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Speaker 3: My position is that should be a requirement from Rogers.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not here to you know, start a fire,

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Speaker 1: It might not be in this particular case. Too late.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 4: Because are they winning a super Bowl with Kirkoh? No,

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Speaker 4: probably not right? And you can argue they're not going

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Speaker 3: Right, and so it might just be here, which is

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to our first guest, our old

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Speaker 3: friend Adam Minterter with some good stuff he's written Winter

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Speaker 3: Olympics related and maybe some other things before. Maybe he

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Speaker 3: will talk to him about the quarterback situation that is

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Speaker 3: our next segment.

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Speaker 1: Adam Minter is.

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Speaker 3: Now, don't forget We'll let's check in on the combine

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Speaker 3: with Alex Lewis from the Athletic about an hour from

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Speaker 3: now Kessler in studio on State of the Union, stuff

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Speaker 3: from last night and other things as well. He is

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Speaker 3: scheduled for his usual time five thirty and we're now

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Speaker 3: pleased to be Joe by Bloomberg dot Com columnist Adam Minter.

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Speaker 3: Kind of enough to join us now as well. It's

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Speaker 3: been a while since we've chatted guards. He reminds me,

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Speaker 3: you're back more local again, Is that correct? I am?

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Speaker 6: I am? We you know, did they back to COVID

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Speaker 6: that just started bringing us home more and more? And

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Speaker 6: so here we are. I travel a bit, but glad

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Speaker 6: to be back.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's good to chat with you once again. And

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Speaker 3: the Olympics are in the rearview mirror. But I still

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Speaker 3: think there's some time for some reflection because one of

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Speaker 3: the things that that struck me, that that you wrote

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Speaker 3: about that was kind of interesting, as I believe, sort

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Speaker 3: of symbolized by one competitor in particular, Alana Myers Taylor,

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Speaker 3: the forty one year old mother who finally made it

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Speaker 3: for gold via the mon monobob track, as they say

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Speaker 3: in the business, is what at her age she might

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Speaker 3: represent give our audience, a little bit of why you

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Speaker 3: thought it was worth writing about her, and what door

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Speaker 3: perhaps she represents.

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Speaker 6: Sure, well, what I began to notice sort of slowly

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Speaker 6: is I was watching the Olympics, binging the Olympics really

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Speaker 6: is that we seem to be seen. And I just saw, anecdotally,

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Speaker 6: really seeing more and more athletes in their thirties and

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Speaker 6: even in their forties. And in fact, the first time

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Speaker 6: I noticed it during these last Olympics was a snow

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Speaker 6: cross competitor by the name of Nick Bombgardner forty four,

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Speaker 6: forty four years old, who took seventh in that event,

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Speaker 6: and that's an event I usually associate with somebody in

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Speaker 6: their twenties. And so I started looking into some of

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Speaker 6: the numbers, and it's true, we are actually getting older

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Speaker 6: and older Olympians. I wouldn't want to overstate it. You know,

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Speaker 6: we're seeing, you know, over the last thirty years, the

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Speaker 6: average age of a female competitor going from about twenty

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Speaker 6: four to twenty six. But it's on the upper end

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Speaker 6: that we're really seeing a lot of movement, especially in

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Speaker 6: competitors in their mid thirties and early forties. And it's

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Speaker 6: sports science, it's nutrition and it's just straight up grit.

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Speaker 6: And so what I argue in the column that you

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Speaker 6: picked up is that you know, she embodies what, you know,

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Speaker 6: really should be a new American kind of Olympic ideal.

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Speaker 6: That is, agent experience can be a competitive advantage. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's not a liability anymore. And we know this from

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Speaker 6: other sports. I mean, if we just talk about Minnesota,

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Speaker 6: you know, the Timberwolves. I mean, how much do we love,

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Speaker 6: you know, Mike Conley. You know, it's the agent experience

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Speaker 6: and why shouldn't that be something that we embrace and

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Speaker 6: celebrate in our Olympians too.

