WEBVTT - 10-22-25 Sloan with Seth Walsh 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.800 You want to be an American. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.400 He's got flown back on seven hundred doty wall. W 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:08.640 could just jump right back into it. Man over the fence, 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.200 over the wall, as they say. City council members are 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.200 pretty tight lipped about taking sides regarding the city manager's 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.960 decision AKA after Perevol's decision a place Chief teris a 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.760 Thigi on leave. We heard from Ken Kober immediately following 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.520 yesterday's press conference with Steve im at the Finny Law 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.520 fram who is representing Chief Thiji in this whole situation. 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:31.960 He came on my show. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.000 Live on seven hundred WW and his immediate reaction to 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.840 this thing was like, listen, there's many in the rank 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.280 and file weren't necessarily Teresa Thigi fans, but guess what 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.320 we all are now because what happened to her, that 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.600 she's being railroaded out of her job and being called 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.760 this is nothing but politics and she's a political scapegoat, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.839 and finding out on her thirty fifth anniversary of or 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.440 hire as a new cop and now the chief of Cincinnati, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.080 the first woman to do that long history of service 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.440 for her family as an insult to the badge, insult 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.480 to the whole process. And what's interesting about this after 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.520 the followed very very few and that's, by the way, 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.600 I may say, not serving all of them, but the 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.440 only one to voice an opinion on counsel and this 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.679 whole thing joins me now and that is Seth Wall Seth, 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:21.920 good morning. I'm doing well, but I'm also probably doing 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.880 better than you right now. I can't imagine what you 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.479 woke up this morning and went in the seconds where 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.119 the cobwebs are there, they go away. The first thing 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.320 you probably thought of is is this dumpster fire? 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.600 It's been It's been quite a week of chaos and 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:40.160 hectic and yeah, it's been. It's been a week, Scott, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.840 and not the best week that we've had in Entity council. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:44.560 Yeah, is Terry Thiji. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:49.960 The problem, you know, I think the problem with that question, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.200 Scott is how do we know that they're not telling 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.800 you anything, They're not telling me anything. None of us 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.720 know why this decision is being made. So issues the 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.080 I'm waiting for the evidence to be shown to us. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.680 But in people say, wow, this is you know, it's 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.520 share along because the way it works is the chiefs, 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.560 the chiefs administrators, they all report to city manager, share along. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.280 So this is Cheryl's But again she's just the executioner, right, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.760 This is the mayor. This is af tad pirival. This 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.360 isn't Sheryl Long. She is a subordinate and she's doing 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.800 what she I don't know what she is commanded to do, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:25.880 I suppose. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.359 Or I don't know. Is Cheryl Loong run the whole thing? 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.480 Either way, it's a horrible look for the mayor, especially 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.440 with an election coming up in a couple of weeks. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.280 Well, I think it's a bad look for the city 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.720 as a whole. You know, from everything that I've been told, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.480 which is pretty much what you see in the media. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.200 I mean, this seems to be a decision made by 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.720 Cheryl Long, and I think that leads to a lot 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.320 of questions about the fact that the police chief, at 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.800 the end of the day, is a very important decision, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.280 especially when we are trying to get crime under control 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.280 in our downtown or over the Rhine and in these 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.440 neighborhoods were seeing spice and crime in it is a 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.880 very very important decision. And to change the police chief, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.880 no matter when you're changing the police chief, but to 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.040 change it in such a chaotic, hectic fashion with no 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.880 clear plan, no clear evidence about why the decision is 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.760 being made. That is a massive problem, and it is 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.040 I think it's I think Ken was spot on. I imagine 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.080 this is terrible from hero out for the police Department 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:23.799 because you know, even if it's not a situation of escapegoat, 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.680 it sure feels that way. And it's a situation that 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.079 we need to be providing stability right now. We need 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.880 to be showing leadership and we need to put our 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.360 plan for because the most important thing is public safety, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.040 not personality conflicts. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.040 Seth Walshaw immediately following the press conference yesterday with Steve Vam, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.000 who did a great job. By the way, I spoke 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.600 to Ken Cobra, President the FOLP, live on the show, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.240 and that was one of the questions I had to him. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.240 It's like, we just spent what kramerting four and a 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.960 half million dollars with Kramerting, Jefferies, yourself and others voting 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.920 to fund the police department. We got to get more 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.120 bodies and we got to recruit. We're down one hundred 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.640 and thirty one hundred fifty officers. Can't have that. We 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.680 got have lateral recruiting class. We're going to pull officers 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.440 from other jurisdictions and make an appeal to them with 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:11.000 money and the job at hand, to come to Cincinnati 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.360 and work here and work for a district and make 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.560 a difference in crime, make some money yourself and all that. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:17.240 That's all well and good. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.560 Four and a half million dollars does in this whole 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.760 move undermine that, Because if I'm a officer, if I'm 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.440 a beat cup, and let's say I don't know I 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.920 work in a jurisdiction, I'm maybe considering making the move 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.680 over to Cincinnati go a whole ont of second, Look 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.440 how dirty they just did the chief and that's a chief. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.480 I'm nobody. What chance do I have? So did we 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.280 just shoot ourselves in the foot? We opened the coffers 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:40.880 up to four and a half mil. But at the 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.760 same time send the message out that we don't know 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.680 what we're doing over here, and we'll make you escapegoat 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:47.480 politically if. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:47.760 We have to. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.440 Well, that's where my concern comes in in terms of 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.760 there's a lot of concern I have here. But yes, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.080 when we're talking about our law enforcement members, not only 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.719 the morale of existing police rale of those we're trying 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.760 to hire but is that plan even heading forward the 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.080 five and a half five point four million dollars that 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.640 we just allocated, Like, what is the plan for that now? 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.679 Because it was moving forward under the last police chief 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.000 who's currently on administrative Leaf's not That's what That's. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.600 My frustration where I'm most. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.320 Upset right now is we are trying to get crime 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.800 under control in the city of Cincinnati. It is not 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.720 clear the stability in the past for that, because nothing's 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.200 been laid out to us other than this hectic process 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.520 that we've all watched play out in the media. We've 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.560 named an interim police chief who by all accounts is 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.440 an amazing individual and going to be a great leader 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.480 for the department. But it's not clear what the transition 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.279 is and what's carrying on and what the problem even 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.159 was in the first place that led to this change. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.520 So how can you and I even confidently say we 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.760 know what's happening next? You know, is all the plans 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.240 that we've done for the last two months drown out 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.800 the window and we're starting fresh or are we continuing it? 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.240 And if we're continuing it, how are we going to 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.520 provide the confidence people that that's what's happening. I don't know, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.000 and that is not an acceptable answer for somebody who's 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.320 city on city council ne' to give you, And it's 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.800 not an acceptable answer for the city manager to give 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:06.839 us that as the solution right now is that we 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.240 don't have enough information to even answer that question. So yeah, 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.640 I'm very worried about that. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.719 Yeah, And as I understand, I don't know any but 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.480 I understand from the rank and file many of they 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:14.960 respect him. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:15.480 They love the guy. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.599 I mean, he's the guy that wrote that citation a 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.599 month later or charged anyway, the white guy in the brawl, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.719 because that was at the behest of the rabid reverence 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.200 out there who demanded a flash demanded of whitey be 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.640 charged because he got black guys who were an assault 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.120 and no officer on the scene would write it because 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.200 they didn't think a crime was committed. But he took 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.400 essentially the political bullet and said, okay, final, I'll be 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.000 the one that puts my name to this, this thing 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.159 that got that ball rolling. And that was all the 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.039 behest of the mayor's office. So that's greasy and dirty 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.039 as well, because that is a potential civil rights violation, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.600 which you know again, when you're fighting to keep your 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.039 nose above water, like after that perivalis and keep his 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.960 political career going, that seems like a pretty big misstep 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.680 to me. You open yourself up for a civil rights case. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.279 But I don't know, does they only care about this 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.799 election coming up and damn the torpedoes. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:04.960 We'll see what happens after that. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.239 You know, again, I don't know. From everything I've heard, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.320 it doesn't sound like this was the mayor's decision, which 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.560 I know is you know, we think the way the 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.640 city government works, that this would be the marrior's decision. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.440 This is legally and technically the city manager's decision. And 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.960 everything that I've heard behind the scenes, which again it's 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.120 not much more than what you've heard, does not sound 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.040 like the mayor's the one who made the decision on this. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.520 It sounds like the mayor may have been aware of 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.920 conversations transpiring behind the scenes which led to comments last week. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.640 But beyond that, I don't have anything to indicate that 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.200 Aftab was the one who made the decision. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.640 Ultimately, But there was a political component to this, There's 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:47.240 no question about it. This wasn't a criminal charge. This 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:48.520 was a political charge. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.720 Yeah, I mean, I think that that's one of the 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.000 big questions. Why does this decision made? Right now? 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.240 What was the urgency that required. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.720 This decision to be made so quickly that the police 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.360 chief had to fly back from college out of And 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.920 I've asked that question. I don't have a satisfactory answer 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:07.640 to it, right, And it seems like there was again, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.960 I mean, it's chaos, and it seems like chaos reigned 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.240 for thirty six hours at city Hall and bad decisions 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.640 were made and that's not okay and that's not acceptable, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.960 and that's the big problem here. Some people need to 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.720 come out and say what actually happened and led to 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.960 this and why this decision was made. You know, this 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.000 is a really big decision, and the absence of information 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.040 leads to rampant speculation that is not good for anybody. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.680 And I don't understand why people are so gun try 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.440 to come out and just say what happened and what 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.400 led to this decision. It's not like we don't know 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:36.000 what's happening. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:36.439 You know. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.319 Last Wednesday, I think they put out like three press 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.480 releases saying that she was still employed, which is you know, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.160 you know that Scott, you're in the media is like, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.040 that's the kiss of death. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't understand you. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.719 We're good at reducing force around here, so we know this. Well, 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.080 I don't heard when somebody get called back from a 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.000 conference in Denver and going, hey, you got to get 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.839 back here right away because you've got a we've got 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.640 a violence emergence. Well, you know, the emergency would happen 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.360 immediately found what happened to Fountain Square? 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:02.960 This was, this was after that. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.040 There's nothing newsworthy going on, and just out of the blue, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:07.559 she's in Denver and now we got to pull the 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.960 plug on or doesn't make any sense. And I brought 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.160 up A. Henny's name earlier and he seems like a 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.840 great guy, be a great chief. But I guess the 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.200 question is, wasn't that Terry. We don't know why Terry 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.640 Thigi got fired in the first place. There's no reason 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.719 around this. And technically she's not fired, she's still on 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.560 administrative leave. So there's that level of confusion. What are 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.560 you getting with Henny that you didn't have with Thigi? 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:29.479 Nobody knows. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.400 Right, And you know, again, a hard number one priority 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.080 has to be public safety, So you know, I I 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.320 think Henny is going to do a great job. But 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.000 at the end of the day, you know, things I've 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.720 heard from police officers are are we being held accountable 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.960 for the fact that crime is happening? And I can't 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.640 imagine what the morale is and I have it. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:49.280 It's a very. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:50.920 Difficult question for me to answer right now because I 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.480 don't know what we're holding her accountable for. There may 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.079 verver will be a good reason, Scott that you and 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.280 I would agree with and say, yeah, that's the right decision, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:09:59.920 and you know it had to happen urgently, but we 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.480 absent of information, we don't know that, and so the 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:08.520 perception is chaos, and uh, you know, we're reacting to crime, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.040 but we're reacting now to it as opposed to over 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.960 the summer, where you and I've had multiple conversations about. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.120 It, and this is just it doesn't make sense. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.160 And I think the clarity is so badly needed because 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.760 it is going to have a negative impact on our police, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.800 can have a negative impact on our citizen. We'rele it's 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.200 going to have a negative impact on what we are 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.160 trying to do as a city. And right now, I 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.800 don't think that we need that forget the election, think 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.640 about liscinating and what we are trying to achieve. And 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.360 know I talk about economic development all the time. You know, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.400 right now is when we need the inspiring confidence that 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.080 we've got this under control, because we want people coming downtown, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.800 we want people coming to over the run. This is 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.120 not a good time to indicate in any way that 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.000 we you know, we're not. We don't have a plan 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.880 for how we're handling public safety. And again there may 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.559 very well be a plan. They come out and tell 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.640 it to us, show us what the plan is. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.560 I don't have a censor as a plan, Council Member 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.000 sas Walsh, I really really don't. Here's the issue. Though 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.320 you're out now, can't painting as all members of council are. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.520 When election coming up in just a few short days. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.440 You're almost down to the wire right now. When you 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.439 talk to your constituents, When you talk to the good 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.560 people of Cincinnati, not only the citizens, but also the 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.320 people who operate and own businesses in in downtown, just 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.319 to maybe travelers too as well, who the hell knows 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.120 you make contact with. What is the consensus among the 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:19.960 constituents in this. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.640 I mean, I'm hearing I imagine this is what you're 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.120 hearing and what people are feeling who are listening to this. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:32.679 You know, opinions about the police chief varied, but opinions 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.200 about how this has been handled are pretty nified, which 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.520 is that she didn't deserve to be treated this way 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.800 so publicly. It's not clear why it happened, and so 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.120 the opinions on the entire process is that it is 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.640 it's been atrocious, and that nobody deserves to go through this, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.560 least of all for not a clear reason about why. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.120 And people are pretty offended by it, and I think 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.440 rightfully so, and I think again, absence of information, it 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:58.000 looks bad. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.199 It looks really bad. O. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.920 The FOP issued to voted no confidence on the mayor's 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.160 conduct here in an indirect way that with Thigi and 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.040 now they're standing behind Fiji going listen. There are numbers 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.360 who had issues with Terry and how she ran the shop, 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.120 as you will with any boss for that matter. But 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.880 at the same time everyone is coalesced. I guess on 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.760 the thin blue line to say this is outrageous and 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.120 there's no plan going. The way I look at it politically, 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.400 Seth is what's the strategy here? I mean, you have 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.320 turmoil with an interim chief which implies you have no 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.320 control over crime and that it's all Terry Thigi's fault. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.640 You mean, Kenny the chief, it's a fresh start. Then 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.920 you get to the election. Were the repercussions here? Because 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.240 I'll be honest with you, even with this nonsense and 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.640 this mess that's going on right now in this s 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.240 show and the way this has been handled, I don't 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.120 know how Aftab loses the election. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:46.040 I really don't. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.840 I mean he can, I suppose, but I don't see 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.880 this huge ground swell for Corey Bowman, who's a political 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.480 no name upcomer, and Jad Vans's brother dad has baggage. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:55.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.480 Well, I mean I saw a great faith and a 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.040 mayor of the Cincinnati and I do think that his 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.440 election results will be very positive for him. But I 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.480 think it's important to remind you, know, your listeners, that 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.520 Cincinnati is three branches of government. You know, it's the mayor, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.760 it's a city council and the administration, and all three 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.680 are are theoretically equal. So you know, the mayor, I 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.480 think you're right, he's going to get re elected city Council. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.839 Obviously that the vote there is important for people to 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.880 show up and make their voices heard, but. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.640 Also equally so you know, even if you know. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.360 All AID incumbents are re elected and you know, we 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.200 get the ninth member Bryan James elected on the Democratic 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.439 slate there, people may feel frustrated, but the administration is 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.280 still equal on here that you know, you should be 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.280 expecting us to be asking these hard questions of you 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.959 should be asking us and expecting us to be challenging 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.480 them to come up with the answers and tell us 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.040 what is going on in a public setting, not behind 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.040 closed doors, not in a way that you know it's 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.800 not clear, because this is too big and too important 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.680 of an issue not to have clear answers off for 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.680 the public. And I think that's really important people understand, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.000 you know, the mayor and city council or your voice 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.440 is near representatives. But the way our government is set up, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.320 as the administration's in charge, and if we are not 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.040 getting clear answers, we need to be pushing them to 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.120 get the clear answers. And we can't just rest on 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.600 our laurels and say like, well that's their decision. We 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.840 need answers. We need to hold them agount and we do. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:14.640 This is one way to do it. Let's make it 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:15.640 clear where we're frustrated. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.960 All right, voters most likely will choose aftab over Corey Bowman. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.560 But at the same time, does this have an effect 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.560 down ticket? Should you be concerned as well? Should the 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.440 odd members of council because so many people that are 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.240 running because of the way this was mishandled. We've got 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.480 so many hats in the ring right now. Anything can happen. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.360 You say you support AFT to add pereval, but what 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:36.480 if he costs you your seat? 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.720 Like anybody running for any office should be scared when 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.200 they have to go out there. They have to earn 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.800 votes every single day. It's one of the reasons that 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.200 I'm trying to be vocal about this. I think that 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.880 people's for people need to feel their frustration is being 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.920 vocalized at a relucts of leadership capacity. I think anybody 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.920 running right now should be worried and should be willing 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.360 to take a stance on this issue, and they have 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.360 their opinions known on this issue because this is an 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.600 important issue that determines kind of how the next administration 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.560 operates in terms of you know, whoever gets elected this cycle, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.000 and if you're not willing to speak out, if you're 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.280 not willing to challenge and the hold people accountable. You know, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.040 that's the role of a city council member. Is the 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.520 whole the administration accountable to ask the hard questions. It's 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.040 how you're not to become I would say we're friends now, Scott, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.680 but you know, we started having these conversations about a 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.520 bridge fire where they thought that three years was acceptable 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.760 to take to get it fixed, and I've said, no way, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.080 and we got done one hundred days. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:32.840 That's why we start talking about. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.040 Snowplouds because we didn't plow six hundred streets and we 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.680 had to hold people accountable and ultimately the DPS director 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.640 retired because of that, and we got somebody in there 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.280 that is going to get our streets cloud this year. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.360 And that is the job of the city council member. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.240 And if you're not willing to speak out the whole 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.120 the administration accountable, I don't know why you should be 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:50.840 elected to it. And I think that you guys should 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.720 be holding people accountable and challenging us to speak out 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.960 and say these things. We can all be the same party, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.240 we can all be friends, but our job is accountability. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.080 I can't say all Seth Walsh. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.920 I can't say all members of council besides yourself, but 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.440 most members of council and maybe y'all. No one wants 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.920 to come out publicly and chastise the mayor and call 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.480 them out as you just did on the show. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:13.840 Why is that? Why do you think that is that 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.360 you're the only one willing to do it. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.280 I don't know, Scott, and I will prefer to you 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.440 to figure that one out. For me. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.120 I don't have enough money to go to therapy to 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:24.040 get that answer. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.640 Well, I mean it's not I don't understand is It 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.920 seems to me maybe we're just trying to protect the brand. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.280 Like if I'm a Democrat, I'm not allowed to criticize 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.920 another Democrat. You just did that, and I think you're 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.400 going to be fine. It's okay. We need to get 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.800 back to it. Whether it's same with the Republicans. Republicans, Hey, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.000 you can't criticize Trump. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.240 Yeah you can. You're supposed to. That's how the system 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:44.800 works up. 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.600 I mean, I got I get in fights when I 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.720 was younger, all the time, with my two brothers. I 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.520 still love them. I take a bullet for either one 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.440 or both of them. But you're allowed to disagree with people. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.440 Yeah, I agree, and I try to lead my example, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.159 and I hope you know it is scary sometimes to 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:05.679 step on the ledge and take the phone call with you, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.560 Scott and say I don't know what his opening question 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:08.520 is going to be today. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.000 But we'll find out. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:10.600 That's two of us. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.000 Yeah, right, so we're always surprised. It's always a fun time. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.679 But yeah, I hope others get the confidence and the 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.520 courage to be speak out too, because I think on 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.679