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Speaker 3: past the hour of three o'clock Central daylight time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: It is a Tuesday edition of the Bumper to Bumper

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Speaker 3: Program on a rather moist, dark chili weekday afternoon here

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Speaker 3: in the twin cities that we affectionately referred to as

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Speaker 3: Minneapolis and Saint Lewis Park. My name is Dan Barrero,

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Speaker 3: the host of the program guards. He produces the show,

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Speaker 3: and we are going. I think you reminded me yesterday

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Speaker 3: the distance today six thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got we got a man up today, one day.

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Speaker 2: It's the only day this week we got a nut up.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying? I think Friday is too,

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Speaker 3: oh Friday as well. Yeah, but I'll be gone Friday. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's on you care You'll be on your way to

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Speaker 2: I will be gunbell tight. You really are you driving?

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Speaker 2: Are you bussing? Are you flying? Both? Really? Both lying

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Speaker 2: down there all busting back, busting back.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm teams busting both ways. I see I'm doing

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Speaker 3: some other things. You're flying one way, then busting back

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Speaker 3: with them. Yeah, or I got some family going to

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Speaker 3: the game. Comminator plains, trains and automobiles. It's that time,

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Speaker 3: Bradshaw and Brian Kafan text line is open and it

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Speaker 3: is the number, as most of you know by now,

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Speaker 3: is six four six eight six. The National Basketball Association

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Speaker 3: season opens tonight, not with the Timberwolves.

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Speaker 2: Wolves open of course.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow night in Portland against the Trail Blazers.

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Speaker 2: The don't sleep on the trail Blazers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah we.

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Speaker 2: Uh And then what we go to La Friday night Las. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Home opener will be Sunday, Yes, Pacers against the Halliburton

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Speaker 2: Don't leap on that me, Oh you can't.

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Speaker 3: Not the way they play Pacer culture, Rick Carlisle culture

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Speaker 3: exactly related. Remember the old Obi topping game that my

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Speaker 3: son and I went to last year top and looked

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Speaker 3: like fifty. He looked like a first team All NBA

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Speaker 5: He was.

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Speaker 3: He was a good player for them. He is a

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Speaker 3: good player. I think he's stole back with him not

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Speaker 3: even sure we'll find out. We'll find out, yeah, one

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Speaker 3: on the season because he had You know, he usually

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Speaker 3: goes to the good games, Yes, because that's those are

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's easier to say, hey, I'm going to target right,

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Speaker 3: you know, to watch Wolves Lakers if I can bring

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Speaker 3: the eleven year old. So he had seen like nine

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Speaker 3: this is a get right game. Caliburn's place, nobody's playing.

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Speaker 3: We'll go watch the Pacers on a Monday, and then

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Speaker 3: they lose, lose. We almost lost him forever. That was

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Speaker 3: last season. It was going to be a new era.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Johnny Athletics is going to join us

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Speaker 3: tomorrow to preview from Portland the Wolves from Dateline Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 3: Did you see the Johnny Athletic Athletic prediction? Oh no,

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Speaker 3: I didn't seen it. I've I read his Anthony Edwards

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Speaker 3: He was all the folks who cover the NBA for

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Speaker 2: Johnny took him seriously.

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Speaker 3: Johnny is predicting your Minnesota Timberwolves will be hoisting the

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Speaker 3: lost himself in ant's eye. We know that I do

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Speaker 3: That honestly makes me sad in a way that what

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Speaker 3: was just say the loser in the Minnesota Timber was

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Speaker 2: In favor of Taylor or in favor of Mark LORII

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Pablo is starting it with laying out exactly what

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Speaker 1: What happens here took place in a closed door, secret,

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Speaker 2: They have terrible absorption. Some items on this are I'm

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Speaker 1: Mark Laurie had dinner with Kevin Garnett and never told

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Speaker 1: me Alex Rodriguez did steroids. A Rod is a liar,

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Speaker 1: and none of this has anything to do with anything.

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Speaker 3: The record, have you ever used steroids, human growth hormone,

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Speaker 1: So that happens, and the arbitrator is like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: And in reality what happens is there is a vote

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Speaker 1: And something that's stunning to everybody is, of course, the

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Speaker 2: That deal, you probably should.

