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Speaker 3: with Tony Pike. We are here till six o'clock, hanging

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Speaker 3: out here at Twin Peaks in Florence, an unbelievable place,

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Speaker 3: a great place, and watch what I think is a

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Speaker 3: pretty interesting Monday night football game Carolina and San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: You could watch the bear Cats tonight as they take

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Speaker 3: on the New Jersey Institute of Technology. You could watch

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Speaker 3: that game here you could post up for the night

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Speaker 3: before Thanksgiving and pretend you're hanging out with people you

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Speaker 3: went to high school with. You could watch Black Friday football.

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Speaker 3: You could watch the Saturday Slate. You could watch UK Louisville,

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Speaker 3: Ohio State, Michigan, or the game of the weekend, Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: versus TCU. You can watch all the good teams play

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Speaker 3: on Sunday that don't play on Thursday. You can enjoy

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Speaker 3: to Twin Peaks, every server it says where they're from. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this young lady it says she's from Heaven. Wow, And

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Speaker 3: I believe it.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's interesting that she's here because this

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Speaker 3: weekend was hell.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: That's why we look to the Bearcats tonight against the

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Speaker 4: New Jersey Institute of Technology to right the wrongs of

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Speaker 4: this weekend. And we have to clarify because I had

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Speaker 4: people big mad on social media when I said it.

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Speaker 4: As well, it is highlighted that Xavier did win yesterday.

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Speaker 4: That game was in Cincinnati is what we are discussing,

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Speaker 4: and it was miserable this weekend in Cincinnati. The misery

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Speaker 4: started on Friday night. Outside of the cool high school

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Speaker 4: football game we'll see.

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Speaker 3: But even now, when I was rooting.

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Speaker 4: For Elder, well then misery.

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Speaker 3: Elder invites me to their stag, saying x Nope. So

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Speaker 3: I rooted for Elder.

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Speaker 4: Wether blew lead the other bad weekends me the Bearcats

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Speaker 4: on Friday night, bad, the Bearcats on Saturday Night, worse

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Speaker 4: decision making from Zach Taylor, especially on fourth down atrocious.

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Speaker 4: And FC Cincinnati decided not to show up at TQL

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Speaker 4: Stadium last night, which was odd because if you asked

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Speaker 4: a lot of people going into Friday, which game were

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Speaker 4: you most confident, and many people would have said FC Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is it's one of the worst.

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Speaker 4: My brother texted me last night and he said, I

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Speaker 4: just can't shake it. I'm miserable. He said, was this

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Speaker 4: the worst sports weekend locally ever? And I don't know

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Speaker 4: if I can argue that it wasn't. There's been There's

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Speaker 4: been worse moments, yeah, but I don't know collectively if

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Speaker 4: it's ever been that bad. And the way in which

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Speaker 4: it happened, yeah, might be worse.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals game was competitive, The UC game was the

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Speaker 3: basketball game was pseudo competitive. Frankly, I don't think UC

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Speaker 3: a football show. I texted a friend of mine who

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Speaker 3: knows who's a like FC Cincinnati is his favorite team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, football.

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Speaker 3: FC Cincinnati to him is like UC basketball and you

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Speaker 3: and I and I go, hey, man, I hate to

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Speaker 3: do this, but does it look like FC Cincinnati's players

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Speaker 3: are happy to just watch MESSI and he goes, Yes, maddening, maddening,

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Speaker 3: a frustrating weekend all round, but we're gonna have fun

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Speaker 3: with it. Let's talk about the Bengals game twenty six

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Speaker 4: Was what well, one of the headlines started before the game,

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Speaker 4: and that was Jermaine Burton being inactive, which clearly signifies

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Speaker 4: the end of Jermaine Burton in Cincinnati if you're not

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Speaker 4: going to be active when Jamar Chase isn't, and it

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it made a nice catch, but it started

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Speaker 4: I watched Al Golden maybe, okay, I watched him. It

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Speaker 4: than what we've seen in the past. I think that's

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Speaker 4: a good thing. I thought for the most part, the

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Speaker 4: over the century mark. But to me, the game comes

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Speaker 4: down to something that I feel like I've talked about

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Speaker 4: so much over the last six seven years now, and

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Speaker 4: it's just the complete lack of aggressiveness that I witnessed

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Speaker 4: was three and seven going into it without Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 4: without Jamar Chase, without Trey Hendrickson. The story for me

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Speaker 4: was a head coach of the football team whose team

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Speaker 4: was playing hard, not being aggressive enough in his pursuit

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Speaker 4: of trying to win a football game.

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Speaker 3: Multiple instances of it, starting in the first quarter. They

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Speaker 3: don't go forward on fourth and three from the New

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Speaker 3: England thirty five, they kick a field goal. Kevin McPherson

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Speaker 3: had a good game, a great game, but they settle

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Speaker 3: for three. Dude, you're three and seven, you have a

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Speaker 3: back defense. You're playing a team that hasn't lost on

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Speaker 3: the road, that came in having won eight consecutive games.

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Speaker 3: Third quarter, fourth and four. They punt from their own

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Speaker 3: thirty seven yard line. Didn't hate it as much. Didn't

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Speaker 3: like it, but the coupdi gras, so to speak. First

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Speaker 3: Brown's having a good game. They don't even run a

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Speaker 3: play on fourth and one. They do the let's come

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Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage and try to draw them

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Speaker 3: off sides, which I will acknowledge works on occasion. Usually

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Speaker 3: it does not. What happens more frequently in the NFL

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Speaker 3: a team runs a play and gains yardage, or a

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Speaker 3: team draws the other team.

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Speaker 4: Off sides running to play.

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Speaker 3: The answer is running the play and they take a delay.

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Speaker 3: A game. That is cowardly. Yep, that is absolutely cowardly,

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Speaker 3: and like you're right, like say all the things you

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Speaker 3: want to say about this team, the composition of the ross.

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Speaker 3: Sure they did play hard yesterday. Joe Flacca was battling

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Speaker 3: through multiple injuries. You've got a team that's playing shorthanded

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Speaker 3: because they don't have Trey, they don't have Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 3: they don't have Joe Burrow. They have put themselves position

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Speaker 3: to win. Fourth quarter, the game is in doubt. They're

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Speaker 3: at midfield at the forty five. If they run a

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Speaker 3: play and get stuffed, I can live with it. Sure,

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Speaker 3: they could literally do anything. They could try A pass

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be my go to literally do anything, and I'm

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Speaker 3: good with it to do the whole stupid try to

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Speaker 3: draw them off sides and take it delay a game.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the most cowardly things I've seen Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: It might be the most cowardly thing I've seen Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor do.

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Speaker 4: Punk goes into the end zone. Yes, so you waste

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Speaker 4: that as well.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: What's more many to me is I'm watching it in

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Speaker 4: real time. Third and one, they throw it. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 4: now you go into your back pocket for your best

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Speaker 4: fourth down play and you pick up the first down

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Speaker 4: because I get it, Like, maybe on third down you

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Speaker 4: think that New England thinking what here comes a run?

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Speaker 4: You catch him in a compromising situation on defense, and

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Speaker 4: then you get a big play. Once you don't get

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Speaker 4: the third down one thousand percent of the time, you're

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Speaker 4: going forward on fourth down. Yes, the fact that they didn't,

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Speaker 4: I agree, is one of the most cowardly action coaching

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Speaker 4: that I can remember witnessing. Oh, by the way they

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Speaker 4: ran it yesterday for over five yards of carry. Chase

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Speaker 4: Brown every time he got a ball on a handoff

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Speaker 4: average five point six yards per carry, didn't touch it

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Speaker 4: on third down, didn't get a chance to on fourth

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Speaker 4: down because you punted the ball. That to me is

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Speaker 4: completely backwards. It goes against everything again that a three

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Speaker 4: and seven football team should be shielded against three and seven?

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Speaker 3: What are you?

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Speaker 4: You're hoping for overtime, playing for a tough, close loss

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Speaker 4: that you can build off of. All I hear about

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Speaker 4: it's winning. It's about winning finding wins. You know how

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Speaker 4: you find wins? You go for it on fourth down.

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Speaker 4: More you run the ball on third down and pick

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Speaker 4: up a first down. You can't convince me true serum,

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Speaker 4: given that Joe Flacco is not compromised, of course he is.

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Speaker 4: How many times did he drop back and throw yesterday

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Speaker 4: thirty seven? How many ball and how many times did

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Speaker 4: Chase Brown get the ball nineteen carries on a day

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Speaker 4: where your quarterback was compromised clearly, and yeah for the

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Speaker 4: most part, one score game all day. Yeah, you handed

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Speaker 4: it to Chase Brown nineteen times and you let Joe

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Speaker 4: Flacco drop back and throw at thirty seven. That to me,

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Speaker 4: it's again I use the word malpractice a ton, cowardly, malpractice,

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Speaker 4: whatever you want to say about it. That pun on

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Speaker 4: fourth down was that. It's coaching scared. Yep, coaching did

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Speaker 3: It's if I'm one of those offensive linemen, if I'm

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Speaker 3: Chase Brown, if I'm Joe Flacco, Hell, if I'm anybody

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Speaker 3: on that defense, I am furious at my coach right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're in the fourth quarter. Possessions are limited. You're basically midfield.

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Speaker 3: It's not fourth and four, not fourth and two, it's

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Speaker 3: fourth and one. There is no reason to do anything

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Speaker 3: except line up and call a play. Like again, I

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Speaker 3: understand it. It's a tactic that has been employed for decades.

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Speaker 3: Teams come to the line of scrimmage, they do the

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Speaker 3: hard count. Doesn't work on occasion, Yes, yeah, it does.

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Speaker 3: Line up and run a play. I think you have

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Speaker 3: more of a chance of getting the first down running

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Speaker 3: a play. The average NFL play gains yardage. Run a

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Speaker 3: play instead of but are we come to the line

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage, try to draw them off sides. It's the

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Speaker 3: coward's way of getting the first down.

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Speaker 4: Worst case scenario, they snap it ted, Carris gets beat,

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Speaker 4: no game, they get the ball back. My fine, we're

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Speaker 4: not sitting here today right starting to show that. Right,

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Speaker 4: we're saying they were aggressive, Yes, didn't happen, and you're

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Speaker 4: still end up losing the game.

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Speaker 3: I can live with as a fan. I can live

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Speaker 3: with the shortcomings that come with being aggressive. I can

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Speaker 3: live with the Reds having guys who force the issue

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Speaker 3: and go first to third. Occasionally they're gonna makeouts.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I can live with a team that says, you know what,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna steal bases. I can live with a basketball

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Speaker 3: team that decides, you know what, we're gonna play aggressive

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Speaker 3: defense and put a lot of pressure on the ball.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you're gonna get beat. Sometimes you're gonna bring a

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Speaker 3: double team and the dude you leave is gonna get

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Speaker 3: an open shot. I can live with that. I can

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Speaker 3: so whenever they're in an NFL game, is a decision

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Speaker 3: to be made whether or not to go forward on

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Speaker 3: fourth and short, even fourth and medium. The fourth Down

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Speaker 3: Decision Bot weighs in and they're, in their words, strong recommendation. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: strong recommendation fourth and one, thirteen ten to go balth

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Speaker 3: Own forty five was to go for it, you know again,

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Speaker 3: like you asked, you mentioned this before. There is the

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Speaker 3: mentality part of this. There's the common sense part of this.

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Speaker 3: There's there's not wanting to lean on a defense which

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Speaker 3: has been atrocious all season long. There's down in distance,

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Speaker 3: there's the emotional part of this. The mathematics say you

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Speaker 3: have a very good chance of converting on fourth and one.

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Speaker 3: The mathematics say, if you have the ball at the

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Speaker 3: forty five yard line, that is really a place where

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Speaker 3: you want to go forward on fourth and one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and again I just go back. I guess there's

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Speaker 4: maybe an argument. I guess there's maybe an argument down

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Speaker 4: the stretch. If you're running the ball for two yards

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Speaker 4: of carry and the old line has just been getting

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Speaker 4: dominated all day, that wasn't the case. So if I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at a box score and a game ends and

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Speaker 4: you're running back ran for five point six yards of

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Speaker 4: carry and you're not going forward on fourth and one

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Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter of a winnable game, what message

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Speaker 4: are you sending to the rest of the team. What

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Speaker 4: message are you sending to Chase Brown to the O line?

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Speaker 4: What message are you sending to the defense? What message

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Speaker 4: are you sending to the fan base? You're punting on

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to go try to win a football game.

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Speaker 3: The message, and I know we've hit it hard, The

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Speaker 3: message is I'm scared. You could say it's well his messages.

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Speaker 3: I don't trust my offense, I don't trust my team.

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Speaker 3: The message to me is I'm scared.

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Speaker 4: Is he worried they run a fourth down play and

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Speaker 4: it's a terrible call, and then we're picking that apart.

