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Speaker 1: so today with the National Basketball Association in the meat grinder,

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Speaker 1: fair portion of today's broadcast as well. Brat Shawn Brian

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Speaker 1: hall of fame basketball player and now coach who the

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Speaker 1: Wolves just knocked off last night, right, Chauncey Billups think.

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Speaker 2: About it, his last moment in the NBA might be

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Speaker 1: Miami Heat guard Terry Rosier, and a more forgettable player

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Speaker 1: We are what two days into the National Basketball Association

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Speaker 1: Where was the San Antonio Davy Dallas game? That was

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Speaker 1: Was it forty points in thirty minutes? Double check his box?

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Speaker 1: I think that was the most impressive impressive part for me.

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Speaker 1: He got to forty, but I think he only played

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Speaker 1: as notably, the alleged participation in both of these scandals

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Speaker 1: Your guy Cash Pttel, the FBI director, showed up for

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Speaker 1: the presser. This was at a federal courthouse in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: the accusations. Here, billups indicted for his alleged participation in

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Speaker 1: what is described as a wide ranging, years long scheme

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Speaker 1: Royal Flush. That's what that refers to. And that scheme

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Speaker 1: not knowing that the games were rigged. Also involved members

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Speaker 1: Are those the Big Four? Are we forgetting one or two?

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Speaker 2: I think there's a few others, but those are pretty

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Speaker 1: Rosier is thirty one. He's charged with taking himself out

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Speaker 1: No particular surprises there at all, Jones you may know

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Speaker 1: that night, told an unnamed co conspirator to place a

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Speaker 1: more people are reading from the indictments, the more specific

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Speaker 1: Back to Jones, he sold or tried to profit from

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Speaker 1: He bets sixty one thousand dollars on prop bets on

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Speaker 1: nine grand waged on Roseer by that group. And for

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Speaker 1: who allegedly told it better that a number of Trailblazers

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Speaker 1: seen that before? No, that was good to me. Now,

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Speaker 1: I understand it, Billups is invited, they do the old Well,

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Speaker 1: big names attract interest, and we can get other people

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Speaker 1: you just show up and play, right. But the allegation is,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it on integrity the game in

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Speaker 1: for insider trading. That's the most damaging thing to any

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Speaker 1: But then if it's okay, Phillips is playing some high

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Speaker 1: apparently with some congratulations to you first grandchild. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: the layers and the branches to this or I think

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Speaker 3: the numerous needless to say, this has been going on

430
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Speaker 3: a long time. I'm not shocked. I don't think now

431
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: people are talking about it was a gateway drug basically

432
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: right Daniel smoke and then that's kind of how they

433
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Speaker 3: did it. But this ain't the first time. I could wait,

434
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: I mean, we could take it back a long time.

435
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 3: I think we're more aware of it and the hypocrisy

436
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: with sports leagues is insufferable. And I like to bet

437
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: on a game now and they know with all of

438
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: a sudden from Pete Rose on on down eight before Pete.

439
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: But do we or are we just paying more. It's

440
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: like it's like we have more cameras on games. Are

441
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: we paying more attention? We have social media? Do we

442
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: pay more attention to the videos people post? Are have

443
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: we been you know, cheap shots or arguments on the sidelines?

444
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: Whatever it is? Now? This is big, But are we

445
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: just more paid more attention to it? Do we turn

446
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: the other cheek because it wasn't? Do I think it's

447
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: a gateway to bigger problems?

448
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: Sure?

449
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: Do I think that we're over we are. I mean,

450
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: if a guy bets on football and he's a baseball player,

451
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: does it open him up to think, you know, maybe

452
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Speaker 3: I can get away with this, or we've been getting

453
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Speaker 3: away with it for a while and we just paid

454
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Speaker 3: more attention. I don't. I wish I know the I

455
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 3: don't know the hypocrisy reeks, because yes, they're gonna make

456
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: billions golf and then turn around and suspend Ridley for

457
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: a year because he's betting on a fantasy football for

458
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: sixty bucks. I understand the hypocrisy, but I mean, this