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Speaker 3: It's fair to say also in the case of these

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Speaker 3: games in particular the US, and the US ends up

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Speaker 3: with a record number of gold medals, I believe twelve,

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Speaker 3: but there were four days where it was getting a

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Speaker 3: little bit scary. Other than the speed skater Jordan Stoles,

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Speaker 3: who I think we talked about it's from Wisconsin. Outside

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Speaker 3: of him, there were no gold medals for four days

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Speaker 3: and Atlanta Myers Taylor is the one we sort of

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Speaker 3: started the hot stretch as well. And I mean, again,

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Speaker 3: I look, there's some sports where this is going to

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Speaker 3: be easier than others, but we are getting i think,

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Speaker 3: more used to it almost every sport. The idea if

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Speaker 3: it's an individual who takes care of himself for herself

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Speaker 3: has some of the advantages that seem to be in

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Speaker 3: place right now that there's no reason to think that

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Speaker 3: this is going to be anything more but more than

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Speaker 3: a or it's going to be quite a trend. As

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Speaker 3: we move forward, you're going to see it happen more

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Speaker 3: and more often, especially around the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think that's exactly right. And I think one way

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Speaker 6: to think about it is really widening the pipeline. You know,

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Speaker 6: there's there's a lot of talk with sort of younger

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Speaker 6: Olympians that we need to go and find, you know,

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Speaker 6: the next speed skater, and and speed skating has been

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Speaker 6: really cool.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: One of the things they did, I think it's over

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Speaker 6: a decade ago, is they said, let's start, let's start,

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Speaker 6: you know, traveling down to Arizona and Florida looking at

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Speaker 6: inline skater you know, and and that's that's a you know,

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Speaker 6: a source for our pipeline. Mouge actually does something with

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Speaker 6: with they go around the country. They do it with

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Speaker 6: White Castle. They call it their slider Competition or something

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Speaker 6: but looking for a young lujeh, you know, and skeleton riders.

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Speaker 6: I believe it is, you know, in unexpected places. Well,

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Speaker 6: why shouldn't you know the pipeline be widened to allow

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Speaker 6: more older athletes in because we really do sort of

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Speaker 6: understandably I think, I mean, I'm not slagging it necessarily.

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Speaker 6: We do look at young athletes as the norm, as

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Speaker 6: older athletes are kind of you know, viewed as marvels

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Speaker 6: and rarities, and people like me write, you know, columns

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Speaker 6: about them. But maybe we should be thinking about them

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Speaker 6: differently as this untapped resource. Who can you know, you know,

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Speaker 6: bluntly give us more opportunities at gold medals like a

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Speaker 6: lot of Meyers Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Did you know? And beyond that, and this is just

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Speaker 3: this is a separate subject, a sidebar, if you will,

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Speaker 3: but from a if if you buy the notion that

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Speaker 3: for a lot of casual viewers of the Winter Olympics,

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Speaker 3: part of what draws them to the event is learning

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Speaker 3: about the stories of individuals they may never have heard

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Speaker 3: of or rarely knew very much beyond the basics about,

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Speaker 3: And you start getting invested as those stories get told,

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Speaker 3: as those stories get broadcast, and let's be honest, there's

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Speaker 3: a good chance they're going to be richer if they

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Speaker 3: go on an extra ten years, they're an extra fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: That the saga itself, I think is something that can

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Speaker 3: attract us as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree, and I think we've seen that.

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Speaker 6: You know, another trend I noticed just casually watching the

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Speaker 6: Games is a lot of discussion of Olympians who are moms,

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Speaker 6: you know, which I thought was a really cool narrative.

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Speaker 6: In fact, I did earlier in the Games. I did

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Speaker 6: a piece where I spent some time with Team Peterson,

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Speaker 6: the women's curling team, and the two sisters, Tara and Tabitha,

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Speaker 6: are both moms, and they had actually timed their pregnancies

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Speaker 6: and birth, you know, so that they could they could

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Speaker 6: do them together as sisters. But also, you know, it's

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Speaker 6: just really advantageous for how they trained, and you know,

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Speaker 6: we discussed a bit. I haven't written about this yet,

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Speaker 6: but we discussed a bit, you know, the challenges of

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Speaker 6: you know, of overcoming you know, the physical demands of

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Speaker 6: pregnancy and performing on an elite level. And I think

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Speaker 6: that's the kind of narrative that NBC and NBC is

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Speaker 6: very important to the Olympics, making them happen, you know,

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Speaker 6: you know, can really embrace is something that brings these

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Speaker 6: games and engages fans, casual fans and what's happening on

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Speaker 6: the ice in a sport that a lot of people

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Speaker 6: may not care about, you know, curling and monobob I

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Speaker 6: care about them. But you know, if you're just this

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Speaker 6: casual sports fan, why should you care about these? Well,

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Speaker 6: these are people like me.