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Speaker 5: He only made he only made one point four billion

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Speaker 1: But it's not in fairness to him. He's soon who

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Speaker 3: As f Okay, there's a lot to chew on there.

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Speaker 3: That, of course, for arbitrators has nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just my lament. My regret is.

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Speaker 3: The two parties all along did not agree to let

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Speaker 2: He had.

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Speaker 3: Sale regret I think from the beginning, as we talked

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of things.

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Speaker 3: All I know is could have had the greatest sports

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Speaker 3: Nevertheless, I assume, well, how important do you think it

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Speaker 5: I think that it's nothing else. It continues the narrative,

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Speaker 5: It continues the narrative that he's making progress and that,

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Speaker 3: there was the difference between winning and losing that game.

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Speaker 3: But I'll say again, I don't think the head coach did,

442
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: whoever was the quarterback, whoever it was going to be

443
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: any favors in that game.

444
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Speaker 2: At a couple of key points.

445
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there were a couple of points where you'd say,

446
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 5: and we've seen this in some other games this year,

447
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 5: so it was a little surprising, but we've seen there

448
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 5: were a couple of points where it was like short

449
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 5: yardage or second goal or whatever, and you think, like, okay,

450
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 5: Jordan Mason's back there, let's bring out three tight ends.

451
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 5: Let's you know, get behind your first round pick from

452
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Speaker 5: a few years ago. Christian Darris saw your first round pick,

453
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Speaker 5: Donovan Jackson, your big free agent Will Fries.

454
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Speaker 6: Whoever you want to run behind.

455
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Speaker 5: Brian O'Neil was back on the field, and let's just

456
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Speaker 5: pound it, let's just get it.

457
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Speaker 4: Let's just push it.

458
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Speaker 6: Into the end zone and right here, right now. And

459
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Speaker 6: we did not.

460
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Speaker 5: There were a couple opportunities where you thought maybe that

461
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Speaker 5: was what was coming and it turned out it didn't.

462
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Speaker 5: And so but I like, and so I can't defend that.

463
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Speaker 5: I can't say that that that those don't counter that

464
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: we shouldn't pay attention to those. I will say that

465
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Speaker 5: there's been other time. I mean, George Mason already has

466
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Speaker 5: four touchdowns this year, and I think that's more than

467
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Speaker 5: Aaron Jones had rushing all of last year. Maybe, And

468
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 5: so I think they're especially in the goal to go situations,

469
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Speaker 5: they are looking at Jordan Mason more than they had

470
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Speaker 5: in the previous two years. But but you're right, there's

471
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Speaker 5: I mean in that in that situation against Philly, like

472
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Speaker 5: there it seemed like there was a reticence to just

473
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Speaker 5: really go physical on physical and see how it turned out.

474
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Speaker 3: And they'd had and there were some encouraging signs that

475
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Speaker 3: they might be capable of doing exactly that. It's an

476
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Speaker 3: easy second guess obviously, yeah, but to me it was

477
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Speaker 3: it was a it's a sneaky element that I still

478
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Speaker 3: I just shake my head and because I'm going you

479
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: don't have yet a real your real offense. So once

480
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Speaker 3: you whether it's you're playing a backup quarterback now or

481
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Speaker 3: earlier you were playing a young quarterback who might need

482
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Speaker 3: a minute or two. But why you don't do all

483
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Speaker 3: use all your other tool and you have an offensive

484
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: line that's in flux constantly, and and and and one

485
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Speaker 3: running back down. I just don't know why you wouldn't,

486
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Speaker 3: you know, Okay, I've got to I can't think in

487
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Speaker 3: terms of that you know that that that I just

488
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: want to sing the balls we've talked about before. It

489
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: just surprises me that he says he gets it, because

490
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Speaker 3: then he gets in the game.

491
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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like he does.

492
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Speaker 5: You're never gonna be happy, though, Like you just submit that,

493
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Speaker 5: unless unless they go full Lombardi on it. You know,

494
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 5: how about full house three yards and a cloud that

495
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 5: does about every time?

496
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Speaker 3: How about full house? I'm I want round the goal line.