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Speaker 4: But at least if we were picking that apart, we

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Speaker 4: would say love him going for it. Just don't like

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Speaker 4: the play.

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Speaker 3: Call or the execution of the play call like anything.

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Speaker 3: Put it, you've played it at the highest level. To me,

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Speaker 3: if I'm on that offensive line, if I'm Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 3: if I'm Chase Brown, put the game in my hands. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: put the play in my hands. If I don't execute,

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Speaker 3: it's on me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If we don't execute, it's on us. Give us a chance,

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Speaker 3: and if we don't take advantage of the chance, all right,

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Speaker 3: we're accountable for it. I thought Zach Taylor showed distrust

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Speaker 3: in his team, and I just think he showed cowardice. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Again, they're three and seven. I don't along everything we've said.

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Speaker 4: At the core of it, They're three and seven. What

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Speaker 4: do you have to lose in a football game like that?

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Speaker 4: I mean you could draw a parallel mel to what

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Speaker 4: we saw Saturday night. Mm hmm, Like you see, got

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Speaker 4: inside the five yard line, fourth and one, they went

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Speaker 4: for it. I don't have a problem at all about

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Speaker 4: going for it.

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Speaker 3: None.

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Speaker 4: I hated the play call, Yeah, because It was the

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Speaker 4: exact play call they just used on the same drive

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Speaker 4: on front and inches. Not one person has said, man,

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Speaker 4: I wish they would have kicked that field goal. I

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Speaker 4: didn't like the play design that they just had ran

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Speaker 4: it and showed BYU that play, but I love the

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Speaker 4: aggressiveness of going for it. That's at worse the conversation

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Speaker 4: we'd have today if they didn't pick.

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Speaker 3: Up the fourth down. A couple of pole questions. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we'll get to the first one here in a bit.

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Speaker 3: Both are on Twitter at moegar thanks to United Heartland Insurance.

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Speaker 3: But one of my pole questions is this, because I,

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Speaker 3: as a general rule, don't like the come to the

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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, try to draw m off sides. If

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Speaker 3: you take a delay a game and that set of circumstances,

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Speaker 3: I think the penalty should be like thirty five yards.

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Speaker 4: I'm good with that.

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Speaker 3: You agree, yes, or half the distance to the goal.

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Speaker 4: It was a play we criticized them for the week before.

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Speaker 4: Had Jamar Chase not gotten into the incident he did right,

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Speaker 4: They did the exact same thing and they were going

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Speaker 4: to punt the ball again. Yes, had that happened not

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Speaker 4: happened with Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey. So it happened,

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Speaker 4: criticized him. One week later, happened again. Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 4: Jalen Ramsey didn't get in a fight to save Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 4: This time from not being more of an issue. It's

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Speaker 4: the same exact thing. They tried, the same exact thing

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Speaker 4: last week, and we're going to punt the ball away

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Speaker 4: just as they did yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Also, can Ryan Rico put one inside the ten?

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Speaker 4: Be nice?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you take you take the delay a game right,

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Speaker 3: and you take the five yards to give your guy

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Speaker 3: a little bit more room. Now, Ryan Rico has a

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Speaker 3: great leg, but I don't need a great leg there,

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Speaker 3: No I need I need a guy who could drop

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Speaker 3: one inside the ten.

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Speaker 4: Put one sky high and let your gunners go down

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Speaker 4: there and catch.

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Speaker 3: The ball sails in into the end zone and so like.

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Speaker 3: Don't absolve him of blame either, Yeah, oh I'm not.

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Speaker 3: But it just added to the disaster. That was a

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Speaker 3: decision to punt that ball away. It made it even worse.

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Speaker 3: There are other things to discuss, eh sixteen away from

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Speaker 3: uh four o'clock. No, the takeaway of the game for me,

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Speaker 3: walking out of the Stadium yesterday. Was not how Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco played. It wasn't the good and bad from the defense,

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Speaker 3: and there was a combination of both. It was that play,

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Speaker 3: I mean. And there were other instances and we went

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Speaker 3: over than before where they could have and you could

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Speaker 3: argue should have gone for it, But that one right there,

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. I cannot find the argument. There are

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Speaker 3: a lot of things that I believe in, like the

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow thing. I would rest them, I'd sit them,

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Speaker 3: but I get it, like I understand the argument for

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Speaker 3: playing them. It doesn't bother me that much because they're

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Speaker 3: still in it. There are a lot of things that

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Speaker 3: I prefer this, but I could see that, I could

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Speaker 3: see why you would want to do this in this instance.

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Speaker 3: It baffles me. I have no remote idea why you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't go for it there on fourth and inches.

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Speaker 4: I don't have the answer.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it. It is fourteen away from four

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Speaker 3: About football show, Twin Peaks and Florence. This is ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. We are here till six o'clock Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it did not play yesterday. He is, for what

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Speaker 3: it's worth, scheduled to meet with the media tomorrow. He

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Speaker 3: on his Instagram feed about twenty minutes ago, has issued

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Speaker 3: a statement about the incident in Pittsburgh last week, and

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Speaker 3: I will read it for you verbatim. This is from

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase's Instagram feed, where he writes to my team fans,

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Speaker 3: the Bengals organization, the Steelers organization, and the NFL community.

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Speaker 3: Please know I am speaking from my heart when I

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Speaker 3: say I take full responsibility for my actions during last

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Speaker 3: Sunday's game at Pittsburgh. What I did was wrong. The

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Speaker 3: circumstances don't matter. My passion for the game is no excuse.

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Speaker 3: There's zero place in our sport or in life for

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Speaker 3: that level of disrespect. I want to personally apologize to

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Speaker 3: everyone within the Pittsburgh Steelers organization. I let my emotions

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Speaker 3: in the moment get the better of me. I can

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Speaker 3: only hope and trust you know none of it represents

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Speaker 3: what I am not as a competitor, teammate, or person.

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Speaker 3: He continues Jamar Chase. I also want to apologize to

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Speaker 3: my coaches, teammates, and organization for not meeting my own

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Speaker 3: standards as a leader of this team. This has been

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Speaker 3: a tough season with some incredibly hard losses. We've all

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Speaker 3: been frustrated. But instead of stepping up with calm, class

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Speaker 3: and leadership, I let you down. My having to sit

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Speaker 3: out yesterday's game makes my actions even more inexcusable. I

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Speaker 3: won't let it happen again, continues Finally, I want to

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Speaker 3: apologize to my fans. I do not take anyone who

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Speaker 3: wears my jersey for granted, I do not take my

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Speaker 3: position as a role model lightly. As someone who strives

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Speaker 3: to lead with character and authenticity, I should have taken

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Speaker 3: immediate accountability for what happened. I am committed to earning

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Speaker 3: back your respect, not just with words, but with my

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Speaker 3: actions day after day, on and off the field. I

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Speaker 3: promise to keep learning from this and to set a

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Speaker 3: higher standard for myself moving forward with respect Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 3: So there you go, There you go. Now. One may

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Speaker 3: point out the fact that he doesn't specifically mention Jalen Ramsey.

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Speaker 3: It's noteworthy to me that he mentions not taking a

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Speaker 3: median accountability for what he did. Sure, I'm ready to

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Speaker 3: move on.

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Speaker 4: I'm good at at the end of the day. It

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Speaker 4: would have been nice, you know, the day after sure

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Speaker 4: to do something like that in the locker room and

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Speaker 4: not let it sit for as long as it did.

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Speaker 4: But the time has been served and served in Clifton

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Speaker 4: from what I understand. Yeah, he's working out of the

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Speaker 4: new indoor facility on University of Cincinnati's campus. Yeah, the

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Speaker 4: time has passed. He made a mistake. You own up

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Speaker 4: to it, you move on from it.

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Speaker 3: And you go, could he have said anything to like

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Speaker 3: a Brendan Soresby, Like, hey, you think so? You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm the best target on my team and my quarterback

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Speaker 3: throws me the ball yep, And so maybe it.

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Speaker 4: Was a game this year I got twenty three targets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you should.

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Speaker 4: Does Royer have twenty three targets this season?

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Speaker 3: I think he has twenty nine catches. Okay, I think

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Speaker 3: that's the number right now.

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Speaker 4: All right. I don't even seem like that much.

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Speaker 3: I said this last week, Jamar Chase. I'm a body

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Speaker 3: of work guy. Jamar's body of work has been awesome.

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Speaker 3: I give people a chance to learn, I give people

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Speaker 3: a chance to grow, and I'm gonna do that with Jamar.

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Speaker 3: I wish he wouldn't have done it. I'm sure he's

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Speaker 3: gonna be asked tomorrow more questions about it. That's you know,

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Speaker 3: that's part of the gig. I'm sure he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: asked why he didn't specifically mention Jalen Ramsey. And I'm

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Speaker 3: sure folks in Pittsburgh are going to pretend to be

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Speaker 3: mad about that. But the apology is out there, and

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Speaker 3: I hope Jamar plays his ass off on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: It does now bring a different level uh to his

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Speaker 4: game of All right, let's let's not get in a

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Speaker 4: habit of fifteen yard penalties. Yeah, it's not gonna habit

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Speaker 4: of hurting our team. You know, this is a learning

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Speaker 4: experience you you are now when you open yourself up

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Speaker 4: to something like this, whether you think it's right or wrong.

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Speaker 4: What do you think other defensive players are going to say?

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Speaker 3: Now? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Hell, yeah, he's vulnerable. If I'm Marlon Humphrey on Thursday,

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Speaker 4: lets getting his head. Let's see what we can do. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: let's let's let's let's push the border here, let's paid him.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's let's give him a jab after a whistle.

651
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Speaker 4: You know, let's let's play on the edge and see

652
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: if we can't get something out of Jamar Chase. You

653
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: have made that now target bigger for players to try

654
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 4: to take advantage of. So you have to be a

655
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Speaker 4: bigger and better person going forward because of it.

656
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrows should be throwing passes to Jamar Chase on

657
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Speaker 3: Thursday night. We'll spend some time on that when we

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Speaker 3: Don't you be here? You should be here, You should

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695
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Speaker 3: game yesterday. They're like, hey, there's Dayton Donna. She didn't

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Speaker 3: notice me, but like three people did and they thought

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Speaker 3: I was like being weird. Yeah, They're like that woman

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Speaker 3: doesn't know who you are, Like she just doesn't hear me, right,

699
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Speaker 3: all the loud cheering for the Bengals defense as good

700
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Speaker 3: as it was yesterday. Joe Burrow is gonna play on Thursday.

701
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Speaker 3: At least that's the plan here. Zach Taylor acknowledged as much.

702
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: The Bengals in their media advisory notes late last week

703
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Speaker 3: sent out the schedule for the week and listed to

704
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Speaker 3: two forty five tomorrow is Bengals quarterback. So we'll assume

705
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Speaker 3: this is gonna be Joe Burrow talking tomorrow because they

706
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: have written him in and pencil, maybe even penn he

707
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Speaker 3: social media. He's gonna start at QB, so he's gonna go.

708
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Speaker 3: I don't think any of us are surprised he's gonna play.

709
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Speaker 3: How should I feel about this?

710
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Speaker 4: Apprehensive? I think would be a good way to put it.

711
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 4: There's two factors that go into this. There's one. There's

712
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: the Joe Burrow factor of flat out you're running him

713
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Speaker 4: back out there, and there is we don't know this

714
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: because we're not in on the meetings. If Ted Carris

715
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Speaker 4: gets pushed back and steps directly on the toe, what

716
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Speaker 4: are the ramifications of that? Like I went through this vividly.

717
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 4: I've talked about this in two thousand and nine when

718
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: I rebroke my arm, I had conversations with the training

719
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Speaker 4: staff because I wanted to get back. The coaching staff

720
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Speaker 4: wanted me to get back. People in your life are

721
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Speaker 4: wanting you to get back. Teammates are wanting you to

722
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Speaker 4: get back. I had to rely on the trainers. No

723
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Speaker 4: one asked me, by the way no one asked you

724
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Speaker 4: at the time. I had to rely on the trainers

725
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: because they're the ones that have your best interest in

726
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Speaker 4: mind to say, here's what it is, and you lay

727
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Speaker 4: out every possible situation. And I was told, there will

728
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 4: be paying there'll be things to get through, but you're

729
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Speaker 4: not gonna hurt it any worse. So for me, okay,

730
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Speaker 4: green light, let's go play. So there's that aspect of

731
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Speaker 4: the Joe Burrow side of things. There is obviously the

732
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Speaker 4: ability of this team to play higher level, maybe win

733
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Speaker 4: some games down the stretch, but you also do run

734
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Speaker 4: the risk of running him back out there. Are you

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Speaker 4: gonna be able to operate in the same way that

736
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Speaker 4: you're operating now where the running games had some success.