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Speaker 3: Adam Minter is our guest writes great sports stuff and

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Speaker 3: other things as well for Bloomberg dot Com. Author has

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Speaker 3: been on with us many times over the years as well.

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Speaker 3: For it sounds like you watched a lot. I watched

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Speaker 3: a lot. We talk a lot, or have talked a

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Speaker 3: lot about the Winter Olympics on this show.

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned I.

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Speaker 3: Think I covered four back in my newspaper days go

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Speaker 3: with three Summer Olympics, and I enjoyed. I think I

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Speaker 3: enjoyed the winner more because of the esoteric nature of

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Speaker 3: some of the sports. If you're doing your deep dive

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Speaker 3: on ranking the top stories out of the just completed

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Speaker 3: Winter Olympics, what's at the top of your list?

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Speaker 6: You know, I think if I were to really take

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Speaker 6: a look, I think First of all, it would be

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Speaker 6: sort of a big trend story is are these older

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Speaker 6: athletes and the parents who are competing. That's a very

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Speaker 6: new thing, and I think it's it's something that's going

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Speaker 6: to change how we watch the Olympics and how the Olympics,

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Speaker 6: how we compete against And then you want to just

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Speaker 6: talk about individual story, Yeah, yeah, if you want to

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Speaker 6: talk about a story that mattered, I think you know,

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Speaker 6: both the USA Hockey, both men's Olympics, it's hard to

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Speaker 6: top that. And sort of the sidebar story is I think,

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Speaker 6: you know, unfortunately, how even this event, which you know,

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Speaker 6: these Olympics, which have always been this unifying yes experience,

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Speaker 6: has become polarized and it's becoming another you know, battlefront

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Speaker 6: in our culture war. And I really really more in that.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's a it's inevitable in the current political environment,

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Speaker 6: but I think that's that's really a pity, and I

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Speaker 6: think it's going to inform you know, events down the line,

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Speaker 6: in particular the spring and summer, the World Cup, and

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Speaker 6: as we start ramping up into LA twenty eight, it's

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Speaker 6: going to also inform how we experience that and maybe

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Speaker 6: how we enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, We've talked about that from time to

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Speaker 3: time on this show, and it's not a new subject,

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Speaker 3: although you could say it's newer when it comes to

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Speaker 3: Olympic discussion, and you're right, I think it inevitably means

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Speaker 3: it's something more athletes are gonna think about, whether they

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Speaker 3: want to or not. They're going to feel like almost

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Speaker 3: if they don't have any any choice, and I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I find it. I find it pretty exhausting because there

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Speaker 3: are a couple of athletes who spoke up against what

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Speaker 3: was going on here with the the ice surge, and

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Speaker 3: they're immediately on the right. There was how dare you

626
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Speaker 3: you should be thankful you're representing the country, And I

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Speaker 3: think you can still be thankful you're representing the country

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Speaker 3: and offer I was not offended by those opinions. I'm

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Speaker 3: also not offended if the if members the may of

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Speaker 3: the men's hockey team want to go at the hangout

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Speaker 3: at the White House or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I can adam.

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Speaker 3: I can work myself up easily over a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 3: and many have argued stuff that's not worth getting worked

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Speaker 3: up over.

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Speaker 1: But I I am.

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Speaker 3: Just what I what I hope for is some consistency

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Speaker 3: on it. And what I tend to see and believe

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Speaker 3: is that for for the fringes of the two parties,

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Speaker 3: there is no consistency. You know, you're gonna hammer it

641
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Speaker 3: when the person is offering an opinion you disagree with,

642
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Speaker 3: and you're gonna you're gonna absolutely praise it if that

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Speaker 3: athlete is offering up the direction that you're looking for,

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Speaker 3: which to me is why I'm I'm just kind of

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Speaker 3: bored with the whole subject, because I don't think consistency

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Speaker 3: has anything to do with the positions a lot of people.

