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Speaker 4: Then I thought I thought the same thing. But it's

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Speaker 4: Everybody was paid to go, but some people were all right,

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Speaker 4: He's just a liar, plain and simple. Anybody paying half

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Speaker 4: Only after the further fraud, especially the House Stabilization Services,

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Speaker 4: Dan Wolgelmont said he'll create an anonymous tip line for

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Speaker 4: cool tip line. I think they're going to use the former.

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Speaker 4: It's the same number where you could have called to

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Speaker 3: They're stealing from US fraud sweeping Minnesota, the ultimate get

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Speaker 2: You all come to understand the magnitude of the fraud problem.

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Speaker 5: Prosecutors predicting a staggering total cost billions billions, All that

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Speaker 3: I think there's more? But how did we get here?

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Speaker 4: I think this is a much bigger issue than just

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Speaker 3: And what is next? How many times did I call DHS?

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Speaker 4: Digging for answers on where it went, missed warning signs.

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Speaker 3: Same fight games and whether it could have been avoided?

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Speaker 4: Stop the Steel Rally, John, Your memory is very short.

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Speaker 4: When I was making the comparisons to the No Kings

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Speaker 4: But now we have an issue that's affecting everybody that's

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Speaker 3: They know just how much attention.

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Speaker 2: The example I'll give is one million seconds is about

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Speaker 6: Following the money is a full time job for federal

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Speaker 4: Let me posit here really quick. So the question that

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Speaker 4: But as we know now, it's two billion at least,

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Speaker 4: Governor Tim Walls isn't hiding that we could and should

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Speaker 6: Historic third term as governor and his team at the

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Speaker 2: I think we've all come to understand the magnitude of

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Speaker 3: Thompson made headlines this summer.

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Speaker 6: In this interview with five Eyewitness News reporter Jake Holes.

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Speaker 5: He expects the scope of fraudulent use of taxpayer's money

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Speaker 2: You stand by that, Yeah, I was actually surprised that

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Speaker 3: You weren't really surprised, were you?

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Speaker 3: I thought that was obvious.

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Speaker 6: Do you ever worry about fraudsters being emboldened that maybe

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 2: One of the issues in vherus argue at sentencing. One

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Speaker 2: ten percent chance you get caught, maybe only five percent

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Speaker 2: Would you do it? I suspect there's a line of

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Speaker 3: He calls it white collar crime on steroids.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't one of these ponds. He seems it goes

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Speaker 6: Is there a chance the same stuff was going on

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. You went to Stanford, I'm from California.

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Speaker 6: Would you be surprised if they unearthed some level of

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are big fraud schemes in California, but

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Speaker 6: Is there a danger of becoming too jaded, too cynical

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Speaker 2: Well, every time I think I'm too cynical, realize I'm

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Speaker 3: Not yet now.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it's complacency.

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Speaker 3: It's not caring.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: They care now, I meaning Democrats and Governor Tim Walls,

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Speaker 4: keep in bare arms. The Supreme Court set on Monday,

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Speaker 1: It's really refreshing to see real journalism actually occur and

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Speaker 1: But thank goodness for Liz Collins and other real journalists

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm just done.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I did not see this interview, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I understand Sean what you're saying there, and thank you

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Speaker 3: You know they had two back to back there.

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Speaker 4: him on those questions actually provides an individual like US

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Speaker 3: It's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad that the media outlets are covering this more

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Speaker 4: so they're covering stories about it. And as we've been

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Speaker 4: acknowledging those individuals that have been paving the way on

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Speaker 4: these issues, and the same thing rings true when it

447
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Speaker 4: comes to our next guest of Friend of the Show,

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Speaker 4: Rob Door and the Minnesota GANA Owner's Caucus, especially relating

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Speaker 4: to your Second Amendment rights. I mean, the Minnesota Gun

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Speaker 4: Owners Caucus is an organization that's been on top of

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Speaker 4: this consistently when it comes to the DFL's desire to

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Speaker 4: go and take away your right to keep and bear arms.

