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Speaker 2: I'm not sure you tell me?

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Speaker 1: You know, ready to talk about stranger things?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: A bunch of kids doing activities just like me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is uh. First of all, where did you

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Speaker 2: get a where'd you get a wig?

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Speaker 1: It's a wig? That's how I always look. It's pretty sweet, right, sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are wearing your Watertown Police Cops and Kids

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Speaker 2: T shirt as well. Hearkening back to what circa ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand? That's what that's the year now?

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Speaker 2: Is that street hockey or flag football?

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Speaker 1: This would be flag football Patriots number thirty hometown team

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Speaker 1: I would say that my mind is always in that time,

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Speaker 1: always circa the year two thousand. Nothing bad is going

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Speaker 1: to happen to us.

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Speaker 2: I had a question positive to me earlier ago, and

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Speaker 2: you'll have an opinion on this. My brother, who is

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Speaker 2: twenty three or twenty four, I forget think he's twenty three,

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Speaker 2: asked the family group chat at their peak who was

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Speaker 2: the most popular. Michael Jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, Justin Bieber,

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Speaker 2: Jackson is the answer. There fall probably by Brittany Internet

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Speaker 2: Beatles got thrown in there as far as group dynamics go,

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Speaker 2: So that's probably the real answer. And then I said,

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Speaker 2: if you were to Peru's our eighth grade yearbook, no

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Speaker 1: In our eighth grade yearbook, we all had either the

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Speaker 1: song eight Mile or Lose Yourself as their favorite song,

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Speaker 1: favorite movie, best movie eight Mile.

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Speaker 2: And your hair well, i'd say your hair more looked

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Speaker 2: like that in like three than it did in like

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Speaker 2: two thousand and two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Who am I?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're spoilish, spoilish, Come on, Mac.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Out of all the character

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Speaker 1: Stranger Things character types would you most identify with as

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Speaker 1: yourself being a teenager?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so specifically thinking about myself through a teenage lens,

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Speaker 2: I think it's Jonathan like probably a little too quiet,

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Speaker 2: a girl I don't think I'm good enough for like that.

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Speaker 2: I think I very much identify with you, hair, I

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Speaker 2: think I very much identify with Jonathan. Unfortunately, because like

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Speaker 2: if I think about it, I don't identify with Dustin

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Speaker 2: or any of like the nerd kids. It didn't really

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Speaker 2: operate in that realm. I wasn't as cool as Steve.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I was like I was okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: I didn't have that delicious flow. I obviously can't identify

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Speaker 1: I would say that I'm close to Dustin, but I

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Speaker 2: No, I think to you and I's credit, we both

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had you had, you know, sort of your

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Speaker 2: bandish phase, your band friends. You know, you played some

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Speaker 1: I was a real licorice of a person.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 1: You either actually you mildly enjoyed me or you fucking

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Speaker 2: I love a Twizzler. I love a Twizzler.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a twizzler. I'm not black licorice.

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Speaker 2: You know what, what's the poll and peal? That shit

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Speaker 1: I'm a real poland peel of a person. I'll also

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Speaker 1: ask you this mac, Yeah, what song I guess now, Slash,

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Speaker 1: All Errors, Okay, So I would say thank you for

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Speaker 1: asking me. Yeah right now, it would be Tarzan Boy okay,

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Speaker 1: Vena would be like, you know what, maybe I should

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Speaker 2: To everybody eighty song as well.

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Speaker 1: And then back then my first album was shaggy, so

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Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't me go oh mind, it could be

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Speaker 1: Look oh Yorma tacony. Yeah, oh recently and you can

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Speaker 1: me to grow my hair out like she likes pulling it.

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Speaker 1: But which of the Jonas brothers has has nice hair?

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Speaker 1: Jo grow my hair out like Joe Jonas, which.

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Speaker 2: You are resembling a camp rock Joe Jonas right now.

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Speaker 1: Some might take that as a slight against themselves, being like,

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Speaker 1: why do you want me to look like someone else?

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Speaker 1: I Jonas was married to Sophie Turner. I understand value

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, look at my war I'm in the dirt.

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Speaker 1: What is he like a seven War Player.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever see camp Rock?

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Speaker 1: I've never seen camp Rock?

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Speaker 2: Okay, aren't they making a new one? They are making

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Speaker 2: an one with the Jonas Brothers and Demi Levado.

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Speaker 1: My wife is going to the Jonas Brothers show in

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Speaker 2: Kevin Jonas, the middle forgotten brother, just released a single

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Speaker 1: Which one ate Cake by the Ocean.

