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Speaker 1: Good morning, Welcome to the Big Outdoors News Radio seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW, Cincinnati, Chip harton once again, Tom Cross, glad

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Speaker 1: to be here. I just it's it's lovely, Tom, It's wonderful. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it got kind of it got kind of boring, just

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Speaker 1: me and Danny sitting in here for a couple of months,

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Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I can imagine. Well, but now you're

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Speaker 1: back in the saddle again. There you go, there you go.

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Speaker 2: So uh.

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Speaker 1: I reached out to Captain Jason Ice with the Kentucky

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Speaker 1: Department of Fish and Wildlife, their Law Enforcement division, to

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Speaker 1: come back in and talk about the Operation River Raid

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Speaker 1: in in in depth since the last time where we

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Speaker 1: couldn't get into many details, but we certainly can now

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Speaker 1: because I still think this is very very important. Captain,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Big Outdoors. And as a little refresher,

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Speaker 1: could you enlighten our listeners as to what Operation Raid

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Speaker 1: was and we'll get into some details.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. The Essentially,

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Speaker 3: we have been getting complaints for some time regarding the

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Speaker 3: illegal harvest of of catfish on the on the waterways,

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Speaker 3: particularly down in the western part of the state. So

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Speaker 3: our special Investigations took it and and kind of ran

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Speaker 3: with it regarding just looking into the illegal harvest kind

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Speaker 3: of how they were going about doing that, and roughly

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Speaker 3: ten months long as far as from start to finish

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Speaker 3: on kind of locating you know, worthy legal activity was going.

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Speaker 3: And then essentially we've uncovered that it came you know,

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Speaker 3: it started in western Kentucky, but then truly went across

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Speaker 3: the state over to uh to pay Lakes in the

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Speaker 1: So the the catfish that were being harvested, we're essentially

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Speaker 1: staying in state and going to pay Lakes versus leaving

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Speaker 1: the state and going coming to say, Ohio or going

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Speaker 1: to Missouri or you know, Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: The ones that we could prove yes, we don't. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if any of them are going to

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Speaker 3: able to uh to prove yes, sir. There they were

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Speaker 3: the where the rivers kind of meet and come together there.

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Speaker 2: And then uh are you talking about the Mississippi and

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Speaker 2: the High River where it comes together or where.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking what rivers?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, you have all those you have the Tennessee, Carvelo

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Speaker 3: to local processors, and then the processors are then transporting

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Speaker 3: it or they're getting it transported to the pay lakes

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Speaker 3: in the eastern part of the state of which either

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Speaker 3: we're operating with no licenses, improper licenses, very little to

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Speaker 3: no documentation, all of which they're required to have.

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Speaker 1: Are pay lakes that regulated here in Kentucky, Yes, sir?

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Speaker 1: And how how are they regulated? Is it? Do you

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Speaker 1: need to know the species coming in?

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Speaker 3: How?

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Speaker 1: How does that work? And I'm not getting a lot of.

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Speaker 3: So pay lakes they have to have a paylake license,

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Speaker 3: which then then exempts people from like if if they

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Speaker 3: have a paylak operation license, then they can like I

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Speaker 3: then they have to read they have requirements on how

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Speaker 3: many poundage of fish per surface acre of that they

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Speaker 3: many pounds per acre that they have to stock that

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Speaker 3: up the three years of records that they have to

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Speaker 1: Okay, that that's that's good to know. And we need

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Speaker 1: to check on on Ohio, Tom for crying out line.

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Speaker 1: This opens the whole. So how many individuals were involved

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Speaker 3: Fifty So we have twenty five that we have that

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Speaker 3: we're attempting to get charges on again, like, uh, some

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Speaker 3: of these charges are misdemeanor charges and some of which

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Speaker 3: are felonies. Uh. The the what we're waiting on now

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Speaker 1: Hey, Captain Ice, you hold that thought. Our guest is

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Speaker 1: Captain Jsonice with the Kentucky Department Fish and Wildlife Law

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Speaker 1: Enforcement Division on the Big Outdoors with Tom Cross and

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Speaker 1: myself news Radio seven hundred WLW, Sincenay, home of the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnai Breads. We are news Radio seven hundred w LW.