459
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 3: is real, and this isn't just in this situation as

460
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: we know this is I think the problem. It makes

461
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: it even more heightened and not makes it, but that

462
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: people are like, uh, oh, is you know bets on

463
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Speaker 3: the side, golf bets, you know, back to the Michael

464
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: Jordan tie and the speculation about that. We've seen this

465
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: forever and how you handle it. But I think we're

466
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: more irritated if your fans and because people bet there

467
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: there's a they believe me, there's an epidemic of it,

468
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: or there's a The biggest sports betting degenerates in the

469
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Speaker 3: world are on college campuses across this country. I promise

470
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: you it's a It may not be the size of

471
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Speaker 3: the money right, but the number of debblers it is.

472
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Speaker 3: It is bigger than any place I've been, and I've

473
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: been around it. But you know, when I was playing,

474
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: it never came up. Nobody talked about it. Yet you

475
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: were always warned by NFL security to be aware. So

476
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: I think there's more attention paid to it like anything else.

477
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: But you know, we're not talking we're seeing you know,

478
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: people talk. We're not talking about you betting your buddies

479
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: at one hundred dollars poker game, you know, or playing

480
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: cards on the plane trip home. We're telling people get

481
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: whacked for this. Yes, we're talking about premeditated I'm talking

482
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Speaker 3: about both. We're talking about guy and now it's gonna

483
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Speaker 3: make us And now it opens up other sports. Leagues

484
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: are gonna say, eyes are gonna come to us if

485
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: they already have it, which they have with class and

486
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: baseball and all the other stuff. Now I'll open up

487
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: the eyes. Think about this. I've always hated load management.

488
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: Every time. Now a guy sits out because he's got

489
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: a little bit of a hammy or a cold. What

490
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Speaker 3: are we thinking, Dan?

491
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Speaker 1: Exactly?

492
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're now follow the money trail. They're gonna take

493
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: billions and then a guy bets and we're gonna make

494
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: it more serious. And it's not stopping here. It's not

495
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: stopping at thirty one. And you and I both got

496
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: I don't know the names, but I assure you it's

497
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: not stopping, not only in basketball or in these sports

498
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: like now, do they protect bigger stars. I don't know

499
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: if it is bigger stars, but I know this the

500
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: things you should never do. Or three, you can have

501
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: the cartel. When an FBI guy with a blue jacket

502
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: and yellow lead lettering on it showed up your house

503
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: or they're involved, you're you're You're in major trouble. Secondly,

504
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: when the last name Luke Casey and Banano and Gambino

505
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 3: and who am I leaving out when they're involved. This

506
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: ain't just the Irishmen or a Godfather show. This is

507
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: real and this is you didn't pay your bet and

508
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: so this is principle. Now, it doesn't matter if it's

509
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: five thousand or five million. Now, families and head on

510
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: a swivel. And this is premeditated by Billups and the

511
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: rest of them for different reasons. But can you imagine

512
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: telling people that, whether it's the arrogance, the ego, the chase,

513
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: the adrenaline, making one hundred and fifty million in your career,

514
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: telling the teammates about nine minutes I'm going out that

515
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: you're counting on the under and then they deliver the

516
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: money to your house while FBI is watching and you're

517
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: counting it in your own Think about the levels to this.

518
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: This just isn't it your buddies at a friendly game,

519
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: we're talking stuff. Guys get killed for this stuff. So

520
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, Dan, and I know, I mean, there's

521
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: so many you want to hit on all of them.

522
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: But do I think that it was a gateway drug

523
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: to bigger stuff? Sure? Do I think that's the only reason.

524
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. But it you know, we criticize the steroid

525
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: era and bud Sea League and Adam Silver. This is

526
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: he's attached to this. Whether he's involved or do anything

527
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: about it, he is attached to it. How I think

528
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: it gets, We'll go find out. But do I think

529
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: it's gonna make it where we say, yep, this is

530
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: what you get when you invite it in. But if

531
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 3: you didn't invite it in, people are still doing it

532
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: illegally with bookies in every town, at every college on

533
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: the planet, and more players and coaches are probably involved

534
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: in people deciding games than we think. The problem now

535
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: is we know four big mafia families were involved in this,

536
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: and now the collateral damage becomes danger and like and

537
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: then stuff where you got to go and witness protection.