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Speaker 4: And typically the media arrives late on issues that the

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Speaker 4: Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus was on top of before they

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Speaker 4: were Good morning, Rob, how you doing this?

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Speaker 3: Morning, sir.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing all right. Yeah. We always enjoy doing the

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Speaker 5: media's job for them and pointing out all the things

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Speaker 5: that they're missing. So as do you.

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Speaker 4: Listen before we get to the Supreme Court and marijuana

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Speaker 4: usage and firearm ownership.

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Speaker 3: And I know we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 4: But I figured I wanted to get you back on

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Speaker 4: so you could share your thoughts. It appears that this

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Speaker 4: special session, Rob is all but dead. That Governor Tim

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Speaker 4: Watson is going to call relating to gun reform, and

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Speaker 4: now he's going to go and conduct these town halls.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised that he was.

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Speaker 4: Going to be doing them in GOP districts, but in

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Speaker 4: my view, Rob Door, it would have been more beneficial

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Speaker 4: if he went to those DFL districts on the Senate side,

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Speaker 4: where he still wouldn't have the votes for passing any

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Speaker 4: of these assaults on.

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Speaker 5: We don't talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry? Do I sad?

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Speaker 5: All the Republicans fault, All the Republicans fault that the

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Speaker 5: that the DFL doesn't have the votes to pass there

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Speaker 5: the extreme agenda. Keep blaming Republicans.

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Speaker 4: Is that the sole reason why he's not calling the

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Speaker 4: special session.

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Speaker 3: Or is there more to all of this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we we know he doesn't have the votes

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Speaker 4: on his own side for the d for the DFL

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Speaker 4: in the Senate. But I'm curious, robs are to get

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Speaker 4: your thoughts on, especially because the amount of time that

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Speaker 4: you spended the legislator legislature covering this stuff, and what

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Speaker 4: are your thoughts on why Walls has has pulled off

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Speaker 4: of this.

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Speaker 5: Well, so I think that the heat has died down

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Speaker 5: a little bit from from him trying to capitalize on

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Speaker 5: the tragedy. I do know from some sources at the

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Speaker 5: Capital that Walls go to a Senate DFL caucus and

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Speaker 5: attempted to, you know, talk to them, and I guess

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Speaker 5: there was broad consensus that a special session was not

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Speaker 5: a good idea in that and I imagine that that

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Speaker 5: pushback was coming from you know, the three or four

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Speaker 5: Democrat senators, but also the leadership who doesn't want to

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Speaker 5: hang those senators out to dry that they they have

499
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Speaker 5: been on record, at least two of them had been

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Speaker 5: on record saying that they don't support assault weapons bans.

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Speaker 5: So now you know the governor was going to be

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Speaker 5: putting them on the spot. And I guess he was

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Speaker 5: not very receptive to that message. He saw this as

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Speaker 5: an opportunity to kind of capitalize on tragedy. And my

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Speaker 5: guess is that they just want out. I think they

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Speaker 5: were banking on the idea that they could blame Republicans

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Speaker 5: for not taking action, which you know they certainly will

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Speaker 5: come election time. But you know, we have session coming

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Speaker 5: up in just a couple of short months here and

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Speaker 5: the but the messaging has been, you know, Republicans are

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Speaker 5: standing in the way, but we've been very loud and

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Speaker 5: very adamant, to the point where even the media has

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Speaker 5: has had to notice, you know, to your earlier point

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Speaker 5: that it's not that Republicans, it's the Democrats. That if

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Speaker 5: the Democrats had the vote, they could pass a bill

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Speaker 5: through the Senate, punted over to the Republicans and then

517
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Speaker 5: blame them all day long. But they know, channeling my

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Speaker 5: finest Hamilton here, you don't have the votes backing.

