1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty. I am six forty Live everywhere 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app. I am Dean Sharp, the house Whisperer, 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: custom home builder, custom home Designer. It's an all calls weekend. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: I love these weekends. I love taking your calls, talking 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: with you about what's going on with your home, and 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, hoping out if I can. So let's do 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: it all right, Let's talk to Tom. 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: Tom. Welcome home Bean. 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: Yes, sir okay. I live on a hillside lot. My 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: house is on the upper portion of the hill with 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: a yard created by retaining the old style retaining wall 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: with concrete about two hundred and forty feet front to back. 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: And I want to get down to that lower pad 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: to build an ADU. And I got to put in 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 3: a driveway. If I bulldoze straight down the slope, I'm 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: going to be over twenty percent. And I don't even 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: want to be twenty percent. I'd like to be twelve percent. 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, rather than try to stretch the driveway 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: along the ridge to lengthen it and reduce my slope, 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: is there some way, like like an elevated boardwalk a 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: driveway built on piers that somebody does. I mean, obviously 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: it could be done, but you know, it cost a fortune. 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering if if anybody does anything prefab 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: like that. 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, you know what if somebody does, I 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: have not heard of them. You know, we've had some 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: tricky driveway grating scenarios before, and you know, it's not 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: uncommon to have to get the structural engineers out and say, okay, 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: we got to bring this driveway in on an estate 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: property across this creek bed or across this gully, or 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: we've got an elevated portion of it and essentially build 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: a bridge or an elevated platform for a portion of 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: the driveway. But I know of no one out there, 35 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that there isn't, but I personally 36 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: don't have knowledge of anybody out there who has prefab 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: systems that are just ready to go. And the problem 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: is the problem with the reason is is because it's 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: all site specific, it has to do with your you know, 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: geological situation, your soil quality. Because it's not so much 41 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: the structure itself, it's what it's bearing on and how 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: much of a seismic and lateral load. It has to 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: withhold as well as the dead load itself. So geological 44 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: engineer and structural engineer, those are going to be unavoidable 45 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: in your situation. Doesn't necessarily have to be concrete. I've 46 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: seen them. We've actually successfully built some some bridges over 47 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: gullies out of wood, out of you know, kind of 48 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: like the old covered wood bridges. We've successfully done it 49 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: out of wood and steel and or concrete. But it's 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: going to have to be one of those formats, and 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: it's going to be uh, it's going to be site specific, 52 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: and so you're just gonna, unfortunately have to price that out. Tom, 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: thanks for the call. It is super interesting question. I 54 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: wish I could help more on that. I want to 55 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: talk to Shannon. Hey, Shannon, welcome. 56 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: Home, Hie, thanks for taking my calls. Well, I have 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: a pervasive gopher problem in my yards in my back 58 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 4: and my strint, which has prevented me from planting anything, 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 4: and mostly weeds are popping up and weeds die, and 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: I have all these hills and mounds and holes, and 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 4: so I wanted to do a native garden, but I 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: don't know where to begin and how to. 63 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: Get rid of the gopher h Gophers Nature's annoying, adorable rodent. Okay, 64 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: so Shannon, here's the thing. Here's what I don't want 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: you to do. Please do not poison your gophers with 66 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: a rat poison blood thinning rat poison, because it is 67 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: not only doing damage to them, and yes, it will, 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, knock out your gophers in general, but it 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: will end up damaging the entire ecosystem around you. I'm 70 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: not going to get on my soapbox and talk about that. 71 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, don't do it. Blood thinners 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: end up in all the predators that eat the gophers 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: as well, and it affects everything well beyond the edge 74 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: of your house. Now, you can live trap gophers, or 75 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: you can just kill them dead with the mechanical traps, 76 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: but that doesn't solve the problem because you know, it's 77 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: just an ongoing war. So in your situation and for 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: everybody who has a gopher issue, what I'm about to 79 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: suggest may sound extreme, but in reality it is actually 80 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: the easiest, most stress free, permanent way to deal with 81 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: gophers in your yard, and that is simply to not 82 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: allow them in in the first place. Now, how do 83 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: you do that? Well, you do that by again having 84 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: a strong commitment we don't want gophers in this yard. 85 