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Speaker 4: I think it's significant that you're gonna be operating now

738
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Speaker 4: without t Higgins as well. That allows defenses to change

739
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Speaker 4: things up on how they're gonna guard Jamar Chase, maybe

740
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Speaker 4: you gotta hold on the ball for a little bit longer.

741
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Speaker 4: And there's also the fact of the matter is are

742
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Speaker 4: you wanting to win games down the stretch? I know

743
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 4: winning is important. I've heard Zach Taylor say.

744
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Speaker 3: It enough, it's important to him. But let's just.

745
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Speaker 4: Draw the scenario today. Right now, the Bengals I think

746
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Speaker 4: would select around eight or nine in the draft. A

747
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 4: lot of draft prospects view Caleb Downs as going in

748
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Speaker 4: that spot. If you win a couple of games, Caleb

749
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Speaker 4: Downs probably won't be there at thirteen or fourteen. So,

750
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Speaker 4: like at the very core of it, there's that level

751
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: to this as well. And I'm not saying like brow games,

752
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Speaker 4: but no one had this problem when it was Bengals

753
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 4: Dolphins years ago. Loser got Joe Burrow, right, no one

754
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Speaker 4: had the problem of losing that game because you're gonna

755
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Speaker 4: get Joe Burrow. Well, are you willing to risk draft

756
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Speaker 4: stock now in order to win what is meaningless football

757
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: down the stretch? There are all of those things that

758
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Speaker 4: go into Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that part of it. For me, regardless

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Speaker 3: of who the quarterback is, I'd like to think my

761
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: players are gonna play hard. So I'm not making for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm not making the Joe Burrow decision because I'm I'm

763
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Speaker 3: thinking about the draft. If we end up not winning

764
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Speaker 3: games that don't matter, and a side benefit of that

765
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Speaker 3: is we get a better draft choice. Okay, but I

766
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Speaker 3: don't expect next year's draft to inform their decision making

767
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Speaker 3: about who plays, game strategies or any of that. This

768
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Speaker 3: is simple for me. I am willing to go overboard

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Speaker 3: to protect my most prized assets. I am willing to

770
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Speaker 3: go overboard to protect my most important investments. Joe Burrow

771
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: is their most important investment. I am willing to go

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Speaker 3: overboard to protect him, and so for me, that involves

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Speaker 3: him not playing on Thursday. I do understand I'm going

774
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: overboard here. I would be surprised if Joe was capable

775
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Speaker 3: of playing and willing to play. I would be surprised

776
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Speaker 3: at this point. At the Bengal said, no, they are

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Speaker 3: not mathematically eliminated. As far fetched as it is. They

778
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: do not have an X next to their name and

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Speaker 3: the standings, and so while my preference is go overboard

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Speaker 3: to protect that asset because I want to get a

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00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: jump start on next year, I get it. He's gonna play,

782
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: they have a shot. By the way, there's also this.

783
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: I love watching him play absolutely, and as a fan

784
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: as much as I've become a fan of Joe Flacco.

785
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Speaker 3: This has been a hellish season. If I can get

786
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: a couple of games just watching Joe Burrow do Joe

787
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: Burrow things, that's fun. When when they are eliminated, and

788
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: unfortunately it feels like more of a matter of when

789
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: than if. When they are eliminated, you cannot convince me

790
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: that it makes any sense for him to be playing,

791
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: especially if you look at those games down the stretch.

792
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: I don't think either Miami, Arizona or Cleveland is going

793
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: to be playing for anything.

794
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: Cleveland Miles Garrett might be playing for his thirtieth sack

795
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: of the year right the way he's playing it right

796
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Speaker 4: at this level, which again is another reason I wouldn't

797
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Speaker 4: want Burrow in anyway.

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Speaker 3: Right. So it's one thing if if you're playing a

799
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Speaker 3: team that's fighting somebody else for a playoff spot, and

800
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: there's some integrity of the sport issues there, don't love it,

801
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: But okay, if you're playing out the string in games

802
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: that simply do not matter for either team, you cannot

803
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: convince me it makes sense for him to play. Nope,

804
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: you cannot convince me it makes sense for the most

805
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: prized asset to be put in hearty.

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Speaker 4: And so again, is there a number of games you're

807
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: good with or is it just straight mathematical elimination for men?

808
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: Straight mathematical elimination? And again, man, like, I admit this,

809
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: I am willing to go overboard to protect my most

810
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 3: prized assets.

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Speaker 4: Like if Thursday Night happens, they lose a close one,

812
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: he gets sacked five times, and we're having moments again

813
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: like we did last year, where you're holding your breath,

814
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: but they're still mathematically eligis like, are you still going?

815
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Speaker 4: Are you sending him to Buffalo the next week to

816
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: start again?

817
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: If it's me, he's not playing at all, right, But

818
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm trying to say is like I

819
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: acknowledge my position is kind of extreme, sure, because that's

820
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Speaker 3: how much I value him, and because this whole thing

821
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: falls apart if he's not available next year, And frankly,

822
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: I am more interested in next year than I am.

823
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Speaker 3: A last ditch effort to make the postseason, which has

824
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: a very very very very small chance of paying off.

825
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Speaker 4: So this team won a Super Bowl this year. No, No,

826
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 4: the ultimate right, the ultimate goal, and the best chance

827
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Speaker 4: to reach that ultimate goal is if he's healthy to

828
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Speaker 4: start next year.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I'm all about winning the championship. When can

830
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: they next win the championship? As far fetched as it

831
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: may sound, as next, I guess what I'm trying to

832
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: say is here's what I would do. I would shelve him.

833
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: I cannot get mad at them for playing him on Thursday,

834
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Speaker 3: assuming he's physically where he needs to be, because they

835
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 3: haven't been mathematically eliminated. Now, if they lose and they're

836
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: sitting there at three and nine, while at that point

837
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: I guess they still won't be mathematically eliminated, then I

838
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: think you kind of have to take a look at

839
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: yourself organizationally and go, all right, we have five games

840
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: to go. Does this make any sense whatsoever? I want

841
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: to be clear on this. If I ran the organization,

842
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: which I think would be cool if I if I

843
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: do too, If I ran the organization, Joe Burrow would

844
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: be done. I put on Twitter yesterday like I'd give

845
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: him the keys to like an Airbnb somewhere in the Caribbean,

846
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: and I would tell that guy man we'll see in April, like,

847
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 3: we don't need you here. But I cannot get upset

848
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: at them having him play games that matter. Yeah, when

849
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: they're done and the man does not work at all

850
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: and you're playing out the string, I don't want Joe

851
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: Burrow to be in a stadium, much less on the

852
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: field taking snaps.

853
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: I get like, I just I wish, I wish we

854
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: got the answer of if he gets stepped on, can

855
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 4: it rebreak like?

856
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it healed?

857
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: To the point of that is it? Is he capable

858
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 4: of going under center? Is he capable of pushing off?

859
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: Is his pocket movement going to be at all compromised?

860
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: Your offense is compromised without t Higgins right, Your your

861
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: offense is different with the whole under center verse shotgun conversation.

862
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Speaker 4: You're going into a hostile environment in a division game

863
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: where they don't like you, and they are playing for

864
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 4: still their playoff life, which is a lot more alive

865
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 4: than what yours is. If you're the Cincinnati Bank goes,

866
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 4: every box better be checked. There better be no limitations

867
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: when he's running out there, because if there is, then

868
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 4: you're doin him and this organization of disservice because say

869
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 4: what you want. Do I enjoy watching Joe Burrow?

870
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: Yes?

871
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: Selfishly? Am I excited that on Thanksgiving Night I get

872
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: to watch Joe Burrow play?

873
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: Yes?

874
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that wouldn't be as fun without it. But the

875
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: goal is a super Bowl. They're not winning one this year.

876
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 4: If you want any chance to win one next year,

877
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: he needs to play seventeen regular season football games.

878
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: And I will say this, the fact that he didn't

879
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: play this week suggests that they're making decisions with some

880
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: level of prudence. Sure, they're not. I think we all

881
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: have this fear that they were going to do something

882
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: that was kind of irresponsible. The fact that they played

883
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: it the way they did would suggest that somebody is thinking,

884
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: whether it's Zach, whether it's Duke, whether it's Mike, whether

885
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: it's Katie, whether it's Liz, whether it's Joe Burrow himself,

886
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: somebody is applying some common sense here, and so that's

887
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: a good thing. Yeah, that's not an insignificant development at all.

888
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: But like you also have to remember here, the original

889
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 3: best K's timeline was mid December. Yeah, we're not there yet. No,

890
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: it was mid December for him to return. And so

891
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: while I think it's cool as hell that he has

892
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: put himself in a position to be back. Never underestimate

893
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. Admire the hell out of his willingness to

894
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: work his ass off to get ready to play. I

895
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 3: don't think anybody should be surprised if we find out

896
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: that he physically isn't one thousand percent when he takes

897
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: the field on Thursday, because he's not supposed to be

898
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 3: back yet. Let me go to the original timeline.

899
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 4: Let me take this a step further than Thursday night

900
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: in Baltimore happens just a disastrous start for the defense,

901
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: twenty one nothing, all of a sudden. Are you then

902
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: going to ask Joe Burrow to throw fifty times? Are

903
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: you going to ask him to drop back? And again

904
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: it's a it's a it's an extreme scenario. Yeah, but

905
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 4: this is a bad defense. It is Lamar Jackson. They

906
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 4: don't tackle well already. Let's say Baltimore just jumps all

907
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: over him all of a sudden. You can't be balanced.

908
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 4: Are you trying to play to win the game, because

909
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 4: if you are, you're gonna ask him to throw it

910
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty five times, right? Or are you gonna

911
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: come out and run the ball and try to stay balanced. Like,

912
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 4: those are the questions that run through my mind. It'd

913
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: be great if it was a one possession game and

914
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 4: you could ask him to drop back twenty five times.

915
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 4: What if it's not? What if they take a big lead?

916
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 4: Is there anything about you to say, come sit on

917
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 4: the bench?

918
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 5: Ye?

919
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 4: Like, we'll pick it up again and we'll do it

920
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 4: next week. Because now now I've got a defense that's

921
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 4: pinning their ears back. I've got a higher likelihood for pressure,

922
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: higher likelihood for sacks. That's what I mean. Bike. Are

923
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 4: there limitations to him coming back?

924
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

925
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: Like again, do you want to see him on Thursday

926
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: night drop back forty five times?

927
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: No? No? No?

928
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: So does anything that happens in the game dictate anything

929
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow?

930
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: I think in life you let circumstances dictate how you

931
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: make your decisions, and so apply context. Right, How is

932
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: the game unfolding? Are they down twenty one in the

933
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 3: second quarter? Are they teeing off on him? Do they

934
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: have no chance of blocking him? Is he limping a

935
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: little bit too much? Is he dealing with like is

936
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: it compromised? Yeah? Like, let's I'm certainly willing to let

937
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: the game play out. But yeah, there are scenarios in

938
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: that guy have to be discussed where you're like, dude,

939
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: hit to eject button. This isn't this isn't a good idea.

940
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: I hope we don't get there. You have to allow

941
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: for that. You can't have him dropping back forty five

942
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: to fifty fifty five times no on on Thursday, because

943
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: then you're just playing with fire in a game that

944
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: it matters. But again, you're going into it three and.

945
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: Eight, meaning yeah, yeah, I think all all conversations that

946
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 4: have to be had. It's not just as easy as

947
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 4: player don't play no, Like that's the thing like inside

948
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 4: those walls this week, and those are the conversations that

949
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: need to be happy.

950
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 3: I also don't think it's as easy as Joe wants

951
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: to play, so he plays. You're allowed to tell him no.

952
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: We all love Joe Burrow, you're allowed to tell him no.

953
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: I want a quarterback who wants to play like. I

954
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 3: want a guy who says I'm gonna work my tail

955
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 3: off to get back even earlier than anybody thinks. Yeah,

956
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep myself in great shape, like I want

957
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: to be out there. That is everything you want in

958
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: a player. It's certainly everything you want in a quarterback.

959
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: But you are allowed at some point to tell him, Joe,

960
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: for the betterment of our organization and for your career,

961
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense to have you out there anymore. Yeah,

962
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: you're allowed to tell him.

963
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 11: No.

964
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: You know, two thousand and nine against West Virginia, I

965
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 4: just played in the red zone. That's right, and we

966
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: just keep Joe as maybe the red zone guy.

967
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: What was that like?

968
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 4: Easy for me? I'm lad of work on about twelve plays,

969
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 4: you know, could Joe? Could Joe be like the third

970
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: and fourth and short guy. Could he give me and

971
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: be like, hey, Zach, I'll take care of this. We're

972
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: going to go for this.

973
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: Hey, if you need a guy to do the let

974
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: him draw.

975
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: He's working on that.

976
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll see if I can draw them off sides

977
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: and then we'll take the lay a game, time out.