538
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: If you're sitting out of jail for prison. It's a

539
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: scary situation and a really damaging one.

540
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: Very well stated. I have one other question for you

541
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: that you can speak to better than either one of

542
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: us and our listeners, because one of the comebacks I

543
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: always hear is at a time like this is man,

544
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: these guys, why would they mess with this kind of money?

545
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: With the risk they're making. They're making tens of millions

546
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: of dollars. Some of them got, you know, one hundred

547
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: million they've made over the course of their career. And

548
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: I've said, I think that's irrelevant. I don't think that's

549
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: usually a really effective defense. Whatever, like you said, it is,

550
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: it's the thrill, it's I want to help out a

551
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: couple of buddies. But when it comes to money, Sean,

552
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: my feeling is, it doesn't matter how much you make.

553
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: In the case of many individuals, it doesn't inoculate them

554
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: from the idea of I can make a little bit

555
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: more money here, and I can get this this way.

556
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and do it. Can you speak

557
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: to that being in the sand, you know, the where

558
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money.

559
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, adrenaline junkies too, Dan, Yeah, you're one hundred percent correct. Listen, Now,

560
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: there are some who, like we all have done. You're

561
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: sitting at a blackjack table and you draw lost one hundred,

562
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: smaller than that, but legally, sitting at a blackjack table,

563
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: you lost a hundred, and you say, well, I'm gonna

564
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: chase it, and so you bet double, and you double

565
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: down and you split and all of a sudden you're

566
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: three hundred down. So you chase it and then Dan

567
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: you leaves Vegas. It's one thousand dollars loss. It's like,

568
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: what a bummer. But it's already taken now, So there

569
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: is some of that desperation. People just don't have it,

570
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: trying to get a quick fix. But in this case,

571
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: with this kind of money, that changes hands, and the

572
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: people were discussing and making one hundred and fifty, you're

573
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: making five, ten, twenty million a year. Now there are

574
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: some What happens is people that have earned money a

575
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: lot of it, we automatically assumed that they were smart

576
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: with it. There's more that go with it than we're

577
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: smart with it. I'm just telling you the ones I've

578
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: been to make ten, they say, well, what they spent it?

579
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: And they say they have a federal taxes right or

580
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: if they're a ten ninety nine, or have you right?

581
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 3: Or it's not taken out by their team. Point is

582
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: is some don't have it, but you are exactly. Let's

583
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: say they do. You say, how why would they do?

584
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: It's adrenaline, man, it's eagle. Why does a guy with

585
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: a ten wife cheat on her? And then Why does

586
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: he cheat on somebody? In idiots A five? Or why

587
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: does a woman cheat on a man? Is it because

588
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: they're in love with the other? Well, they love the chase,

589
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: they love the adrenaline. Why do junkies that rise fast

590
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: cars get fifteen tickets and are willing to get a sixteen?

591
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, I know that been certain, I'm an

592
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: adrenaline junkie, not that way, but in certain things like

593
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: we love the challenge, the chase, steed and we have

594
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: people I say, well, when's enough enough? You know, guys

595
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: are going through contract negotiats. What's the difference in five

596
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: hundred million and fifty millions fifty or five hundred in

597
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: five hundred fifty mans fifty million. That's the way a

598
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: lot of athletes are. What made them great is there

599
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: is there selfish their attention that you know, grinding it

600
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: out more and more and more, getting better, training harder.

601
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: The same thing that uplifts them sometimes buries them. Ego pride.

602
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: It's not enough. I want more of my buddies are involved.

603
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 3: Who I won four in a row. I'm a better

604
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: gambler than the guy who says he's a gambler. But

605
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: it is the adrenaline, and I'm with you a lot

606
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: of the time it has zero to do with what's in

607
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: their bank account and everything to do with the adrenaline

608
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: or the chase of the win. And when they get

609
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: to the wind, they're looking for the next big one.

