I am and
Speaker 1: how hot I am. And she's a beautiful woman telling
Speaker 1: me how cool I am. It doesn't matter this she
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. But at least I didn't have to ask
Speaker 1: the head cheerleader if she wanted to go to problem
Speaker 1: with me. You know what I'm saying, it's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope we can cultivate this desire and need
Speaker 4: for risk taking. I think without it we'll be come synthetic, right,
Speaker 4: and we don't we miss out on what life has
Speaker 4: to offer. We we as humans we love because time
Speaker 4: runs out and AI has no stakes in the game.
Speaker 4: It's endlessly available, so love thumb AI is therefore waitless
Speaker 4: and worthless. If you were to ask me, so, what is.
Speaker 2: Your suggestion how do you get people? And I'll say
Speaker 2: younger people, but it's it's all people you can I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's elderly people that would also don't like rejection.
Speaker 1: But so what do you coach people to do?
Speaker 2: What what's your advice on how to Hey, don't take
Speaker 2: the convenient route here, go through the one that's a
Speaker 2: little harder, but it's going to be more rewarding.
Speaker 1: How do you express that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I like to offer is maybe not a wholesale rejection
Speaker 4: of AI, but maybe a blended strategy. Right, So, if
Speaker 4: I say, continue to use AI if you think it's helpful,
Speaker 4: use it as a rehearsal platform, not a replacement for
Speaker 4: human interaction. And when you get on AI, don't just
Speaker 4: look for validation of what you already think. Stretch AI
Speaker 4: and say, hey, not do you agree with me? But
Speaker 4: what might I be missing in this exchange? Or can
Speaker 4: you help me see the other side of what someone
Speaker 4: else might offer?
Speaker 3: In practice?
Speaker 4: Maybe embedding some emotion in AI when you write in say,
Speaker 4: how could I word this with more compassion? Or what
Speaker 4: might someone feel if they were to hear me say
Speaker 4: this and really invite AI to become more human than
Speaker 4: just a flat answer or a confirmation of what you
Speaker 4: think you already know. It's here to stay. I think
Speaker 4: it'd be wrong of us to say I wish you
Speaker 4: wouldn't use AI, because you know, as soon as we
Speaker 4: write a description of all the things AI can't do today,
Speaker 4: it's only a matter of time before someone smart enough
Speaker 4: writes that into AI, and in two three four years now,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, AI can do that too. We
Speaker 4: have to expect going to evolve and.
Speaker 1: Improve rise to talk you out of breaking up with it,
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, Uh, with the with that, doctor Jonathan Thorpe,
Speaker 1: we will let you go a great conversation. Uh, people
Speaker 1: want to find out more about you? Where can they go?
Speaker 4: Please check us out on Quantum Connections dot com and
Speaker 4: learn more.
Speaker 1: Doctor's great.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Hendy Rocket, Thanks but.
Speaker 1: Thanks, yeah, great conversation.
Speaker 2: And I mean people will always take the path of
Speaker 2: least resistance, right like it's it's it's the athlete that
Speaker 2: you will choose to go the easy way and not
Speaker 2: wake up early and lift the weights and do all that.
Speaker 2: If I can get there an easier way, I'm going
Speaker 2: to do it. And and now, odd to say, in
Speaker 2: the relationship world, there's that possibility exists.
Speaker 1: It really well, well, it's like I've told that story
Speaker 1: on the show before. I went to my five year
Speaker 1: class reunion and the girl that I always had the
Speaker 1: big crush on, who was super popular and super cute
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and we were talking and it
Speaker 1: was one of those both of us had you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of cocktails, and I go, oh, man, I
Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you, well, but you know I
Speaker 1: was me and you were you, and you know I
Speaker 1: wish you would have because I always I always liked you.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there going stupid, start getting myself upside
Speaker 1: the head, right, and.
Speaker 2: You're telling Dad go ahead and just pull the pull
Speaker 2: the car around, or you can go head back to
Speaker 2: the hotel, right right, just yeah, Well take your shot.
Speaker 1: I tell you, well, see that wasn't there. That was
Speaker 1: my thing, man, you had it. And actually, anyway, let's
Speaker 1: go to traffic and weather before I really get myself
Speaker 1: in trouble here with Rock.
Speaker 4: And Rock.
Speaker 1: Here we are three weeks from the day Halloween.