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Speaker 6: Take right, well, two kind of reactions to what you

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Speaker 6: just said. You know, first of all, I think what's

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Speaker 6: most distressing to me is that athletes who don't want

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Speaker 6: to speak about politics at this point, that too has

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Speaker 6: become you know, silence has become right politics as well.

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Speaker 6: Position and yeah, yeah, and I think that's very frustrating.

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Speaker 6: But I think something else that's really important to consider,

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Speaker 6: and I actually did a column on this early in

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Speaker 6: the Olympics, is you know, our athletes, the USA athletes,

656
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Speaker 6: are different than athletes in most countries, and that they

657
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Speaker 6: are not government funded. And I don't think this is

658
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Speaker 6: explained or broadcast enough. The United States does not do it.

659
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Speaker 6: It hasn't done that in decades. And there were a

660
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Speaker 6: couple of reasons for that. One is that they the

661
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Speaker 6: members of Congress who made that decision going back as

662
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Speaker 6: far as the sixties, they didn't want there to be

663
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Speaker 6: political in once on the selection of athletes or what

664
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Speaker 6: athletes were expected to do. You know, I reported from

665
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Speaker 6: China for many many years, and I actually wrote quite

666
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Speaker 6: frequently about the Chinese Olympic team, and one of the

667
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Speaker 6: things that was, you know, a concert with the Chinese

668
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 6: Olympic team is that they had to show up and

669
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Speaker 6: you know, pose with political leaders top to bottom. It

670
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Speaker 6: could be you know, the local potentate, or it could

671
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Speaker 6: be Siejingping, you know, whoever it is. They didn't have

672
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Speaker 6: a choice in that, you know. And I think one

673
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Speaker 6: of the things that's really that I really like about

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Speaker 6: the US system is, you know, we had members of

675
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Speaker 6: the US men's Olympic team who decided not to go

676
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Speaker 6: visit with Trump, and I think that's something that's worth celebrating.

677
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Speaker 6: And I don't think we celebrate that enough that we

678
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 6: do by design have this kind of non political US

679
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Speaker 6: Olympic system. That doesn't mean that these folks don't represent us,

680
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Speaker 6: but they don't represent our government, and it's a very

681
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 6: important distinction.

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Speaker 3: It's an important one, and in the case of some

683
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Speaker 3: I think there's even some open questions about why some

684
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Speaker 3: of them who didn't didn't. Some of it may have

685
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Speaker 3: been I don't I'm not comfortable in that environment with him.

686
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Speaker 3: Some of it may been scheduling issues, whatever the case

687
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 3: may be. But it's become another one of those purity tests,

688
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: and you hit on a really I think important part

689
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Speaker 3: of this is that silence is now considered some sort

690
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Speaker 3: of concession speech to you're on one team or you're

691
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Speaker 3: on the other team, when it may be you're just

692
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Speaker 3: not interested. You have find other ways to offer up

693
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Speaker 3: whatever position that you might want to take politically or

694
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Speaker 3: maybe not politically at all. It has become I guess

695
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Speaker 3: we shouldn't be surprised. And look, I don't think there's

696
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Speaker 3: any question there's a prop forever politicians have wanted to

697
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Speaker 3: pose with athletes for all the obvious reasons. That's not

698
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Speaker 3: anything new, and so there is some manipulation that goes

699
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Speaker 3: on there. And then to me, it's up to the

700
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Speaker 3: athlete to decide do I mind being used that way?

701
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: Is it important enough for me to say, well, I'm

702
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 3: looking at it as the presidency, not necessarily this individual.

703
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in reading every mind on that because

704
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: it's I think it's it's for It may be very

705
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: simple in some cases, it may be more complicated in others.

706
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Speaker 3: But I think we've reached a point where as you say,

707
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Speaker 3: I can't even imagine what the build up is going

708
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Speaker 3: to be to the next one, which isn't that far

709
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Speaker 3: off now in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 6: California, right And you know, and just following on what

711
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Speaker 6: you said, you know, ultimately it doesn't allow the athletes

712
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Speaker 6: just to be athletes anymore. You know, they really do

713
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Speaker 6: have to, you know, have the media training and know

714
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Speaker 6: how to manage these kinds of questions. You know, it's

715
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Speaker 6: very much the case that many of the athletes in Milan,

716
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Speaker 6: Courtina did not want to answer these questions. And you know,

717
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Speaker 6: I'm not naive. I mean, you know, the whole shut

718
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Speaker 6: up and play basketball thing, I understand it. But you know,

719
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Speaker 6: there has always been previous to the last few years,

720
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Speaker 6: it feels like there's still was space for you know, athletes.

