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Speaker 1: this morning, and I'm so pleased to have him on

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Speaker 1: the morning show, Eric Conroy. He grew up on the

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Speaker 1: West Side, went to Elder High School. I know that

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Speaker 1: pleases my West Side friends. Apparently comes from a military family.

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Speaker 1: His grandfather World War two veteran convincing was the right

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Speaker 1: thing to serve his country and his community. He did so.

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Speaker 1: After nine to eleven, he graduated from the US Air

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Speaker 1: Force Academy near the top of his class a rose

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Speaker 1: to the rank of captain in Special Operations Unit. Then

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Speaker 1: he went on to this CIA as a case officer,

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Speaker 1: and that's what he's going to be talking about tonight

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Speaker 1: for the Empower You America Seminar his time as a

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Speaker 1: CIA case officer. Welcome to the program. It's a real

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on, and thank you for your

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Speaker 1: service for our country. Eric Conroy, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Happy to a lot of my Westside friends are really

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Speaker 1: excited about I hate you. A couple of people actually

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Speaker 1: text me yesterday and say, are you going to be

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Speaker 1: talking to Eric Conroy to Mark because he's doing an

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Speaker 1: Empower You seminar tomorrow and I'm like, okay, I think

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Speaker 1: we are, And of course Joe Strecker lined yup. First,

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Speaker 1: I got a couple of questions for you before we

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Speaker 1: get I want to deal a little bit with your campaign.

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Speaker 1: You're running against Greg Landsman and all my listening audience,

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Speaker 1: at least the vast majority of them are looking for

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Speaker 1: an alternative. So I'm going to give them your campaign website.

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Speaker 1: It's simple, Ericconroy dot com, boom right there, meet the man,

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Speaker 1: meet the issues, learn all about him, and yes, you

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Speaker 1: do have a better alternative to Greg Landsman. Moving over

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Speaker 1: to your time with the CIA, I got a quest

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Speaker 1: and you may take this the wrong way, Eric, I

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Speaker 1: have to ask you during the shutdown which just ended

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Speaker 1: last night, were the members in the CIA and the

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Speaker 1: CIA operations were they being funded or did they have

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Speaker 1: to take a pay freeze?

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Speaker 2: It really depends on what part right. And you're you're dedicated.

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Speaker 2: You're dedicated. People in the field are working and defending

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Speaker 2: this country. So it's not much different than how the

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Speaker 2: military operates in that regard.

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Speaker 1: It's just more covert. And yeah, and while you were

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Speaker 2: Eric, Yeah, Bright, I did some very great work for

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Speaker 2: our country overseas. I defended this country and it's been

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, as a litigation attorney, I'm going to say,

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Speaker 1: move to strike, non responsive. I'm just giving you a

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Speaker 1: the fact of the CIA, all right, moving away. In

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Speaker 1: So what did the job entail? Eric?

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Speaker 2: It is, well, Hey, what the CIA primarily does is

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Speaker 2: That's kind of like being a special journalist, right. You

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Speaker 1: Well, there's that it's human versus sigan. You got signal intelligence,

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, and you know the link that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: It's human intelligence, which means they're using people as sources

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Speaker 2: of information. It's really not much different than being a journalist.

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Speaker 2: Instead of asking about, you know, Joe Burrow's toe, you

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Speaker 1: Doesn't this require the target of your efforts to develop

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Speaker 1: Aren't they in that position aware of people like you

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a people business, right, and it takes

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Speaker 2: it's really not rocket science. If you can build friends

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Speaker 1: How do you hone an awareness skill that you like?

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Speaker 1: For example, there's a double agent concept that person, let's say,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Intelli DI community as a whole.

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Speaker 2: Think of it as like building a jigsaw puzzle, right

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Speaker 2: combined with a bunch of other sources like you mentioned

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Speaker 2: community is to gather information from a range of ways

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Speaker 2: it's really never like a single point of failure. It

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be right. It should be building that nosaic, that

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Speaker 1: Well and to the extent you were able to, And

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Speaker 1: But can you put an illustration together of how this

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to imagine a scenario how you would

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Speaker 1: You know where they're going to be and you show

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Speaker 1: This is I am thoroughly convinced, Eric, and I have

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Speaker 1: one or all. But it seems so obvious to me.

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Speaker 1: We keep spending billions of dollars to keep the UN open,

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Speaker 1: money that we've spent. And the only thing I can

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Speaker 1: conclude is that it's a wonderful source, a resource for

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Speaker 1: that's why we pay the bill. It's a spy operation.

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Speaker 1: Any truth that are you going to dodge that one?

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Speaker 2: Eric, The UN is a radical leftist institution that we

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Speaker 2: maybe consider cutting some funny for, so I'm in that camp.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I'm going to go with a yes

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Speaker 1: Department answer. And now moving over to your campaign, ericconroyd

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Speaker 1: dot com. People get all the information and I hope Eric,

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Speaker 1: what's driving you to run for Congress? Among all these

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Speaker 1: issues transportation, infrastructure, border security, neighborhoods, jobs, economy, what's Eric

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Speaker 1: Conroy's main goal to at once elected to Congress?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Well, I have become concerned and passionate about the

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Speaker 2: economic and social trajectory of this region for some time

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Speaker 2: and believe we need the common sense representative to take

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Speaker 2: it into the future. Right, we just saw our incumbent

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Speaker 2: radical leftist Cronius to gain really very little if any

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Speaker 2: To me, you just just demonstrates that Greg Landsman is

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Speaker 2: not the moderate he claims. It's not the moderate Democrat,

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Speaker 2: he claims, and he is unfit to lead. What we

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Speaker 2: need here is we need a leader to make common

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Speaker 2: sense decisions for this region and I hope to bring

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Speaker 2: that next year. And this is not Great landsman.

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Speaker 1: I agree completely with that. So as we move forward

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Speaker 1: toward the election, hopefully get Eric on. You get to

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Speaker 1: come on the program again. We'll talk about issues as

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Speaker 1: we move forward toward next year.

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Speaker 2: Eric, Yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: That's yes, all right. Got an ask out of Eric

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Speaker 1: Conroy Ericconroy dot com and log in tonight from home

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