Speaker 2: Dad, you got your costume, you got your slutty nurse
Speaker 2: outfit ready to go ed.
Speaker 1: That was the last Shuk working on the same new one.
Speaker 1: What you you know in typical you know, life form.
Speaker 1: She she, I think they have a work I think
Speaker 1: it's a work thing that they're doing. And last year,
Speaker 1: she you know, did like she put in like she
Speaker 1: bought some fake vampire you know those vampire teeth you cane, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know at the CBS, of course, cheap plastic ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like seventy five cents and like, okay, I'm a vampire man.
Speaker 1: And people gave her so much crap about it. She
Speaker 1: was like, this year, I'm going to dress up. So
Speaker 1: she uh, she's going to dress as a hippie, and
Speaker 1: she went out, of course, you don't make up your
Speaker 1: own costume, that's too right now. She bought it on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Oh god, and it's some kind of well, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's bought on Amazon, and it costs about twelve dollars,
Speaker 1: and it's crummy sunglasses and a cheap wig and some
Speaker 1: kind of mini skirt outfit or whatnot.
Speaker 2: Naturally, you're I think a good outfit for who would
Speaker 2: be at Elvira. I think Dad would make a good Elvira.
Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean she's got the you know, give
Speaker 2: me your care.
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago. Okay, see, I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: to go as megabraina brain. I name myself Megabrain, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up with an outfit that fits
Speaker 1: that name. Loves that one. Oh well, I've been calling
Speaker 1: myself that for the last two days and she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: mega brain. I am Mega brain. Uh coming up best?
Speaker 1: Speaking of Halloween, we're going to talk about the ghost tours.
Speaker 1: We always love talking to this lady. Yeah, it's always
Speaker 1: great to talk about.
Speaker 2: I mean, Cincinnati has like a pre pretty cool history
Speaker 2: of ghosts and goblins and things that happened back in
Speaker 2: its earlier times that are some pretty cool and frightful experiences.
Speaker 1: Our good friend Miranda from American Legacy Tours is going
Speaker 1: to join us see what you can find out about
Speaker 1: the ghosts of Cincinnati. But that's after the news right
Speaker 1: now News Radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See we tell you about how things Hall of Weed
Speaker 1: Rocket It was like a like a rock DJ slash.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, h slash Rocky horror picture show slash,
Speaker 1: you know, not a good version of that? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but but rock. You know, this time of year you
Speaker 1: got to get into the conversation about ghosts and goblins.
Speaker 1: And let's not talk about you when you're when you
Speaker 1: were doing mushrooms and thought you saw a ghost motorcycle
Speaker 1: fly over your head Oxford light, it's real, real, damn
Speaker 1: it telling you. Let's save that for another day. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk to a person who has seen real ghost rock.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm enjoining us on the show right now. Miranda McGee,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Ghost Tours. Miranda, Welcome to the program. How are you?
Speaker 8: It's so coozy, guy, I was just doing a bunch
Speaker 8: of mushrooms, but I'm ready now.
Speaker 1: Does that help me? Does that help the ghost experience.
Speaker 5: In your.
Speaker 8: It makes a very visceral it's a very visceral experience
Speaker 8: when you're also online ls and that is not as
Speaker 8: part of our tours. We do not offer llosy along
Speaker 8: with American like toys.
Speaker 3: That's not what we do.
Speaker 8: Just so you know, I'm going to get in trouble
Speaker 8: with you guys.
Speaker 1: See you can tell she's doing mushrooms. You hear Miranda's
Speaker 1: accent there, She's actually from Price Hill.
Speaker 8: This is my mushroom accent. It happens every time I
Speaker 8: do mushrooms.
Speaker 4: It's so weird.
Speaker 8: And then if you guys call called me an hour earlier,
Speaker 8: I would have been like, well, hey guys, what's up,
Speaker 8: what's happening? But now I'm on mushrooms.
Speaker 2: Good there.