721
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Speaker 6: I'm the US Olympic team in particular to not get

722
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Speaker 6: involved in this kind of thing. And I just feel

723
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Speaker 6: like that space is shrunk and it's really a pity

724
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Speaker 6: for all us fans and athletes.

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Speaker 1: There's no question about that.

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Speaker 3: A couple more minutes on this, I want to try

727
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Speaker 3: to get into another subject if we can, the Lindsey

728
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Speaker 3: Vaughn story.

729
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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about it before.

730
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Speaker 3: What you know, she ultimately made her last attempt and

731
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: when we already knew, you know the significance of the injury.

732
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Speaker 3: In fact, I had to learn. I did not know

733
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Speaker 3: enough about downhill skiing to understand that it isn't unprecedented

734
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Speaker 3: for skiers to to try to do what she said

735
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Speaker 3: she was going to do. Now, I don't know if

736
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Speaker 3: it's common exactly, but I was firmly in the camp

737
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Speaker 3: of she's an adult, she can make her own decision

738
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Speaker 3: on it. I'm not going to presume to tell her

739
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Speaker 3: what he she should or shouldn't do.

740
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Speaker 5: Now.

741
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Speaker 3: I'll admit when she comes out later to say, guess what, folks,

742
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: I came perilously close to losing my leg. Then you

743
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: swallow hard and go God though that's a different story,

744
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: But I guess I still go back to the same position,

745
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 3: which is, ultimately it's it's her A, it's her call,

746
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Speaker 3: and B. I do think it's what attracts us a

747
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: lot of us to sports is that these athletes in

748
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: that sense are symbols more than they are flesh and blood,

749
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Speaker 3: which shouldn't be forgotten. But it's the idea of man,

750
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Speaker 3: she's just she's going after it, He's going after it.

751
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: That's kind of what brings us to sports in the

752
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 3: first place, isn't.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and let's not overlook I mean, she was

754
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Speaker 6: a legitimate contender, yeah before the knee injury, I you know,

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Speaker 6: and I think that gets glossed over sometimes. I mean,

756
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Speaker 6: she was in top conditioning. It kind of circles back

757
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Speaker 6: to what you know, we started with here. I mean,

758
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 6: if anything, you know, the fact, I think we should

759
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 6: be interested in the athlete, you know, who is forty

760
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Speaker 6: one years old and is willing to take those kinds

761
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Speaker 6: of risk injured or not. Doing the Olympic down Hell

762
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Speaker 6: is incredibly dangerous, and the you know, the Winter Olympics themselves,

763
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Speaker 6: you know, more so than the Summer Olympics. I believe

764
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Speaker 6: outside of a couple events, maybe like pole vault are

765
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Speaker 6: incredibly dangerous. You know, look at these snowboard events and

766
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Speaker 6: the free style ski events, they're all very dangerous. And

767
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Speaker 6: and so I don't know that Vond's risks were any

768
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Speaker 6: greater than somebody doing, say, you know, the aerial ski

769
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Speaker 6: event where you know you're up, I don't know, thirty

770
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Speaker 6: forty feet in the air, you know, and maybe circling

771
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Speaker 6: back again. I think what's really interesting about von if

772
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 6: we step back, is I think she's a model for

773
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Speaker 6: younger athletes, and you know, a narrative that says, look

774
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 6: what happens if you stick with this, if you take

775
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 6: care of your body, you know, if you continue to train,

776
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 6: you know, you have the ability to compete later into life,

777
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Speaker 6: you know, maybe reap some of the financial benefits from it.

778
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 6: And so you know, it's a short it's a long

779
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: way of saying, you know, I think what she did

780
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 6: is admirable and and it's her choice, and I think

781
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 6: we all benefit from it.

782
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: I believe if I my memory is good, and sometimes

783
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: it does fail me that you have written some in

784
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 3: the past about WNBA negotiations. Can you we've talked almost

785
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: probably too little about that on this show lately. With

786
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: a lot of Winter Olympics coverage and and other things.

