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Speaker 1: The Bengals like ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports State.

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Speaker 2: Right there you go. Four minutes after five o'clock, miss

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Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger, thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: Beangals have signed a defensive tackle, Jonathan Allen, former pro bowler.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Terren's are Minnesota Vikings guy, so I

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Speaker 2: need him to tell us what Jonathan Allen did for

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Speaker 2: the Vikings last season and maybe more specifically, why they

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Speaker 2: cut him that little bit later on, plus you'll hear

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Speaker 2: from Brian Cook, You'll hear from Boye Mafe as well,

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Speaker 2: and we'll chat with our bracketologist Hunter Sansom in just

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Speaker 2: about thirty minutes. Miami lost today. By the way, Auburn

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Speaker 2: is winning by ten midway through the second half, taking

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Speaker 2: on Tennessee today. Kentucky a winner earlier today in the

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Speaker 2: SEC Tournament. Wildcats in Florida tomorrow one o'clock tip off

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Ohio State beat Iowa. Xavier plays

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Speaker 2: yukon tonight. The Bearcats are not playing today because of

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Speaker 2: a meltdown yesterday that I think felt oddly fitting when

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Speaker 2: you see dug a hole early in the season. They

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Speaker 2: lost a lot of games that were there for the

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Speaker 2: taking that they maybe should have won, or at least

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Speaker 2: could have won. When you're up eight with two minutes

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Speaker 2: to go, there's no could have about it. They should

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Speaker 2: have won that game. So they should be playing today.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've been still paying attention

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Speaker 2: to what's happening in the Big twelve tournament. Arizona was

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Speaker 2: off to a very quick start against UCF leads by thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what the outcome would have been, But yesterday

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Speaker 2: was rough, Yesterday was sobering. Yesterday was not good for

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Speaker 2: west Miller. Chad Brendle is here bearcatjournal dot com. Hey doing, sir?

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Speaker 3: How many timeouts do I have for this segment? Just checking?

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Speaker 2: Will you use them? Will you use them if something

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Speaker 2: actually use them?

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Speaker 3: Time out? Time out? What you call it on time?

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Speaker 3: If I wait until two seconds left in the segment,

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Speaker 3: you call it on time. You know.

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Speaker 2: I watched. I watched as soon as the game ended,

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Speaker 2: Keegan on the aftermath after the game, and your takeaway

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Speaker 2: from the game itself was the same as mine. It

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Speaker 2: was almost poetic for their bubble hopes, their NCAA tournament hopes,

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Speaker 2: to go up in flames with a loss that felt

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Speaker 2: like an extreme version of so many earlier this season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when the pressure ratcheted up, they reverted back to form,

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Speaker 3: and it wasn't the form that had them, you know,

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Speaker 3: was what we saw. They had five games this year,

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Speaker 3: mough with a double digit lead that they lost that's

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Speaker 3: hard to fathom, and up eight with two minutes left,

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Speaker 3: Like the number of damning stats that came out of

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Speaker 3: that game where it's hard to even fathom as I

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Speaker 3: was going through them. They got one shot on the

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Speaker 3: it was the day Day Thomas three. With eight tenths

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Speaker 3: Like that is the Mick Cronin won seventy percent of

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Speaker 2: They're down, they're up six after a turnover that cuts

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Speaker 3: How a sleep at the wheel? I don't know. And

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Speaker 3: You set your defense, you get your team to calm down,

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Speaker 3: And he just let him play through it. And what happens.

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Speaker 3: Thomas turns it over and still no timeouts called. He

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Speaker 3: and he was trying to strategically like, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to use my last time out. He had three timeouts.

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Speaker 3: Is there a closet his contract where you get a

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We're going to talk about Wes's contract

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Speaker 2: during the meltdown. How fair is that? Bit of second guessing.

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Speaker 3: Fair. I said it in the middle of the game.

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Speaker 3: I said it the second half. Keishan Tillery was your

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Speaker 3: second best player today behind Mustafa Cham He was playing excellent.

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Speaker 3: I get it. You want was there they did? They

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Speaker 3: put something in the rules that you couldn't play with

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Speaker 3: just in case, you know, was he afraid of subbing again?

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Speaker 3: Was there another issue with being afraid of using substitutions?

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Speaker 3: I just I'm perplexed at the way the entire thing

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Speaker 2: Before the season started, you joined me in studio and

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Speaker 2: was tournament or bust, right, make the tournament, Wes is cool.

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Speaker 2: Missed the tournament, Wes is out. And your retort to

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Speaker 2: that was I didn't say that, No, that was me.

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Speaker 2: And your retort to that was, I need to see

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Speaker 2: how it looks. I need to see how it looks,

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Speaker 2: which I think is fair because context does matter. So

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Speaker 2: they've they've played an entire season. How did it look.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. How you sell it to the fan

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Speaker 3: But you got a fan base. Those are your customers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you're going to win them back.

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Speaker 3: If the answer is Wes is coming back after five

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you. I don't know how you

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Speaker 3: the season, Like, we want to talk about that. They

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Speaker 3: lost on a neutral court yesterday. That's that also counts,

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Speaker 3: right like that, we we look at it in totality. Look,

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Speaker 3: here's the reality, MO. If they would have won yesterday,

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Speaker 3: the instant selection Sunday. But let's say the committee comes

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Speaker 3: five weeks, whatever, and we think he has earned another

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Speaker 3: year at the Helm. Now. I don't know how you

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Speaker 3: those lower bowls seeds. That's an investment, Like, that's a

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Speaker 3: that's I remember, and I know you remember the last

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Speaker 2: In the announced Yeah, look like for those.

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Speaker 3: First couple of Mike cronin years. I remember what that

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Speaker 2: So I guess you talk about like the impossibility of

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Speaker 2: How much? How much is that a factor versus the buyout?

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. I don't have that answer. That's

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Speaker 3: a that's ultimately the thing that John Cunningham has to weigh,

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Speaker 3: then you know, you have to pay four million dollars

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Speaker 3: to play the nil game. Like, I understand all that,

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Speaker 3: but as an athletic director, that's part of what your

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Speaker 3: manage you know, Hey, look, I know you're gonna be

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Speaker 3: upset if Less isn't our coach next year. But guess what, well,

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Speaker 3: you'll be involved in the process of hiring a new coach.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna do everything we can to make sure you

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Speaker 3: Like You've got to be able to manage all of

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Speaker 3: the parts in the athletic department that make up putting

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Speaker 3: come see. And I just being around the fan base,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's really where the money comes in though,

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Speaker 3: you're screwing over whoever is coming in to be the coach,

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Speaker 3: because look, this is not a shot at Xavior. I

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Speaker 3: Winning in the Big twelve is a much different animal

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Speaker 3: he's dead, Like what right? So no, no, he's not.

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Speaker 3: You do you better be damn sure that the guy

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be. You know, everybody says, I'll give the new

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Speaker 2: If there were to be a change, and you just

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Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of talk about April first

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Speaker 3: We're three weeks yeah, from April first, right, there's a

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Speaker 3: I had a hard time seeing tomorrow, which probably means

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Speaker 3: A decision should be mad or could be made, which

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Speaker 2: I guess if I made you wager an amount of

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Speaker 3: I would say probably right now sixty forty that they

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Speaker 3: I can't say with any more certainty because you don't

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Speaker 3: So I think if all things were equal, the easy

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Speaker 2: We've gone along. They're not going to have their name

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Speaker 3: I mean that also probably depends on their decision on

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine not to pay in

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Speaker 3: the play in the Crown, You're probably gonna play in

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Speaker 2: Man, awesome stuff as always. I'm sure we'll be talking

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