Speaker 1: That was great American Legacy tours. And now you guys
Speaker 1: do these ghost tours every year, Miranda, and I've known
Speaker 1: Miranda for a minute, and every year you're always talking
Speaker 1: about how cool these things are. And every year you're
Speaker 1: always talking about how you get the scared out of you.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, and then I have to take mushrooms. I
Speaker 8: know I'm done. I'm done with the mushrooms. That is,
Speaker 8: we're telling with that job. Yes, we do these toys
Speaker 8: every year. This year we have us six offerings ghost experiences,
Speaker 8: and I think what makes them really unique is that
Speaker 8: the historical wanted walking tours. So they're not ghost they're
Speaker 8: not be your toys. Nobody's jumping out at you. But
Speaker 8: if you love ghosts, then we give you all this equipment.
Speaker 8: So you have em f readers and a spirit bar
Speaker 8: and difining rods. If you don't like ghosts, then you
Speaker 8: get all the crazy history of like the serial killers
Speaker 8: in the area, grave robbing, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 8: So either way, I think this sort of something for everybody.
Speaker 8: And because we're local, we get to go into a
Speaker 8: lot of places that other tour companies who are out
Speaker 8: of towners do not get to go into, which is
Speaker 8: really cool.
Speaker 2: All Right, So Miranda, explain, give us a story of
Speaker 2: a prolific what serial killer and Cincinnati, and then there's
Speaker 2: a tour of it.
Speaker 1: Now, kind of give us the history and take us
Speaker 1: through a little bit of the story.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 8: I love that you guess life it's like picture serial killer.
Speaker 8: I'm like, really, they're actually really hard a lot. Ohio
Speaker 8: is the number one state in the nation for having
Speaker 8: serial killers born here or have passed through here, which
Speaker 8: is I think is really interesting. But I think the
Speaker 8: one that really fascinates me is the Cincinnati Strangler, which
Speaker 8: we deal with a lot on our Clifton It's Haunted
Speaker 8: tour and one of the saddest deaths of the Cincinnati Strangler.
Speaker 8: He was around in the sixties and he murdered seven women,
Speaker 8: and one of them he murdered late at night in Clifton.
Speaker 8: And the only reason she was up late at night
Speaker 8: is she got up and she went to Good sam
Speaker 8: to pick up her daughter, who was the nurse there,
Speaker 8: and she wanted to make sure she got home safely
Speaker 8: because she was worried about the Cincinnati strangler being out
Speaker 8: and about. So she delivers her daughter home safely, goes
Speaker 8: back to her house where a strangler was rating waiting
Speaker 8: out the back of her garage, dragged her out behind
Speaker 8: the garage and strangled her with her own stocking. Wow,
Speaker 8: I know you guys play actually they yeah, it was
Speaker 8: that was that was a bad day. And the person
Speaker 8: accused of being the Cincinnati strangler I do not think
Speaker 8: was the Cincinnati strangler. So technically he could actually still
Speaker 8: be alive, Wow, and living in the area and just
Speaker 8: stopped killing people.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, Marianda, when a're we talking here what
Speaker 1: time frame?
Speaker 8: But this was this is in the sixties, so he
Speaker 8: could he was a young man back then and he
Speaker 8: had to be. So the man accused of doing it
Speaker 8: was Postil Laski Jr. Who was a young black man
Speaker 8: who did murder someone, admittedly, but he murdered her. He
Speaker 8: attempted to murder her in the middle of the day
Speaker 8: by stabbing her and running over her with the cabs.
Speaker 8: Barbara Bowman, and then he was accused of all the
Speaker 8: strangler deaths, which were all done exactly the same way.
Speaker 8: These women were assaulted and strangled with articles of their
Speaker 8: own clothing, and that murder was so different from the others.
Speaker 8: The detective on the case even said, he said, this
Speaker 8: is so not like the other murders. I don't know
Speaker 8: why you're pinning it on this guy. And this guy
Speaker 8: protested his innocence his whole life postill LASTI jr. The
Speaker 8: only reason they pinted on him was because the murders
Speaker 8: stopped after he got arrested. Oh wow, so I got
Speaker 8: really I got really deep.