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: What it means is this, let's take your lawn, your 86 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: planterbed areas wherever it is that you are planning on 87 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: planting and don't want gophers coming up. You're going to 88 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: remove some soil okay, two, three, sometimes as much as 89 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: four inches of soil in an area, and you're going 90 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: to stake down and bury gopher cloth. And what do 91 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: I mean by gopher cloth? I mean either a nylon 92 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: cloth that is, and I say cloth, it's actually full 93 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: of holes. Okay, it's more like a mesh, but basically 94 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: think of chicken wire, but on a much much smaller 95 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: scale opening so that a gopher can't get through a 96 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: layer of chicken wire essentially, And please forgive me for 97 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: using it. I just want everybody to picture what it 98 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: is that I'm saying, a layer of chicken wire buried 99 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: a couple of inches underneath the soil of everywhere in 100 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: your yard. 101 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: Okay. 102 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: The simple truth of the matter is the gophers can 103 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: tunnel underneath your house all they want and all around, 104 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: but they're not going to be popping up and they're 105 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: not going to be doing as much, if any, damage 106 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: to the roots of everything that's going down. Now, will 107 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: they occasionally gnaw on a deeper root, sure, but not 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: to the extent that they're going to destroy anything. So 109 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: without question, the once and for all solution for gophers 110 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: is actually to just put a fence in between them 111 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: and being able to pop up in your yard. 112 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: Awesome that. 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: It is simple. I mean simple for me to say. 114 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, just to dig up all the 115 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: dirt in your whole backyard and completely cover it over 116 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: with seamless fencing. It's a it's a task, it's a chore. 117 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: But honestly, when you think about, well, do we want 118 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: to do that or do we want to forever have 119 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: gophers making holes in the backyard. So this way, the 120 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: gophers don't die, your plants don't die, your yard stays lovely, 121 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: and you just have a barrier. So it's a gopher bear. 122 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: If you go online, you're gonna find all sorts of 123 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: options in that regard subterranean buried gopher barriers. You're gonna 124 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: find them. You can price them out, you can make 125 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: your own decisions. But they work. I know they work. 126 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: We've seen them work and at the end of the day, boom. 127 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: You do it once, you do it right, and you 128 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it again. So Shannon, thank you. 129 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: Good luck on that. Thanks for the call. When we 130 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: come back, more of your calls. I'm so glad you 131 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: joined me this morning. Hang tight, so much more to come. 132 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: You are home with Dean Sharp the House Whisper. 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 5: Kay if I. 134 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: Am six forty and live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: you are home with Dean Sharp the House Whisper. 136 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 6: That's me. 137 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: Hey. 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: We are doing a all call weekend here on the program. 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: Every few weeks. We lay every topic aside so that 140 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: we can concentrate on just the things that are on 141 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: your mind regarding your home, be it a design issue, 142 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: or a construction question, or a DIY concerned whatever, all 143 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: of the above and anything in between. Anything you want 144 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: to talk to me about your home today, that's what 145 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: we're doing. It's time to go back to the phone 146 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: to do it. I want to talk to Jane. Hey, Jane, 147 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: welcome home. 148 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 7: Thanks for taking my calls. I have a quick question. 149 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 7: We're looking to remodel our house and open up some 150 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 7: of the walls and we're not sure if we should 151 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 7: get a designer first to work out the layout and 152 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 7: the design, or if we should speak with a structural 153 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 7: engineer to actually let us know which walls we can 154 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 7: open up. 155 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Excellent question, a procedural question on how you get started 156 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: with this kind of thing. The answer is a bit nuanced, Jane. 157 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: Number one. The first call the you always make that 158 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: everyone should always make when they're thinking about remodeling or 159 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: doing something different with their house, is you call a designer. 160 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: All right. You start with the creativity, you start with 161 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: the art. 162 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: You start with somebody who knows what they're doing in 163 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: order to help you come with the absolute best possible 164 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: design that works for you, that customizes your home, that 165 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: expresses you. Because, as I say here on the program 166 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: all the time, as you know, design matters most. We 167 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: start with design. However, sometimes design choices end up leading 168 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: towards Wow, we're going to move that wall, or we're 169 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: going to eliminate that wall, and we want to change 170 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: those windows, or we want to put in a much 171 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: bigger door. Things that infringe and touch now upon structural issues. 