WEBVTT - 10-21-25 Sloan with Ken Kober

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<v Speaker 1>All right, catching up here Scots Loan seven hundred WLW Live.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard the voice of Stephen m Attorney from the

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<v Speaker 1>Finny Law Firm for Terry Thiji. She's on paid administrative

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<v Speaker 1>leave as chief from the City of Cincinnati, standing behind

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<v Speaker 1>in the civilian clothes, not speaking obviously, let the lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>do the talking, for she's always smart. We've heard that

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Thiji, a cops cop here, a long family cops

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<v Speaker 1>and law enforcement in Cincinnati from the West Side, was

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<v Speaker 1>asked to resign. She refused because there's no cause. And

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<v Speaker 1>on her thirty fifth anniversary of her start on the

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<v Speaker 1>job as a police officer, she finds out that she's

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<v Speaker 1>being put on paid administrative leave, meaning we're looking for reasons. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have reason to fire you, we're looking for reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to put you on unpaid administrative leave.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we got right now is a good old standoff.

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<v Speaker 1>If she stays, she gets the authority to do her job.

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<v Speaker 1>If she goes, it's going to cost you and missus

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<v Speaker 1>tax payer millions and millions of dollars that you can

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<v Speaker 1>will afford. And it doesn't really solve the issue on this.

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<v Speaker 1>With some instant reaction is the president of the Queen

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<v Speaker 1>City Lodge of the FFP, that's Ken Kober, can appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you jumping in this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, thanks you to me. Step.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks like the no confidence vote you had for this

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<v Speaker 1>administration really really stands up at this boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it. Yeah. I mean they've fumbled this from the

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<v Speaker 2>get go. You have the chief fly across the country

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<v Speaker 2>only the land in Denver go to go to a

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<v Speaker 2>conference representing the city in the police department, only to

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<v Speaker 2>tell her to come home. And then I mean what

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen over the last five days is just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>they fumbled this whole thing. It's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in addition to that, the person they appointed chief, Henny,

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<v Speaker 1>is the interim chief now and according to sheherlong city manager,

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<v Speaker 1>she said he has my full support. I'm confident in

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<v Speaker 1>his leadership. I don't know if he's doing the next chief,

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the command officer who signed a citation

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<v Speaker 1>against the white guy in the brawl in July at

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<v Speaker 1>the urging of the mayor, which is purely political, not criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Henny wasn't on the scene. He ran the

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<v Speaker 1>Central Business district and that had the high spike in

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<v Speaker 1>crime this year. The optics of that are bad for

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<v Speaker 1>the it gets. It goes from bad to worse for

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<v Speaker 1>these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll tell you the optics are certainly not good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say this about Colonel Henny. As you

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<v Speaker 2>know that whole debackle, he was doing nothing but protecting

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<v Speaker 2>investigators from having to do what they just said I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do. And instead of them facing the

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<v Speaker 2>consequences for standing up to it, you know, he stepped

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<v Speaker 2>in and he protected cops, which is something that we

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<v Speaker 2>certainly all appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that from a cops perspective, like

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<v Speaker 1>he got our backs. I'm not going to let the

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<v Speaker 1>rank and file take the take the fall on this.

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<v Speaker 1>But again I don't I don't know what the ethic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty unethical though, is that you're told

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<v Speaker 1>by the mayor to do something. It's like, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>how our justice system works. As much as these people

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<v Speaker 1>spend complaining about Donald Trump, you just did the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that you're allegedly against. But I digress a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. And the other thing too is if she

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<v Speaker 1>were effective as chief, why would we have so much

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<v Speaker 1>violent crime? I think that's The big question here is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>violent crime has continue to go up. The optics are

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<v Speaker 1>bad on this. We have Fountain Square, had the shooting

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the in between. It just keeps coming

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<v Speaker 1>and coming and coming despite what we do. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't all long ago. He said, hey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>things are effective. She's doing a good job. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're effective at something, we should have less violent crime,

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<v Speaker 1>not more.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this just proves what we know all along, and

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<v Speaker 2>it proves what I've been saying all along, which is

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<v Speaker 2>we need to keep politics out of policing. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you have the city manager, the mayor who over over

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<v Speaker 2>at city Hall, is telling her what she can and

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<v Speaker 2>can't do, it's proving that that's failing. You know, Chiefdiji