610
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: Drug dealers do it. You say how, stories tell how?

611
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: Why would this? I say it today? Why risk this? Well,

612
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: there's the answer. It's the adrenaline and the feeling of

613
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: I gotta find the euphoria, I gotta find some just

614
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: thinking your drugs. Whatever that addiction adrenaline is, it's not

615
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: a good thing. And sometimes the ego and pride to say,

616
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: you know what, what are you gonna do? Do you

617
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: know who I am? I've heard that hits two and

618
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: you know what, I can tell you what they're going

619
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: to do. They got blue and yellow riding on their jackets.

620
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: And you're dealing with families that wear suits and ties,

621
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: and they have dry cleaning businesses, and when you go

622
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: into their business, you ain't ever getting out. That's the problem.

623
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: So this is huge and it only gets bigger. So

624
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of layers to that, but

625
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: I am with you one hundred percent. I don't think

626
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 3: it matters about the ATM machine and what they can

627
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: get out of it. I think it comes down to

628
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: how they want it, because some of them may stend

629
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: it on their way out the door. Anyway. They love

630
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: the rush, and that may be the case here as well.

631
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some football. How beatable are

632
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: the La Chargers?

633
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Very It's so this league is whacked out. A month ago,

634
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: the charge the Chiefs were left for dead. Now the

635
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: Chiefs are the best team in the NFL according to

636
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: Vinionan Vegas best odds to win it, and they are

637
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: playing like it in the AFC. A month ago, three

638
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: weeks ago, Man, what's wrong with Jalen Hurts? Well, your

639
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: Vikings found out, come out in the second half, get

640
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: a big play when you're coming out. Five field goals

641
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: by the Vikings later and a couple turnovers and missed opportunities.

642
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts is now a big time player. The Chargers

643
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: were running it healthy, offensive line, Man Herbert's playing at

644
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: a high level. They're gonna challenge the Chiefs well, backfield

645
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: banged up, offensive line banged up. What are they going

646
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: to do with the deadline? Herbert's getting questioned, is he

647
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: just a numbers guy? Why can't they win the big one?

648
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: And now they're reel and so, yeah, they're beatable. They

649
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: will get after you, and they're well coached, both coordinators

650
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: and their head coach. They are well coached. But you

651
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: can beat them, especially if you get at them early

652
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: and make them chase and they get into what they

653
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: don't want to get into, and that's a passing fante.

654
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: Hard Bud does not want to do it. And right now,

655
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: the chance to win offensively is they have to. They're

656
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: they're not pushing the move in the line of scrimmage enough.

657
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: So they are and with some players on your team,

658
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: notwithstanding a couple of coverage breakdowns last week, but they know.

659
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 3: They didn't run the ball very well in Philadelphia didn't.

660
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: So they're beatable. And you just got a guard on

661
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: the road against talk because they're primed for a big game.

662
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: I know they hung in there and Herbert had a

663
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: big game. It could be one of those if you

664
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: don't where both quarterbacks are thrown at forty five times

665
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: and you in the passing fancy the whole way, which

666
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: would probably favor the Vikings because of now Herbert may

667
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: be a little bit better player, and I'm a bit

668
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: successed as he is right now. But I think the

669
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: Vikings overall may be a better team right now, although

670
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: both they're reeling in certain areas, and yes, the Chargers

671
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: are beatable. I think they're better than their record. But

672
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: what you are who they say you are, and you

673
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: are what your record tells you. It's a team that's

674
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: reeling that's going to have to do something with the

675
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: trade deadline as well if they want to keep up.

676
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: And they're just as capable of winning four or five

677
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: in a row because the quarterback's dynamic. But a lot

678
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: of their yards, I mean, a lot of the plays

679
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: are coming on on when it's some garbage time. They're

680
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: catching up. They're not playing the type of football we

681
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: thought they were who they were at the beginning of

682
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: the year.

683
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: So did Carson Wentz play erratically enough last week that

684
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: it's automatic almost no matter what how he plays this

685
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: evening in Los Angeles, that when the Vikings come back

686
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: off of a semi buy, you know, a ten day

687
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: layoff to go to Detroit to take on the Lions

688
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: in early November, that JJ McCarthy should be and must

689
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback.