172 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: So this is why I say it's nuanced. What you 173 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: want is you want to call the designer first, and 174 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: you want to start having that conversation. What you don't 175 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: want is to pay a designer for a full on, 176 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: full blown finished design when you don't know what the 177 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: structural ramifications are. Okay, So you call a designer and 178 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: you begin to work with them in what we call 179 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: rough design mode or rough sketch mode, in which we 180 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: haven't you know, we haven't sold the farm yet for 181 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: this design. But we get to the point where now 182 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: we sense like, wow, we're really liking where this is going. 183 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: And the big question now looms what about that wall? 184 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: And that is when you call in a structural engineer 185 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: for a consultation and it's a couple three hundred dollars, 186 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: most structural engineers will show up and help you figure 187 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: out what's going on. Sometimes it's pretty simple to do 188 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: expect that they will. In order to make the most 189 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: of a consult like that, that you're going to want 190 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: to invest a little of a demo, and by demo, 191 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: I just mean a forensic opening up. You know, if 192 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: it's a wall in question, you don't know if it's 193 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: a bearing wall, or if you don't know if it's 194 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: a sheer wall, that's critical for the seismic strength of 195 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: the house, then you want to pull some drywall off. 196 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: Drywall is inexpensive to replace, Okay, it's just cost of 197 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: getting ready for your remodel. A little bit of forensic analysis. 198 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: So in other words, if we're talking about you know, 199 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: if we were talking about the house in terms of 200 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: let's say the metaphor of a patient going in for 201 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: some surgical procedure and there are some things that we 202 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: don't quite know about, then we would call this exploratory surgery, 203 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: in which we open things up just a little bit 204 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: to take a look around and to verify what it 205 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: is that we're dealing with there. So open up a 206 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: little section of drywall on a wall, Open up some 207 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: drywall on the ceiling right next to the top of 208 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: that wall. If we want to figure out what direction 209 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: the ceiling joysts are going, what's bearing on that wall 210 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: or not that kind of stuff, and then have the 211 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: structural engineer come out and give you an evaluation of 212 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see this. They might 213 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: just say listen, hey, thanks for paying for the console. 214 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: I think you're good to go. That's not a baring wall. 215 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: That thing can be removed and you don't have to 216 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: worry about it, or they may say, yeah, no, some 217 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: engineering is going to be required here and it's a 218 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: major deal, or some engineering is required and it's not 219 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. So that's the information you 220 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: need you need at that juncture, and then you return 221 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: to the design process with that information under your arm 222 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: in order to finish out the design. You may decide 223 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: to abandon that design because you don't want to touch 224 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: that wall, or it may be full steam ahead, So 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: it's designer, engineer, back to the designer. And then as 226 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: you commit to a remodel, especially assuming that you're going 227 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: to be pulling permits and doing it the right way, 228 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: then once the designer is then committing to plans, the 229 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: engineer is going to get involved again and put in 230 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: their structural notes and pages in the places that you'll 231 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: submit to the city. And that's kind of the hopscotch 232 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: or leap frogging that happens. So don't pay a designer 233 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: everything up front to do a complete design when you 234 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: don't know the ramification structurally on the house. And just 235 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: to let you know, just as a little top er, 236 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you how Tina and I actually do. Even 237 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: when we have been hired to do a full design 238 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: on a home, we will still tell our clients listen, 239 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: we are going to take you to rough design in 240 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: which you're thrilled with the way everything's looking, and then 241 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: we're going to get an engineer involved to spec out 242 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: rough engineering specifications not even finished yet, but rough specifications, 243 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: because only then do you have with our drawing down 244 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: on the page and the engineering specifications. Only then do 245 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: you have the information you need to turn around and 246 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: hand it to two or three contractors to give you 247 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 1: what's called a rom a rough order of magnitude or 248 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: really rough estimate, and so you're not holding them to it, 249 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: but these are contractors that you're vetting and you're thinking 250 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: about using, and they give you a rough estimate, so 251 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: you get an idea like, ah, and this is what 252 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: our project probably is going to cost in the ballpark. 