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Speaker 2: He was the singer in that band as well, Fun, right,

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Speaker 2: Nick is the younger one, I would argue, the most

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Speaker 2: His He says that song Jealous Still get Jealous.

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Speaker 1: One? Good?

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Speaker 2: Three?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, John three, King of Queen Street, entertaining, And we

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Speaker 1: are the Mac and Goo program. We bring you, We

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Speaker 1: bring you the return of prop comic Goo.

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Speaker 2: We have a while. Remember that.

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Speaker 1: Imagine giving me my own movie and taking away all

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Speaker 1: I know about comedy.

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Speaker 2: Remember that like month spand where you're trying to eat

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Speaker 1: No, okay, there it was like three episodes in a row. No,

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Speaker 1: there was one episode. It was our Dumble episode.

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Speaker 2: Chips.

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Speaker 1: Dumbo episode. I knew that we had nothing to offer that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was eating salt and vinegar pop chips, delicious, salt

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Speaker 1: and vinegar pop chips. If they want to sponsor the show.

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Speaker 1: I love salt and vinegar.

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Speaker 2: Pop chips, pro salt and vinegar.

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Speaker 1: I would say, salt and vinegar might be my favorite chip.

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Speaker 2: No, don't get crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not being crazy. I am talking not out of school.

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Speaker 1: I am firmly in my seat in the classroom.

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Speaker 1: Salt and vinegar. I love if Cape cod Ever brings back.

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Speaker 1: the best barbecue chips ever made. I will not accept.

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Speaker 2: Their sweet mosquito.

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Speaker 2: If you ask me, yes, i'd agree. That's what they cause.

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Speaker 1: So let's start a campaign. That's what this podcast is on.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We're on campaigns. Now, yep, we want fire cracker barbecue

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Speaker 2: Start the uh what's it called?

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Speaker 1: Letter campaign? Everyone? Start the letter campaign.

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Speaker 1: It's just like when we didn't want Michael Keaton and

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up campaigns because we are rejoining

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our Dungeons and Dragons campaign next year or so

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Speaker 2: It was too much of a Now I understand why

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Speaker 1: Wow. My favorite question from my wife recently. Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: asked me, did you know that Stranger Things is based

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Speaker 1: It's influenced by the nostalgia of the Duffer Brothers for

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Speaker 2: find it curious that the Duffer brothers are so enamored

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Speaker 2: by the eighties when I'm pretty sure they're the same

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Speaker 2: age as us. I think they're thirty six years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, they're they're older.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they're forty thirty forty ah, okay, forty.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: It's the brightness, it's the color palette. It's none of

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Speaker 1: I want to give them complete credit because we saw

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Speaker 1: But I also think that the character of eleven, it

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Speaker 2: I'll take that all right.

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Speaker 2: It's November nineteen eighty seven, and the Gang is trying

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Speaker 1: Did we just stumble into this? So the release schedule,

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Speaker 1: the song, No, it's not. It's just Christmas cartle dubs,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ladies milkin, that's all I got.

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Speaker 1: That's how many eggs?

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Speaker 2: Well that like if carton you can buy a carton,

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Speaker 1: It just makes sense you should find eighteen at a time.

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Speaker 2: That's good on you. So you get six meals or no, no,

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Speaker 2: Go This show stars. Originally it was tabbed as why

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Speaker 2: Not a Rider's Show? Why Not a Rider? As Joyce

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Speaker 2: Spier's David Harber's Jim Hopper, Finn Wolfart is Mike Wheeler,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Gloughlin as Lucas and Clair. Natalia Dyer is Nancy Wheeler.

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Speaker 2: as Lieutenant Robert Akers. I believe that's the guy that

437
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Speaker 2: Hopper and eleven have chained up in this first part

438
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Speaker 2: of the season. And then our our new star of

439
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: the show, Goo Jake Conley is Derek Turnbow. The internet

440
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: loves this kid.

441
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 1: This kid's the best.

442
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: He's great.

443
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this room smells like ass plus all

444
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: my farts rules.

445
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: We would be remiss if we didn't honor those we've

446
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: lost before we move on. Here, Goo, I'd like to

447
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: pay homage to doctor Montgomery as Billy Hargrove. We lost

448
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: him at the end of season three. Matthew Modan as

449
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: doctor Martin Brenner, we lost him in season four. Paul

450
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: Risers doctor Sam Owens. I think we also lost him

451
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 2: in season four. Sean asked it as Bob Numy. Nuby

452
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: met his demise at the end of season two, and

453
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: of course Joseph Quinn and a one off season uh

454
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Speaker 2: in season four as Eddiemundson, we lost him as well,

455
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: and a lot of our characters are still dealing with

456
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: the loss of Eddie, most notably Dustin.