978
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 4: Take a time out.

979
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I do have on on Twitter one

980
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: of the two pole questions thanks to United Heartland Insurance.

981
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: The first one was gonna be about, if you were

982
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: in charge, would you have Joe Burrow play on Thursday?

983
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: And the electorate is a little bit split fifty four no,

984
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: forty six percent say yes. But sixty nine percent of

985
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: folks responding to our other pole question in favor of

986
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: a thirty five yard penalty. If you try to draw

987
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: a team off sides and take it to lay a game.

988
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 4: That's crazy. That only that you said sixty nine percent. Yeah, man,

989
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 4: that's that's lower than I expected.

990
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: We've got some time, Yeah, we've got some time. Twenty

991
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1012
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: line comes away the defense. You know, I'm certainly willing

1013
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 3: to give credit words due Gino Stone played a good

1014
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: game yesterday, played a really good game yesterday. Had to

1015
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: pick six, makes some really good play in the goal line.

1016
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: Bengals defense on the goal line was terrific. They didn't

1017
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 3: get totally torched. Now they had no prayer of covering

1018
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: the middle of the field Hunter unbelievable. Yesterday. The Bengals

1019
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: linebackers continue to be terrible. They couldn't get a stop,

1020
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: they couldn't get a three and out, they couldn't get

1021
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 3: a turnover in the fourth quarter when they were down

1022
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: by three points. They were better yesterday. I would stop

1023
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 3: short of saying, boy, Dave turned the corner? Is that correct?

1024
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 9: Yes?

1025
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: They I thought our goal yesterday opened up the playbook

1026
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 4: a little bit. You know, we use the term emptying

1027
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 4: the kitchen sink as it relates to Zach Taylor and

1028
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: not going forward on fourth down. I thought for a

1029
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 4: time yesterday I'll Golden kind of did empty it. We

1030
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: saw more pressures, we saw more different looks. We saw

1031
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 4: Chris Jenkins dropping in the coverage on one play. At

1032
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: least he's trying stuff.

1033
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 3: Is that something you want? No?

1034
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 4: But at least there are things happening now.

1035
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: At least Dak sill get three pass interference flags. Yeah,

1036
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: was the one on the goal one a good call?

1037
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 4: Like by the letter of the law. Yes, I'm just

1038
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: what I'm done watching on Saturdays and Sundays. Are DB's

1039
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 4: not turning to locate the ball?

1040
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 3: Yes?

1041
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 4: Yes, like we see that a lot of you see,

1042
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 4: We've seen it a lot with the Cincinnati Bengals. It's

1043
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 4: maddening to me just turn and look when you're in position.

1044
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: But I thought they played hard yesterday, which, again, at

1045
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 4: times I think has been lacking. So I will give

1046
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 4: them credit for playing hard. Geno Stone, give them or

1047
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 4: do you acknowledge it? I want to say acknowledge it,

1048
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 4: because it's it's the prerequisite that you're supposed to play us.

1049
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 4: I'll also say that I think a lot of the

1050
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 4: people that are around here today inside this establishment may

1051
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 4: have been able to come up with that interception from

1052
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 4: Drake May yesterday that Geno Stone did. But I'll give

1053
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 4: credit where credits due. He made the play. They have

1054
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 4: a long way to go. You're not gonna go from

1055
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: the worst defense in the history of the NFL to Okay,

1056
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 4: they're back. They're okay, especially when you got to turn

1057
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 4: around Thursday and deal with Lamar Jackson and then Josh Allen,

1058
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: show me what you can do the next two weeks,

1059
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: and then we'll have a conversation on have they turned

1060
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 4: a corner or not, and maybe we can have more

1061
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 4: of a conversation on guys that maybe you can rely

1062
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 4: on going forward. I thought in the first half Miles

1063
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 4: Murphy provided some pressures. I thought he was good for

1064
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 4: back to back games, but we are far far away

1065
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Speaker 4: from anything along the lines of turning a page or

1066
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Speaker 4: turning a corner. Thursday will be a huge test.

1067
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Speaker 3: Do you ever confuse Hunter Henry with Hayden Hurst a

1068
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 3: little bit? I have to pause every time I say,

1069
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: and that includes the year that Hunter was here.

1070
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Speaker 4: I mean I had to do it yesterday because I

1071
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Speaker 4: had no.

1072
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Speaker 3: Sorry, we had Hayden, they have Hunter.

1073
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: Yeah I didn't. I didn't remember hearing or seeing much

1074
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 4: of Hunter Henry throughout the season. No, much like I

1075
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: didn't with Darnell Washington.

1076
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Speaker 3: As soon as you see those linebackers in the skyting

1077
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 3: report bart demetriously.

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Speaker 4: You think Mark Andrews Isaiah likely they got that colar

1079
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 4: guy like they've got.

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00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: Oh, they're gonna bring that like Todd Heap's gonna come

1081
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: out of retire.

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00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 4: They're gonna travel, they're gonna they're gonna come out with

1083
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 4: like nine ten tight ends on the roster.

1084
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: But like it's it's true, though, why wouldn't you play

1085
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 3: the Bengals. Wouldn't you just go screw it? We're gonna

1086
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 3: throw the ball in middlefield every time?

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Speaker 4: Linebacker and safety play is terrible, right, That's where the

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00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 4: safeties and linebackers are guarding.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't throw a DJ Turner a lot right now?

1091
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Speaker 4: I think he's playing really.

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Speaker 3: Well, very well.

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00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, that would be the next line of

1094
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: of of business for me. I attacked the middle of

1095
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 4: the field, which again draws parallels to conversations we've had

1096
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 4: about the Bearcats, and then we will about the Bearcats.

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00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 4: It's crazy how these two are just starting to mirror

1098
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: each other and what we're talking about. Look, I think

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00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: the development at linebacker has been one of the most

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 4: fascinating storylines to go south for this team. Think what

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00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 4: you want about when Al Golden was named the decordinator.

1102
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: Do you know what I thought when he was named

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: the coordinator, Well, he was the linebacker coach, so at

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00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: least we don't have to worry about that position. And

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00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: then we spent way too much time talking about orin

1106
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 4: Burke's yesterday, and then we spent a ton of time

1107
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: talking about Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight Junior and what

1108
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,479
Speaker 4: to do with Logan Wilson. I thought, at the core

1109
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: of it, even if the defense were bad, I thought,

1110
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 4: Al Golden, like that's his specialty as linebacker, will be good.

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00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 4: There we are at troshits at the linebacker lot.

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00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. There's a difference between being good

1113
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: and being below average, Yeah, and being a slight liability

1114
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: and then being a train wreck. Yeah, like there a

1115
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: train wreck the one.

1116
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: I think we're at the train wreck level.

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00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: The one thing like with Barret Carter, he will never

1118
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 3: be able to complain about not being given an opportunity. Yeah,

1119
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: never came off the field yesterday despite being atrocious. Atrocious.

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Speaker 3: They've decided to just ride or die with him, Like

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: but yeah, to me, that has been the most sobering

1122
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 3: part of this Al Golden experience is he was going

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Speaker 3: to emphasize linebacker and they were going to be better

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00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: there and they haven't been. We will get to the Bearcats.

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Speaker 4: Why do I say we have to? It's fine, we will.

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Speaker 3: Get to the Bearcats. We're not gonna duck it because

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: there's a lot of a lot of issues on the table.

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Speaker 3: Four to thirty sports headlines coming up as well. Tony

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Speaker 1: My Rick shrev with Trapping Days about family, food and

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Speaker 2: That reminds me I thought you should know.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy a delicious slice of pumpkin pie with

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Speaker 3: gonna play on Thursday. At least that's what Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 3: anticipating when the Bengals head to Baltimore for a Thanksgiving

1158
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 3: Night tilt against the Baltimore Ravens. That game is live

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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pregame coverage starts at four pm.

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Speaker 3: They won't have t Higgins, he's in concussion protocol. No

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson either. A lot more tonight on Bengals Line

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Speaker 3: from six to nine on seven hundred w WELW Monday

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Speaker 3: Night Football Tonight Panthers and forty nine Ers in Santa Clara.

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Speaker 3: That game is on Fox Sports thirteen sixty the University

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Speaker 3: of Cincinnati, OH. By the way, speaking of apologies, Jamar

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: Chase has apologized for spitting on Jalen Ramsey. I'll point

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Speaker 3: this out. You could do what you want with it

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: doesn't bother me. He did not apologize to Jalen Ramsey himself,

1169
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Speaker 3: but he has apologized on his Instagram. You can go

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01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 3: read it. You see as apologized for some chance some

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Speaker 3: derogatory language made by a group of fans during Saturday's

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Speaker 3: game against BYU College Basketball. Tonight, you see battles the

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Speaker 3: New Jersey Institute of Technology tip off at seven pm

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW NKU in Richmond tonight to take

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Speaker 3: on EKU. That game is on the Project one hundred

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Speaker 3: point seven and one oh sixty three. Double dip of

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Speaker 3: coaches shows coaches name Mark Mark Stoops Show at six,

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Speaker 3: Mark Pope Show at seven both Fox Sports thirteen sixty

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Speaker 3: Xavier sophomore Jovon Malishovich. It's been named to the Biggiest

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Speaker 3: Conference Honor Roll. Musketeers played well this weekend. Beat West

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Speaker 3: Virginia behind sixteen three points, made three point shots yesterday

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 3: against the Mountaineers. Columbus Blue Jackets skate tonight on the

1183
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: road against the Washington Capitalist.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I was just watching Daniel Skillings junior make some

1185
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 4: big plays for Baylor on this replay as they beat Creighton.

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Speaker 3: Good for Dan Well, he's good to see.

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 4: I saw Errington Page make a game winner for Northwestern

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Speaker 4: yesterday as well.

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Speaker 3: Good for Arrington.

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Speaker 4: Dylan Mitchell plays some good ball for Saint John's over

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Speaker 4: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Good for Dylan. Let's talk about Saturday night at Nippert Stadium.

1193
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: Diego Pavia just scored another touchdown against Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to see as much as i can

1196
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Speaker 4: do to just avoid the conversation you.

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Speaker 3: And I have both said to each other and to others.

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Speaker 3: That was of these last three UC losses, easily the

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Speaker 3: most frustrating. That to me was the most frustrating loss

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Speaker 3: of the last three years. Team at home at the

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01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 3: hands of BYU and frankly Tony. I don't think the

1202
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: game was anywhere as closed as the final score might indicate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't get what we're doing at

1204
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 4: this point. I don't understand it. Anytime this team faces

1205
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 4: a good competition, they make the same mistakes we always

1206
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 4: talk about. It's great to beat up on Baylor this year.

1207
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Speaker 4: Great to beat up and get a good win against Kansas.

1208
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 4: At the time, I thought that was a great win.

1209
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 4: Kansas has five wins this year. This team has been

1210
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Speaker 4: presented with multiple opportunities this year to get marquee wins.

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Speaker 4: All right, Nebraska to start the year at Utah, with

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Speaker 4: everything on the line. You just got into the top

1213
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Speaker 4: twenty five. You won seven games in a row. They

1214
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Speaker 4: failed at Utah. They came back home after a bye

1215
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Speaker 4: and looked so ill prepared to face any type of

1216
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Speaker 4: man coverage against Arizona. That game against Arizona was the

1217
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Speaker 4: start of a three game stretch where if you win

1218
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 4: all three you play for a Big twelve title. That

1219
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Speaker 4: was disappointing. And yet what I watched Saturday night, aside

1220
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 4: from nip at Night Drone Show atmosphere so good, so awesome.

1221
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 4: It felt like big time college football. But until the

1222
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: but once the game started, it's the same stuff we've

1223
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 4: been talking about. Joe Royer on the side of a

1224
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: milk carton not utilized. Yeah, two targets, so yeah, two

1225
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 4: targets to catch ye one was on like a third

1226
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Speaker 4: and fifteen where they checked it down to him. Joe

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Speaker 4: Royer is non existent when this team needs to somehow

1228
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Speaker 4: get a stop. Dante Corleone's not in the game, which

1229
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Speaker 4: I'll get to in a second. But yeah, like I

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Speaker 4: alluded to it, You've alluded to it. Three miss field

1231
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Speaker 4: goals failed fourth and one inside the five yard line,

1232
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Speaker 4: lining up off sides on a punt, a terrible interception

1233
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Speaker 4: to start the third quarter, a bad fumbled by Cyrus

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Speaker 4: Allen when you're getting into the deep part of BYU territory.

1235
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Speaker 4: You gave up a second nineteen first down with a

1236
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Speaker 4: face mask. Just this. The teams that play meaningful football

1237
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 4: at the end of the year don't do this team

1238
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 4: continues to do. The offense at times has no rhythm.

