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Speaker 2: formally know as the Marline Loggerhouse right next to GABP.

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Speaker 2: If you've missed it, you see did make an official today.

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Speaker 2: Jared Calhoun hired as the new head coach at U see.

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Speaker 2: So we didn't do an All Bengals Hour on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: It remains to me astounding, astounding.

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Speaker 2: But don't you think it would be interesting if you

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much?

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Speaker 3: Mo very welcome.

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Speaker 4: Congratulator. Congratulations to mister Calhoun. Sounds like a positive feel

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Speaker 2: This comes down to getting dudes and winning games, and

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Speaker 5: I heard radio Joey Vado has a gifted the Reds

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, excited for the Calhoun era and you

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Speaker 2: the NCAA itself have to adhere to or will they

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Speaker 2: essentially ignore it.

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Speaker 6: They're not going to essentially ignore it, but no, it's

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Speaker 6: very unlikely that that's going to be binding on them.

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Speaker 6: They're private businesses that have contracts to air games at

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Speaker 6: certain times and certain games on certain networks. An executive

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Speaker 6: order can't control you know, when ESPN studs their playoff

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Speaker 6: games and you know when Army and Navy are put

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Speaker 6: on that said MO, there's clearly a lot of indirect

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Speaker 6: pressure that it's going to put on it, and it

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Speaker 6: can it kind of alter things in different ways, like

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Speaker 6: attaching federal funding to you know, requirements to federal fundings

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Speaker 6: of things that benefit the networks or or benefit the

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Speaker 6: powers that be in the sport. So it certainly creates

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Speaker 6: indirect pressure to comply and have some sort of compromise.

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Speaker 2: So if the people who run the college football Playoff decide,

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Speaker 2: you know what we're gonna put first round games opposite

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Speaker 2: the Army Navy game. Aside from public pressure and aside

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Speaker 2: from maybe whatever the President might put on social media,

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Speaker 2: there's there's nothing legally that can stop them from doing that.

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Speaker 6: Very unlikely, very unlikely. That said, there's gonna be a

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Speaker 6: lot of public pressure with it, and it can hit them,

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Speaker 6: like I said, in indirect ways with different you know,

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Speaker 6: federal fundings that can be taken away or you know,

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Speaker 6: different requirements that can be changed if they don't do

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Speaker 6: certain things. So in all likelihood there'll be some sort

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Speaker 6: of compromise, and you know, perhaps they leave that time

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Speaker 6: splot open for Army Navy as a standalone game and

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Speaker 6: you know, have to playoff games before and after and

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Speaker 6: that same day. You know, that would be a logical,

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Speaker 6: you know, one of the logical conclusions to something like that.

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Speaker 2: You and I have talked about prediction markets like Calshie

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Speaker 2: and polymarkets. So there's a new bill that has been

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Speaker 2: introduced this as a bipartisan piece of legislation introduced in

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Speaker 2: the Senate this week that would ban such prediction markets

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Speaker 2: like Calshi and polymarket from accepting or listing transactions related

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Speaker 2: to sporting events. So what might this mean for folks

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Speaker 2: who like to use cal she and polymarket.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's very interesting.

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Speaker 6: You know, we'll see what happens here. But if it

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Speaker 6: goes through Congress, I mean, this is absolutely within congress

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Speaker 6: a jurisdiction to you know, to pass the law banning

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Speaker 6: a sports from being from being used in prediction markets

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Speaker 6: that they choose to do. So, Uh, there's going to

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Speaker 6: be a lobbyists on all sides of this. Certainly the

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Speaker 6: state they're going to want to law banning Matt you know,

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Speaker 6: Draft Kings fan Duel and all the regular sports putting websites.

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Speaker 6: They are going to want that band too because they

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Speaker 6: want the business. So the lobbyists are going to get involved.

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Speaker 6: But also how big of a priority is this going

487
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Speaker 6: to be for Congress as well too? It's a very

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Speaker 6: interesting topic. But we'll see how long it takes for

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Speaker 6: them to get there. But it does appe appear that

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Speaker 6: there is some bipartisan support to it most so it's

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Speaker 6: going to be really interesting to see where it takes off.

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Speaker 6: But if it passes, it could be the end of

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Speaker 6: prediction markets in terms of sports.

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Speaker 2: Is this one of the only pieces of bipartisan legislation

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Speaker 2: that's out there, because it feels like I'd never read

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Speaker 2: about anything that's actually bipartisan anymore.

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Speaker 4: It certainly seems that way. Ye, it definitely seems that way, Mo.

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it definitely does. What is the likelihood that something

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Speaker 2: like this actually gets through.

