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Speaker 1: If somebody who has a debate going on at work,

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Speaker 1: they work at a police department and their name is Kelly. Hi, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: what is your debate going on at work? And we

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Speaker 1: will settle this.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So the debate since twenty twenty six has started

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Speaker 2: is people keep book counts, right, like of books they

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Speaker 2: read throughout the year?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they go, wow, I read one hundred books

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Speaker 2: or whatever. So our debate has been does it count

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Speaker 2: if you listen to the book and don't physically read it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Or does it only count if you physically read it?

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Speaker 3: Okay? What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I think that it can count that you read the book,

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it counts as that you look

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Speaker 2: like you actually read read the book. If that make sense? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: it does, because I think you do a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I would agree with you. There's nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with listening to an audiobook is not a disgrace or shameful.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't read the book. You listened it to

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Speaker 1: the book. What do you think daily?

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Speaker 4: I think it counts only because I I think of

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Speaker 4: it in a way that what if you're blind and

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Speaker 4: you want to read a book, that's how you're going

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Speaker 4: to read a book. So would you say that a

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Speaker 4: blind person has never read a book or does it happen?

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Speaker 1: I say they've driven, okay, I mean there's certain things

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Speaker 1: that blind people can't do. They just prohibitively cannot drive,

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Speaker 1: and they can't read. They can read brail. I would say,

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Speaker 1: if a blind person read with brail, then they read

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Speaker 4: I still think it counts as reading because I'm digesting

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Speaker 4: the information that was in the book. I'm just digesting

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Speaker 4: it with my ears, and no, I am multitask.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be real honest with you. There was

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Speaker 1: somebody who used to say I read a book. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: you didn't. You listen to the audiobook. But I respect you, Bailey,

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Speaker 1: more than I respected that person. So when you say

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Speaker 1: you read a book because I respect you more than

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Speaker 5: And I can read.

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Speaker 4: I know how to read, and I have read a

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Speaker 4: physical book. But if the only books I ever read

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Speaker 4: were physical books, I would never read books because I'm

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Speaker 4: pretty busy.

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Speaker 3: What do they say down at work?

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Speaker 2: Fifty fifty?

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Speaker 3: Is it fifty to fifty? Okay?

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Speaker 2: But you're but you're right, oh, I'm always right.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, okay, it is going to say, in

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Speaker 1: your opinion, you're absolutely right. Okay, what do you think

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask people who listen to the show

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Speaker 1: text in and let us note, is listening to the

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Speaker 1: audio book count as reading?

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Speaker 3: I think it absolutely counts. There's no question it counts.

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Speaker 3: But you can't say you.

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Speaker 2: Read it, not your physical count because you didn't read

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Speaker 5: So you're supposed to take two counts.

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Speaker 4: You're supposed to take a physical book count and an

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Speaker 4: audiobook count.

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Speaker 5: That's two different counts. I'd rather just keep one.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't sound as cool if you say I

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Speaker 2: read one hundred and fifty books. It's like, well, actually

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Speaker 2: I listened to ninety of them.

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Speaker 4: You're still there's a lot of books expending.

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Speaker 3: Energy that are there that many books? That reading?

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Speaker 5: So many books? I read like sixty.

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Speaker 1: Name five books. Charlotte's Web, Harry Potter.

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Speaker 4: Sorcerer's Stone, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, besides Harry Potter, Girl, I can't gone girl.

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Speaker 3: And that's it. There are no more books.

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Speaker 5: That's it, that's all.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all you need to read. You just read

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Speaker 1: the five books and you're done. But is reading a

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Speaker 1: book listening? Is listening to an audiobook? Reading a book bought?

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Speaker 6: Say, I'd never thought about it, but there is like

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Speaker 6: two different counts. You didn't physically read it, but you

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Speaker 6: did digest the info.

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Speaker 1: So would you say I digested the book. Nobody's going

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Speaker 1: to say that. I don't care if you do, say

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Speaker 1: I read a book read an audio book.

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Speaker 6: Would you look at me crazy if I said, Dave,

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Speaker 6: guess what, I digested this book like.

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Speaker 3: You ate the book.

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Speaker 1: Text messages listening counts as reading? What if you're blind? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that when you're braille.