690
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: I think it's a no brainer simply because of the commitment.

691
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: We have talked about Dan about when he was We

692
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: cleaned out house for him to start. When he's healthy,

693
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: he's playing. Do I think that if Winz goes for

694
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: four hundred and three touchdowns and they win by the

695
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: time ten days rolls around, and if McCarthy's one hundred

696
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: percent healthy for they running out there. I do. Now.

697
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: Whether we think it's right or not, it's another thing,

698
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: but I do think they will. And you and I

699
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: kind of a brief exchange on Twitter during the last game.

700
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: He does enough and like in times that he got

701
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: to come back, he's making enough growth to say, to

702
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: tease you, he is. I mean, look at the numbers.

703
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: He keeps making enough complete and just enough to keep

704
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: you going, but then crushes you with the pit and

705
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: then he'll play in London or wherever and then throw

706
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: the great touch of actually damn, and then he'll put

707
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: you say he looks good, and he'll hang in and

708
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: bring you from behind, and then he'll miss a checkdown

709
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: that has twenty yards a running room. Then they'll hold

710
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: the ball in the red zone and take a sack.

711
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: Seven eight, yard loss and put you in a longer

712
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: one instead of a shorter where you can run it

713
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: instead of have to throw it, and then you got

714
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: to settle for a five field goals. So I think

715
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: he's done enough to warrant another start. If McCarthy's not healthy,

716
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 3: and I told you he you know, he looks more

717
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: confident as a player, but he lapses into those The

718
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: reason why you can't make a full commitment to him.

719
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: Aw you just when you say, okay, man, is he

720
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: making it tough on the Viking staff, you'll see a pick.

721
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: Is he making it tough? Dude? You can't hold the ball,

722
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: check it down. So doing enough to tease you, but

723
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: not doing enough to say when McCarthy's healthy, considering the

724
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: commitment they made to him, they're not going to put

725
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 3: him back in. My guess is, no matter what happens tonight,

726
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 3: if JJ's is close to one hundred percent as he can,

727
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: you'll see him starting because they will treat the extra

728
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 3: reps like a bye week.

729
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: Judging injuries is a really dangerous business, and it's a

730
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: road I try not to go down because no two

731
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: injuries are exactly alike. There is a part of me,

732
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: though that is curious about this with this is I

733
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: think day thirty eight since he got hurt, and they're

734
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: still saying, you know, well, I guess I guess. Koc said, well,

735
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: if we had a full week, maybe there's a different

736
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: starter on Sunday. But they're still saying that he's not

737
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: full They're still saying that he's at best the emergency starter, right,

738
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: he's not even the backup for this game. And I

739
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: sometimes I do wonder whether they're they're being too Is

740
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: there such a thing as being too cautious with him?

741
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: Or is a guy used to play? Are you are

742
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: your eyebrows raised at all? Or do you say no?

743
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: On high ankle sprains, man, there's there's no rule. There's

744
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: a lot of Sometimes it takes this much time or more.

745
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: I've played with one in college. We were getting right.

746
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 3: We had a week and I needed two weeks as

747
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: a high ankle spring against Stanford tainted. That did it all,

748
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: put it nice, it all, and it was painful, but

749
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: it was And it's different these days, and the money

750
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: and the rest of it. And as a guy, and

751
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: I was the starter at SC so I was that

752
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: guy at that time. But it's different and I was.