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Speaker 6: Well, we'll see. I mean, Congress has bigger things on

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Speaker 6: their plate. They have to pass budgets. We've got to

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Speaker 6: shut down right now. We'll see how much of a

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Speaker 6: priority it is for them. And a lot, like I said,

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Speaker 6: the lobbyists get involved whether it gets passed or not.

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Speaker 6: As anybody's guest, quite frankly, Yeah, but it's very interesting

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Speaker 6: and there's going to be some powerful people on both

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Speaker 6: sides that want to see something happen one way or another.

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Speaker 2: How stoked were you in VC you beat North Carolina

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Speaker 2: essentially and in the Hubert Davis era, MO.

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Speaker 6: I literally almost hit a backflip in my basement as

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Speaker 6: I watched it. I was very close to attempting it,

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Speaker 6: and that was the only moment of my life. I

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Speaker 6: think I had enough adrenaline in me that I could

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Speaker 6: have pulled it off.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I wish I would have been there for that I

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Speaker 3: wish I would have seen that.

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Speaker 2: Next time a backflip is possible, let me know so somebody.

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Speaker 3: Can video it. We'll bring the canvas most definitely. All right,

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Speaker 3: you're the man. We'll talk next week. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you from the Manila Law Group. That's our guy.

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Speaker 2: sports talk radio shows where you get a segment where

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Speaker 2: they talk about by part in legislation. Army Navy game

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Speaker 2: is currently at the top of my bucket list. I

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Speaker 2: don't believe in anybody telling networks what they can or

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Speaker 2: can't do, but there is a large part of me

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Speaker 2: How that happens when that happens. Not necessarily sure, I

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Speaker 2: want anybody in the government dictating it, but it'd be

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Speaker 2: kind of cool if it did. There you go, there's me.

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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament ratings, and this has been a thing of

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Speaker 2: to wrestle with. And in society we have rules. It

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Speaker 2: feels like in college sports we don't have a ton

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Speaker 2: One of the takeaways that a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: the tournament is that Cinderellas are dead and like we

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Speaker 2: do have one double digit seated team in the sweet sixteen,

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Speaker 2: it's Texas. Texas, the most well funded athletic department in

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Speaker 2: the country. Doesn't exactly feel like a Cinderella. Me the

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Speaker 2: obvious culprit is well nil nil, and the portal if

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Speaker 2: you get a really good player at a low major

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Speaker 2: or a high major, he or she is not going

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Speaker 2: to stay there for long, and in men's basketball to

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Speaker 2: he not gonna stay there for long because they're gonna

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Speaker 2: go to a bigger school where they can make more money.

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Speaker 2: It is a fair observation. What I don't hear anybody

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Speaker 2: pointing to, though, as a culprit for the decline in Cinderella's,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure how many of us really like

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Speaker 2: Cinderella's is conference realignment. Think of all of the leagues

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Speaker 2: that have been made weaker by the strengthening of the

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Speaker 2: Big Ten, the SEC, the Big Twelve in the Big East.

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Speaker 2: I say this as a fan of a Big twelve school,

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Speaker 2: one who is glad that the teams that he roots

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Speaker 2: for play in the Big Twelve. But a league like

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Speaker 2: the American Athletic Conference was instantly made instantly made weaker

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Speaker 2: when Cincinnati, UCF, and Houston joined the Big Twelve, and

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Speaker 2: so then the American Athletic Conference had to go pluck

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Speaker 2: some schools. The Eight ten was made weaker when the

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Speaker 2: Xavier left for the Big East. The Horizon League was

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Speaker 2: made weaker when Butler left to go join the Big East.

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Speaker 2: The Missouri Valley Conference was made weaker when Creighton left

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Speaker 2: for the Big East. The A ten then goes and

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Speaker 2: gets VCU and George Mason from the Colonial Athletic Association.

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Speaker 2: Davidson goes to the eight ten from the Southern Conference.

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Speaker 2: Loyola goes to the eight ten from the Missouri Valley Conference.

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Speaker 2: The Valley also loses Wichita State, which bolts to the

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Speaker 2: American Athletic Conference. Like there's been a domino effect. The

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Speaker 2: American loses not just UCF and Cincinnati and Houston, but

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Speaker 2: they also lose SMU. So they then go grab schools

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Speaker 2: from leagues like the Missouri Valley and the A Sun

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Speaker 2: and the CEA CIA. So like, I think that has

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Speaker 2: much to do with the decline of Cinderellas as anything,

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Speaker 2: and yet nobody seems to pine for those other leagues

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Speaker 2: to have the schools they used to bright them in

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Speaker 2: A Jones on baseball's next