497
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Speaker 3: I want a full house backfield. Remember those days? You

498
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 3: don't you probably yeah?

499
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean yeah, take the quarterback off the field,

500
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Speaker 5: put the tight end, put one of the tight ends

501
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Speaker 5: behind center.

502
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Speaker 6: And just and just like run over you that.

503
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Speaker 5: I mean basically they need Kevin O'Connell wasn't born at the.

504
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Speaker 6: Time they use that. You want them to use.

505
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't want him to go wishbone. I'm not

506
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Speaker 3: gonna go quite that far, but I do. I just

507
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: I just want to give yourself when you're limited. I

508
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: want to give yourself the best chance to get something done.

509
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Speaker 2: That's all. Or maybe maybe you steal you probably still

510
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: would lose the game.

511
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Speaker 3: But you know who's to say totally fair? Here's the debate.

512
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: On the defensive side. You watch a team give up

513
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 3: the number of explosive plays. If the Vikings did and

514
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: you were there, for it, and it's easy to say.

515
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's a that's a fail.

516
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: I mean you can't in the NFL, you can't give

517
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: up that many big plays. The comeback to that is, well,

518
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 3: all said and done, they gave up twenty one points

519
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: because the other touchdown obviously was a was a pick six,

520
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: And so it's not as bad if you're giving them

521
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: an overall letter grade. It's really not as bad as

522
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: it appears when you have those spectacular misses and wide

523
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Speaker 3: open receivers. So which way do you go in that

524
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Speaker 3: regard regarding the defensive ones?

525
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I wrote this last week and I think

526
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 5: it still applies.

527
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: I think they've been good this year.

528
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Speaker 5: Like you can't say they're a bad defense when they're

529
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Speaker 5: giving up the points. If you said twenty one, I

530
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 5: think entering the game, like defensively, they were giving up

531
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 5: like nineteen twenty points a game.

532
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: I mean that that canon often is winning football.

533
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 5: I think they rank in the top five of points allowed,

534
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 5: and that's obviously the most important stat out there, and

535
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 5: they rank highly in a lot of other cases. But

536
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 5: the way the leakings are constructed and the way the

537
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 5: quarterback situation has played out, like a good defense is

538
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: not enough, and like it feels like we're I'm unfairly

539
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 5: picking on them because they are playing you know, like

540
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 5: I said, good, well whatever, the correct grammar would be there,

541
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: But they need, I think, especially during this this gauntlet

542
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 5: of the schedule that they have, they have to play

543
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 5: lights out, Like they have to not only just give

544
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 5: up twenty one points, but they on third and fifteen

545
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 5: they cannot They have to get off the field, you know,

546
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 5: in a situation where they have their you know, one

547
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: of their top cornerbacks, you know, in man de man

548
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 5: coverage against a good receiver, that cornerback has to make

549
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 5: a play. And that might seem like we're holding them

550
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 5: to an unfair standard given the way other parts of

551
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: the team is playing, but like that's that's they're gonna

552
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: need to be their formula for winning some of these

553
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 5: games that look pretty difficult on paper right now, is

554
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: that the defense can't just be good. It can't just

555
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 5: you know, say, oh, you know, they're given up only

556
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one points whatever like it has. It has

557
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: to be exceptional in every way, and most importantly in

558
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 5: those key moments in the fourth quarter when games you know,

559
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: can be turned or flipped.

560
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 6: Or whatever you want to call it.

561
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 5: That's where they have not been able to make the

562
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Speaker 5: plays and again holding them to.

563
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Speaker 6: A very high standard.

564
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Speaker 5: But that's what they need from that group to have

565
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: better chances to win some of these games.

566
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Speaker 2: Well.

567
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Speaker 3: To your point, playing great obviously also has to mean

568
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: taking the ball away, which I think you covered yeah

569
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: in that piece as well. And we spend a lot

570
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: of time on this. Yesterday, I believe it's three straight

571
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 3: games zero tways. You've got seven for the year, but

572
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: five came against Cincinnati, And I get some of that's

573
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: luck and you right place, right time, and the ball

574
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 3: bounces a certain way, but that's non negotiable for them.