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Speaker 1: We're back the Big Outdoors. News Radio seven hundred w LW, Sincenay,

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Speaker 1: Chip Hard, Tom Cross, our guest is Captain Jason Ice,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Law Enforcement Division. And Tom,

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Speaker 1: I love Kentucky. I know you just bought your Kentucky

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Speaker 1: fishing license, but watch out. They're going to keep it

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Speaker 1: high on you. But if if nothing anyways, if law

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Speaker 1: checking your trunk and your cooler and everything else. So

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Operation River Raid, which came down initially

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Speaker 1: a couple of months back, but now we're free to

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Speaker 1: discuss it more at length. And Tom, I know you had.

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Speaker 2: A question that the break see these twenty five individuals

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Speaker 3: Several So it's not twenty five operations, but it is

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Speaker 3: twenty five obviously individual people. But that's not all commercial fishermen.

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Speaker 3: That's twenty five that's involved of both illegal fishermen and

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Speaker 1: Well, there obviously must be some money, some good money

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Speaker 1: commit this kind of crime. If you will, well a

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Speaker 1: much as a big catfish for us on a pay lex.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of fun. Do we talk money,

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Speaker 1: we're talking here.

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Speaker 3: Well, so it's it's hard to say on some of

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Speaker 3: it because of the lack of records that were found. However,

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Speaker 3: you know, anywhere from cents or a dollar a pound

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Speaker 3: we had documented over three hundred thousand pounds that we know,

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's all. That is a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of fish. But so these weren't processed for food. They

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Speaker 1: were actually everything was going to pay lakes. Other majority

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Speaker 1: of it is yeah, it's all catfish, right, yes, sir, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that didn't involve oh, what's the filter of paddlefish?

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Speaker 3: No, no, this this only was the sale of catfish

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Speaker 3: that went to various lakes across the state. Uh. Off hand,

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Speaker 3: I think it's about let's see here, I got the counties.

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Speaker 3: I believe it's about four to five different.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta tell you, Captain. For for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just the algorithm of my computers, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just getting barraged with UH from a number of

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Speaker 1: that has actually been happening lately. All right, have efforts

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Speaker 1: been ramping up to go after uh, you know people

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Speaker 1: taking advantage of our resources. Yeah, yeah, wildlife in fractions.

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Speaker 3: So we've always put a put a premium on enforcing,

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Speaker 3: but since my time that I've been associated with where

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Speaker 3: I'm currently at it in our I'm not assigned to

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Speaker 3: a particular area of the state over the state wide

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Speaker 3: is extremely lucrative, and as you've seen here with the catfish,

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Speaker 3: it is an area that is under enforced. You know

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Speaker 3: that I did. I had no idea that this is uh,

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Speaker 3: that it was this egregious. Yeah, but we're making making

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Speaker 3: extreme efforts to try to uh to investigate and look

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Speaker 3: if people are taking you know, Yeah, a quarter billion

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just I think all the states you know,

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Speaker 1: seem to be really I think they've always put a

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Speaker 3: This case was extremely egregious. It was very eye opening

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Speaker 3: for myself and everybody involved.

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Speaker 1: All Right, well, listen, you know, we appreciate the work

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Speaker 1: you guys do. We're getting ready to hit a break,

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Speaker 1: so we want to get into this other investigation that

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Speaker 1: I got information on, and we'll do that with my

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Speaker 1: friend Tom Cross here at seven hundred wlw's Big Outdoors.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's just weird hamming somebody else around

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Speaker 1: we're gonna heait a break. Be right back home in

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds, and we're back the Big Outdoors News

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Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, Chip Hard Tom Cross heading

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour. Gary Jeff will be next

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Speaker 1: just endless. It's just endless, you know. Then you got

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Speaker 1: doing what they do. Yeah, I know that whole she's

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Speaker 1: We've got more here than all the other media outlets

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Speaker 1: Captain Jason Nice is with a Kentucky Department of Fishing

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Speaker 1: water like law enforcement, and so Jason tell us about

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Speaker 1: the recent poaching of what elk white tail deer with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not as familiar with this case as

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Speaker 3: as I am. The catfish cases come out of one

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Speaker 3: And then so they worked in collaboration with one another.

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Speaker 3: Essentially they Tennessee did an interview with the man and

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Speaker 3: And after the interview, the man admitted to UH to

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Speaker 3: shooting illegally the elk, entering the hand, entering the land

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Speaker 3: unlawfully the hunt, as well as shooting from the public roadway.

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Speaker 3: So then you know, working back and forth with warden Fields,

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Speaker 3: Wardenfields took out the charges here in Kentucky and it's

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Speaker 3: in Martin County, which is over in the mountains. And

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Speaker 3: then I believe the man pled guilty to one count

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Speaker 2: Is Martin County border Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe, so, no, sir, I think it's a

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Speaker 3: little bit. I think that's Bell County that you're thinking

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you gotta wonder about these people. Put put

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Speaker 1: me in the head of these guys. Put me put

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Speaker 1: me in the head. I mean, you've been around them

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Speaker 1: some other way to make a buck illegally? And if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't, this would be some other crime they're committed to.