457
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Speaker 1: Where is Barb?

458
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess r I p Barb too, Maybe she's

459
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Speaker 2: still active? If good. Before we get any further, it

460
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Speaker 2: became U asked a parent to everyone.

461
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Speaker 1: Thank you for putting this in the notes.

462
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Speaker 2: I forgot And this is really bothersome.

463
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Speaker 1: It is watching any like, I'm watching recap recap videos

464
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: and this these fucking dickheads.

465
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Speaker 2: The Duffer brothers also wrote a stage play, a Broadway

466
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Speaker 2: play that is cannon to the show and.

467
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: Means a lot in this scene and they're like, this

468
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: is crucialm Like, I have no idea what the fuck

469
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Speaker 1: you're doing?

470
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Speaker 2: Seen it? No one's seen it, dude. So it's called

471
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: Stranger Things The First Shadow. It's a prequel stage play

472
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: that explores the origins of the series and Hawkins, but

473
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: most importantly, it focuses on Henry Krele, a young Henry

474
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: Crele high school age Henry Crele in how basically Vecna

475
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: came to be and also in that story and who

476
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: went to high school with Henry is Joyce, Jim and Bob.

477
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: Apparently there's a lot of information and a lot of

478
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Speaker 2: filling in gaps in this stage play for a Netflix show.

479
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: That is ridiculous.

480
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, would you rather it be

481
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Speaker 1: a stage play, a book, a video game, or a zine.

482
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Speaker 2: At least I'd have access to a video game. I

483
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: ain't reading a book. That's for fucking shore, so also

484
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: not reading a magazine. They should have released the stage

485
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: play on video on Netflix. If you're gonna tell me

486
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Speaker 2: that in one of the longest running television shows in

487
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Speaker 2: the last twenty five years, that a stage play was

488
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Speaker 2: gonna be in to your series finale, I would say,

489
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: your show fucking sucks. Unfortunately, we're deep in here. We

490
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: just have to accept what we're getting, so I think

491
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: this is bullshit. Luckily, there are videos out there explaining

492
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: what happens in recaps that can round out what's really

493
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: going on in Hawkins and with Vecna, but that is

494
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: weak Sauce. I really, I really don't care for that.

495
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: As soon as they were telling me this, I'm like

496
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Speaker 1: that field I thought that I just forgot. I was like, oh,

497
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Speaker 1: maybe they showed us this, and I'm it's been a

498
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Speaker 1: long time. I'm stupid.

499
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Speaker 2: Like when we get the reveal in season four that

500
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: one Henry is Vecna, it's huge, it's massive, And when

501
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: we get a little bit of a background with his family,

502
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: and then I think they realized, oh shit, we have

503
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: a lot to do in season five and we can't

504
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: spend time with flashbacks. So they made a fuck They

505
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: were a stage place.

506
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Speaker 1: To be fair, though, they do have enough time to

507
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Speaker 1: cut out some of the fluff and put flashbacks.

508
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if they do, but

509
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: I want to.

510
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: Okay, regardless, I don't.

511
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: I don't like that they did this.

512
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Speaker 1: It's a long season, it is. There's a lot of

513
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: shit going on. The first two episodes could have just

514
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: been the stage.

515
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Speaker 2: Play, especially episode two. Episode two is a lot of

516
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: a continuation of what we see in one, But I digress.

517
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Speaker 2: Let's get the spoilers spoilers. First things First, spoiler spoiler

518
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: SPOILERSH So.

519
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: The Duffer brothers have been talking a lot about how

520
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: they really want Vecna powers wise and U or uh

521
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: feel like Darth Vader. Do you think they are setting

522
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: this up for at the end of this show. Vecna,

523
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: much like how Anakin Skywalker at the end of Jedi

524
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: is a hero. Again, Vecna is the hero of this story.

525
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: So I don't think they are. I think they're using

526
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: Vader imagery, specifically that Rogue one scene which they've referenced

527
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: in which we see in episode four, which was great.

528
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: I was kind of unimpressed by it, But go ahead,

529
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: all right.

530
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: We'll go fuck yourself. I think that's the easy way out.

531
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Speaker 2: If Henry is the answer to our equation, that's the

532
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: easy way out.

533
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Speaker 1: That would be the lazy writing. I wanted to get

534
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Speaker 1: for something more than that. It isn't who is the

535
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: big bag, But that's a.

