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Speaker 1: Coloro State rams my Colorado State rams, Jim Mora joining

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Speaker 2: How are you, Ryan?

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Speaker 3: I am great and I'm equally thrilled. I can promise

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Speaker 2: Hey, oh, I think our Mike says here, why don't

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Speaker 2: Sorry, we had to.

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Speaker 1: We have to shuffle here for just one second because

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, come over here so I can see how

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Speaker 5: this works. The CU guy gets his mic turned off. Uh, Jim,

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Speaker 5: First of all, congratulations, I'm I'm happy for you and

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Speaker 5: you not hear me if you're really happy?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, I'm absolutely happy.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Other than other than see you, I root for CSU

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Yeah, Hey, Dave, congratulations to you as well.

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Speaker 3: I sitting here in my office, I couldn't watch the

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that, Jim. For sure, if kids, kids played

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Speaker 5: played great. What I wanted to ask you you you

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Speaker 2: The c issu jeb.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's an amazing opportunity.

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Speaker 3: This place loves football, it's a it's a great environment

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Speaker 3: you know, Dave. I mean I was when I was

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Speaker 3: Thank you, but you know I love this area. My

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Speaker 1: I know that stated right there is going to make

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Speaker 1: Dave thrilled. This is something that he's been talking about

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Speaker 3: It's so critical to keep the regional players playing in

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Speaker 3: Populate our team and our staff with men that had

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Speaker 3: You know, that was the worst program in college football.

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Speaker 1: Well, last one half were you coach, and again thrilled

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Speaker 3: Up front and at quarterback? You know, I mean you

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Speaker 1: I would bet on Philip Rivers coming out of retirement

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Speaker 4: Years over bringing you in, Yes, I would, because last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, usually on occasion, usually we gotta warm

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Speaker 2: You start those singers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just you know, I got gotta step right

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Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly gonna be the the cult Seahawks game.

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Speaker 1: Is gonna be the most interesting double digit spread game

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Speaker 2: Weekend of the year for theade.

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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about a two touchdown underdog, and is.

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Speaker 4: I'm here to see this quarterback who's only been a

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Speaker 1: Because people will fool themselves into thinking like this could work,

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Speaker 2: it ninety nine? I think for the Falcons. And honestly, any.

444
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Speaker 1: Hate that Broncos fans probably had for Philip Rivers was

445
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: more so to do with he was so good and

446
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: kept beating us.

447
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Speaker 2: That's why you hate somebody. You hate him, hate him

448
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: when they stink he would Dad, David, how can you

449
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 2: hate Philip Rivers?

450
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Speaker 3: Right?

451
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? So I think you know, I mean, I

452
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: think this is I think it's gonna be fun. We'll

453
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Speaker 2: see you know, I'm.

454
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Speaker 4: Not expecting fireworks right off the bat, but we'll see

455
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Speaker 4: how it goes on text line.

456
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Speaker 1: Broncos broke Cam Newton ten years ago. He still sees

457
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Speaker 1: von Miller at his nightmares.

458
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Speaker 2: He might, yeah, I mean he was pretty bad after that.

459
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Speaker 4: It was not it was not very good. That was

460
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Speaker 4: his last I think his last good season overall. Now,

461
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 4: he didn't you get into the was that the one

462
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 4: he got into the car wreck that offseason and broke.

463
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Speaker 2: His Yeah it might have been. I don't remember which

464
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: season that was.

465
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Speaker 4: He had no case season where they won a bunch

466
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 4: of games in twenty seventeen, but he wasn't particularly effective.

467
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Speaker 1: Okay, So to the Broncos Packers game. Well, like I said,

468
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Speaker 1: we're here, the coordinator's coming up here at the top

469
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Speaker 1: of the hour. Also, I do want to get into

470
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Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow sound that was Yeah we did that

471
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Speaker 1: last night?

472
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Speaker 2: Did it was dark?

473
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Speaker 3: Wow?

474
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: Really pull out Andrew Luck.

475
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Speaker 1: Well, that's what everybody thinks, you know, literally everybody's wondering if,

476
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Speaker 1: after listening to Joe Burrow be kind of introspective yesterday,

477
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Speaker 1: if he's thinking about retirement.

478
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Speaker 2: He may not be.

479
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 4: Maybe he was just having one of those days. I

480
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Speaker 4: mean yeah, I mean he certainly seemed like he had

481
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Speaker 4: something going on.