575
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean that that also is part of what they

576
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: have to get better at one way or another, whether

577
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: it's skill, luck or combination or of both. With this

578
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: offense having very little Martin for air at this point

579
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: at least, that's probably a requirement as well, is it

580
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: not moving forward?

581
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's part of the formula last year,

582
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 5: I mean, lots of turnovers and help them get you know,

583
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 5: help the team get to early leads.

584
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: They the Vikings.

585
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 5: Defense led the league, and the number of snaps they

586
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 5: played with the lead last year. And you know that's

587
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 5: not a secret around football that when you have a lead,

588
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 5: there's certain ways that you can you can play defense

589
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 5: to really pressure the offense that you may not be

590
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 5: able to if you're behind or it's tied and you're

591
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 5: worried about about giving up a winning score, you're worried

592
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 5: about giving up a tying score or what or what

593
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 5: have you.

594
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: And so.

595
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Speaker 6: That's that that.

596
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Speaker 4: They were.

597
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 5: That was also partly the offense last year that was

598
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 5: giving them the leads. But when you when you have

599
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: that lead and you get out to that early lead,

600
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 5: turnovers can be a big part of that as well.

601
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Speaker 3: Second and one from the six incomplete pass, then another

602
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: pass where it was a touchdown but it got nullified

603
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: by the holding penalty that was on fourth down. That's

604
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: another example we're talking about regarding just hand the damn

605
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: ball off every once in a while, even if that's

606
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Speaker 3: kind of what they're looking for.

607
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: We I don't think we've perfected the.

608
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: Tush push the way the Eagles have. As an aside,

609
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: which we didn't get to yesterday, tell us about the

610
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: interesting quirk offered up by b Flow to try to

611
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: combat the Eagles tush push. What was that all about?

612
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Speaker 3: And who was the poor guy who was being sacrificed.

613
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the poor guy being sacrifice was Tyler Battie,

614
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: who had was an undrafted free agent that they signed

615
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 5: a linebacker and went through training camp with them.

616
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 4: He went on.

617
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: Injury reserve to start the year, but he practiced for

618
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: two weeks as part of the activation process, and he

619
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: was activated for this game. I don't want to say

620
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 5: for this role, but I don't know that he got

621
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Speaker 5: on the field for anything else.

622
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Speaker 4: But basically what he did was sort.

623
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: Of lie down parallel to the line of scrimmage right

624
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 5: in front of the center to be a human obstacle

625
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: to the Eagles offensive lineman who liked to get low

626
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: and try to dig out the defensive tackles and then

627
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: over top of him.

628
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: They had several other defensive.

629
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Speaker 5: Linemen kind of come in over the top and try

630
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 5: to get to Jalen.

631
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 6: Hurts that way. And it's actually been there's I.

632
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 5: Talked to Klen Taylor, who's our resident ESPN Push Push expert,

633
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 5: and she said that the Commanders have actually used something

634
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 5: similar to that. Jonathan Allen, who's currently the Biden's defensive

635
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 5: tackle would have I don't think he was the guy

636
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 5: that laid down, but he would have been a part

637
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: of that.

638
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: And I believe there was.

639
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: One other team, the Chief Chris Jones might have done

640
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: it for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. So it's

641
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 5: been tried before and they they barely got it the

642
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 5: first time, and the second time they fall started and

643
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 5: so there was not a play, and so it's you

644
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 5: know that this is what the NFL is kind of

645
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 5: asked for by allowing this play to continue, that the

646
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 5: quote unquote unstoppables teams are going to come up with

647
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 5: very creative ways. If you're worried about safety, I can't

648
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 5: imagine being laying down on a on a football field.

649
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: To serve as a human obstacle is the safest uh

650
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: play and role or position for a player to be

651
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 5: in because of nothing else. All the humanity of that

652
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 5: interior line falls on top of you. Credit to Tyler

653
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: Baddy for being willing to do that. But you know

654
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 5: this is what they're gonna You're going to see, and

655
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 5: you're gonna see other creative things, like people are not

656
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: going to just accept that the Eagles are going to

657
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: get a first down every time they have one or

658
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 5: two yards ago, and they may not stop it, but

659
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean that they're not going to try everything

660
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: they can take.

661
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Speaker 3: And I hope that at some point forces the hand

662
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Speaker 3: of the owners to get rid of this stupid play.

