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Speaker 1: So we jump in this morning with news a governor

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Speaker 1: a shutdown of course, approaching the thirty day mark, and

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Speaker 1: That's all we do now is continuing resolutions and then

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Speaker 1: government will happen in another seven weeks. So Democrats have

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Speaker 1: blocked it. They want enhanced Obamacare subsidies and want Medicaid funding.

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Speaker 1: And now with forty two million people set to lose

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Speaker 1: flo's assistance with snap benefits on Saturday. Is anyone feeling

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Speaker 1: And I'll know too that congressional approval rating has plummeted

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Speaker 1: Burton is a political analyst at Crosstown Consulting in northern Kentucky. Kevin,

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Speaker 1: welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the national politics of this, I

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Speaker 1: Mayor aft Ted Pureval has fired but not fired Chief

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean for as mayor Aftabs going to

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Speaker 2: He's going to win.

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Speaker 3: The real question is going to be there's a lot

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first off, the city of Cincinnati voted

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Speaker 3: And time and time again, voters for just have apathy

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Speaker 1: political analysts with Crosstown consultings upholster with the shutdown itself,

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Speaker 3: That Just get the job done. Like you guys are elected,

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Speaker 1: Democrats will say, well, we're getting some traction here because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, no, and sometimes when you're the loudest,

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's that's the billion dollar question.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you have an exam, you're going to

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Speaker 1: And we're seeing a fifteen percent approval rating. Fifteen percent

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Speaker 3: Yet you know ninety percent of incumbents will still win.

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Speaker 3: You know, so like the neo liberals, I want to

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Speaker 3: So if you ask me, I think Republicans will come

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Speaker 1: We're subsidizing that. That's other people's tax money that you're

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Speaker 1: Everything I work for is is gone right. I get

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Speaker 1: the urgency, that's a different matter entirely, and I could

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Speaker 1: too long. It's probably we're gonna we're gonna do something

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Speaker 1: our point. It's time to govern at some point. Somebody's

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Speaker 3: He would think, So go to your job. Everyone else

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Speaker 3: for me. And that's just the story of our Congress.

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Speaker 3: Where they can do insider training, where they can basically

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Speaker 3: I mean they need to get to work.

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Speaker 1: I know that today and all I there a meaning

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Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know you talk about no kings, but that would

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Speaker 1: apply to Congress as well based on what you just said.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Burton is with Crosstown Consulting. He's a political Anamson

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Speaker 1: polster in northern Kentucky. Kevin, thanks to the inside is

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Speaker 1: always good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Falney.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, real quick, what if you're going to

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Speaker 3: I just think that you know, there's elections, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know you're gambling with forty two million lives. I

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Speaker 2: You just have to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the opt on that are terrible. Kevin, all the best,

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Speaker 1: Thanks again, brother, Yeah, I appreciate you. Let's get a

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