787
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: Can you update those of us who haven't been paying

788
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: close enough attention to because it doesn't appear to me

789
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: that things are going particularly well. Where is that at

790
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: and what's your position of how this might play out?

791
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yesterday the league reportedly told the players and

792
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 6: the franchises the teams that, you know, if there isn't

793
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 6: a deal, I believe they said by March eleventh. It's

794
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 6: March tenth or eleventh, don't quote me on that. It's

795
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Speaker 6: one of those two days that they would have to

796
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 6: start making changes to the upcoming schedule. That means everything

797
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 6: from training camp to the draft to an expansion draft

798
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 6: because they have two franchises coming in. You know, that's

799
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 6: probably true. There's a lot of logistics involved in that.

800
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 6: That also puts a lot of pressure on the athletes.

801
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 6: You know, this has been going on for sixteen months.

802
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 6: But you know, you've covered sports for a long time,

803
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 6: you know as well as anybody does who covers this.

804
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 6: You know, these CBA negotiations they tend to speed up

805
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 6: right at the end when things are really you know,

806
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 6: about to cost people money or are already costing people money,

807
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 6: and that seems to be what's happening now. We're starting

808
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 6: to get more leaks about what the negotiating positions are,

809
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 6: but ultimately what needs to be negotiated is what percentage

810
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 6: of the revenues the players are going to get, and

811
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 6: that seems to be the impass right now. They're going

812
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 6: to get more than they have previously, but both sides

813
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 6: are still with their feet in the mud or whatever

814
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 6: you want to say, not willing to move on their position.

815
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 6: The players want more, the Leaf wants to give them less,

816
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 6: and we'll see where that comes. But the fact that

817
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 6: there's been more leaks, there seems to be more meetings,

818
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 6: I think bodes well. Whether it means we're going to

819
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 6: have a season on time, I don't know, but I

820
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 6: imagine we're going to have a season of some kind.

821
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: Do you have a position on what the Vikings should

822
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: do at the quarterback position in twenty.

823
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: Twenty six beyond?

824
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: Obviously they're bringing McCarthy back, but they've I think made

825
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: it fairly clear behind the scenes that they do want

826
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: to hedge their bet. They do want and a an

827
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Speaker 3: option they view as viable to be a starter, as

828
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: difficult as that will be to thread the needle.

829
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: What's your advice to the purpose, Yeah.

830
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 6: I mean you can't. You can't. You can't just rely

831
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 6: on JJ McCarthy as your quarterback at this point. I

832
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 6: think you need you need some kind of some kind

833
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 6: of competition for him in training camp. But that's not

834
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 6: a particularly original insight. But but they're going to have

835
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 6: to sign somebody at least on a one year deal

836
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 6: just to see if they can spur him along and

837
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 6: hope and hope that future draft picks give them other options.

838
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: Any names appeal to you.

839
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Speaker 6: You know, I Aaron Rodgers, that would be fun. But

840
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 6: just to stir things up at the end here, but

841
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 6: you know, beyond that, I just don't know. I'll let

842
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 6: I'll let O'Connell and company figure that out.

843
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: Well, you probably weren't listening, but he did try to

844
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: stir things up on that very subject at the start

845
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: of the show. Because Adam Schefter, in a podcast just

846
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: within the last twenty four hours, lays out again the

847
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 3: possibility of Rogers ending up here. Doesn't say it's a certainty,

848
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: says nothing is ever a certainty with with Aaron Rodgers.

849
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: But I did already so when you say, you know,

850
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: get people going already tried, and it's very speaking about polarizing,

851
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: it's a very polarizing issue because some people feel feel

852
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: like that ship is sailed, and others say, what the hell, Yeah.

853
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: At this point, maybe maybe it'd be worth a try.

854
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: I'll admit I'm rooting for the story because I just

855
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: think it wouldn't be boring. Whatever happens, it would not

856
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form, be boring at all.

857
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: But does that mean it would end in, you know,

858
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: him raising the trophy. That's probably unlikely as well. It's

859
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: just a it's a strange set of circumstances. The Vikings

860
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: constantly seem to find themselves at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and you know, I mean of the great things

862
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 6: about Rogers you've been in the column business. I mean,

863
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 6: there's there's several columns to be written. If he comes here,

864
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 6: that's just that's just too good a piece of fodder

865
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 6: to let go.