1239
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Speaker 4: They had one third down conversion entering the fourth quartermow

1240
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Speaker 4: one third down conversion, and as you mentioned, it didn't

1241
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Speaker 4: feel that close. But when they did make it close

1242
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 4: and they cut it to six with under five minutes left,

1243
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 4: and they haven't been able to tackle LJ. Martin all night.

1244
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Speaker 4: Dante Corleone won in the game to start to drive

1245
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: and the safeties were playing twelve to fifteen yards back.

1246
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 4: Both safeties. While I watch Arizona and I watched BYU

1247
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 4: put eleven guys consistently within about five yards of the

1248
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage against this offense. I watched them run

1249
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Speaker 4: out there in the biggest drive of the year for

1250
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Speaker 4: the defense without Dante Corleone and with two safeties twelve

1251
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Speaker 4: to fifteen yards back. There is no excuse for that

1252
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 4: so yeah, bad luck at times, sure kicked themselves absolutely

1253
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 4: biggest moments. They don't make the place. You could say

1254
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 4: that for the bad you could say it for the Bearcats.

1255
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 4: And it comes back to the same conversation.

1256
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Speaker 3: I said this to you and ken Brew yesterday that

1257
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 3: if you were to start a list of the best

1258
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: UC players, there's a decent chance the top two names

1259
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: would be Corleone and Royer. Now they've got some offensive

1260
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 3: lineman who would have something to say about that. In

1261
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 3: the first game of the season against Nebraska, there were

1262
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 3: times where Dante Corleone wasn't on the field. It was

1263
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 3: late August, but it wasn't very hot that night at

1264
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: Arrowhead Stadium, and we walked out of that game going, God,

1265
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to They're gonna have to get Dante

1266
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 3: corleon on the field more often, and so maybe he's

1267
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 3: not quite in the kind of shape they need him

1268
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 3: to be. Twelve weeks later, the thing about Saturday night

1269
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Speaker 3: is it wasn't the exception. I can't tell you how

1270
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: many times in big situations I've looked on the field

1271
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: and with the Bearcats on defense, number two is on

1272
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 3: the sideline. That doesn't make any sense to me the

1273
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 3: Joe Royer thing. Everyone in that building will tell you

1274
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 3: we have the best tight end in the country. Yeah,

1275
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 3: well if you do, then you get him the football.

1276
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: Joe Royer this season has twenty six catches.

1277
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Speaker 4: Which, by the way, Todd McShay, who draft expert for

1278
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 4: The Ring Yeah, did his way too early twenty twenty

1279
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 4: six mock draft. Before the year, he listed Joe Royer

1280
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 4: as the number thirty one pick in the twenty twenty

1281
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 4: six draft, first round pick.

1282
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Speaker 3: I know, I bring this up to you almost every

1283
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: single week, and when they're winning, it's not that big

1284
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: of a deal. I needed explain to me, like I'm

1285
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: nine years old, how you could claim to have the

1286
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 3: best tight end in the country and never throw him

1287
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 3: the football? Nop? And it's not, Well, he's the best

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Speaker 3: blocking tight end in the country, although he has come

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Speaker 3: a long ways in that regard. How can you claim

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Speaker 3: we have the best tight end in the country and

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Speaker 3: he never gets the football? How Like? That baffles me?

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Speaker 3: And it would be one thing if Brendan Sorosby was

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Speaker 3: continually just taking advantage of the dudes he has on

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Speaker 3: the outside. But there have been so many instances where

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Speaker 3: it feels like this is where you get the best

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Speaker 3: tight end in the country the football on a third

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Speaker 3: and four near the goal when you need a high

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Speaker 3: percentage completion. I've been a UC football fan for decades.

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Speaker 3: This is easily the most I've ever been baffled about

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Speaker 3: something as it relates to that football program. How do

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Speaker 3: you have the best tight end in the country and

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Speaker 3: he never gets the football?

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing to me, Like all of his

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Speaker 4: catches just like dump offs. Right, how many times he

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Speaker 4: been targeted in the red zone is what I'd like

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Speaker 4: to know. Not many. Joe Royer thing is baffling to

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Speaker 4: memo and then like, I agree with Corleone, But if

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Speaker 4: you if game one we were able to sit up

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Speaker 4: there and say, man, you know what, when Corleone's in

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Speaker 4: the game, teams make a concerted effort to run up

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Speaker 4: the middle. They have to have an answer for that,

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Speaker 4: and that was going to be his usage at any

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Speaker 4: point mode. Could you say, if Dante's not in, we

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Speaker 4: got to go to a four down front. Of course,

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Speaker 4: they just keep running the three man front out there.

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Speaker 4: And here's the thing about the fatigue that I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong. You see deferred and BYU

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Speaker 4: went three and out. The next series, Dante wasn't in Yeah,

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Speaker 4: three plays on Senior Night. Yeah, And he wasn't in

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Speaker 4: the second series. And I'm thinking to myself, is this

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Speaker 4: a is it a fatigue thing? Or is this like

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Speaker 4: the going to the game and every other series Dante's

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Speaker 4: getting arrest because on a three and out, biggest game

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Speaker 4: of the year, he should have been back out there.

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Speaker 4: The second series, he should have surely been back out

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Speaker 4: there with four and a half minutes remaining, when you're

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Speaker 4: down six and you know LJ. Martin is going to

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Speaker 4: get the ball.

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Speaker 3: So last year they lose their last five. They go

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Speaker 3: from five to two to five and seven. And if

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01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 3: you think of those five games, there's two common denominators

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Speaker 3: I think from this year. Number one suspect quarterback play.

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01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 3: Brendan Soorsby threw a pick the other day. You know,

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Speaker 3: you and I are lucky enough to work in the

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Speaker 3: broadcast booth, and the glance we exchanged with each other,

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Speaker 3: I thought Brendan was going to take it in a

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Speaker 3: run for fifteen yards. He had some real estate.

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Speaker 4: And it's the first drive coming out of the half.

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01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 3: He throws a pick that, like, dude, I like Brendan Soorsby,

1340
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 3: but that's one of the worst interceptions I've seen. So

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 3: you have that and then you just have this series

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01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 3: of mistakes. And if you go back to that five

1343
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 3: game losing streak last year, time and time and time again,

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01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: they kept shooting themselves in the foot, and he said, well,

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01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 3: the talent isn't where it needs to be. The talent

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: is closer this year to where it needs to be.

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Speaker 3: I think we would agree with that, right, Like, the

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01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 3: talent on this year's team topped a bottom better than

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01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 3: last year. And yet here down the stretch in the

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 3: month of November, Scott Saderfield is now one in ten

1351
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 3: in November at U. See, yep, it looks like last year.

1352
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 3: Then you look at the game they have on Saturday,

1353
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 3: not gonna be favored to be TCU. So you're staring

1354
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 3: down the barrel of a four game losing streak to

1355
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: end the season and then your bowl game. Who knows

1356
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 3: you're gonna who you're gonna have in the bowl game.

1357
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 3: But it's definitely possible that for the second consecutive year,

1358
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 3: your season ends with five straight losses. If that happens,

1359
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 3: and frankly to a degree even if it doesn't. But

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Speaker 3: if that happens, I believe Scott Sadderfield is gonna be

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01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 3: the coach next year. But good luck selling that to people.

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Speaker 4: Good luck selling that, good luck selling it to recruits,

1363
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 4: good luck selling it to transfers. I mean the sobering

1364
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 4: fact about this, And and again the portal makes things different.

1365
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 4: Gold E Corleone, Royer Gone, like they're they're losing some

1366
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 4: key pieces, some foundational Gavin Gerhart, Gavin Gerhart, Logan Wilson,

1367
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 4: like they they're losing a lot. They are there, So

1368
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 4: how do you replenish that? And how do you go

1369
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 4: raise the money necessary? If you're talking about a team

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Speaker 4: that last year lost five in a row down the

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01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 4: stretch and this year is staring at that right now.

1372
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Speaker 4: Like we even said the two game loser tricks one thing.

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01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 4: But Saturday was a chance to win and win and

1374
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 4: go nine and three and all of a sudden, that's momentum.

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01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 4: If they lose Saturday, that is such a disappointment.

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01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 3: Yes, to go from seven to one to seven and

1377
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 3: five is a massive disappointment, devastating.

1378
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 4: So I'm worried about it. I'm worried about the program.

1379
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 4: You mentioned that I agree that the quarterback play. You

1380
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 4: could argue there were a couple drops, but I thought

1381
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 4: overall the accuracy was just off. Yeah, from Brendan Soarsby

1382
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 4: for the most part on Saturday Night. And again, it's

1383
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 4: been in the biggest games against the best competition where

1384
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 4: they seem to just go through these laws that you

1385
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 4: can't do.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's worth wondering. You know, there's been

1387
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 3: some NFL chatter as it relates to Brendan Soresby. For

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 3: his sake, I hope that happens. I've not watched a

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Speaker 3: quarterback who's going to be taken early in the draft

1390
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 3: next year, right, and so I would then assume if

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Speaker 3: he comes back and plays college football, it would be

1392
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Speaker 3: a UC. But can you win a Big twelve championship?

1393
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: Because that's the barometer, man like, can you win a

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01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 3: Big twelve championship with him? And I'm I want the

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01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 3: answer to be yes, and the.

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Speaker 4: Worst way, But that's the worrisome thing that I'm I

1397
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 4: don't know that I'm finding myself fighting with for UC

1398
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 4: right now. I've been a UC fan literally my whole life.

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Speaker 4: I don't want the barometer to be eight or nine wins.

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01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 4: I want to win a big I want the bar

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 4: to be winning championships. And that's why Friday night pissed

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01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 4: me off, because the barometer for a a lot of

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01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 4: people was, Hey, we stayed close to Louisville, that barometer

1404
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 4: and then well, you know, eleventh raining team in the

1405
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 4: country shot yourself in the foot a couple of times.

1406
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 4: I'm done with like moral victories. I just want to win.

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 4: And I don't just want to win and go five hundred.

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to win in basketball and sniff the

1409
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 4: NCAA tournament. I don't want to get the six wins

1410
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 4: so you get to play in a bowl game. I

1411
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:27,839
Speaker 4: want to compete for championships. And if you don't believe

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01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 4: that the staff or the roster in place can win championships,

1413
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 4: then what are we doing? That should be the standard this.

1414
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 4: I was looking at it in the locker room the

1415
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 4: other day. They played in the College Football Playoff a

1416
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, one of four teams at that

1417
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 4: time to represent the College Football Playoff, and now it's like, oh,

1418
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 4: can they rally and you know, win a bowl game? Well,

1419
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 4: can they go on the road and you know, but I.

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Speaker 3: Guess for me, like this year, we said before the season,

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01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 3: and we got to break here in a second, but

1422
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: we said it before the season, eight or nine wins

1423
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 3: would be fine. Right now they're going to struggle to

1424
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 3: get to eight. But at the end of this season,

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 3: you should feel like the pieces are in place. Let's

1426
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 3: go get one or two more and we can go

1427
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 3: and win a big twelve championship next year. Granted, so

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 3: much is gonna change this offseason as it relates to

1429
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 3: players coming and going. They still feel a ways away

1430
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: from being able to win a title, and the talent

1431
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 3: this year is better. But what has become unfortunately emblematic

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01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 3: of the Scott Sadderfield regime are games like the other

1433
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: nights our games like the Arizona game, a whole slew

1434
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 3: of missed opportunities, a whole sea of mistakes, and a

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01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 3: team that can't get out of its own way.

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Speaker 4: It's just.

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Speaker 11: You.

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Speaker 4: You can go to the game by game breakdown. You know,

1439
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 4: we know what the Nebraska game was, and you know

1440
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,799
Speaker 4: so being that game thirteen completions for sixty nine yards.

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01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 4: There's been such great games in the middle of this slate.

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01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 4: You know the Kansas game, he almost Thwes for four

1443
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 4: hundred Oklahoma State two eighty four. But I just go

1444
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 4: back to the games that matter MO, the games that

1445
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 4: they need the most out of the quarterback Utah eleven

1446
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 4: to thirty three with an interception, Arizona fifteen or twenty

1447
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 4: eight for one fifty four two interceptions BYU twenty five

1448
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 4: of thirty eight costly interception. You have to play your

1449
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 4: best football when it matters the most, and he did

1450
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 4: such a good job during that seven game winning streak

1451
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,520
Speaker 4: of not turning the ball over and playing efficient football.

1452
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 4: But when the competition has been its best, this team

1453
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 4: has played their worst.

1454
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Speaker 3: On offense five away from five o'clock. By the way,

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Speaker 3: the Bearcats five and a half point underdogs on Saturday

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Speaker 3: The day today after the Bengals lost at home to

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Speaker 3: the New England Patriots twenty six to twenty. By the way,

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Speaker 3: this is one of the great college basketball weeks you

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Speaker 3: will have between all the different in season tournaments. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: lots of great teams playing in Vegas starting tonight. Starting tonight,

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Speaker 4: Game leading right Indo with Gonzaga and Alabama.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yep, you've got Monday Night football tonight. There's

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Speaker 4: What if you want to come here Saturday? Is it's

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Speaker 4: Friday or Saturday where Mark Stoops tries to gain Bowl

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Speaker 4: eligibility for the Kentucky Wildcats.