482
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Speaker 1: It did it did. So we'll get into that coming

483
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Speaker 1: up here a little bit. But Bo Nick's talking yesterday

484
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Speaker 1: about how excited he is the atmosphere and you know,

485
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Speaker 1: again being an underdog against the Green Bay Packers.

486
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Speaker 2: I love it.

487
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Speaker 7: I think the atmosphere is going to be electric. I

488
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 7: think our fans are going to be extremely motivated and

489
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 7: you know, very hostile. Probably gonna be similar to the

490
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Speaker 7: Chiefs game a few weeks ago. This will be what

491
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Speaker 7: there seems to be a playoff game, So this will

492
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Speaker 7: be intense game on the field.

493
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Speaker 2: It'll be an intense environment.

494
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Speaker 7: Anytime you play a home game like this, you would

495
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Speaker 7: love the environment to be. You know, what they say

496
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Speaker 7: as allow as anybody's ever heard. And you know, I

497
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 7: feel good after what happened in our last home game.

498
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Speaker 7: So we're gonna be ready to go on our side.

499
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Speaker 7: And I know they're going to come in with a

500
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Speaker 7: really good plan. I know it's going to be a

501
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Speaker 7: really good football game, and you know it's pretty much

502
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Speaker 7: going to.

503
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Speaker 2: Be like playoff football. And that's what you get.

504
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Speaker 7: To December, and you know the end of the season.

505
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Speaker 7: That's what we're playing for, and we're extremely excited about

506
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Speaker 7: it and you know, happy to be in this position

507
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Speaker 7: this year.

508
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Speaker 1: I mean, to his point, the Chiefs game felt like

509
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Speaker 1: a playoff game, right, I mean that that for I

510
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Speaker 1: think Broncos.

511
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Speaker 2: Fans, I think it had that kind of to it. Yeah.

512
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Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't a per se playoff game, but

513
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Speaker 4: it certainly put the Broncos in prime position, prime position

514
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Speaker 4: for the division. Kind of an announcement game, Hey we're here,

515
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Speaker 4: we arrived.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that it had that kind of

517
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Speaker 2: cachet to it.

518
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: One of the things that has been a bit of

519
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 1: a knock against the Broncos over this streak is playing

520
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: up to and sometimes many times down two opponents where

521
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: expectation is, well, it's a three and eight Washington Commander's team,

522
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: you should win this more convincingly. Or last week, if

523
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: you're box score scouting it calling the performance of the

524
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Speaker 1: offense disgusting, for example, then you probably.

525
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 2: Came away with a one score win over the Raiders.

526
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Speaker 1: Thinking that the Broncos once again played down to the

527
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Speaker 1: Raiders even though that game was well in hand.

528
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Speaker 2: Does somebody call it discusting?

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

530
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Speaker 2: The Ringer. Didn't you didn't have seen that? Oh my gosh.

531
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Speaker 2: That's why I just don't let these outlets be a

532
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Speaker 2: thief of my joy. I don't pay attention to these nerds. Well,

533
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Speaker 2: I can't believe you haven't seen this. It has been everywhere.

534
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: Oh I stay away from media coverage of the Broncos.

535
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Speaker 1: Okay, well this is I'll reach you very quickly, and

536
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: then I want to get back to my point.

537
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Speaker 2: This was from the Ringer.

538
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone and to think

539
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: that a punt return touchdown should be what separates the

540
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: AFC West leading Broncos and the Raiders. As was the

541
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: case on Sunday, Denver's offense was disgusting again against one

542
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: of the least worst units and quarterback bon Nix now

543
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: is a passer rating of a two since Week ten,

544
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: which ranks twentieth in that span.

545
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: Nix and his paltry passing game.

546
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Speaker 1: We'll face off against the Packers, Jaguars, Chiefs, and Chargers

547
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: the next month, and I'm starting to think that the

548
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: bottom might fall out on this offense. In early January,

549
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: wrote that the ringer no who who?

550
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: From the ringer, I think it's Dante Lee.

551
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, if we've had on BCT when back in

552
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: the day, we had him on on Twitter forever before. Yeah,

553
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: we had him on we had him on BCT and

554
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: it's listen, he's pretty pretty smart analyst.

555
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Speaker 2: But this is like very clearly handed the cookie jar.

556
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: You didn't watch this game. Yeah, you didn't watch that game.

557
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: If that's if that's what your takeaway was, if.

558
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: You really think that a punt return touchdown was the

559
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: difference in the game clicked legitimately, No, that's not no game.

560
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 4: Broncos offense was bad in that game, Like, it really

561
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 4: wasn't bad in that game.

562
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Speaker 1: And even if you do want a box score scouts

563
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: look at the time of possession.