753
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 3: He was hurt and it was a pretty severe enough

754
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: to miss a lot of practice, but I needed the

755
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: two weeks. But I think each got pain threshold has

756
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: a lot to do with it, and I don't need

757
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: to put it on baseball. But I remember last year

758
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker Dan He they said, you know, he foiled

759
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: the ball off the shin and it was bone Bruce

760
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: for seventy days heard it was a bone bruise, and

761
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 3: I kept saying, that ain't a bone, Brews. That's trying

762
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, with about about seventy days in

763
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: he ended up here sixty days. Oh yes, it's a fracture. Well,

764
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: I do think a lot of that's do with the

765
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: guy whoever that is. With JJ's case, it is a

766
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 3: test trained, a pain threshold part of it. And if

767
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: he if he was going to be ready in two days,

768
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: like you said, if we had a you know, they

769
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: played on Sunday, then I mean and and just two

770
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: days is the day was distinct emergency and can't play

771
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 3: or can play. And so I don't know that answer

772
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: because I'm not there, but I do know that high

773
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: ankle springs kind of like planet fasci itis. Although at

774
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: a different part of the lower half, you are set

775
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: in flint. Come on a heal Bruce Planner fasciatison two

776
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: months later, Guy's not playing. And I've had that too,

777
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: and it's painful. So I think it's pain threshold. And

778
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: I also think that if it put it is, if

779
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz was urinating down his leg, I think he played.

780
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: And it comes down to because you've got to play

781
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: hurt in this league. You just don't play injured. And

782
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: I get this hunch he's hurt, but they just want

783
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: to make sure he's closer to undercent because there's a

784
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: second year guy that's basically playing as a rookie. You're

785
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: still swimming in the mental side of it anyway, so

786
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: they want to get it close. But it can be

787
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: it can fluctuate. It's not the same for everybody, and

788
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: it can fluctuate a month or two months, but it

789
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: comes a point in time. If it's just pain threshold,

790
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: sometimes you got to shoot it, suck it up and

791
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: go play. So I would imagine if it was a

792
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 3: Super Bowl and they wanted him a playoff game or

793
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: single elimination, he would be playing tonight.

794
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm a broken record on this issue. But but I'm

795
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: stubborn about it. All the indications are that the Chargers

796
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: are a team that you can run on all of

797
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: the discussion and the pronouncements in the offseason, again from koc,

798
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: I've got to call a different game, in part because

799
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: I've got a different quarterback, in part because we have

800
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: to we have to be more, we have to be

801
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: less finessey than we've been in the past. Vikings are

802
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: still on average running the ball less this year than

803
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: last year, when I still didn't think they ran it

804
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: at key times. They had what seven red zone plays

805
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: in which every time a pass was either called or

806
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: the QB changed it to a pass at the line

807
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I don't get it. Man. If you've got

808
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: if you're compromised, especially at the quarterback position by playing

809
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: a backup, or you got a kid who's just trying

810
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: to learn on the job, is it your job as

811
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: a head coach to attempt to help him out. And

812
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: the Vikings have know what jones out, They have a

813
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: runner who I think is willing to accept the responsibility

814
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: and do something with it. I don't.

815
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: I just don't get it, all right, And you're talking

816
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: to a quarterback about this, and I am on your

817
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: page and in your church. Few one hundred percent I

818
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: don't get it at any time. I'm gonna once again

819
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: I will. I would like you say, I'm dying on that.

820
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: He'll end this one. Go check due, Just do some

821
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: research over the last three extend you anybody's listening, and

822
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: go check in in every game you watch, and I'll

823
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: bet you eighty percent of them. I know I do

824
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: it every week. I didn't do it this last week,

825
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: but eighty I would usually do it before the next

826
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: Sunday game. I'll bet you did eighty percent of the

827
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: teams that won last week. Fans a few ram the

828
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: ball at tenth wise, not yards at tenth wise, more

829
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 3: than the team that may be. And they'll say, well

830
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: that just goes with winning. No, No, it actually doesn't.

831
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: People use the pass as an extension of screen, of

832
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: the run game, the short passing game of the screen.

833
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: Here's what I'm gonna tell you. And I know your

834
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: affinity and mine. I love Kevin, I do, but you

835
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: can't keep talking it and saying we got to do

836
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: to call it different. You either got it in your

837
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: DNA or you don't Kyle Shanahan's running it no matter

838
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: what exactly, no matter what he's running it. Denny would

839
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: tell Brent, give me your best run. We're running it

840
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 3: regards now, you're down four touchdowns in one of those days. Four,

841
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: Your running backs are hurt, your tight ends, your running back.