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Speaker 3: Oh, in in the big game against Lois the Governor's Cup, Yes,

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Speaker 3: the Governor's Cup, the Governor's Cup. Kentucky is still trying

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Speaker 3: to be Bowl eligible. That game is on Saturday. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Saturday at noon, okay at at Louisville five and six

1505
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 3: versus seven and four. You can watch that game here. Yeah,

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01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 3: it's gonna be awesome. It'll be it really truly is.

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01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: So you can take in everything here at Twin Peaks

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01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 3: and Florence. Food's great, the bud light is cold, and

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 3: it's easy to get to. Bengals lose. One other thing

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01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 3: we really haven't touched on all that much, and it's

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01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 3: it's a bit of a broken record, but one of

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01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 3: the most damning indictments of Duke Tobin was it involves

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01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: something that happened yesterday. Jamar Chase didn't play. By the way,

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01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 3: if you don't know, Jamar Chase has issued a statement

1515
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 3: about the spinning incident on his Instagram seat. You can

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01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 3: go check that out. Jamar Chase doesn't play yesterday. So

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01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 3: the Bengals have an opening wide receiver a perfect place,

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01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 3: you would think if you recently used an early round

1519
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 3: draft choice on a guy can early day two okay,

1520
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,799
Speaker 3: first two days of the draft, and yet Jermaine Burton,

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01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 3: who again a healthy scratch.

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Speaker 4: He was a guy that had that big towel during

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Speaker 4: training camp.

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Speaker 3: The beach towel.

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01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 4: Yes, when he was winning one on one battles. He

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01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 4: was in training camp that guy.

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Speaker 3: If I'm Mike Brown, and again I've done this exercise

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01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 3: multiple times this year. But if I'm Mike Brown, Duke

1529
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 3: Tobin is sitting there with me, and I go, all right.

1530
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 3: So we we were down a receiver yesterday and we

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01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 3: couldn't dress Jermaine and Burton. Now, Zach Taylor was asked

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01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 3: about it, and you'll hear his press conference a little

1533
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 3: bit later on and he's like, well, we had Mike

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01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 3: a SICKI healthy is.

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Speaker 4: Coming off the injured list.

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01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, good answer. That's fine. If Duke Tobin worked

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01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: for me every single week, I would be asking him, okay,

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01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 3: so why yeah, Like and sometimes you in life, you

1539
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 3: ask questions and you know the answers. And so if

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01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 3: I'm Mike Brown, I'm asking that question, but I know

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01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 3: the answer. But Duke, you drafted this guy and yet

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01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 3: he never plays. It's year two and there was an

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01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 3: opening at the position this guy is supposed to play

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01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 3: and he still doesn't dress it.

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01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 4: It's next in the line of the indictments to be

1546
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 4: carried down against Duke Tobin. I mean, look what I

1547
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 4: don't understand Mitchell Tinsley was what in the draft years ago,

1548
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 4: not early. Andre Yoshi Voss was winning six round, sixth round.

1549
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 4: So you're running out there without Jamar Chase, a six rounder,

1550
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 4: You're running out there Mitchell Tinsley.

1551
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: When you have Mitchell Tinsley was undrafted.

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01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so you have yesterday and it kind of brings

1553
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 4: me up to we didn't discuss it either. Yesterday morning.

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01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 4: We talked about, Okay, no, Jamar Chase. Can we use

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01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 4: T Higgins in a way that we heard t talk

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01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 4: about in training camp inside outside slot motion?

1557
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 3: No, we didn't none of that.

1558
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 4: There was a point in the first half I didn't

1559
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 4: think T. Higgins was playing because he wasn't getting targeted.

1560
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 4: So you don't utilize matchups with T Higgins, You allow

1561
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: a defense to take him out. You have an undrafted

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01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 4: guy and a six round draft pick trying to get

1563
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 4: open in a National Football League game while last year's

1564
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 4: third round draft pick out of the SEC sits by

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01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 4: and doesn't even dress. How do you get by if

1566
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 4: you're Duke Tobin with that? How do you never have

1567
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 4: to answer to anything in the organization of Hey, how's

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01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 4: this happening. How what's the status of Jermaine Burton. Can

1569
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 4: you give us an update? Well, because well, you know,

1570
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 4: he's handling himself better and he's doing thing.

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01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 3: He's just not there yet. I feel like there's almost this.

1572
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 4: I don't know And if not, would anyone at the

1573
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 4: deadline have kicked the tire on a former third round

1574
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 4: pick for a seventh rounder.

1575
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 3: No, I mean, honestly, I mean.

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01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 4: At that point, I don't. I don't eve want him

1577
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 4: on the team. Yeah, he's taking up he's taking up

1578
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 4: a spot. I don't even want him on the roster.

1579
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 4: If you can't use him yesterday, I don't what's he

1580
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 4: here for?

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01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 3: Right practice? Zach Taylor gets questions that Duke Tobin should

1582
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 3: be answering, and again today Zach Taylor was asked a

1583
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 3: question about Jermaine Burton not dressing and to me, that's

1584
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: more of a Duke Tobin thing. You drafted the guy, yep,

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01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 3: you took.

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01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 4: Him the third in the third round. Yeah, yes, I

1587
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 4: just it's it's it's maddening and.

1588
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 3: Like the one thing we'll never know the answer to.

1589
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 3: Let's say Jermaine Burton like gets it, or let's say

1590
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 3: talent was.

1591
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 4: There when he was asked a go in the game

1592
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 4: and just run a go route. Dude, he kind of

1593
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 4: pass against the Chiefs.

1594
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 3: Let's say one of two things unfold. Either like Jermaine

1595
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 3: Burton understands, gets it, like knows how to be a pro,

1596
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: or they take a different wide receiver with that exact

1597
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 3: same pick and last year, either Jermaine Burton or the

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01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 3: other wide receiver ends up showing promise. Is T Higgins

1599
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 3: on the team right now? Right now?

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01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 4: Probably not.

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01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 3: I'm glad that T Higgins is on the team. But

1602
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 3: if you want to make the argument, he if you

1603
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 3: want to make the argument they can't have a good

1604
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 3: defense because they paid Jamar and T. Well, there is

1605
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 3: a little bit of a domino effect when the guy

1606
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: that you drafted to replace T Higgins isn't any good

1607
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 3: and now you've got to keep T Higgins and pay him.

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01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: And again, like I'm okay with the fact that they

1609
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 3: pay Tea Aigans are gonna draft, well they haven't done it,

1610
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 3: but that Germaine Burton pick. But there are bad There

1611
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 3: are bad picks who play and you know what, the

1612
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: guys is not a good player. The guy is not

1613
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 3: a good fit. Whatever it is you're a worst pick

1614
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 3: if you never play. And it's one thing to be

1615
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: like a sixth rounder and you're on the team, but

1616
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 3: the team always scratches you. You're a third rounder who

1617
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 3: played it two different SEC schools, and when there was

1618
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 3: an opening like do we think he's gonna play on Thursday,

1619
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 3: all of a sudden No, with no T Higgins.

1620
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 4: No, that's the thing. So for me, it's like, listen,

1621
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 4: I like andre Josivash. Sure there's a reason he was

1622
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 4: a six round draft pick. Yes, there's a reason. There's

1623
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 4: a reason that all the teams passed on him because

1624
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 4: his skill sets limited. Right, there's a reason Mitchell Tinsley

1625
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 4: wasn't drafted. Why because everyone made the same decision that

1626
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 4: Mitchell Tinsley wasn't a draftable guy. Right, Jermaine Burton was

1627
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 4: a third round pick. Third round picks in the NFL

1628
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 4: are meant to start at some point six round picks

1629
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 4: rarely do.

1630
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 3: I just go back to that draft night with Nick

1631
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 3: Saban on set, going like, man, I don't know dude.

1632
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,480
Speaker 4: Like Brian Kelly when I asked about me in two thousand.

1633
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 3: And nine, Well, that's when other NFL teams were my Bro,

1634
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 3: Brian Kelly's son. Yeah, on the field for LSU's senior day.

1635
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 3: DK didn't want to go to senior day. Listen, I

1636
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 3: get he's like suing the school. You can't be there, Okay,

1637
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 3: senior day.

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01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 4: He's like, free, BK. Your dad's not incarcerated, right, he's

1639
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 4: about to settle for fifty four million dollars. Yeah, and

1640
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 4: this whole thing, like, bro, gotcha, Bro, gotcha. I have

1641
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 4: a great relationship with my dad. I've never referred to

1642
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 4: my dad as bro.

1643
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 3: You know, my dad, God rest his soul. Like, I

1644
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 3: wonder what his response to me would have been, what's up? Bro?

1645
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 3: Had I ever called him bro?

1646
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 4: He's just to be clear, Brian Kelly not in cars

1647
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 4: rated right, not behind bars, waiting to settle a fifty

1648
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 4: four million dollars settlement and we're talking about free BK.

1649
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 3: If Brian Kelly wanted to be there, LSU would not

1650
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 3: have told him no. Correct, even though there is a

1651
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:19,560
Speaker 3: dispute about the settlement. They fired him. I cannot imagine.

1652
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: I cannot imagine what kept him from being there for

1653
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 3: his kid. And again that's between him.

1654
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 4: And his family and not coaching engagement right.

1655
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 3: Like I it would have been interesting to see what

1656
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 3: the reaction would have been. Did he not go because

1657
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 3: they'd boom, like, really right, you can't take that picture

1658
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 3: with your son. I don't know. Maybe his son's cool that.

1659
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 4: Bro, Bro, that would be close.

1660
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Speaker 3: He's he's fine, bro. All of us, all of us

1661
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:55,880
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1664
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Speaker 3: go around the NFL. Maybe pivot back to college football

1665
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Speaker 3: By the way, don't forget. We're in Westchester next week Monday,

1685
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 3: after the Bengals played the Ravens on Thursday night. We

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01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 3: are looking forward to that. We're back in Florence on

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Speaker 3: the fifteenth of December, so make your plans for that.

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Speaker 3: We have yet to go around the AFC North and

1689
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Speaker 3: the NFL for that matter. Bengals do go to Baltimore

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01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 3: to take on the Ravens, who won their fifth consecutive

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01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 3: game yesterday beat the Jets twenty three to ten. Lamar

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Speaker 3: Jackson under three I'm sorry, under two hundred yards passing

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01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 3: for the third consecutive game. The defense, though has improved

1694
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 3: dramatically from what it was early in the season. First

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01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 3: few games of the year, they were averaging thirty two

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Speaker 3: point three points given up per They have now held

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Speaker 3: their last six opponents to under twenty points. Is not great.

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Speaker 3: They are good on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you look at how the defense has played better Bears, Dolphins, Vikings, Browns,

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01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 4: Jets is that five game span. Those are not elite

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01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 4: offenses in the National Football League there. I don't think

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01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 4: their defense as good as what they've done the last

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01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 4: five weeks. I do think it's been improved and they

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01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 4: had a lot of new pieces coming together. The worry

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01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 4: for me Thursday is how bad the Ravens offense has been,

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01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 4: and it just feels like eventually they're going to get

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01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 4: it figured out. They they use the tight end position,

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01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 4: they put you in one on one situations where you're

1709
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 4: asked to make tackles on a Derrick Henry or Lamar Jackson.

1710
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 4: That is what worries me. I think the Bengals can

1711
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 4: score on Baltimore, I really do. I worry about if

1712
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 4: this defense can get enough stops against the Ravens.

1713
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 3: I think they can score on Baltimore. By the way,

1714
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase was awesome against the Ravens last year. Seven.

1715
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow was awesome against them last year. Now, the

1716
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 3: question from every game is not so much about Lamar Jackson. Statistically,

1717
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 3: it's gonna be fourth quarter. If the Bengals are gonna

1718
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 3: win in Baltimore, it's gonna be like last year in

1719
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 3: both games in the fourth quarter. Can they avoid mistakes

1720
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 3: and can they get stops? The answer has been no

1721
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 3: all season long. If it's yes on Thursday, yeah, I

1722
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 3: do think they have a chance to win. They need

1723
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 3: to prove the answer is gonna be yes before I

1724
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 3: assume it's gonna be yes. Baltimore moves into a tie

1725
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 3: for first place in the AFC North with Pittsburgh. The

1726
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 3: Steelers with Mason Rudolph fall to the Bears thirty one

1727
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:37,919
Speaker 3: to twenty eight. Mason Rudolph was okay yesterday. Pittsburgh's defense

1728
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 3: was not. Here's my hot take. Are you ready Steelers

1729
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 3: aren't gonna make the playoffs.