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Speaker 4: Up a little further on the issue, the do you

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Speaker 4: think that the fact that Governor Tim Walls thought that

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Speaker 4: he would have an edge to you know, pass an

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Speaker 4: assault weapons ban or high capacity magazines, and you know,

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Speaker 4: the appetite for that seem to one may not have

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Speaker 4: been there to you know, to begin with, but died

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Speaker 4: down relatively quickly. I'm just wondering, Rob, if you see

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Speaker 4: this as a sign nationally that efforts like yourself in

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Speaker 4: the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus and other second pro Second

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Speaker 4: Amendment groups, that this is a positive example of the

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Speaker 4: efforts made inasmuch as more and more people realize that,

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Speaker 4: you know, stripping away the rights from lawful gun owners

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Speaker 4: is not the way to go and look at solving

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Speaker 4: these potential tragedies in the future. Do you see this

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Speaker 4: as as progress, Rob, You know, I.

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Speaker 5: Do, just because you know, I think people are beginning

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Speaker 5: to ask questions when these proposals come up, especially the media,

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Speaker 5: questions that they didn't normally ask before because, you know,

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Speaker 5: when in the wake of the tragedy, they made sure

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Speaker 5: that they ran pulls while people's emotions were still high

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Speaker 5: and ignorance about the event, how it transpired and what

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Speaker 5: weapons were actually used were it was still abounding. You know,

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Speaker 5: in the wake of a tragedy, you're going to get

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Speaker 5: you know, sixty percent of the metro, which is about

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Speaker 5: what they got, less than fifty percent of Greater Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: But who just say, yeah, ban assault weapons because nobody

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Speaker 5: needs an assault weapon. But their idea of what an

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Speaker 5: assault weapon is is, you know, a fully automatic machine

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Speaker 5: gun that you you know, saw in is see in

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Speaker 5: action movies. When when the media starts asking questions like

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Speaker 5: well what about the ones that people already own, and

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Speaker 5: then the other side doesn't have an answer, Now people

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Speaker 5: start realizing, well, okay, well I don't own a machine gun,

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Speaker 5: but now my gun you could be banned, or you know,

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Speaker 5: my my husband's or my wife's or my sons. You know,

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Speaker 5: you're trying to turn them into criminals. I think people

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Speaker 5: start well once those questions are asked, and it's really

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Speaker 5: glaring that the policy is really unclear, and to this day,

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Speaker 5: neither the Walls nor the anti gun Democrats have provided

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Speaker 5: the actual language of the of a bill that they

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Speaker 5: want to pass. And so when all those questions are

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Speaker 5: out there, I think people start getting more skeptical of

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Speaker 5: the overall policy.

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Speaker 3: Do you expect this is going to come up next year?

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Speaker 3: I assuming it'll go ahead.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's enough radically anti gunners in the Senate

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Speaker 5: that I'll try to make this an issue.

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's go here.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about this in the past, but the Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court said yesterday that it is going to consider whether

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Speaker 4: people who regularly smoke marijuana can legally own guns. The arguments,

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Speaker 4: they say, will probably take place early next year, with

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Speaker 4: the decision likely early summer of next year. The Republican administration,

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Speaker 4: working off of an ap story, favors Second Amendment rights,

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Speaker 4: but the government attorneys argue that the ban is a

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Speaker 4: justifiable restriction the Supreme Court. Excuse me, Donald Trump's administration

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Speaker 4: is asking for the justices to revive a case against

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Speaker 4: the Texas man charged with the felony because he allegedly

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Speaker 4: had a gun in his home and acknowledged being a

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Speaker 4: regular pot user. This department appealed after the lower court

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Speaker 4: largely struck down a law that bars people who use

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Speaker 4: any illegal drugs from having guns. So there's a few

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Speaker 4: more points in here. But Rob, I mean, what are

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Speaker 4: your thoughts on this? And I know we've talked about

583
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Speaker 4: it before, but sort of reiterate your stance on what