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<v Speaker 2>has the ability to be an effective police chief. Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>she's not given that ability right now, and when she's

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<v Speaker 2>told what to do by city Hall, she's told what

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<v Speaker 2>she can can't do. The end result is that this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we have. And this is ultimately why you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the rank and file voted for voting no confidence against

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor, because they should allow the chief independently to

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<v Speaker 2>do what she wants to do. And if she was

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<v Speaker 2>screwing it up them then vile means do something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact that they didn't fire their asking her

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<v Speaker 2>to resign says everything you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this isn't her exit, this is about keeping

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<v Speaker 1>yours with Steve im said, So she has no desire

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<v Speaker 1>to go quietly. Actually she's going to go rather violently,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to cost a lot of money to

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<v Speaker 1>make her go away. I'm just wondering would the city

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<v Speaker 1>give up authority because this is issue five. So let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that the background, and that it came after Timothy

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas was shot and killed in two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>caused the riots. We had a charter amendment the issue

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<v Speaker 1>that passed I believe in November that year with just

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<v Speaker 1>over fifty percent of the vote. I think fifty fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one fifty two percent. But essentially the issue five you've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that a lot ken is that the city manager

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, shere along has the power to hire

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<v Speaker 1>and fire a police chief, fire chief, department heads at

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<v Speaker 1>whim at will. And there's no balance in that whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>In the past, it used to be the FOP you

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<v Speaker 1>guys had a little bit of a say in that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have that anymore. Is that what led to this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, sure, you know, and ultimately with that passing allowing

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<v Speaker 2>one person to have sole authority as to whether you

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<v Speaker 2>fire a police chief or a fire chief. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>proven with the fire chief. It's now been proven with

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with Chief Eage that this is a

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<v Speaker 2>terrible idea. There has to be changes to Issue five

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise we're going to continue to see the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter who you make the police chief. As

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<v Speaker 2>long as city Hall still is making the decisions as

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<v Speaker 2>to what's going to go on with the police department,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what we're going to have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's Ken Cobert, President the FOP. The reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney Steve IM's press conference he heard live on seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred Wow and on the stream via the iHeart radio

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<v Speaker 1>app too, and that is saying we're fighting this. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to let Terry Thiji take essentially be a

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificial lamb is what he called her, and said, this

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<v Speaker 1>stole thing is disappointing, and there's no justification or cause,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a legal term, no cause because she took

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<v Speaker 1>no action or inaction on her part to cause her

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<v Speaker 1>termination or it looks like at least her suspension no wrongdoing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're going to fight this thing tooth and nail

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see what happens. But relative to Issue five

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, I had some notes here from back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day in two thousand and one, the manager

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<v Speaker 1>for Issue five that we're talking about here said, this

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<v Speaker 1>is how other cities do it. And of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if other cities do it well, then it's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be successful for Cincinnati. At the time, your predecessor, Keith Fegman,

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<v Speaker 1>remember Keith Keith was the fop P president, and said,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen is it's going to politicize departments.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going to happen is you're going to have politicians

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<v Speaker 1>making decisions of law enforcement. And anytime that the something

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<v Speaker 1>happens it's bad, the chief is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificial and we'll have a revolving door. And in that

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<v Speaker 1>case he illustrated the Cleveland when they implemented this, they

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<v Speaker 1>went through nine police chiefs, I believe in less than

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<v Speaker 1>eight years because of the system. And now Terry Fiji's

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<v Speaker 1>gone after what three not quite three we had a

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<v Speaker 1>chief before them. It's just going to be a revolving

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<v Speaker 1>door because the political will power exists and there's cover

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<v Speaker 1>of politically speaking to terminate the chief when in fact

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the chief. It's kind of like our foot

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<v Speaker 1>our sports teams can it's it's never the coach, the

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<v Speaker 1>assistant coach, the line cut, it's always the ownership in

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<v Speaker 1>the front office. That's what he's saying without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Keith, he was spot on when he said it.

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<v Speaker 2>That was twenty four years ago. We saw it with

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<v Speaker 2>James Craig. He was the first chief to hire outside

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<v Speaker 2>this police department. The rank and file loved him. He

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<v Speaker 2>refused the cave to pressure from city Hall and after

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<v Speaker 2>two years they went thanks, but no thanks for gone.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we got another chief that came in, made

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<v Speaker 2>it eighteen months they fired him. So this is no

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<v Speaker 2>surprise that this is all coming to fruition and it

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<v Speaker 2>needs a change.