1730
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 4: I'm good with that. It's gotta fall apart.

1731
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 3: It already has.

1732
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 4: If you go to that game yesterday without Rogers and

1733
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 4: you say we'll put twenty eight on the board, I

1734
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 4: know they had a defensive touchdown. Yeah, you should win

1735
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 4: that game against the Bears, giving up thirty one. Shout

1736
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 4: out to the Bears eight wins, Jan Johnson finding a

1737
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 4: way to do it. Ye, good coaching. That's not as

1738
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 4: talented of a roster as a lot of these teams

1739
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 4: in the playoff hunt right, great job by Ben Johnson.

1740
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 4: Elite coaching, elite scheme has helped the Bears get hot.

1741
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm with you. I think the Steelers are done.

1742
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Baltimore's gonna win the division.

1743
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Baltimore wins a division. I think Miles Garrett might

1744
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 4: have thirty sacks.

1745
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 3: So Cleveland wins. They get ten sacks against the Raiders

1746
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 3: yesterday they fired Chip Kelly Vegas does after the game.

1747
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 3: Shador Sanders makes a mistake early in the game and

1748
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 3: then played okay, completed a deep pass down the field

1749
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 3: for fifty two yards. He is gonna play. He's gonna

1750
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,759
Speaker 3: play this weekend. Browns are three and eight, now tied

1751
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 3: with the Bengals. Nobody has a measured take when it

1752
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 3: comes to Shador Sanders. You know, he's either a victim

1753
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 3: who should have been taken number one overall or a

1754
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 3: dude who wasn't worth using a draft choice on. I

1755
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 3: get the sense from following folks in Cleveland though, that

1756
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 3: there was a at least a little bit of a

1757
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 3: jolt of energy that went through that team when they

1758
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 3: found out he was gonna be there.

1759
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 4: It felt like it. I think he could handle his

1760
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 4: postgame press conience a little better. Yes, like that? That

1761
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 4: to me, like, just talk about a team win.

1762
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 6: M hm.

1763
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 4: Like someone put it, he speaks like his father without

1764
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 4: the resume of his father.

1765
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:16,919
Speaker 3: Correct.

1766
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 4: Dion's resume backed that up. Shador's got a ways to go.

1767
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 4: But I thought it was a good first step. And

1768
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 4: I'm telling you this. I think I think Judkins is

1769
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 4: going to be a star. And I think they got

1770
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 4: it right on the defensive side, like they they drafted well,

1771
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 4: they are going to keep improving.

1772
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett might be looking seriously football.

1773
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 4: I'll tread a quarterback. I know quarterbacks get love. He's

1774
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 4: the most dominant player on this board.

1775
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 3: Do you feel sorry for him?

1776
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 4: No, because he got out he got into.

1777
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 3: The Browns, Bengals and Browns in the regular season finale.

1778
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 4: I know this changes week to week. Rams are my

1779
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 4: super Bowl favorite.

1780
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, same here, Josh, Yeah.

1781
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 4: We we I touched on this a little bit yesterday

1782
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 4: with you and Ken. If you if you went back

1783
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 4: in time and you were on that corner around that

1784
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,679
Speaker 4: ice chest, and you asked, folks going into that game,

1785
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 4: regardless of what happens in the Super Bowl, who's better

1786
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 4: set and better equipped for five years from now? One

1787
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 4: hundred percent of the people would have said Bengals, you

1788
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 4: got Burrow, you got Chase, you got all this Ram picks.

1789
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 4: And it's like Rams went all in. This is like,

1790
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 4: this is it for the Rams. Ye Donald's retired, like

1791
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 4: this is it And now we sit here in twenty

1792
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 4: twenty five and the Rams have hit on so many

1793
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 4: draft picks, low draft picks. Pokadaku is a star. They

1794
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 4: made the move to get to Vante Adams, who's now

1795
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 4: leading the NFL in touchdown receptions. Stafford's the MVP. They

1796
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 4: have a coaching advantage in every game that they go in. Like,

1797
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 4: it's maddening to me that I sat back at the

1798
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 4: Super Bowl years ago and I'm like, oh, enjoy it now, Rams,

1799
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 4: because this is it for you, and we're now getting

1800
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 4: the seat at the table, and the Rams are right

1801
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 4: back at this damn table getting ready to compete, I

1802
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 4: think for another championship because I think they're that good.

1803
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 3: Oh, Baker Mayfield got hurt trying to throw a hell

1804
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 3: Mary on the last play of the game. His left

1805
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 3: shoulder was already bothering him, so he didn't play the

1806
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 3: second half. That was a very quiet and quick deconstruction

1807
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 3: of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last night by the La Ram.

1808
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 4: They hit on it last night on the broadcast as well.

1809
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 4: If you dress for the Rams, you're going to play

1810
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 4: a meaningful part in the game. Like they just throw

1811
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 4: guys in all over on the defense. Yep, they bring

1812
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 4: pressures from everywhere. They're rotating all kinds of guys on

1813
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 4: the D line. They got guys standing up. It's it's

1814
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 4: it is madness. And I think Stafford's got thirty thirty

1815
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 4: t d's to two picks. It's unbelievable.

1816
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 3: A couple of other things really quick. The Indianapolis Colts

1817
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 3: had a chance to deliver what might have been a

1818
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 3: knockout blow to the Kansas City Chiefs. Had an eleven

1819
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 3: point fourth quarter lead. Shane Stiken coach, like Zach Taylor yesterday,

1820
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 3: they win the coin flip to start overtime and he

1821
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 3: takes the football.

1822
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 4: What are we doing?

1823
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 3: And the Chiefs, you know, the rules changed, the Chiefs,

1824
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 3: we have a pulse and the Colts lose a game

1825
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 3: on New England. The AFC South is suddenly pretty interesting

1826
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 3: with Jacksonville, that Texans defense, that's suddenly like a decent division.

1827
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 3: But the Colts blew a chance yesterday.

1828
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 4: I think the Chiefs with the loss, their playoff chances

1829
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 4: would have went to about thirty four percent. Now, Like

1830
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 4: it's the same conversation of if they get in, they're

1831
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 4: one of the favorites because it's still my homes and

1832
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 4: they operated and they're getting healthy. I get it. At

1833
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 4: that was a Colt rout scored what fourteen to nothing

1834
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 4: after the third quarter. Yeah, can't happen.

1835
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 3: The Texans defense the best in the league right now

1836
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 3: or something. Now.

1837
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 4: I was not privy to how dominant they were until

1838
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 4: watching them.

1839
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 3: On Thursday night. I think it was eye opening for

1840
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 3: a lot of people.

1841
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 4: It's one thing to sack quarterbacks, it's another thing sack

1842
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 4: Josh Allen eight times.

1843
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1844
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 4: Like great defense and somehow holding it together with Davis Mills.

1845
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 3: One thing that's not NFL related of the UC segment

1846
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:04,480
Speaker 3: last hour Ohio State Michigan this Saturday.

1847
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 4: We can say we're in Kentucky. Can you use thet

1848
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 4: in northern Kentucky? Okay, Michigan and Ohio State play this weekend.

1849
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 3: We talk about coaching scared. I think Ryan Day is

1850
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 3: coach scared in that game in recent years. And I

1851
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 3: think Ryan Days a heck of a coach. I'm I'm

1852
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 3: kind of curious how he approaches the game.

1853
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 4: It doesn't This game doesn't matter anymore because there because

1854
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 4: the playoffs are already in the playoffs. Our guy Austin,

1855
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,919
Speaker 4: he's not even taken. M's out of his profile anymore.

1856
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,520
Speaker 4: Good doesn't matter anymore.

1857
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 3: Because that means that Austin has grown up.

1858
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter anymore. Uh, let me ask Michigan.

1859
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 3: At noon on Saturday. If I ask him or any

1860
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,600
Speaker 3: other Ohio State fan, doesn't matter, the answer ain't gonna be.

1861
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 4: No, especially as a nine and a half point favorite, nine.

1862
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 3: And a half point favorite they go to ann Arbor.

1863
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 3: I think you will. I think that the conversations, you know,

1864
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 3: the conversations about Ryan when they lost that game last

1865
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 3: year were boy, you got to move on? Oh yeah,

1866
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 3: And then the dude hasn't lost a game since they've.

1867
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 4: Yet to trail in the second half.

1868
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 3: What is said about him if they lay another clunker

1869
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:13,719
Speaker 3: in that game?

1870
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, well then it fraudulent national title take

1871
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 4: it away. They've they've yet to trail in the second half.

1872
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

1873
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 4: If any team can put any type of in game

1874
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 4: pressure on them, what does it look like?

1875
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 5: Right?

1876
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 4: Right, that's the only question they have.

1877
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Julian saying's had a terrific I guess the health

1878
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 3: at wide receiver, no doubt about it. But like, and

1879
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 3: I think you precautionary against Rutgers. As good as Julian

1880
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 3: Saying has been, you know that the first game against

1881
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 3: Texas was a little bit hairy, but there just haven't

1882
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 3: been many instances where you're like challenged. Mendoza in that

1883
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 3: game against Penn State had to take his team down

1884
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 3: the field. Guy makes a remarkable catch in the back

1885
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 3: of the end zone. Julian Saying hasn't had to do that. Yeah,

1886
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean he hasn't had an awesome season. But

1887
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 3: I I love that game because I love rivalries and

1888
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 3: I love the emotion that it brings out. Yep, I

1889
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 3: think there's gonna be some real unreasonable people. If Ryan

1890
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 3: Day loses that game again.

1891
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 4: And I like that, it's kind of like just the

1892
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 4: the JV tilt before the varsity Yes, noon, Michigan Ohio

1893
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 4: State Right three, uc.

1894
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 3: TC rape it off the plate. Then we can all

1895
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 3: focus in the get.

1896
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 4: Rid of that game, get rid of all your leftovers,

1897
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 4: and then dial in for the Bearcats and the horn Frogs.

1898
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 3: Will this be the first time you're back in Fort

1899
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 3: Worth since the Fort Worth Bowl twenty one years ago?

1900
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 4: I think it is. I think it is the ice storm,

1901
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 4: the ice storm in Fort Worth. I heard, well, I

1902
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 4: almost got kicked off, almost got kicked the roommate.

1903
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 3: Former roommate's going to be at the game.

1904
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 4: Guy, I hope not all right?

1905
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,759
Speaker 3: Uh, Zach Taylor's coming up in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 5: Resh through the day last Angele Tea will be out,

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Speaker 5: Trey will be out, uh Tas Brooks will be out,

1993
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Speaker 5: Cam Sample and Samaj. We'll get through the week and

1994
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Speaker 5: see see where they end up. Obviously Cam is out

1995
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Speaker 5: last game, trying to progress back, same as Samaj. He

1996
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Speaker 5: had a good week, feels good. We'll just we'll just

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Speaker 5: take these extra couple days. Where ends up? So there

1998
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Speaker 5: you go through out. I mean they're yeah, how did

1999
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Speaker 5: he progress through? Obviously it looks like a hard and

2000
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Speaker 5: how has he been over these last twenty four hours? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to speak for him. It was obviously

2002
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Speaker 5: a tough one. So swear the land for any announcement

2003
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Speaker 5: on Joe. I anticipate him playing, but we'll continue to

2004
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Speaker 5: work through the week. I'm not going to declare that

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Speaker 5: definitively work through the week coming off an injuries, done

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Speaker 5: everything he could. He put himself in a position to

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Speaker 5: do his best to play yesterday, and we'll continue with

2008
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Speaker 5: that mindset. But he looks like he's in good shap

2009
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Speaker 5: right now. He'd be ready to go back. All active

2010
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Speaker 5: is the backup. That's how we go. Yep. If Joe

2011
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Speaker 5: ends up being the starter, then Joe Flack would be

2012
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Speaker 5: the backup.

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Speaker 4: Like on a short I mean, how much did you

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Speaker 4: guys bake that into practice last week?

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Speaker 3: Be a limited week this week to get Joe those

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Speaker 3: reps last week?

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Speaker 5: No, I mean really last week. It just fell because

2018
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Speaker 5: of it was it was easy for us to handle

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Speaker 5: because Joe Flacco has been limited in practice and so

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Speaker 5: his schedule had been conducive to Burrow coming in there

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Speaker 5: and taking all the snaps. So it didn't throw anything

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Speaker 5: off kilter because that had been our team previously. He

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Speaker 5: just took a bunch of reps that Jake Browning had

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Speaker 5: been taken when when Flacco was out. So so from

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Speaker 5: that perspective, it worked out well. We were able to

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Speaker 5: balance that without disrupting anything. And now you'll go into

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Speaker 5: just walk through reps, which is really what we're doing

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Speaker 5: the next two days, so it's nothing physical, walk through

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Speaker 5: mental reps and getting everybody ready to go play on

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Speaker 5: yesterday's game fourth and one.