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Speaker 1: These people. Oh, I gotta hear the question. I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of these people that they have previous records.

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Speaker 3: It's been my experience, you know, being with the agency

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Speaker 3: but many of the individuals that I have come across

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Speaker 3: been many of them that that also have other violations

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Speaker 1: What does guy do as though his deer or no,

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Speaker 1: did he eat these things? Or was he selling the

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Speaker 3: I don't think there was any type of commercialize like

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Speaker 3: telling of anything. But as we well know that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Kentucky highly solid after for the populations we have, especially

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Speaker 3: on the eastern part of the United States. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if this one was particularly but but we do

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Speaker 3: have some, you know, obviously great bulls in Kentucky that.

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Speaker 1: Yes you do, yes you do. And I've been trying

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Speaker 1: to get up, been trying to win that raffle for

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Speaker 1: a tip for a tag for twenty years. Well listen,

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Speaker 1: Captain ized, we appreciate your time this morning and keeping

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Speaker 1: us up to date, and we'll continue to uh do

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Speaker 1: our service to the great state of Kentucky and put

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Speaker 1: this this kind of thing out there and and uh

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Speaker 1: everybody else. You know, if you see something, say something,

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Speaker 1: call their tip. What is your tip line in Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: It's on eighth and twenty five Alert or if you're

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Speaker 3: into texting, you can text KfW law KfW law.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well we're out there. We're backing you. We're

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Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. Captain, thank you for your time

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Speaker 1: and your service.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, yes, sir, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, Tom Uh, it was good. I know it

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Speaker 1: was great. We got to hit a break, so we'll

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Speaker 1: do that, come back and shoot the bulls some more.

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Speaker 1: How about that?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Chip Hard Tom crossed the Big Outdoors News Radio

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Speaker 1: seven hundred w l W Cincinnati, the Cincinnati home of

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reads. Well Tom uh in your capacities as

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Speaker 1: executive director of the Adams County Visitors Bureau, the muckbreaking

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Speaker 1: journalist for the Adams County UH Defender newspaper, and of

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Speaker 1: course you now have this celebrity column in Ohio Outdoor News.

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Speaker 1: I just two months went pie and look at all

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Speaker 1: this craft that happens.

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Speaker 2: I know it. Man, I got famous overnight. And then

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Speaker 2: I think it must have been a slow newsweek.

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Speaker 4: Whatever is a slow news winter win was snow's piled

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Speaker 4: up looking for But anyways, on the news they are

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Speaker 4: talking trout beginning this well they this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh in Ohio the trout. The trout are being

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Speaker 2: put in various lakes. That's how well continue undo April.

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Speaker 1: Tens of thousands and utens a thousand.

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Speaker 2: I think we'll get probably u maybe twenty five or

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Speaker 2: thirty there aund in Blake. But yeah, and that but anyways, uh, yes,

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Speaker 2: that's good good news.

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Speaker 1: And that's great. Yeah, I love that. I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: The large mouth pass and the channel catfish and all

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Speaker 1: the flat and flat adds. They love to eat those

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Speaker 1: little silver bullets. Man. That is that is like nutrient

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Speaker 1: protein city. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why they select certain lakes to put

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Speaker 2: them in with not a lot of catfish and very

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Speaker 2: big passing okay, not.

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Speaker 1: A lot of porridge okay, not a lot of forge.

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Speaker 2: And we got their wildlife cancel with the proposed h

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Speaker 2: hunting days, which are not much different than last year beyond.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you don't really.

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Speaker 1: See any surprises in these freshly Odin or anymore.

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Speaker 2: You just look at him.

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Speaker 1: Well, well you know what. That's smart, okay, because then

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Speaker 1: they don't take a lot of abuse over things.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: If you change something and there comes out cry, that's right,

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Speaker 1: you know. And but Adams County is on the map

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Speaker 1: these days anyway. Yeah, Yeah, we've got a little, big,

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Speaker 1: big thing going on there. Yeah, I know, you guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna put in atomic nuclear plant or something like that. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Tom's out of here. Gary Jeff

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Speaker 1: is next the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: l W Cincinnati. Be Safe in the woods, Safe in

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Speaker 1: the Water, and Danny have a great weekend. Okay. Back