WEBVTT - Do Audiobooks Count as Reading? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.200 If somebody who has a debate going on at work, 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.360 they work at a police department and their name is Kelly. Hi, Kelly, 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.600 what is your debate going on at work? And we 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:10.360 will settle this. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.240 Okay. So the debate since twenty twenty six has started 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.640 is people keep book counts, right, like of books they 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:18.520 read throughout the year? 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:18.959 Sure? 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.479 Yeah, and they go, wow, I read one hundred books 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:25.079 or whatever. So our debate has been does it count 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.920 if you listen to the book and don't physically read it? 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:29.680 Yeah? 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.040 Or does it only count if you physically read it? 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:33.360 Okay? What do you think? 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.040 I think that it can count that you read the book, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.440 But I don't think it counts as that you look 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.879 like you actually read read the book. If that make sense? Yeah, no, 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:43.880 it does, because I think you do a podcast. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.960 Yeah no, I would agree with you. There's nothing wrong 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.959 with listening to an audiobook is not a disgrace or shameful. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.040 But you didn't read the book. You listened it to 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.680 the book. What do you think daily? 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.520 I think it counts only because I I think of 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.120 it in a way that what if you're blind and 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.200 you want to read a book, that's how you're going 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.520 to read a book. So would you say that a 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.800 blind person has never read a book or does it happen? 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.800 I say they've driven, okay, I mean there's certain things 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.199 that blind people can't do. They just prohibitively cannot drive, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.119 and they can't read. They can read brail. I would say, 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.479 if a blind person read with brail, then they read 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:22.919 the book. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.760 I still think it counts as reading because I'm digesting 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.520 the information that was in the book. I'm just digesting 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.360 it with my ears, and no, I am multitask. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:32.760 I'm going to be real honest with you. There was 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.920 somebody who used to say I read a book. I'm like, no, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.840 you didn't. You listen to the audiobook. But I respect you, Bailey, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.880 more than I respected that person. So when you say 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.399 you read a book, I will say, yes, I agree 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.360 you read a book because I respect you more than 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:46.920 that person. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.400 And I can read. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.080 I know how to read, and I have read a 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.880 physical book. But if the only books I ever read 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.240 were physical books, I would never read books because I'm 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:56.920 pretty busy. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.160 What do they say down at work? 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:00.680 Fifty fifty? 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.400 Is it fifty to fifty? Okay? 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.480 But you're but you're right, oh, I'm always right. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.120 Well yeah, okay, okay, it is going to say, in 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.560 your opinion, you're absolutely right. Okay, what do you think 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.680 I'm going to ask people who listen to the show 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.800 text in and let us note, is listening to the 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.880 audio book count as reading? 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.440 I think it absolutely counts. There's no question it counts. 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:25.799 But you can't say you. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:30.079 Read it, not your physical count because you didn't read 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:30.919 the book. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:32.640 So you're supposed to take two counts. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.880 You're supposed to take a physical book count and an 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.720 audiobook count. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.799 That's two different counts. I'd rather just keep one. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.160 But it doesn't sound as cool if you say I 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.280 read one hundred and fifty books. It's like, well, actually 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:46.919 I listened to ninety of them. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.040 You're still there's a lot of books expending. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.280 Energy that are there that many books? That reading? 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.520 So many books? I read like sixty. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.639 Name five books. Charlotte's Web, Harry Potter. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.560 Sorcerer's Stone, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.760 Okay, okay, besides Harry Potter, Girl, I can't gone girl. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.200 And that's it. There are no more books. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.240 That's it, that's all. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:09.680 That's it. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.520 Yeah, that's all you need to read. You just read 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.600 the five books and you're done. But is reading a 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.840 book listening? Is listening to an audiobook? Reading a book bought? 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.400 Say, I'd never thought about it, but there is like 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.560 two different counts. You didn't physically read it, but you 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:22.680 did digest the info. 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.000 So would you say I digested the book. Nobody's going 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:27.560 to say that. I don't care if you do, say 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.120 I read a book read an audio book. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:30.560 Would you look at me crazy if I said, Dave, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.359 guess what, I digested this book like. 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:34.640 You ate the book. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.440 Text messages listening counts as reading? What if you're blind? Well, 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.320 I mentioned that when you're braille. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.000 Like, you don't come out the womb knowing how to 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:44.640 read braill. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:45.840 Okay, I'm going to say. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.240 I'm going to say, no, it doesn't count because let's 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.480 just say you don't know how to read, you know 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.160 how to listen. You know what I'm saying. So you 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:53.720 didn't read anything, So you don't even know how to read, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:54.560 but you listened to a book. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.800 Okay, this is the This text says it counts as 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.960 reading because I've read multiple studies about how an audiobook 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.560 activates the same parts in your brain as it would 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:04.480 if you were reading it. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.400 It's not true though, not only does it doesn't matter 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.440 whether it activates. We're not talking about whether it activates 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.119 the same parts of your brain. We're talking about whether 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:19.120 you can use the verb read or listened if you wrong. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.159 But one is different than the other. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.080 If you don't know how to read, period, like if 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:24.680 you don't know that C. A T spells cat, that 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.479 you don't have to know how to read. So but 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.440 I could listen to something and still say I've heard 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:29.520 the book but you didn't read it. 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:30.680 Yeah, but you wouldn't. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.760 Say I heard the book. You wouldn't say I digested, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.680 should say I read. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:34.839 It either, because you digested it. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:36.120 You did read it. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.479 You were you you heard everything that's in that book. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.599 It's like if somebody was reading to you out loud, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.320 Like if you're reading you know, Go dog Go to 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.360 someone else, would you then say, like, I've never read 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:47.880 Go dog Go. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.120 No, you know exactly what happened in Go dog Go 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.080 because someone read it to you. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:52.640 If you took your car to the car wash, are 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.520 you gonna say I washed my car? No, because you 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.680 didn't wash your car somebody else did. You'd say I 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:57.160 washed my car. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.520 I did wash my car. Yeah, I did my laundry. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.160 But did the machine do it or did I do 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:07.560 the Here's the final answer. The doctor nights and says 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.920 I have a PhD and language acquisition. Listening and reading 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.080 are two different modalities. Don't use big words on me, doctor, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.120 They have distinct processing mechanisms and we assess them separately 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.599 in language learning. They also have their own proficiency levels. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.719 That said, listening and reading are separate inputs. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:32.400 So it says you don't read a podcast exactly because a. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.560 Podcast isn't a book, Like I wouldn't read a podcast 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.760 because a podcast not a book. But if I'm reading 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.080 Gone Girl the audiobook, I'm reading that book because it's 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:41.360 a book. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.159 It's meant to be a book. And I don't. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.359 Know what this is what really is irking me. I 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.279 don't know how you can argue about something so small 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.919 and trivial when there's something else to argue about, whether 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.359 a hot dog is a sandwich or not. Now you 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.440 guys will just stop ignoring that giant issue in the. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:01.880 Room is a sereal of soup. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.880 No, why not. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.440 Let us know, let me hear there's a couple of 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:14.000 other text messages. I'm an avid audio booker. It absolutely counts. Also, 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:14.720 who cares. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.240 No, you're absolutely right. I don't care. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.839 If you are a child at school and all you 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.000 did was listen to books, you would never learn to read. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:24.880 That's what I'm saying. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.560 They don't physically know how to read. Another text says 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.200 I had the book read to me. Maybe that's what 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.880 we should be saying. That's not a bad idea. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.240 This is a text that says whenever I say my 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.840 friend built their house, my husband says, they didn't build it. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.040 The construction workers build it. So people go, yeah, I'm 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.520 building the house out in maple plane. No you're not. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.240 Oh, I love all these different layers of this onion. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.880 Somebody else said, if I watch so, if I watch 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.039 a show based on the book, is that the same 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.400 as reading the book? The ballad question, it is movies. Well, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:56.960 by Bailey's definition, it. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.640 Is no, because it's not the book itself. I'm making sense. Okay, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:02.760 I'm making sense. 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:03.720 What you think? 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:04.680 I think. 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.720 I read fifty five books last year, and yes they 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.320 were all audiobooks. But I was digesting the book itself, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.760 and someone was, yeah, reading it to me, but I 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.119 still read the book. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:17.480 You think you're making sense, but are you make it? 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:17.760 Change? 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:17.960 Now? 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.600 Let me ask you this one. So here's a teacher. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.880 So a teacher that says a student would not be 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.040 able to count listening to a story being read to 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.840 them as a book they read. If you are a 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.040 teacher and you assigned that they got to read To 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.320 Kill a Mockingbird and they listened to the audio book, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:40.480 does that count? Let me know, teacher, We're curious. This 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.680 is one of those dumb, harmless debates where it doesn't 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.400 really matter whether you're right or wrong.