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Speaker 5: Like, you don't come out the womb knowing how to

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to say.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to say, no, it doesn't count because let's

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Speaker 6: just say you don't know how to read, you know

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Speaker 6: how to listen. You know what I'm saying. So you

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Speaker 6: didn't read anything, So you don't even know how to read,

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Speaker 6: but you listened to a book.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is the This text says it counts as

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Speaker 4: reading because I've read multiple studies about how an audiobook

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Speaker 4: activates the same parts in your brain as it would

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Speaker 4: if you were reading it.

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Speaker 1: It's not true though, not only does it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: whether it activates. We're not talking about whether it activates

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Speaker 1: the same parts of your brain. We're talking about whether

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Speaker 1: you can use the verb read or listened if you wrong.

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Speaker 1: But one is different than the other.

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Speaker 6: If you don't know how to read, period, like if

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Speaker 6: you don't know that C. A T spells cat, that

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Speaker 6: you don't have to know how to read. So but

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Speaker 6: I could listen to something and still say I've heard

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Speaker 6: the book but you didn't read it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Say I heard the book. You wouldn't say I digested,

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Speaker 4: should say I read.

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Speaker 3: It either, because you digested it.

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Speaker 5: You did read it.

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Speaker 4: You were you you heard everything that's in that book.

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Speaker 4: It's like if somebody was reading to you out loud,

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Speaker 4: Like if you're reading you know, Go dog Go to

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Speaker 4: Go dog Go.

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Speaker 5: No, you know exactly what happened in Go dog Go

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Speaker 5: because someone read it to you.

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Speaker 6: If you took your car to the car wash, are

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Speaker 6: you gonna say I washed my car? No, because you

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Speaker 1: I did wash my car. Yeah, I did my laundry.

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Speaker 1: But did the machine do it or did I do

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Speaker 1: the Here's the final answer. The doctor nights and says

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Speaker 1: I have a PhD and language acquisition. Listening and reading

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Speaker 1: They have distinct processing mechanisms and we assess them separately

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Speaker 1: in language learning. They also have their own proficiency levels.

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Speaker 1: That said, listening and reading are separate inputs.

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Speaker 6: So it says you don't read a podcast exactly because a.

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Speaker 4: Podcast isn't a book, Like I wouldn't read a podcast

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Speaker 4: because a podcast not a book. But if I'm reading

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Speaker 4: Gone Girl the audiobook, I'm reading that book because it's

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Speaker 5: It's meant to be a book. And I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know what this is what really is irking me. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you can argue about something so small

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Speaker 1: and trivial when there's something else to argue about, whether

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Speaker 1: a hot dog is a sandwich or not. Now you

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Speaker 1: guys will just stop ignoring that giant issue in the.

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Speaker 5: Room is a sereal of soup.

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Speaker 3: No, why not.

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Speaker 1: Let us know, let me hear there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: other text messages. I'm an avid audio booker. It absolutely counts. Also,

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Speaker 3: No, you're absolutely right. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: If you are a child at school and all you

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Speaker 1: did was listen to books, you would never learn to read.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: They don't physically know how to read. Another text says

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Speaker 6: I had the book read to me. Maybe that's what

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Speaker 6: we should be saying. That's not a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: This is a text that says whenever I say my

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Speaker 1: friend built their house, my husband says, they didn't build it.

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Speaker 1: The construction workers build it. So people go, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: building the house out in maple plane. No you're not.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I love all these different layers of this onion.

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Speaker 6: Somebody else said, if I watch so, if I watch

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Speaker 6: a show based on the book, is that the same

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Speaker 6: as reading the book? The ballad question, it is movies. Well,

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Speaker 6: by Bailey's definition, it.

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Speaker 4: Is no, because it's not the book itself. I'm making sense. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm making sense.

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Speaker 3: What you think?

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 4: I read fifty five books last year, and yes they

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Speaker 4: were all audiobooks. But I was digesting the book itself,

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Speaker 4: and someone was, yeah, reading it to me, but I

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Speaker 4: still read the book.

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Speaker 5: You think you're making sense, but are you make it?

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Speaker 6: Change?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this one. So here's a teacher.

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Speaker 1: So a teacher that says a student would not be

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Speaker 1: them as a book they read. If you are a

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Speaker 1: Kill a Mockingbird and they listened to the audio book,

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Speaker 1: does that count? Let me know, teacher, We're curious. This

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Speaker 1: is one of those dumb, harmless debates where it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really matter whether you're right or wrong.