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Speaker 3: I can't stand it if I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: look at the all twenty two since of the Eagles game,

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Speaker 3: but what in your mind happened? Where did we break

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Speaker 3: down in terms of our past coverage. Were they just

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Speaker 3: really smart about what they did? Did we have some

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Speaker 3: breakdowns that were not accustomed to what happened on Sunday?

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Speaker 5: I think you know, to me, like it's two things.

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Speaker 5: One is the Eagles have two really good receivers and

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Speaker 5: both of them made really big plays down the field.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing is the Vikings.

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Speaker 5: Clearly, you know we're worried about and for good reason

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Speaker 5: that Jalen hurts breaking the pocket and running. And so

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that this was their heaviest pass rush.

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Speaker 6: Game in history.

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Speaker 4: And there were a few times times when.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it looked like they were basically rushing one guy

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Speaker 5: and the rest of the guys were just kind of

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Speaker 5: standing on the line of scrimmage or spying just to

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Speaker 5: make sure and.

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Speaker 4: So ultimately you give Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 5: The amount of time that he had, and they'll give

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Speaker 5: those receivers time to get downfield and it's really hard

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Speaker 5: to cover them. Josh Mantelis is a is a really

686
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Speaker 5: good player in a lot of ways, but it's going

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Speaker 5: to be very difficult for him to stay with aj

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Speaker 5: Brown for five or six seconds and then eventually get

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Speaker 5: you know, down the field. And DeVante Smith has beaten

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Speaker 5: a lot of cornerbacks and now including Isaiah Rodgers on

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Speaker 5: deep passes, and so I think there's some of it

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Speaker 5: as a pass rush thing and some of it as

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Speaker 5: they had you know, those were those are two of

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Speaker 5: the best players on the Eagles entire roster.

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Speaker 3: They're good man there. I know they had some struggling,

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Speaker 3: but it just it just comes off to me. They're

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Speaker 3: a team of substance. I still watched I watched the

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Speaker 3: Lions last night, and I'm not saying again they're unbeatable.

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Speaker 3: They had lost what the week before, but I just

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Speaker 3: I just feel like they're playing on a different level

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Speaker 3: than we are. But maybe that's what the rest of

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Speaker 3: this season is going to be about. Let's get a

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Speaker 3: pause in here, and I'll have you look ahead a

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Speaker 3: little bit too, regarding injuries and the Chargers as an

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Speaker 3: opponent as well. Kevin Seaffort kind enough to hang with

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Speaker 3: us for another segment. Luigi will join at the top

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Speaker 3: of the hour, and beginning at four thirty, we have

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Speaker 3: a full hour in studio with former US attorney Andy Lueger.

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Speaker 3: As we definitely leave the toy department at least for

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Speaker 2: Louis will join the top of the hour.

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Speaker 3: Before we continue with Kevin Seaffert that regarding that seventy

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Speaker 3: seven item mean Girl style burn book that apparently Glenn

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Speaker 3: Taylor had put together in hopes of winning back the franchise,

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Speaker 3: Quinn from Eton Prairie writes that item number seven from

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Speaker 3: the burn book, Glenn Taylor was unhappy with the fact

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Speaker 3: that a Rod had more playoff victories in Minnesota than

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Speaker 3: he did hashtag release the Taylor files. Seaffert back with

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Speaker 3: us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline as well. Texter

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Speaker 3: asks this question of you, I think I know what

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Speaker 3: your answer is going to be, but I'm going to

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Speaker 3: throw it your way anyway. What does Kevin Seaffert think

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five Minnesota Vikings do well?

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, Yeah, there's still a very For the most part,

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Speaker 5: they have been a good downfield passing team. I mean they're,

733
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Speaker 5: you know, justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison are getting open downfield,

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Speaker 5: even against some exotic coverages, and they're piling up a

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Speaker 5: lot of yardage. And it's not as if the Vikings

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Speaker 5: have been down by tons of points and they had

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Speaker 5: to throw the ball every although they did throw a

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Speaker 5: lot against the Steelers, but that was maybe the one game.