Speaker 2: Right, So what is the ghost aspect of this? Is
Speaker 2: this the assume the victims that are around and stuff
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so the Clifton tour is interesting. We actually go
Speaker 8: and we tell you all these stories. There are some
Speaker 8: places in Burnout Woods because there was another woman murdered
Speaker 8: in Burnout Woods and there is a place with no
Speaker 8: electricity whatsoever. And when we go there, which is where
Speaker 8: this woman was strangled. All the ghost monitors light up
Speaker 8: to red and everything starts beeping and going off, even
Speaker 8: though there's no electricity. There's no reason they should be
Speaker 8: going off whatsoever. And it's all in this same place
Speaker 8: where this woman was murded. So that is sort of
Speaker 8: the ghost aspect there. We also get to go into
Speaker 8: I'm not even a lot of allowed to tell you
Speaker 8: where we go because it's the secret. But we were
Speaker 8: in there at midnight the other night because that was
Speaker 8: the only time we had to like check it out,
Speaker 8: and we turned off our flashlights and we were standing
Speaker 8: there and the place is lit by a lamp from
Speaker 8: the street, and all of a sudden, all our ghost
Speaker 8: monitors went off, and a shadow passed through the room,
Speaker 8: blacking out the light from the street lamp for a second,
Speaker 8: and then just like walked right through. And that's when
Speaker 8: I was like, we should leave. And that's like people
Speaker 8: sign waivers us.
Speaker 1: No my son. We you know Miranda through our through
Speaker 1: our son, through the acting community. And Miranda my son
Speaker 1: was talking about talking to you the other day. Jack
Speaker 1: was saying that he wanted to go on a ghost
Speaker 1: tour with you, and you said you don't want to
Speaker 1: go with me because I get too scared.
Speaker 8: Y'all, Eddie Rock you guys, You guys do not want
Speaker 8: to come on with me on a ghost tour.
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 8: I'm legit scared during the ghost tour and if anything happens,
Speaker 8: there's a very good chance that I would just leave.
Speaker 8: I would. That's why my bosses have been like, well, Miranda,
Speaker 8: why don't you do all the media. You can go
Speaker 8: on the news, you can talk to like everybody on radio,
Speaker 8: and we won't make you do a ghost tour anymore.
Speaker 8: Although you know what I do miss is I do
Speaker 8: tend to lose ten pounds this time of year out
Speaker 8: of fear, and so I'm going to miss that little
Speaker 8: weight loss coming to.
Speaker 1: You from Miranda McGhee.
Speaker 2: It's it's not the Keto diet, not the yeah diet,
Speaker 2: Halloween diet.
Speaker 8: That's what I say, you guys. I'm like, it's not
Speaker 8: our zombic it's the ah.
Speaker 4: It'll do it interesting.
Speaker 2: So so Marina, if you could, could you share and
Speaker 2: maybe it was that one, but your most visceral ghost
Speaker 2: or spirit experience.
Speaker 8: I can absolutely do that for you guys. And I
Speaker 8: get scared when I say it, but it's sorry to
Speaker 8: stay right now. If you called me at night then
Speaker 8: I would be like, oh God, tell this story right now.
Speaker 8: So have you guys ever been to the Newport Syndicate.
Speaker 3: Over in Newport?
Speaker 1: You know it's it's I know where it's at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been by there. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So we we used to start our Gangster tour from
Speaker 8: there and to syndicate, and we still talk about the
Speaker 8: Syndicate on our Newport tour. We also also get to
Speaker 8: go into Mansion Hill taven this year and do a
Speaker 8: mini investigation, which is such a cool place if you
Speaker 8: haven't been, it's like the Blues capital of like this
Speaker 8: little area. It's like, it's amazing, Brian, it's done great work.
Speaker 8: Anyway you bought syndicates. It used to be owned by
Speaker 8: a gangster called Peach Schmidt and he skinned somebody alive
Speaker 8: in the kitchens. The kitchens that they still used today.
Speaker 8: Apparently they do lovely events like weddings and things like that.
Speaker 8: And that guy has been seen. He's a tall, thin
Speaker 8: man in a dark suit with a thin mustache. He's
Speaker 8: been seen by multiple waitresses people working there. They keep
Speaker 8: seeing him around because obviously when you die, that horrifically.
Speaker 8: It probably sort of traps your spirit. I'd heard about him,
Speaker 8: and one time at the start of our gangster tour,
Speaker 8: I just jumped into the syndicates to use their restroom,
Speaker 8: and the janitor let me in and he's like, Hey,
Speaker 8: nobody else is in the building right now, but sure
Speaker 8: use the restroom. The door a lock on your way out.