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court is going to take up regarding marijuana

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Speaker 4: usage and legally owning firearms.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, this is a little bit disappointing. You know,

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Speaker 5: Pam Bondy's just a Department of Justice has been kind

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Speaker 5: of on a seesaw where they'll step in and defend

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Speaker 5: gun rights in one breath, and then the other side

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Speaker 5: try to try to take them away. You know, this

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Speaker 5: doesn't bode well for the underlying case. About seventy percent

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Speaker 5: of the time when you know, the Supreme Court takes

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Speaker 5: up a case that's you know, on a direct appeal

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Speaker 5: from a from a lower circuit without a circuit split

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Speaker 5: or you know that means a different circuit coming up

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Speaker 5: with a different opinion, they overturn the underlying circuit. So

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Speaker 5: the circuit's ruling in this is fairly vulnerable. And you know,

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Speaker 5: the question has always been what does an unlawful user

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Speaker 5: or addicted to me, because that's the language used in

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Speaker 5: USC nine twenty two that says, if you're an unlawful

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Speaker 5: user or addicted to a controlled substance, then you're prohibited

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Speaker 5: from possessing a gun. What the Fifth Circuit found is

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Speaker 5: that well at the time of the nation's founding, which

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Speaker 5: in the light of the Broon decision from twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: says any gun control restrictions that are applyed today have

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Speaker 5: to have been similar to laws that existed at the

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Speaker 5: time of the country's founding. I don't think anybody agrees

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Speaker 5: with and I think the history supports that if you're intoxicated,

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Speaker 5: if you are under the influence of the drug or alcohol,

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Speaker 5: that you shouldn't be able to carry that that's a

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Speaker 5: dangerous activity. And I think the history supports that, and

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Speaker 5: I think just common sense supports that. But there's so

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Speaker 5: much ambiguity with the law as it is. Is that,

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Speaker 5: you know, just because you own alcohol in your home

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean that you're carrying around a gun while you're intoxicated.

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Speaker 5: And I think along the same lines is just because

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Speaker 5: you might be a medical or recreational cannabis user, that

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean that you're always you know, when you go

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Speaker 5: out in public and you're carrying a firearm in self defense,

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Speaker 5: that you're going to be high and dangerous at the time.

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Speaker 4: So the Justice Department argued that the law is valid

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Speaker 4: when used against regular drug users because they pose a

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Speaker 4: serious public safety risk. To what you were saying. Talking

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Speaker 4: with Rob dor from the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, the

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Speaker 4: government said the FBI found this would be the case

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Speaker 4: re relating to Ali Denial Hamani, and the government said

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Speaker 4: the FBI found that Harmani's gun and cocaine in the

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Speaker 4: search of his home, as they probe to travel and

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Speaker 4: communications allegedly linked to Iran. The gun charge was the

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Speaker 4: only one filed, however, and as lawmakers said, the other

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Speaker 4: allegations were irrelevant and were mentioned only to make him

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Speaker 4: seem more dangerous. Now, the case does mark another flashpoint

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Speaker 4: application relating to the particular issue, the application of the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court's a new test for firearm restrictions. The conservative

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Speaker 4: majority found in twenty twenty two that the Second Amendment

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Speaker 4: generally gives people the right to carry guns in public

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Speaker 4: for self defense, and any firearm restrictions must have strong

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Speaker 4: grounding in the nation's history. So the landmark twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two ruling, by the way, and I'm waiting. We had

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Speaker 4: to disconnect on Rob's phone, so we're waiting for him

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Speaker 4: to call back here in just a moment. The landmark

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two ruling led to a cascade of challenges

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Speaker 4: to firearm laws around the country, though the justices have

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Speaker 4: since upheld a different federal law intended to protect victims

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Speaker 4: of the domestic violence by barring guns from people under

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Speaker 4: restraining orders. Rob is there any indication from you without knowing?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the justices are going to take this up

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Speaker 4: next year, so we don't really know exactly as I

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Speaker 4: haven't seen unless you've heard something else, any sort of

650
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Speaker 4: comments on which way they might go on this. But

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Speaker 4: is there any sort of speculation on how the Supreme

652
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Speaker 4: Court might might end up going this way? Or do

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Speaker 4: we have to wait until we hear some of their

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Speaker 4: comments next year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see some of the briefs pretty soon. Here.