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Speaker 5: But for the most part, it's not like they're in

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Speaker 5: these games where they have to set aside their game

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Speaker 5: plan and just start throwing the ball every play. So

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Speaker 5: I think that, like if you're making a list, I

743
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Speaker 5: think that's something that they've done very well. The kicker,

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Speaker 5: you know, I know, people don't like to include kicking

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Speaker 5: in actual football discussions, but the kicker as well, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: fifty nine yards the other day. You know, he's amongst

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Speaker 5: the kickers in the league where that as soon as

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Speaker 5: you're getting in the sixty yard range, you know, it's

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Speaker 5: a reasonable consideration. And that's a huge weapon they have,

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Speaker 5: especially at the end of close games or at the

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Speaker 5: end of halves even steal some points, which they've done

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Speaker 5: on several occasions.

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Speaker 4: So those are two things that come to my mind

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Speaker 4: right away.

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Speaker 3: Brad Brad has an I think a compelling question. If

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Speaker 3: Hockinson's catch doesn't get overturned, are we talking about how

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Speaker 3: gutty and clutch Carson Wentz is overcoming getting pressured knocked

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Speaker 3: around all game and leading the team to game winning drives.

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Speaker 5: Probably unless not unless he did it again because they

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Speaker 5: again behind.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, there's.

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Speaker 5: Still a lot of like not ideal throws on tape

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Speaker 5: that people can can cut up and put on the

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Speaker 5: internet and create a tape of a lot of throws

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Speaker 5: that don't necessarily look like NFL throws in terms of

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Speaker 5: the way they're hitting the ground. But that's also part

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Speaker 5: and parcel with having a guy who wasn't deemed a

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Speaker 5: starting caliber quarterback when the season began by any team,

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Speaker 5: and so you had he had he had that touchdown

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Speaker 5: count it had been had been a better throw first

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Speaker 5: and foremost, and had that touchdown then counted and they

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Speaker 5: had had they gotten the ball back, which based on

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Speaker 5: the way the last Eagles last drive goes, there's no

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Speaker 5: guarantees that they would have. And then had he gotten

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Speaker 5: in a position for what we were talking about with

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Speaker 5: will record in the possible game winning field goal, then

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Speaker 5: maybe we're having that discussion, but not just based on

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Speaker 5: the hockins and play.

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Speaker 3: Do you believe I don't know if this question was

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Speaker 3: asked directly or not, but do you believe that the

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Speaker 3: head coach had any temptation for this Thursday night game

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Speaker 3: given the fact that JJ's obviously not ready and Wentz

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Speaker 3: is at very the very least banged up, still got

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Speaker 3: the shoulder and did not excel. He was very inconsistent

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Speaker 3: this last game to throwing the ultimate monkey wrench into

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Speaker 3: the room Guardsey's fantasy Max Brosmer starting against the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that was ever under consideration or has

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Speaker 3: ever been.

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Speaker 5: Not in a serious way that I'm aware of. He

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Speaker 5: did want to see what Carsons Wentz, Carson Wentz's shoulder

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Speaker 5: looked like once they got back in yesterday and came

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Speaker 5: back today, and so obviously it's not any further along,

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Speaker 5: but it's definitely a painful injury, and it's he's not

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Speaker 5: going to have a full week to recover. So that

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Speaker 5: probably would have been the option if Wentz's shoulder.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't in good enough shape. And and the fact.

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Speaker 5: That they're making him the number two and they didn't

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Speaker 5: keep Desmond Ritter around who was here for a few weeks,

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Speaker 5: you know, shows that they do have a level of

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Speaker 5: confidence in him.

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Speaker 4: But I you know, I think that they wanted it to.

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Speaker 5: Be Wentz as long as Wentz was not had not

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Speaker 5: suffered any setbacks in his in his recovery from that

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Speaker 5: shoulder injury.

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Speaker 3: If we lose Thursday, Texter guy six one wants to know,

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Speaker 3: do we become sellers?

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Speaker 2: The headline?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you could make an argument that that would

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Speaker 5: make the most sense from a very long term approach

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Speaker 5: to the team building here, But after the way they

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Speaker 5: just seeing and how they've sort of behaved and didn't

812
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Speaker 5: certainly didn't do it two years ago when Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 5: got hurt. Yeah, I don't know if they've regretted at all.