564
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Speaker 4: The ball for almost forty minutes. Yeah, they were running

565
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: the ball. Like what what part of that was? What

566
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: part of that was air quotes and disgusting or whatever?

567
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: Not sure?

568
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Speaker 1: And then you know he doubled down on it since

569
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: then when everybody's called him out for he's like, well,

570
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: we're all unentitled to have different opinions.

571
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: And it's like, let's listen to the opinion. He's just wrong. Yeah,

572
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: you know.

573
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: Right, So anyways, back to it, This is why I'm

574
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: optimistic about the Broncos versus the Packers is because.

575
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: They their pulse remains the same.

576
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Speaker 1: And even if you say, well, maybe you'd like to

577
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: see from a style points standpoint that they beat these teams,

578
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: these lesser teams by more by a wider margin. Fine,

579
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: whatever that we can have that debate. The point of

580
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: it is is still got to win and then and

581
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: then when they come to these games. I do think

582
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Speaker 1: they'll be up for it. I think they're fired up

583
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: to play a team as good as the Packers. This

584
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: isn't one of those like, well, you know, we we

585
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: understand in the NFC, or we understand that the bigger

586
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: deal is is these AFC teams on the other side,

587
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: with Jacksonville and Kansas City in our short week and

588
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: then the Chargers, that's our path to the one seed.

589
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Our path to the one seed has to have AFC wins.

590
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't I feel like they understand that every win

591
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: matters and that they they're going to show up and

592
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: play this team as though it is a playoff game.

593
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: And I guess there's that Chiefs game was so telling

594
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: on the mindset overall of this team and the way

595
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: they approach every single single situation. I'm pretty fired up

596
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: about the way they're going to show off this game. Honestly,

597
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't.

598
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. I guess I'm confused by it.

599
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 4: But I don't think they're going to be ill prepared

600
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 4: or not up for it. They played up to their

601
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: level of competition too, So you know, I don't. I

602
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: don't think that's going to be a quest. They may

603
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 4: not meet the Packers. They're a good football team, but

604
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 4: I think they're every bit prepared and ready and on

605
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: the same playing field to well.

606
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Speaker 2: I guess some of it.

607
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't blame me for or I wouldn't blame them for

608
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: understanding that that beyond this game are more important games.

609
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Speaker 4: Like as far as standing, Zilt is probably the toughest

610
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: to the four that remains well, And.

611
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like it probably is, but you

612
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: could also say, like by that metric again, I'm talking

613
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: more tie breakers with the one.

614
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sure. I mean, I guess, yeah, But you

615
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: just you got to stay dialed into this game this week.

616
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: You just got to keep handling business.

617
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: That's what I said.

618
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: Like the Raiders, Grant had a great quote about that

619
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: Raiders game being the most boring game possible in a

620
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: good way.

621
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: And he's right.

622
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Speaker 4: I mean, you just you want to keep it boring

623
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: and win the football game, handle business and be done

624
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: with it.

625
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: And you know that's what they did. It was a

626
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: division game. Donation games tend to play tough. They know

627
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: you a little bit better.

628
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: They played you, you know, a bunch of times before.

629
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Speaker 4: And the Raiders defense isn't as bad as people make

630
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: it out to be. That's that's the offense that's been

631
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: terrible this year. I just I'm kind of stuck on

632
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: that quote of that article you gave me and how

633
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: wrong it is about every aspect of everything.

634
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: And talked about.

635
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: Well, there's a little bit and I know that you're

636
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: tended to dismiss, you know, but anyways, but I'm saying

637
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of this again confirmation bias with

638
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: people that didn't like bon Nicks in the pre pre draft.

639
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: Product hate all the way to the playoffs.

640
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Let them hate well, And I know that, and I

641
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: don't want to relitigate it. I'm just saying that that

642
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: is where that comes from. You know, Like I don't

643
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: like bon Nicks, I don't like this offense. You know

644
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: that there's the guys on the Athletic Football Podcast that

645
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: do the same thing. They're just like, I don't like

646
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of what I'm watching, and the aesthetic bothers

647
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: me to my core, and so everything I do when

648
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: it comes to analysis of the Broncos is going to

649
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: filter through that.

650
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: Every time I used to I used to have a

651
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: bit of that.