842
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: I get it. But if you want to protect him

843
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: and not and teams have throw forty five fifty times,

844
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: you're not winning most of the time. Number twelve in

845
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: New England, they'll play around the league for every team.

846
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: He's just not that fortunate. You've got to be able

847
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: to run it. And it's not just running. You've got

848
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: to commit to it. And you can't get out of

849
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: it with two three and outs because your offense was embarrassed.

850
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: So it does nothing but help the guys late in

851
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: the game. So if you want to stop being finesse,

852
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: you got to call non finesse place. You got to

853
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Speaker 3: throw it, you got when essy, but you got to

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Speaker 3: beat him down, and you've got to impose your will.

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Speaker 3: Short of running against a ten man box, then it's

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Speaker 3: man coverage or one on one. Go do your thing.

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Speaker 3: But the truth is, I'm with you. I look at

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Speaker 3: it and I say what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: You can spread it out and still run it, but

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Speaker 3: what are we doing here? And you can't keep telling

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Speaker 3: us what you want to do When you're the guy

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Speaker 3: that's got to play sheet in your hand, it's DNA

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure some defensive offensive coordinators or play

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Speaker 3: callers at times can get out of their own way

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Speaker 3: because like most we all lean on the crutch. A

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Speaker 3: quarterback leans on his wide receiver crutch. Are running back

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Speaker 3: leans on a decide he likes. You went to a

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Speaker 3: play caller. If he's right handed, we got a good

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Speaker 3: right guard right versa. We're gonna run there most of

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Speaker 3: the time. And you know what a play caller does

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Speaker 3: when it gets to that cut of time, does what

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Speaker 3: he feels best with and he loves to throw it.

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Speaker 3: I don't care if it's Macarthy or Witch. You got

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Speaker 3: a backup quarterback that you need to protect, and you

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Speaker 3: got a young guy you need to protect. What are

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Speaker 3: we missing here? You gotta run it. You got to

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Speaker 3: commit to it, and if you don't against the Chargers,

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Speaker 3: you're making a mistake because that's where you're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to live, and you're gonna have to win on first down,

881
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: or they will tee it up and get after you,

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Speaker 3: and they will come at you with blitzeres and pressures.

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Speaker 1: I assure you, uh, just so you can be sure

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Speaker 1: of what I think. You already know that you're not

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Speaker 1: wasting your time with us. I want to read you too.

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Speaker 1: Texts that I receive just within the last five minutes.

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Speaker 1: The first is Dan Sean continues to deliver. Each and

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Speaker 1: every appearance brings a wealth of knowledge and depth. Keep

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Speaker 1: these conversations rolling. And then this is from a regular

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Speaker 1: guest on the program who happened to text me, can

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Speaker 1: you have Sean on every day? He is so on points?

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Speaker 1: So you got the fans here, man, they're still behind you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you this. You know how much

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Speaker 3: I love you and guard ze even if they hated me.

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Speaker 3: I'm forcing my way off with you because I love

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Speaker 3: coming on with you. Secondly, I wouldn't want him money

897
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Speaker 3: to water too much. But you know what, I can

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Speaker 3: move to Minneapolis if you're looking for it. I'm giving

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Speaker 3: you a hard time. Tell me if there's room to see.

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Speaker 3: But the truth is you're much better without me. But

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Speaker 3: I love having you on. I mean I love being

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Speaker 3: all with you. And I'm not trust me. As long

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Speaker 3: as you'll have me, I'll be there. But I'm honored

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure grateful that those great fans in Minnesota

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Speaker 3: feel that way. It makes me happy and I don't

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Speaker 3: take it for granted one bit.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the ball tonight, Congratulate on the reaching that grandfather's status,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk next week. Thanks man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not going to say one word, and

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Speaker 3: I'll bet you the Vikings win tonight because that'd be

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Speaker 3: probably poor timing.

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Speaker 1: Right. That is the one and only Sean Salisbury. We

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Speaker 1: got to move kind of fast because it's predictions with

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Speaker 1: Carl Gerbschmidt coming up, Peter Bursich from the belly of

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers Beast. He will join at fourth