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Speaker 5: Daniel Hunter was a player that they maybe could have

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Speaker 5: moved for more than what they got in terms of compensation,

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Speaker 5: but certainly hasn't been the way they've ever approached things here,

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Speaker 5: at least in the tenure of O'Connell and Clacy deflamensa.

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Speaker 5: So I don't go into it expecting them to be sellers.

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Speaker 4: If somebody blows them away.

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Speaker 5: Knowing that there's a lot of older guys on this

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Speaker 5: team and there's a pretty big salary cap definicit that

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Speaker 5: they're facing next year, you would imagine they would at

823
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Speaker 5: least can take a call. But I don't think that

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Speaker 5: they're looking to dump gow on it by any stretch

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Speaker 5: of the imagine.

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Speaker 2: Can we be a buyer?

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Speaker 3: Because I keep bearing these predictions from people in your

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Speaker 3: business saying this is going to be an unusually active year, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: in the trade market, which would be I think great

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Speaker 3: if it could materialize in the NFL, because it really

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Speaker 3: seems to just go ahead and say it.

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Speaker 4: Are they going to go trade for Kirk Cousins?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: That would be funny?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be the thing potentially for something on

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Speaker 5: a relative second level or third level deed, But I certainly,

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Speaker 5: you know, given this division, and you know, and given

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Speaker 5: where they're at in terms of the quarterbacks they have

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Speaker 5: on this roster, and what the top priority is going

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Speaker 5: to be. I mean, frankly, from a team building perspective,

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Speaker 5: the best thing that in some ways, the very longest

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Speaker 5: term perspective, the best thing that can happen for this

844
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Speaker 5: team is for number one, them to get JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 5: on the field and for a nice long run that

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Speaker 5: gives them a lot of data points and a lot

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Speaker 5: of things to look at in preparation for next year,

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Speaker 5: and in the process maybe ending up with a top

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Speaker 5: fifteen pick along the way for next year. And so

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Speaker 5: I know, no one wants to talk about that, and

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Speaker 5: everybody hates.

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Speaker 6: Hearing those things, and every year is the.

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Speaker 4: Year in two itself.

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Speaker 5: But you know, and if I work for the team,

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Speaker 5: or if I were the coach of the team or

856
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 5: player on a team, I certainly wouldn't feel that way.

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Speaker 5: But in some ways that could be the most ideal

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Speaker 5: scenario for them.

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Speaker 2: How beatable are the Chargers?

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Speaker 5: They are beatable, and that's the thing like they. You know,

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Speaker 5: this is such a week to week league. Were here

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Speaker 5: I am talking about, you know, potentially just not being

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Speaker 5: happy with a top fifteen pick for next year. And

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Speaker 5: they could be the Chargers and be four and three,

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Speaker 5: and here we go with the Lions coming up.

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Speaker 4: I just think that that.

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Speaker 5: In itself shouldn't spur anything us thinking anything dramatically different

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Speaker 5: about where this team might be headed. But the Chargers,

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Speaker 5: you know, they just gave up almost forty points at

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Speaker 5: the Colts last week, and it's I mean, it's a

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Speaker 5: team that, like the Eagles, frankly, they were vulnerable. I

872
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 5: mean that that was not unwinnable game and this is

873
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Speaker 5: not either. They're going to need to play better than

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Speaker 5: they've played here from most of the games of this season.

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Speaker 3: I have a wonderful trip to Los Angeles, California. I

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Speaker 3: know you were tracking the vikings for the Thursday night

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Speaker 3: game and we will let.

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Speaker 5: Chat this week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay, Dan, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Seffert extended version not in studio, but still got

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Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff from him. Moving a lot

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Speaker 3: of pieces around today to fit various schedules. Luigi is

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Speaker 3: going to join us next You have hockey questions about

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Speaker 3: the Wild road trip, other things hockey related. Brad Shawn

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Speaker 3: Luger is going to join us in studio, mainly to

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Speaker 3: talk about an op ed piece he wrote that's getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of attention out of the start Bune. Over

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Speaker 3: the weekend, he has scheduled for a four thirty appearance,

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Speaker 3: so we've got a lot to get to State