253 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: At that point you may find out m Yeah, all right, 254 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: that's in our budget, or no, that's too much, and 255 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: then you go back to the design and tweak it again. 256 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: So there's this inner play and this collaboration and that's 257 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: generally how it works. 258 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 7: Does that help, yes, Thank you so much? 259 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: All right, Jane. Good luck on that project. All right, 260 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: y'all when we come back, Let's try and take a 261 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: couple more before we are done today. Yeah, you are home? 262 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: Who is this? 263 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's Dean Sharp, the House Whisper. 264 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 265 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty KFI AM six forty live everywhere 266 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app. You are Home with Dean Sharp 267 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: the House Whisper. Hey, thanks for joining us on the 268 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: program this morning. All right to the phones, Eric, Welcome home. 269 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: Hello Dean. 270 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 6: How you doing? 271 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: I am well, sir. How can I help you? 272 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: So? 273 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 5: I'm planning on taking carpet out and putting new wood 274 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 5: floors in the room. 275 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: I just put these new moldings in like maybe two 276 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: years ago, so I know there's. 277 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 5: Going to be a gap, and I'm wondering what you 278 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 5: think I. 279 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: Should do replace the moldings or do like a pillar 280 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: or something like that. 281 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So by moldings, you're talking about your baseboards. Okay, 282 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: baseboards in the room and baseboards. Just so everybody can 283 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: get caught up to speed here, when we install baseboards, 284 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,239 Speaker 1: knowing that carpeting is going in a room, the baseboard 285 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: is actually we leave it off the ground. We leave 286 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: it up above the floor about yeah, depending on the 287 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: carpenter you talk to, anywhere from a quarter of an 288 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: inch all the way up to about three eighths of 289 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: an inch. So if Eric is going to yank all 290 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: the carpet in the pad out of a room and 291 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: put hard would down in its place, then it's the 292 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: chances that the hardwood is going to actually touch the 293 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: bottom of those base boards is unlikely. That means we 294 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: got a little gap underneath. Two ways to handle it, Eric, 295 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: just straight out you're either well, okah, yeah too realistically. 296 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Two ways you could You could try and remove the 297 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: baseboards carefully and reinstall them, but. 298 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: That never works out. 299 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: So I'm not even gonna tell you that one because 300 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna end up cracking something and messing 301 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: it up and messing up the wall. So number one, 302 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you pull the baseboards. You're just like, well, okay, fine, 303 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sacrifice this room full of baseboards. You pull 304 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: the baseboards, you leave the walls bare, get the floor installed, 305 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: and then nicest, best, absolute cleanest looking job. Once the 306 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: floor is down, you install new baseboards, bump right on 307 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: top of the hardwood, nice and tight, clean line, clean 308 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: corner done. The other way to do it, if you 309 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: really really want to save those baseboards is you simply 310 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: use a base shoe, which is just a secondary molding. 311 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: You don't want to fill in underneath the baseboard because 312 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: that never ends up looking right. You try and glue 313 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: it or try and nail it in, you're always going 314 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: to see the seam. Even if you don't see it 315 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: right away, you'll end up seeing a seam. So the 316 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: traditional way, the conventional way is to use a base shoe, 317 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: which is kind of like a quarter round, kind of 318 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: like some people boxy use cord around a quarter of 319 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: a circle. But base shoe, actually, if you get the 320 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: right stuff, is actually taller than it is thick as 321 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: far as coming out into the room, and so it's 322 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: a little bit more just slightly more streamline than QRD around. 