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Speaker 12: You go through a game like that and go through

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Speaker 12: the film and everything to talk to your coaches about

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Speaker 12: being not doing that or going for it and what.

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Speaker 5: Could have been handled. It always always you know your

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Speaker 5: your heart on self when you see the result end

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Speaker 5: up being what it is. Obviously my mind there We're

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Speaker 5: going to punt the ball and I'm down in there

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Speaker 5: and get a stop, get the ball back by the

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Speaker 5: same position. Didn't work out that way, and so you

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Speaker 5: just go through the process of of why we do

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Speaker 5: things the way we do it, and and that was

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Speaker 5: one that we didn't go for it and it didn't

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Speaker 5: work out for us. But we always try to rehash

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Speaker 5: all this situational stuff that that we can handle the

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Speaker 5: same or differently as we afford. What did you rehash

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Speaker 5: in particular about it? You just follow your process of

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Speaker 5: of where you're at while you made that decision. And

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Speaker 5: so that's the decision to make.

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Speaker 2: One more injury thing has you've listed Hendrickson has out

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Speaker 2: or doubtful pretty quickly over the last couple weeks, has

2051
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Speaker 2: he made any progress?

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Speaker 5: Still just recovering from the Andrew you know, and so

2053
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Speaker 5: with a short week, I think it's easy to climb out.

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Speaker 5: You come through the game, Okay, he did? He did?

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Speaker 5: You hope be good to go. I know he was

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Speaker 5: deemed up there for a couple of plays there in

2057
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Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. But he'll be ready to go for Thursday.

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Speaker 3: What's the energy like around when you Joe is you know,

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Speaker 3: when you know that he's going to be playing on Thursday,

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Speaker 3: in that kind of game, in the kind of environment,

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Speaker 3: what does that do for.

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Speaker 5: The locker room? Well, I mean he's he's a great player, obviously,

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Speaker 5: and so it's exciting to have a back. I think

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Speaker 5: our energy has been really good. I don't feel like

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Speaker 5: that's been an issue for us, you know, And you

2066
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Speaker 5: see the way the team fought there till the very end,

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Speaker 5: trying to trying to get stops in all three phases

2068
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Speaker 5: and and score points on offense. And so these guys

2069
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Speaker 5: fought tooth and nail, played with really good energy. But

2070
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Speaker 5: obviously when you got one of the greatest players in

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Speaker 5: the world coming back, that's that's another boost on top

2072
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Speaker 5: of that. And so you know, when we do get

2073
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Speaker 5: Joe back. It'll be exciting to watch them out there

2074
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Speaker 5: and play, and I'm sure it's energy for for everybody involved.

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Speaker 5: Look like first game back hasn't played in a few months.

2076
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Speaker 5: What do you think that will look like? Difficult, difficult

2077
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Speaker 5: to predict. You know, it has been several months, and

2078
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Speaker 5: so again I'm not going to make any predictions on

2079
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Speaker 5: what it looks like. But again, he's he's put himself

2080
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Speaker 5: in great shape. It's good to see him through the

2081
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Speaker 5: progression that we've had over the last several weeks. I

2082
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Speaker 5: think was it was a fair progression for him him

2083
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Speaker 5: to do the seven on seven, do the eleven on eleven,

2084
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Speaker 5: get your mind right, try to try to get ready

2085
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Speaker 5: to play in a game, and then ultimately, well we'll

2086
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Speaker 5: wait and see where aliens. But I think it's been

2087
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Speaker 5: a really good progression. It's been helpful for him and

2088
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 5: done everything he can and we can to get him

2089
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Speaker 5: ready to go playing a game. What discussions like Jumaine Burton,

2090
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Speaker 5: because it seems like.

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Speaker 13: In a game like yesterday, he would have been at

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Speaker 13: Easton Kennedy to be promoted and tacked it for the

2093
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Speaker 13: fore of the game.

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Speaker 5: In the game where you were down a receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean we were down a receiver. We got Mikeaseki back,

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Speaker 5: you know, So that's one way to look at it

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Speaker 5: is we got a tight end BEP that we felt

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Speaker 5: like it was a good matchup for us, and in

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Speaker 5: that replace the receiver that we lost.

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Speaker 12: With Burrow, he's just so good at off script plays.

2101
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Speaker 12: Do you try to, whenever he comes back, coach him

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Speaker 12: out of that or do you just have to let

2103
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Speaker 12: him play?

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Speaker 5: It's a great question. There's a balance there of obviously

2105
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Speaker 5: him coming off of injury, you want to be very

2106
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Speaker 5: mindful of that, and that a lot of that will

2107
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Speaker 5: be up to him as he as he feels his

2108
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Speaker 5: pocket movement, in his play style. Those are decisions that

2109
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Speaker 5: that he's gonna have to feel out as he goes forward.

2110
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Speaker 5: And sure, i'd love to say, you know, let's let's

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Speaker 5: be productive and and not put him in an environment

2112
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Speaker 5: where that's gonna happen. But you out there in the

2113
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Speaker 5: football field, and that's that's why it's gonna take shape,

2114
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Speaker 5: especially on third downs, especially on non passing situations. We're

2115
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Speaker 5: a good defense. You know, these guys will do a

2116
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Speaker 5: lot to disrupt you and throw you off course in

2117
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Speaker 5: disguise and pressure from different angles, and they got good

2118
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Speaker 5: players and so you can't it's the NFL. You can't

2119
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Speaker 5: go out there with with kid gloves on and say

2120
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Speaker 5: we're never gonna let this happen. It's some things are

2121
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Speaker 5: gonna happen naturally, and it'll be in his hands to

2122
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Speaker 5: take care of it if he's out there. Over the

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Speaker 5: last few months in the background, have you made any

2124
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Speaker 5: tweets kind of the Borough offense and the idea of

2125
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Speaker 5: helpings to love from Borough comes back or is it

2126
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Speaker 5: just like normal? Yeah, I mean, like we gain plan

2127
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Speaker 5: for the teams we're playing against, and you know, it's

2128
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Speaker 5: a lot of times that's that's the forefront of it,

2129
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Speaker 5: is how do we utilize our weapons and how do

2130
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Speaker 5: we game plan against the team, you know, for all

2131
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Speaker 5: the things they're showing us to keep them off off kilter.

2132
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Speaker 5: So that's always what we balance and that's what we'll

2133
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Speaker 5: continue to do as we move forward.

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Speaker 12: You've seen in terms of improvement in the defensive line

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Speaker 12: over the last couple of games.

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Speaker 13: Chris Jenkins was telling us that teams that they are

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Speaker 13: playing faster and more aggressive.

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Speaker 5: Not thank you as much, You've seen the same thing

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Speaker 5: I see that too, and we've got a lot of

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Speaker 5: young players out there that every game is that they're

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Speaker 5: gaining more experience and they're gaining more confidence and more

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Speaker 5: cohesion and understanding what we're ask them to do. And

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Speaker 5: so I've certainly seen that, especially these last two weeks,

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Speaker 5: You've seen a big step up for a lot of

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Speaker 5: players and you can feel their confidence level. And obviously

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Speaker 5: our standard as a team is not near where we

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Speaker 5: want it to be. We want to be playing at

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Speaker 5: a higher level in all areas, but there are some

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Speaker 5: things that have been encouraging to what you're mentioned from

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Speaker 5: Chris that you can feel the confidence from those guys

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Speaker 5: and they're starting to make plays and starting to believe,

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Speaker 5: and we'll continue to crease that as move forward. If

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Speaker 5: you go.

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Speaker 13: Through your expert carriyas the most efficient you guys have

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Speaker 13: won the wall, you know since you've been here, Is

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Speaker 13: there anything anything you can point to do that any element.

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Speaker 5: I think our line's playing really well. I think they've

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Speaker 5: done a great job giving us confidence there. I think

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Speaker 5: Chase and Samaj and Taj have found a good rhythm

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Speaker 5: behind it are tight ends. Like I think I mentioned

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Speaker 5: this yesterday, we got a lot of guys on the perimeter,

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Speaker 5: tight ends, receivers that have bought into and are doing

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Speaker 5: their part. And you know, the coach has done a

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Speaker 5: good job with the scheme putting these guys in position.

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Speaker 5: You know, our position coaches and pitch and all those

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Speaker 5: guys all week are working on that plan and and

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Speaker 5: something our guys believe in and and so we've had

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Speaker 5: some some efficiency there, some explosives there, and that's that's

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Speaker 5: really helped us.

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Speaker 12: Chase Brown seems to have developed a little bit of

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Speaker 12: hesitation or a patience. Is that something that you guys

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Speaker 12: kind of coached into the scheme or is that just

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Speaker 12: a player rely on on instinct. Well, I think a

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Speaker 12: little bit of both.

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Speaker 5: That's you know, Justin Hill goes through all those runs

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Speaker 5: with those guys and make sure it paints a picture

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Speaker 5: of what the expectation is and how it fits in

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Speaker 5: with the scheme, and just the more reps you've gotten

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Speaker 5: of it, Chase develops a rhythm on how things are

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Speaker 5: going to hit, the timing of it, and the patience

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Speaker 5: he can have. And but I think it really starts.

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Speaker 5: I think I think Justin Hill does a great job

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Speaker 5: of paying a picture for those guys of what the

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Speaker 5: look is, we expect, we're we expected to hit the

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Speaker 5: timing of when it is, and there's a lot that

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Speaker 5: goes into it and certainly help it. Hope it helps

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Speaker 5: those those backs, you know, as they're getting into a

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Speaker 5: rhythm we all have prepping for each season going into it.

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Speaker 5: How much are the conversations all around the building or how.

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Speaker 4: Do we you know, with with having a guy like

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Speaker 4: Burrow in mind, having that caliber quarterback in mind, how

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Speaker 4: much is that shape kind of all the decisions that

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Speaker 4: get made over the course of prepping for an individual season.

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Speaker 5: I guess I don't really think of it there ways,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how answer.

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Speaker 7: As Joe Burrow articulated, why it's so important for him

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Speaker 7: to come back or is it just understood because it's job.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a great question that I'd rather him answer.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think when you get an opportunity to

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Speaker 5: talk to him, is he and I have had conversations

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Speaker 5: on everything leading up to these weeks and so I'll

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Speaker 5: leave that to him to better answer. Did you guys

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Speaker 5: talk much when he was like out out? What were

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Speaker 5: the conversations like when he was still early? I mean,

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Speaker 5: there was times I would catch him in the weight

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Speaker 5: room as he's going through his rehead progression. So I

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Speaker 5: don't I can to find a lot, but we certainly

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Speaker 5: had several conversations throughout the weeks, and then he started

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Speaker 5: getting back into full blown meetings, you know, as partners

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Speaker 5: with them. Teddy's in a boot, so we're not asking

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Speaker 5: to travel stairs all the time. And then we got

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Speaker 5: out of that. He became full time back in meetings

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Speaker 5: several weeks ago and he's been back in the picture

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Speaker 5: ever since. So he and I have had a lot

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Speaker 5: of dialogue, especially these last probably three weeks, and a

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Speaker 5: couple more before that when he first come off the

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Speaker 5: entry Chamar back in the building today?

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Speaker 12: Is it business as usual?

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Speaker 5: Were their conversations? Was there contrition on his part? How

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Speaker 5: does today go? Seeing him? Briefly? And and we're moving

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Speaker 5: full speed ahead.

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Speaker 1: This has been the Zach Taylor Breast Conference on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official hole of US Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: All right, there you go, Zach Taylor. Kind of a

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Speaker 3: noosy day for Zach Taylor talking about Trey Hendrickson, t

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Speaker 3: Higgins not playing no Taje Brooks, but acknowledging that they're

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Speaker 3: anticipating Joe Burrow playing on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, T Higgins, Trey Hendrickson. Who are we more

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Speaker 4: likely to see this year? T?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, T, I know what's wrong with him. It's a concussion, now,

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Speaker 3: you know. I certainly there's different degrees of severity.

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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking of the conversation we had with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: Do you do you carry that with T Higgins who

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Speaker 4: had a pretty nasty concussion?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the core players for next year, the core guys, yes, yep.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of dudes on the team right now.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't care if you play or not, but

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Speaker 3: but there's like the guys you you need next year.

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Speaker 3: T is one of those players, correct, So I yes,

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Speaker 3: I would exercise extreme caution with him because you have

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Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 3: So there you go. We're pretty much done. Tony is

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Speaker 3: back for Tony Pike since he three sixty at noon tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I return at three zero five, broadcasting from a different

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Speaker 3: establishment again. We're in Westchester next week. We're done here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Mike Mills for producing on site, Tarren Bland

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Speaker 3: for producing back in Kenwood. Have a great night. Bengals

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