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Speaker 2: Got flown on seven hundred w DOW. So much going on,

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Speaker 1: We also have the war in Iran right now.

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Speaker 2: The very latest three F fifteen shot down by Kuwaiti

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Speaker 2: Hegseth Sec Defense was just talking earlier this morning.

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Speaker 1: You heard their news.

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Speaker 2: US and Israeli forces launch massive strikes in Iran Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: It's Operation Epic Fury, and here we go again. One

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Speaker 2: of the guys coming out in support of this, surprisingly

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Speaker 2: as a Democrat, is Representative Greg Lansman on the show. Congressman, welcome,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. Too much news and too much bad

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Speaker 2: news at that. I mean, you know, I was young

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Speaker 2: we are now in twenty twenty six and Iran Supreme

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Speaker 2: top officials as well. And so we have regime change

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Speaker 2: underway and Iran, which generally were bad at you said

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Speaker 2: you believe for decades the region would have peace without regime.

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Speaker 2: This regime toppling the past administrations, including once you supported

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Speaker 2: what change and why is now the right moment?

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Speaker 3: Greg Landsman, I've always thought that you had to stand

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Speaker 3: You know, Kamania is responsible for more death than been

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Speaker 3: and we want peace, we want in Middle East. And

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Speaker 3: you're seeing the golf other golf states jumping in. They

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Speaker 2: Well, they're the largest sponsor of state terrorism and so

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Speaker 2: if you cut that hat off, that's the idea here.

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Speaker 2: They're in chaos right now. But you called this, I

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Speaker 2: think you said this is the best outcome for national security.

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Speaker 2: But the FBI is now elevated terrorism alert for US

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Speaker 2: and Iranian proxies are targeting American bases across the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: So how's that a good outcome for security.

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Speaker 3: Because it will hopefully lead to peace in the region.

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Speaker 3: And ultimately, when this dies down, you know, you won't

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Speaker 3: And we've seen what they've done in Lebanon with Hesbela

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Speaker 2: Congressman Greg Landsman from Washington this morning on seven hundred

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Speaker 3: Agree, Yeah, I mean, you know the fact that they

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Speaker 2: Glennes, Do you think that Trump and the administration had

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Speaker 3: you know, going after this repressive, you know, destructive, violent

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Speaker 3: I would do that if it were me, I would

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Speaker 1: Should we have done that one in Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: You know, Venezuela is uh I thought a award choice.

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Speaker 3: But I thought the the you know, going after Venezuela

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Speaker 3: I do believe that the Venezuela was but oil, which

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Speaker 2: Our diplomatic relations with Iran have not been existing since

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Speaker 2: what nineteen eighty? All right, so we do this for

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Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah, and that would into my position. I

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Speaker 3: You are right that putting troops on the ground and

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Speaker 2: Okay, But some of the insiders say, well, what the

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Speaker 1: That's the danger there.

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Speaker 2: M Greg Landsman, your face and voters in the district.

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Speaker 2: Polling is pretty broad. And we're also very skeptical on

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Speaker 3: The United States Congress have to be involved in this.

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Speaker 2: He is a Congressman, Greg landsman from here in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: We get right.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little leary, I'm a little nervous about regime

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that won't matter. Greg all the best, thanks again,

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