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<v Speaker 1>Can this change before you overturn issue Fiation five? I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to go back on the ballot. You'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how to work around that. Because there was

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<v Speaker 1>a charter amendment that passed in two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of work to overdo that, and the will

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<v Speaker 1>of the voters, of course, but can Chief thee Is

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<v Speaker 1>there room for her to come back and do her job?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why she'd want to at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>the way that she's been treated. I mean, you treat

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<v Speaker 2>somebody as thirty five years you've given to the city,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is how you're being treated. And I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you right now the cops are going if they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do this to the chief, what will they

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<v Speaker 2>do to me? I don't know why you would want

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<v Speaker 2>to come back. I just don't see a scenario where

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<v Speaker 2>that happens, because then she's going to be constantly looking

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<v Speaker 2>at her shoulder. What are they going to do to

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<v Speaker 2>me next? I feel for them, Like I said, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this fight with the FOP in the city is

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<v Speaker 2>just as much about Chief Figi as it is for

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<v Speaker 2>the next chief, for the chief after that, the chief

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years from now. There has got to be change made.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I have to put all the effort in

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<v Speaker 2>the world to the FOP to make sure that Issue

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<v Speaker 2>five is changed, and that's exactly what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Kober, the name that was mentioned that caused Steve

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<v Speaker 1>m to just simply pause, consider it and then say,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't comment on that was the name Iris Rawley,

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<v Speaker 1>how much? How many fingerprints are on this? Her fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>are on what's happening right now?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's hard saying it wouldn't surprise me. But

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<v Speaker 2>the problem is there was no transparency at city hall.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the absolute problem. You had the mayor say

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<v Speaker 2>after the press conference that we're exploring all options. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if if the chief's going to stay or not,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, you know, nothing happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the mayor comes out and says, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is show a Long's decision. It's not my decision, it's hers.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course then she makes the decision. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>completely support her decision. It's just the lack of transparency

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<v Speaker 2>is staggering coming from city Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the fact of the matter, she goes to Denver,

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<v Speaker 1>she gets recalled, there's an urgent message, there's an urgent

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<v Speaker 1>issue in Cincinnati. We already had the Fountain Square shootings

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. She's off to Denver. She comes back

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<v Speaker 1>and now they go, well, we're going to suspend, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>put you on paid leave. Why, Well, we can't say,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know, but here's the interim chief, and this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing has been handled so poorly. In drag, Effer said,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's decision after decision like this, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>when way after food carts and red bikes, in breaking

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<v Speaker 1>up the probation departments, all these things that actually made

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<v Speaker 1>crime worse or had no impact on whatsoever. And now

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the last thing they have, the last quiver in

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<v Speaker 1>their arsenal, is firing the chief. And I'll point out

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<v Speaker 1>ken I read this earlier in the show, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's worth pointing out again that when she was

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<v Speaker 1>hired in twenty twenty two to replace Elliott Isaac, she

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<v Speaker 1>was an executive assistant chief, first woman to lead the department,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said in her first interview or her swearing

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<v Speaker 1>in her priorities upon taking off us, We're dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>ensuring CPD is as inclusive as possible, and I'm committed

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<v Speaker 1>wholeheartedly to continue the work of the collaborative agreement. That

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like someone who's saying that because she know how

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<v Speaker 1>she got the job, Like those are the marching orders

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<v Speaker 1>she was given by the administration as opposed to well,

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with street level crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, you know, it's funny how this is all transpiring. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like making an arrest and then deciding what the

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<v Speaker 2>crime is. I mean, that's literally, that's how ridiculous this is.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna put you on leave until we can figure

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<v Speaker 2>out why it is that we're actually going to fire you,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to do it. It's absolutely nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>And the rank and file recognizes that. You're regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>how they feel about her as the chief, how they

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<v Speaker 2>feel about her as a police officer, none of that

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<v Speaker 2>matters the rank and files when this is at right

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<v Speaker 2>to treat somebody this way. And that's why I said

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<v Speaker 2>that the police department of the rank and file has

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<v Speaker 2>certainly been united over this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a terrible thing, and that normally, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking to get rid of somebody, and I've worked for

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<v Speaker 1>places and work for places where they're always looking to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cut, cut some baggage, lose, they build a file.