652
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: You get to the point where you either wake up

653
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: and realize, hey, it's not always got to look the

654
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: way you want it to look. If it's winning football,

655
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: it's winning football. You know, there's such a thing as

656
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: winning ugly. We saw the Broncos saw it in twenty

657
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: fifteen during the Super Bowl fifty run the Patriots and

658
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: Tom Brady's you know, rookie year or whatever. We saw

659
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: it there. It was ugly winning football. We've we've certainly

660
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: seen ugly winning football before. People got to get outside

661
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 4: of whatever their preconception is. You gotta it comes to

662
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: a point where you just got to, hey, you know

663
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: what I was wrong on this and move forward. I

664
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Speaker 4: you know, Jalen Hurts with somebody when he first came

665
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Speaker 4: in the league, I'm like, this guy's not it, and

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Speaker 4: then you know you I'm like, okay, I've got to

667
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Speaker 4: the point now where I'm like, Jalen Hurts can be

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Speaker 4: it in the right systems. If you specifically cater the

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Speaker 4: right system to him, he can be it. But you

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Speaker 4: see this year when he's in the wrong fit or

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Speaker 4: not last year, before last whatever it was, or.

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Speaker 2: He was in the wrong fit, how bad he looks.

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Speaker 2: You know, Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 4: Another guy I was like, I don't know if this

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Speaker 4: guy's gonna make it in the pro game in the

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Speaker 4: right system.

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Speaker 2: With Cliff Kingsbury, he did look all right. Coaching matters.

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Speaker 2: You put him in a West.

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Speaker 4: Coast system and it's a fit matters in a lot

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Speaker 4: of ways. And so you know, I think with with

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Speaker 4: bo Nix or whatever, people just you know, they again,

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Speaker 4: whatever their preconceived reason for not liking the guy, whatever

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Speaker 4: it is, I think you got to step outside that

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Speaker 4: and then analyze.

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Speaker 2: Look as his team went in football games either way.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well then I need to step back from whether

687
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: or not I liked him it's working in this regard

688
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Speaker 4: and move on from this.

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Speaker 2: Why that's why I don't potentionalize national nerds. They don't

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Speaker 2: know what they're talking about yeah, and I do pay

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Speaker 2: attention to it.

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Speaker 1: So again we don't have to relitigate that and on

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Speaker 1: why I care about it and you don't.

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Speaker 2: But what it is, I do pay attention.

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Speaker 1: I always like outside perspectives, and sometimes even if they're wrong,

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Speaker 1: I still want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: There's something to challenging your own perspectives.

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Speaker 4: I can appreciate that portion of it, But I just

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Speaker 4: I never cared. What if I don't care, if I

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Speaker 4: don't need their approval, if I wouldn't if I don't

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Speaker 4: need their approval on then why would I care about

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Speaker 4: their opinion.

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Speaker 2: On Yeah, you know you're entitled to do that, Ben's

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Speaker 2: I mean talking. That's where I come from with that

705
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a lot of on the moroncos fans

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Speaker 1: that feel differently about there.

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Speaker 2: And there are, but I just like, from my joy,

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Speaker 2: that's how I have to protect it.

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Speaker 4: I look at articles like this though, and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: these guys don't even watch the games.

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Speaker 2: Why do we care what they have to say?

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Speaker 1: Well, this one is clearly like I said, hand in

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Speaker 1: the Cookie Jar didn't watch the game.

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Speaker 2: There are plenty though that that watch enough of it.

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Speaker 2: You can tell they watched it.

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Speaker 1: They just don't like what they're seeing, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what version. But more than anything,

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Speaker 1: I think what it tends to feel like it ignores

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Speaker 1: for me in sort of a macro level of all

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Speaker 1: this thing is he's still a second year quarterback that

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Speaker 1: you ostensibly think can improve, and that tends to get

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Speaker 1: left out of this whole thing. They almost talk about

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Speaker 1: bone Nicks as a finished product. Now the fact is,

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Speaker 1: and if you'd believe he can't improve, which, by the way, oh,

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Speaker 1: the last three weeks specifically, he's really taken some pretty

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Speaker 1: significant steps forward. And we can get into some more

728
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Speaker 1: of that, but he has taken some steps forward, by

729
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Speaker 1: the numbers, by the eye test, everything you want to say,

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Speaker 1: whether you don't like that they're not pushing the ball

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Speaker 1: down the field, my point of it is is we're

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Speaker 1: winning games while he's still I guess, improving, still getting

733
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Speaker 1: his feet under him on what he ultimately will be over.

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Speaker 2: The remainder of his career. We still learn in some things.

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Speaker 4: I think because the age he came into the league,

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Speaker 4: I think there were people that had that sort of

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Speaker 4: you know, Withywig, what you see is what you get,

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of kind of mentality, But nobody says

739
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Speaker 4: that about Jaden Anils is the exact same age, So

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Speaker 4: I don't, you know, I don't know where that comes from.