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Speaker 1: Good to catch up, my friend. We appreciate the.

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Speaker 3: Time, and we will be in touch, all right, Thanks

868
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: jan Absolutely. Adam Minter writes for Bloomberg dot com com.

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Speaker 3: I hardly highly recommend his column writing. You know, we

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Speaker 3: like on this show to give you recommendations in the

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Speaker 3: not obvious places all the time. That's why we highly

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Speaker 3: tout and quote liberally from the Wall Street Journal Sports section.

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Speaker 3: It's not huge, it's generally not even a whole page

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Speaker 3: in the actual paper. But they've got good stuff. Man,

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Speaker 3: They they find good angles. And I think Adam Minter

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Speaker 3: is in the same classes. He could write very well

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Speaker 3: for that for that section. As it is, he writes

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Speaker 3: for Bloomberg dot Com and sometimes he writes on real

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Speaker 3: world stuff, and a lot of times he does write

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Speaker 3: on sports stuff as well, and I think because he's

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Speaker 3: not in the sports writing and broadcasting culture, it may

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Speaker 3: be easier for him to kind of give it a

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Speaker 3: little different view and to see the forest indeed, for

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Speaker 3: the uh for the trees. Let me get to one

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Speaker 3: quick text responding to what we were talking about earlier

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Speaker 3: with Adam. The President called the skier who spoke out

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Speaker 3: a loser. Doesn't publicly congratulate the women when the golden

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Speaker 3: I made joke about them. People who wanted politics out

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Speaker 3: of sports don't mind the whole men's team involvement. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure I understand that last sentence. The people who

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Speaker 3: wanted politics out of sports. What does that mean, don't

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Speaker 3: mind the whole men's team involvement? Is that person saying

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Speaker 3: they don't mind that It was the right wingers that

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Speaker 3: said shut up and dribble. Now they're not they're not

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Speaker 3: bothered that the hockey players are hanging out with Trump.

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Speaker 1: I got you. That would be my translation. Here's what

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Speaker 1: I would say.

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Speaker 3: I would say, Yeah, I have absolutely knows patients with

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Speaker 3: the President calling the skier who spoke out a loser.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember that particular quote, but I'll take the

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Speaker 3: texture at his word. But I also don't find it

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Speaker 3: any more persuasive to hear and read that the hockey

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Speaker 3: players who either attended stopped it in the White House

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Speaker 3: or attend to the State of the Union addressed their losers. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: it's there's people out there who think that you have

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Speaker 3: to sort of take.

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Speaker 1: A side on this. We don't have to do anything

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Speaker 1: we don't want to do.

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Speaker 3: I don't and the notion that there's something courageous in

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Speaker 3: take a stance on this, No, that's the easiest thing

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Speaker 3: in the world to do. Believe me, that's for me,

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Speaker 3: the most gutless thing to do, especially if you don't

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Speaker 3: believe in it. I just I tend to want to

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Speaker 3: call out hypocrisy, and so early when this came up,

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Speaker 3: we talked about it, the idea that we've got to

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Speaker 3: excoriate and ask how dare you? You should be thankful you

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Speaker 3: represent having the chance to representing the United States. Athletes

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Speaker 3: can speak up, especially if they're asked questions. I don't

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Speaker 3: have any problem with that. I also don't have a

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Speaker 3: problem with a Quinnesota. Which which brother was it who

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Speaker 3: said I love I love America, I love the United

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Speaker 3: States USA, whatever the case may be, I don't think

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Speaker 3: he has to apologize. That doesn't have to be an

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Speaker 3: endorsement of the administration. There's just consistency should matter. You

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Speaker 3: have greater credibility where if you bring some consistency to

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Speaker 3: the discussion. And we have, frankly, way too many people

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Speaker 3: who can't see past their own biases.

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Speaker 1: And I that's not the water I'm going to swim in.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a very good swimmer period, to tell you

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Speaker 1: the truth.

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Speaker 3: Top of the hour break, I do want to get

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Speaker 3: to a serious subject when we come back. We've got

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Speaker 3: at four point thirty a live report from Alec Lewis

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Speaker 3: at the Combine in the Indianapolis, Indiana, Kessler and finds

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Speaker 3: the