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Speaker 5: I think the the you know, the numbers aren't aren't there.

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Speaker 5: I think I mentioned earlier about seventy percent of the

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Speaker 5: time when they take up a case like this, you know,

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Speaker 5: directly from a lower court, they end up overturning what

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Speaker 5: the lower court said. So, you know, if you're a

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Speaker 5: betting person, the safe moneys on that they're going to

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Speaker 5: agree with the Trump administration that these people should be disarmed.

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Speaker 5: You know, it is an interesting situation. The facts of

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Speaker 5: this case aren't, you know, aren't the best and they

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Speaker 5: always say bad facts make bad law, where this guy

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Speaker 5: just admitted to being very frequently high. I guess they

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Speaker 5: might not get a direct win on this, but I

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Speaker 5: think getting some more guidance on what constitutes an unlawful user?

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Speaker 5: Does that mean, you know, because in Minnesota, for example,

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Speaker 5: you can recreationally use cannabis legal under Minnesota law, and

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Speaker 5: the federal government has made it a policy that they

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Speaker 5: don't enforce personal cannabis use. They're not going to criminalize that.

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Speaker 5: So are you actually an unlawful user at that point

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Speaker 5: if you're not breaking state law and you're not breaking

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Speaker 5: a law that the federal government intends to enforce. If

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Speaker 5: nothing else, we'll get some more guidance and clarity about

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Speaker 5: you know what the distinction is.

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Speaker 3: Rob dor from the Minnesota Gunnor's Caucus.

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Speaker 4: Anything going on with your group you want to mention

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Speaker 4: before I cut you loose this morning.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so tomorrow at least two cities that we know

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Speaker 5: about are taking up bans on assault weapons at the

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Speaker 5: local level, something that they can't do under current state law.

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Speaker 5: We are looking for plaintiffs who are looking to sue

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Speaker 5: their city. So I've got two requests for people. One,

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Speaker 5: if you live in the city of a Diana or

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Speaker 5: Saint Paul, get in touch with us. Go to Gun

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Speaker 5: Owners dot MN. If you're interested in potentially being a

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Speaker 5: plaintiff in one of these cases, and everybody else, keep

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Speaker 5: an eye on your local city councils, because there's a

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Speaker 5: whole cabal of city councils and mayors that are looking

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Speaker 5: to pass ordinances banning common firearms standard standard capacity magazines,

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Speaker 5: forcing you to store your firearms in a government mandated way.

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Speaker 5: And if you see them coming up on your city

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Speaker 5: council agendas, let us know and start checking immediately, because

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Speaker 5: these are they're moving fast right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how are they going to pull that?

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Speaker 4: You can't I mean, as you mentioned, I mean with

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Speaker 4: with preemption, right, we can't do this anyhow, So how

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Speaker 4: are they Is this all just just a political theater rob.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it is. But the issue is that they're they're

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Speaker 5: trying to side step it by putting language, you know,

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Speaker 5: in the bill that Okay, we're going to pass us,

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Speaker 5: but we're not actually going to enforce it until preemption's over. Uh.

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Speaker 5: And the problem with that is the problem with that

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Speaker 5: is that people are going to you know, if you're

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Speaker 5: moving to a city, you don't know any of this

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Speaker 5: ridiculous showmanship that the cities were engaged. And you look

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Speaker 5: at the Sydney or city ordinances and you look at

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Speaker 5: it and says, oh my gosh, I can't own uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, my standard capacity magazine in the city. You're

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Speaker 5: not going to do it, uh, And that chills your

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Speaker 5: exercise of a right that you already have. So that

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Speaker 5: confusion is harmful to the public, and that's what we'll

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Speaker 5: be suing over.