323 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: And what you'll do is you'll go ahead and lay 324 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: the floor, get it underneath the or up to at 325 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: least the line of the baseboard, and then cover the 326 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: gap with a piece of base shoe. Now I prefer 327 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: as a designer, it says, no, this has nothing to 328 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: do with carpentry. I prefer as a designer that you 329 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: would paint that base shoe with your so that the 330 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: floor stays the floor, and the base shoe just becomes 331 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: a part of your baseboard. From a design perspective, I 332 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: think that's a cleaner, better look. Some people like to 333 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: try and buy a base shoe, a base shoe that's 334 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: the same material right as the floor. I think that 335 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: just makes the floor feel like it's creeping up onto 336 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: the wall, and for us, that's not a good look. 337 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm gonna recommend my friend one of 338 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: the two. If you pull out the baseboards, how tall 339 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: are they? 340 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: By the way, there's like about three inches, So I 341 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 3: got all. 342 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: Right, they're too short. They're too short, So no seven 343 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: seven inches? 344 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 5: Oh wow? 345 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I know right, I know everybody. 346 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: Everybody's jaw drops every time I say that. But I'm 347 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: just saying, if you've got a traditional house with kind 348 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: of a traditional motif, don't hesitate to fill that house 349 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: with taller baseboards. 350 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: I guarantee you. A wall is. 351 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Visually, whether you've never thought of it this way or not, 352 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: a wall is a column. It's like a column that 353 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: has been split and laid out flat. So the base 354 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: of that wall. You can imagine a big, strong column 355 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: that has no base on it whatsoever, like a Greek 356 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: column that just kind of runs into the dirt. A 357 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: base the base of a column needs a really nice pediment. 358 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you the general rule is seven is 359 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: what we call the seven percent rule, the seven to 360 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: ten percent rule. And so that basically means baseboards can 361 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: afford to be seven percent of the height of a wall. 362 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: That means in an eight foot ceiling they can be 363 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: almost seven inches tall. It will look fantastic. So if 364 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: you decide to replace the baseboards, all I'm saying is 365 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: think about going taller with them. 366 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 2: You won't regret it. 367 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: And then, of course you can blame me for spending 368 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: more money in the rest of the house, because after 369 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: you love that room as much as you do. 370 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, great, Dean had me change this room. 371 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: It's now the best looking room in the house, and 372 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: now I have to replace all the baseboards. It's everywhere. 373 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: You are welcome, all right, thanks buddy for the call. 374 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: Do I have time to sneak another one in here? 375 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: Let's do it, Ragnar, welcome home. 376 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 5: My wife and I just bought a new house in Hawthorne, California. 377 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: It's built nineteen fifty two, and we have retaining walls 378 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 5: are on the outside of the property and from settling. 379 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 5: The soil is clayish and the settling has created a 380 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 5: wall cracks in the retaining walls. I mean, it wasn't 381 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 5: been made a center block. But in institutions stick How 382 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 5: can I stick saladavu to replace the walls? 383 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So when we say retaining walls, do we mean 384 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: that these walls are actually retaining soil or when we 385 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: say retaining walls, you just mean like a garden block 386 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: wall that's dividing you and the neighbors. 387 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 5: Oh, garden block wall deviding me and the neighbors. 388 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So just to be clear, if it's not 389 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: actually holding, if the soil level on the other side 390 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: of the wall isn't significantly higher than on your side, 391 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: or vice versa, it's not a retaining wall. It's it's 392 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: just a blockwall. 393 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: Okay. So a block wall. 394 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: And if it's got it, if it's settled, uh, and 395 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: you know there's and that happens, you know, because honestly, 396 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: a retain if it were retaining wall, you probably wouldn't 397 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: see any cracks in it, because a retaining wall gets 398 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: solid filled with concrete in all of the cells, in 399 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: the grouts in between all of that, and there's steel 400 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: and there's a significant footing. But a block wall can 401 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: just be a simple garden wall. They kind of tend 402 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: builders tend to minimize the footings under it. So I 403 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: totally get it that it's settled some. If it has settled, 404 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: then you've got cracking happening. You can actually you can 405 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: actually find concrete epoxy patch kits at like a local 406 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: hardware store, builder supply home depot, that kind of thing. 