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<v Speaker 1>They go, okay, well this person is doing this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a file. We've got to and you build

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<v Speaker 1>a history so that if you have to terminate someone,

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<v Speaker 1>you can point to that and go it's not discrimination,

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<v Speaker 1>it's for cause. Here's the causes. They don't have that here.

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<v Speaker 1>They suspended her paid administrative leave, and now they're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons to go back and say, here's why we

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<v Speaker 1>put you on leave. And this could go on for

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and weeks and weeks to try and funds find

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<v Speaker 1>some dirt on Terry Thiji that may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>probably doesn't exist because you would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Had this stuff already, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess it does have a chilling effect in

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<v Speaker 1>police officers. But you know, we also mentioned that the

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<v Speaker 1>city just went in their pocket for money, even more money,

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<v Speaker 1>another four and a half million dollars to pay police

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<v Speaker 1>officer try and recruit police office because as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you often said, were what one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred and fifty cops down? Which is also

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<v Speaker 1>part of the problem too, because we spent money out

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<v Speaker 1>of the other stupid things getting keeping boots on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>But what does that due to recruitment efforts? And Simmon

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<v Speaker 1>sees this from I don't know, we're talking about lateral recruitments,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning you're stealing cops from other jurisdictions, go come to shiny,

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<v Speaker 1>sunny Cincinnati and work here. It's great, how does that

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<v Speaker 1>undermine the cause that you're trying to do, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is getting more cops signed up, not less. This to

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<v Speaker 1>me sounds like it make cops want to leave, not

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<v Speaker 1>to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Without a doubt, I mean it is. It is certainly

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a devastating effect on retention because we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see even more people say, as they get

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years on that leave and then anybody that

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<v Speaker 2>actually pays to pays attention to the media, Uh, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna want to come here. So it's gonna it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna also affect recruiting. And it's just every time we

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<v Speaker 2>finally get out of the news over the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the attack at Fourth and Elm and how that was handled,

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<v Speaker 2>and we finally get passed out and then now we

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<v Speaker 2>have this, and it's just unfortunately City Hall seems to

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to get out of their way when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to, uh, dealing with these issues. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly going to have a terrible impact on recruitment and retention.

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<v Speaker 1>How long you think this drags out, what's your gut say?

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows? I mean weeks? Who knows? I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>already drug out five or six days. I just who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it ends quickly. It's what the men and

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<v Speaker 2>women of this police department deserve, it's what the residents deserve.

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<v Speaker 2>So just to be handled very quickly and let's move

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<v Speaker 2>on whatever that looks like, whether it's her coming back,

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<v Speaker 2>her not coming back, they need to resolve this very

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the rank and file weren't enamored with Terry Thiji,

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<v Speaker 1>but man, what the city just did is solidify every

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<v Speaker 1>man and woman on that thin blue or white line

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<v Speaker 1>as it is in Cincinnati, on her side. This is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Ken Kobert. He is the president of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Lodge at the FOP joint of the show with

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<v Speaker 1>his reaction following the press conference involving Terry Figi's administrative

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<v Speaker 1>paid administrative leaves. They look for reasons to fire her,

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to having reasons. Now we're gonna put you on leave,

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<v Speaker 1>pay you, and then look for is to fire you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's completely as backwards as it gets for any big city,

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<v Speaker 1>or any city in America for that matter. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>our town, that is Cincinnati, USA. Can all the best

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<v Speaker 1>be safe? Thanks again?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks very much, Scott News.

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<v Speaker 1>On the way. We'll shift it up a little bit here.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Holloway is the president of the Hamlin County Associations

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<v Speaker 1>of Chiefs the Police. His reaction to this and also

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<v Speaker 1>some of the areas that were pointed out in the

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<v Speaker 1>press conference to get a chance to get to and

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<v Speaker 1>that would be judge's role in this whole thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>the accusation by Steve Im that Aftaed Pirrival won't engage

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<v Speaker 1>county judges to force them to get tougher when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to bond and releasing people who are violent criminals

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<v Speaker 1>on their own recognizance. Chief Holloway his reaction next seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred WWT, Cincinnati