Speaker 8: I'm going to go back into the jeweling piano bar
Speaker 8: and keep working away. I was like, great, I'm in
Speaker 8: the restroom in a stall and suddenly the door opens
Speaker 8: to the restroom and the lights go out, and I
Speaker 8: was like, ah, excuse, like there's somebody in here. There's
Speaker 8: a pause, and then there's footsteps, heavy footsteps that cross
Speaker 8: across the floor until something is standing right in front
Speaker 8: of the stole. And I'm a tool guide. I always
Speaker 8: have a flashlight on me, so I pull out my
Speaker 8: flashlights flick it on. There's men shoes standing on the
Speaker 8: other side of the stole door. They were like old
Speaker 8: timey shoes, like wingtips eyes what I think they're called.
Speaker 8: And as I turn my flashlight on the shoes, they
Speaker 8: kind of shift back and forth a little, as if
Speaker 8: this guy's deciding what to do, and then they step
Speaker 8: backwards out of the light. I'm terrified. This is like
Speaker 8: one of the scariest moments of my life. I gather
Speaker 8: myself together. I basically unlock the door to the stole
Speaker 8: at the same time as I kick it open, like
Speaker 8: in Ninja, and then I run through the bathroom to
Speaker 8: outside the restroom. I think I felt something sort of
Speaker 8: grab at my hair, but I was so terrified, I
Speaker 8: don't even know got to the outside of the restroom.
Speaker 8: Now I'm standing in the light. My heart's gitting a
Speaker 8: million miles an hour. After about a minute, I was like,
Speaker 8: I got a check, and so I lean back in.
Speaker 8: I used my elbow to nuts to open the door,
Speaker 8: flick the lights on, look into the restroom.
Speaker 1: Nobody there, nobody there and no one. No one escaped,
Speaker 1: No one got out at all. Right, it couldn't happen.
Speaker 8: No, It's the only exit to the restroom, like you
Speaker 8: would have. It's the only way to get in and
Speaker 8: out of there. And after that, I lost ten.
Speaker 1: Pounds folloween diet.
Speaker 8: Nothing like having a good then. I haven't paid since
Speaker 8: you guys, it's been holding it in the.
Speaker 3: Doing.
Speaker 1: But describe these tours. It's American Legacy Tours Miranda. So
Speaker 1: you've got how many people in a group? How do
Speaker 1: you book this stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 8: So it was really easy to book. Just go online
Speaker 8: to American Legacy Tours dot com and we have fourteen
Speaker 8: different tours. Most of them are history tours or Baseball
Speaker 8: tours or Newpork Gangster tours, and then we have the
Speaker 8: six wanted tours. The groups can be up to We
Speaker 8: try and tap them at around twenty because otherwise it's
Speaker 8: just not as scary, and of varying experiences like Nightmare
Speaker 8: on Elm Street, which I've talked to you guys about
Speaker 8: over the years, where we go thirty feet underground into
Speaker 8: tunnels in the dark and we give you ghost hunting
Speaker 8: equipment and you go off and do your own ghost investigation.
Speaker 8: And then you have things like the New Pool one
Speaker 8: where you're over at Mansion Hill Tavern or Clifton and
Speaker 8: these are all walking tours, so you're walking around with
Speaker 8: a guide who's telling you the sort of crazy haunted
Speaker 8: history of the area. And yeah, no one will be
Speaker 8: jumping out at you. If anybody does jump out at you,
Speaker 8: I always say just follow me because I'll be running
Speaker 8: the fastest anybody in a clown class soon jumps out.
Speaker 8: That's not someone from American Legacy Tours. We do not
Speaker 8: want that person you.
Speaker 1: As the old Joe goes Randa McGhee. It is always
Speaker 1: our play. We just want to have you on someday
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that was one thing you volunteered
Speaker 1: to do one day. Talk about your dating adventures long
Speaker 1: time ago. You've been married, happily married here for two years.
Speaker 1: I went out when you came here.
Speaker 8: I went out with one hundred and fourteen guys within
Speaker 8: a year and a half, and none of them are
Speaker 8: my husband.
Speaker 1: That's a good story right there. That's a have a
Speaker 1: weekly series on that. We appreciate it and we will
Speaker 1: see you soon.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 8: I love talking to you guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you here. She is a
Speaker 1: lovely person, she really is. I mean, you've got to
Speaker 1: meet her in person. She is on the phone.
Speaker 5: You hear.
Speaker 1: She's a qualifier if she will wear you out talking
Speaker 1: to her in person. Bet with that. We check in
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