407 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: It's not going to and that'll get you patched up 408 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: so that the cracking doesn't continue, and it's not hard 409 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: to use. A lot of it comes in the calking 410 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: tube form where you can put it in a calking gun, 411 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: squirt it in there, fill up the crack and then 412 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: uh and then kind of troal it smooth. Now it's 413 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: not going to look pretty on your side, just to 414 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: say not gonna look pretty, so you may want it 415 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: can at some point, once you fix all the cracks, 416 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: you may want to consider actually painting the wall so 417 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: that it all blends in better. Because there's no way, unfortunately, 418 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: to patch that wall unless the cracking was actually just 419 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: in the mortar joints. There's no way to actually crack 420 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: to fix a cracked cinder block wall without the patch 421 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: showing up unfortunately, just as much if not more visible 422 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: once you patch it than the crack was to begin with. 423 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: So you get some options in after you've patched it. 424 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: If you're going to keep the wall like that, you know, 425 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: maybe paint the wall over, Maybe decide to grow something 426 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: in front of it, or let something like a creeping 427 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: fig kind of ivy sort of creeping plant cling to 428 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: the wall and cover it over, make it more attractive 429 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: in that sense. Or maybe at some point you'd say, 430 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: you know what, we'll patch it for now, but let's 431 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: replace this. Let's replace it with a fence, a wood fence. 432 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: Of are choosing so that you get a better architectural look. 433 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: That's the best I can tell you. Thank you, Ragnar, 434 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: and thanks Eric for your calls. How about some more 435 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: of your calls when we return. You are listening to 436 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: Home with Dean Sharp the House Whisper caf I AM 437 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: six forty and live streaming in HD everywhere on the 438 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. 439 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to home, where every week we. 440 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 1: Help you better understand that place where you live. I 441 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: am Dean Sharp, the house whisper, custom home builder, custom 442 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: home designer, most importantly, today, your guide to turning your 443 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: ordinary house into something truly extraordinary. I tell you what 444 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: we're doing today. It's an all calls day. It is 445 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: it you set the agenda. Anything that is going on 446 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: with your home, whether it be construction issues, DIY questions, 447 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: design concerns, anything at all. The phone lines are open. 448 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: I am here to help you sort it all out. 449 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: We'll put our heads together and we'll get it sorted. 450 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: On that note, how about we go to it. Hey, Mary, 451 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: welcome home. 452 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 6: I have a question about reroofing. I have a small 453 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 6: house about fourteen hundred square feet, was built in nineteen 454 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 6: eighty eight. But it needs the tile lifted and then 455 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 6: the paper laid underneath it. And I'm getting bids on it, 456 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 6: and some of the bids bidders are saying two layers 457 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 6: of paper and others are saying one. 458 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: Okay, So your question is is are two layers necessary? 459 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: Is that a good idea? Is it too much? 460 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: Is it? 461 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? I have a couple of thoughts about it. 462 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: Number one is two layers always better than one when 463 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: it comes to roofing paper, especially because roofing paper will age, 464 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: it will become brittle eventually over time. And the more 465 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: protection you have up there underneath the t tiles, the 466 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: better off you're going to be, a lot of people 467 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: don't realize this, but you know, tiles, roofing tiles, any kind. 468 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: Of roofing material. 469 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: The surface material that we all look at and say, look, 470 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: there's the roof. That is just the top layer, and 471 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: it is not a guarantee in and of itself that 472 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: the roof doesn't leak. What's really doing the true protection 473 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: of the home is the underlayment, that is the building 474 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: paper underneath the tiles. So I always tell people, do 475 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: not shortchange your budget in terms of the underlayment. 476 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: Get the best stuff possible. 477 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: But Mary, since we're on that subject and you raise 478 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: the subject, here is the thing I would prefer. And 479 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: this is just me, and it's up to you, and 480 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: you should bring this up to the roofers who are 481 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: bidding your project. We don't use builder paper anymore, roofing 482 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: paper anymore in the homes that we design and specify 483 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: and in the homes that we actually participate in building, 484 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: because for so long now rubber rized membranes have been 485 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 1: proven themselves so far superior to builder paper. So I 486 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: would recommend that you actually go back and say, okay, fine, fine, fine, 487 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: two layers of building paper. That's fine, but let's talk 488 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: about using a modern membrane underneath my tile. The modern membrane, 489 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: they are self ceiling. They lap onto each other, they seal. 490 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: That's something that builder paper does not do unless the 491 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: builders actually tar it all in which on a normal 492 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: residential roof rarely happens. So the membrane seal, and as 493 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: a result, Number One, when they're all done laying it, 494 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: you have essentially, for all practical purposes, one continuous