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Speaker 4: I had a quick question that rolled in. I'll just

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Speaker 4: read it to you rather than play the entirety of

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Speaker 4: the talk back. But they the individual had a domestic

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Speaker 4: when they were nineteen, they're now forty two years old.

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Speaker 4: Are they still banned from using or having guns?

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Speaker 3: Rob?

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Speaker 5: Depending on what type of case it was, possibly there

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Speaker 5: is a restoration of rights process that you can go

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Speaker 5: to that's typically pretty successful on old cases like that.

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Speaker 5: He can reach out to me Gun Owners dot MN

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Speaker 5: if he wants to chat some more about it.

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Speaker 4: Rob Door, Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus. As always, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for coming on the show this morning. Man,

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it anytime.

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Speaker 5: John, Thank you for having me. So.

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Speaker 4: Keeping with the theme of pot, we still can't sell

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Speaker 4: it recreationally properly, so recreational cannabis businesses sorry from Channel

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Speaker 4: five are struggling to find flour to stalk the shelves

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Speaker 4: months after getting their license. They basically have been able

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Speaker 4: to open up their dispensaries to sell legalized recreational marijuana,

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Speaker 4: but they can't get any marijuana to sell, which makes

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Speaker 4: for a bad shopping experience.

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Speaker 3: And a liter a literal buzzkill. I'll be here all morning.

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Speaker 4: Some owners believe the shortage of suppliers and delays with

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Speaker 4: the Office of Cannabis Management are fueling the problem.

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Speaker 3: Wait, what give me?

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Speaker 4: The government's office dealing with cannabis.

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Speaker 3: Management might be part of the issue.

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Speaker 4: I'm shocked one dispensary is still waiting on a recreational

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Speaker 4: marijuana to fill the shelves right now. Supply isn't catching

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Speaker 4: up with demand. This summer, the OCM received or excuse me,

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Speaker 4: issued thirty seven business licenses statewide, and again, where are

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Speaker 4: the three years out from legalizing this, including twenty three

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Speaker 4: for retailers to sell recreational cannabis. A mid September update

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Speaker 4: on the state website said those businesses are still waiting

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Speaker 4: for cultivat manufacturers and testing facilities to supply the product.

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Speaker 4: At least two of the growers are tribal nations with

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Speaker 4: agreements that allow them to help stock the shelves. Some

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Speaker 4: owners explain that reaching out to the cultivators has also

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Speaker 4: been a challenge. Another retailer said they're all seeing the

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Speaker 4: same problem. Meedicals and THC drinks are keeping doors open,

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Speaker 4: but getting their hands on flower is the goal. Like

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Speaker 4: how they call it flowers called pot ganjah.

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Speaker 3: Flower.

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Speaker 4: Some business owners fear that playing the waiting game any

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Speaker 4: longer could end up costing them. One owner said, the

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Speaker 4: Office of Cannabis Business Management, it's like they're putting people

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Speaker 4: out of business. They've done nothing, they haven't directed us.

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Speaker 4: They basically have been like, just figure it out yourself.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I just it's such a joke, in such

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Speaker 4: an absolute joke. But don't worry. Everybody that paid family

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Speaker 4: sick leave. When that starts on January first, it's going

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Speaker 4: to be fantastic. I'm going to add to this commentary

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Speaker 4: same day driver's license program has been discontinued after reported issues,

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Speaker 4: just to add it to the list. I also have

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Speaker 4: a funny, rather interesting story out of the New York

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Speaker 4: Post relating to marijuana and a Karen who was living

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Speaker 4: next door to a pot user actually won a landmark

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Speaker 4: court case.

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Speaker 3: We'll give you details.

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Speaker 4: Next, we'll get back to more of your comments from

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