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Speaker 4: I think bo he's improving. I think he's I think

742
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: he's better as a quarterback this year, despite having take

743
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Speaker 4: a step back statistically, like he is almost across the board,

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Speaker 4: he's taking a step back in terms of you know,

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Speaker 4: stat lines.

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Speaker 2: And all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I mean, I

748
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Speaker 4: think he's I think he's a better, more cerebral, more

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Speaker 4: you know quarterback than he was in his rookie year.

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Speaker 2: Seems that way.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's kind of embraced a little bit

752
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Speaker 1: of the point guard mentality at times, understanding that that

753
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Speaker 1: that can be very valuable, especially for keeping the offense

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Speaker 1: on the field.

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Speaker 4: People didn't like Alex Smith, He's still won you games, now,

756
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: don't look weird.

757
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Speaker 2: Still won you games. I mean, and you like that.

758
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Speaker 1: Derek kar Komp, Well, guess what Derek Carr at times

759
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Speaker 1: was a bit of a game manager.

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Speaker 2: They had any talent around that guy would have won

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Speaker 2: a ton of games and.

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Speaker 1: They made the postseason I think once once, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then he was hurting.

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Speaker 2: They never heard he was an MVP year. Yeah he was,

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Speaker 2: he was.

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Speaker 1: But but that's what I'm saying, Like, and maybe you're thinking, boy,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great to have a Josh Allen or

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson who by the way, Lamar's having a down year,

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Speaker 1: or Patrick Mahomes. Well, everybody would want to have one

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Speaker 1: of those guys. But you have what you have, and

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Speaker 1: what you have can win. And that's really kind of

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Speaker 1: what it comes down to. And we'll see what this

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Speaker 1: is tested out, this whole theory in the postseason. But

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Speaker 1: most of the time in the postseason, you want to

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Speaker 1: have the defense, you want to have a run game.

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Speaker 1: So whatever Bonnicks does, and there may be some moments

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Speaker 1: where it is put on him in the postseason to

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Speaker 1: make certain plays, guess what he's shown that he can

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Speaker 1: do that, like when when the when the ball is

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Speaker 1: in his hands, games on.

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Speaker 2: The line, I don't. I'm nobody here is sweating Bonnick.

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Speaker 1: He has more comeback wins this year than any of

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Speaker 1: those quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Six.

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Speaker 1: He's had six comeback wins this year, more than any

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Speaker 1: of those high end quarterbacks that I just mentioned and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that he has the same stats as

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott who was having an unbelievable statistical year, or

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford who might win the MVP. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: some of those numbers, but when it counts, he shows up.

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Speaker 1: And that's more than just being a game manager.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when the game's on the line, you want bo

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00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: Nicks out there like there's no uh, there's no debate

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00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: on that, you know. I mean, he's proven that time

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Speaker 4: and time again.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. Again.

797
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Speaker 4: I you get these sease weirdos out there who don't

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Speaker 4: watch this stuff, and they all want to hammer home

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Speaker 4: some opinion, and I just I don't know. It greats

800
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Speaker 4: on my nerves because I'm like you very clearly didn't.

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Speaker 4: I haven't watched this. I can't if you hadn't seen

802
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 4: that that uh blurb, I had not. Now and now

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00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: it's going to stick in my crawl all night, because

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00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: this is gonna be something I'm gonna wind up having

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Speaker 4: to having a comment on later.

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00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been. It's been burning up social media.

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Speaker 4: You get a screenshot, copy of the screenshot, because that's

808
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Speaker 4: that's just baffling to me, Like it is absolutely baffling

809
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: to me how somebody could type that, an editor could

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Speaker 4: publish it, and knowing neither one of them watched that.

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Speaker 4: There's no there's no possible way you.

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Speaker 2: Watch that game. What it's the Ringer like this is

813
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Speaker 2: to talk about.

814
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: Like Barstool or something where where there's intentionally trying to

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Speaker 1: get clicks and trying I mean Thringers too, but I'm

816
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: just saying, like the Ringer is established, the Ringer sets

817
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: itself as a journalistic outlet where.

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Speaker 2: You know, Barstool is just a joke.

819
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, we got some great text rolling in here

820
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Speaker 1: on the ka Koumas spirit health text lines. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to those coming up next. We also have some great

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Speaker 1: sound from the coordinators. We'll do that all coming up

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Speaker 1: at five o'clock