membrane, 495 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: not just tiers of paper over the house. And two 496 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: other things about them. Number one, they're rubberized, they're they're bitimus, 497 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: they have stretch and give that they never actually lose, 498 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: and so as a result, they do not become brittle 499 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: and tend to break down as quickly over time. In fact, 500 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: they last a lot lot longer than builder paper. They 501 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: even go so far during installation as self ceiling around 502 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: every single nail that gets punctured through them when the 503 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: actual tiles are put on. So there is no doubt 504 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: in my mind, no question in my mind that these 505 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: new modern membrane under layments are superior to builder paper. Now, 506 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: do they cost a little more, Yeah, they do do. 507 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: A lot of builders lead with them when they're bidding 508 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: a job. Know they don't, because it means that their 509 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: bid comes in higher, and then they have to sit 510 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: there and explain to you why it's higher, because you know, 511 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: we're using a better material, and some homeowners just don't 512 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: agree or don't believe them, but you can take it 513 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: from me. I would zero in on the roofer that 514 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: you're thinking about using, and then talk to them about 515 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: a continuous, you know, more advanced underlayment. If you really 516 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: want this this roof job to last forever, talk to 517 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: them about a modern underlayment instead of the roofing paper. 518 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: And there you go. 519 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 6: And that's just one layer that they put down with that. 520 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: That's all you need with that stuff is just one 521 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: layer because it is thick and like I said, it's 522 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: self seals, seals around the nails and it remains pliable 523 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: throughout the years. So one layer is all you need 524 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: and that forever it's gonna last. Yeah, yeah, I mean 525 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: this is this is how we do lifetime roofs. 526 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: I'll put it that way. 527 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: Great. 528 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 6: I really appreciate the help. 529 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: You are so welcome, Mary, and I appreciate the call. 530 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk to Julie. Hey, Julie, welcome home. 531 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 6: Hi Deine. We're looking at getting new windows and I 532 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 6: love the black frame windows, but they're obviously a lot 533 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 6: more expensive. 534 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 7: So I was wondering, what are your thoughts. 535 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 6: On if we just if someone just adjusted black frame 536 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 6: windows in the back of the house and kept the 537 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 6: traditional white frame lens in the front. 538 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: Have no general problems with that whatsoever. In fact, if 539 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: you hear me talk on the show quite often, I'll 540 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: talk about the tech. One of the techniques for upgrading 541 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: a house without touching its traditional curb appeal is to 542 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: treat the facade of the house differently than the backside 543 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: of the house, because from the the facade of the 544 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: house is something that is viewed from outside the house, 545 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: standing on the curb in the street looking at the house. 546 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Then you move into the house, you walk in, and 547 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: once you're past the face of the house, now we're 548 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: inside the house looking out through windows into the backyard, 549 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: it's a completely different experience. And so the idea of 550 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: using black frame windows for the backside of the house 551 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: because you love them and because they work with the 552 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: configuration that you're looking for, in my thinking, in most 553 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: cases most cases, don't quote me on this universally, but 554 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: in most cases, yeah, your freedom to mix it up, 555 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: I would even say, depending on decor. There are times 556 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: when you know there are well, actually you know, I'll 557 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: tell you this. We just finished designing from the ground 558 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: up a new house in Studio City. Some of those 559 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: windows are white traditional framed windows, some of them are 560 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: dark bronze and black traditional windows. Just depending on room 561 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: for room and the effect that we're looking for, and 562 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: on some of the elevations of the house, you can 563 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: see both at the same time. It all depends on 564 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: whether it works with that theme. But as a general rule, 565 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of the mullet approach, right, all 566 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: business up front and party in the back. So keep 567 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: your white frame windows facing the street and do back 568 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: black towards the back of the house and have a blast. 569 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: I think you're completely free to do that in most cases. 570 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: Thanks Julie. For the call. Yes, Yes, it's my mullet theory. 571 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: My mullet theory applies to lots of things. All the time. 572 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to Home We Dean Sharp, the House Whisper 573 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: on KF This has been Home with Dean Sharp, the 574 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: House Whisper. 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