536
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: Big question we have mind.

537
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 1: Claire.

538
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So let's let's run through the four episodes

539
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: here and then we'll finish with our questions and thoughts

540
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: and predictions. Uh.

541
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Speaker 1: Chapter one of Billy's not dead. He's been in the

542
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: back the entire time. He was in the back Superman video,

543
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: He's in the back.

544
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: Chapter one, the Crawl, we get that opening flashback sequence

545
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: with Will getting captured and brought into the upside down.

546
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: I didn't like the look of the CGI was tough

547
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 2: in this.

548
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: Admittedly, I also don't care for them jamming a tentacle

549
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: into a young boy's mouth.

550
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: Not for me, speaking of Michael Jackson. Uh Ku, it's

551
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: November nineteen eighty seven now in Hawkins. Uh they the

552
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: crew is preparing for one of Hopper's crawls. This is

553
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: his missions into the upside Down to map it as

554
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: they look for vena hunt down Vecna. We see that

555
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: Hawkins is under military lockdown. The conclusion of Or season four,

556
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: we see Hawkins sort of get split open and sort

557
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: of kind of becomes one with the Upside Do you.

558
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Speaker 1: Agree with me that too many of these kids are

559
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: now egons and there should be more of like a

560
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: lack of knowledge about certain things, and because they all know.

561
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: Because they've been on the forefront of it.

562
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: All, but they're all still children.

563
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, But they've been on the forefront

564
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: with it. They know more than anyone.

565
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: So I think it should be like one of them

566
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: is really good with the technology, one of them is

567
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: really good with the lore of the upside down, one

568
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: of them, but they're all good at all of it.

569
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: That's not true.

570
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: That's pretty true.

571
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: They work well together, but they're not all good at everything.

572
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: They make a good team go. They're like the two

573
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: thousand and three Detroit Pistons.

574
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: One might have a slight spike in something over the other,

575
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: but they are all pretty good at everything outside of will.

576
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: Well not anymore. Additional, on top of the lockdown, the

577
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: military also has a massive presence inside the upside Down,

578
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: so that's a really big thing that's going on. We

579
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: see eleven's training montage that culminates in them breaking into

580
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: the facility. This episode goes out of its way to

581
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: really highlight Hally Wheeler, the youngest of the Wheeler kids,

582
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: and basically makes her our main character for the season.

583
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Speaker 1: They also by having her ride her bike, so they

584
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: show that she's old enough to do this, and she

585
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: rides up next to Mike being like she's equal to

586
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Speaker 1: them now yep.

587
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: And then Mike also hands her her D and D

588
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: little trinket character thing says that her character would be

589
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: a cleric, which I'm sure is foreshadowing for what's going

590
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: to happen in the second half of the season. You

591
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: and I, as D and D experts, obviously know what

592
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: all that entails. We also get a couple of references

593
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: with Hally's outfits bedroom and her own references. She's reading

594
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: A Wrinkle in Time relates relates what is going ell

595
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: moon Light relates what's going on in think her world

596
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: to A Wrinkle in Time, which a movie I couldn't

597
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 2: get through, a book that is very popular though. We

598
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: also have references in thematically, very much like one of

599
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: goose favorites, an American tale featuring your boy fivel And

600
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: there's also a lot of rainbow bright stuff going on here,

601
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: which a lot of the Internet has picked up on,

602
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: and thematically those stories align a lot with what's happening

603
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: with Holly. We get introduced to Linda Hamilton hit Now,

604
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: who is the doctor that is heading whatever the hell

605
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: the military is doing inside the upside Down, like just

606
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: a clear one note bad guy. I don't really care

607
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: for what she's been doing so far, but it is

608
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: what it is. We get introduced to Will's power or yeah,

609
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: curse is a good word for it. He can see

610
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: through Vecna in the Dema Gorgan's eyes, so we get

611
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: kind of some cool shots of what's going on via Will.

612
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: So he's a part of the hive mind. Yes, he

613
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: is also able to see through the eyes of the

614
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Speaker 1: next victim.

615
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's sort of like a minority report situation.

616
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: Good we see which I think is really just to

617
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: motivate Will. Will sees Robin doing a little hanky panky

618
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: with Vicky in the hospital, and I think that's to

619
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: establish their connection, so we get that it's a little

620
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: like all right whatever.

621
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Speaker 1: Also, Robin talks a lot.

622
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: Robin talks a lot.

623
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Speaker 1: Robin talks a lot.

624
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then the other big thing of note

625
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: here is the demo Organs. I guess can now just

626
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: pop in and out of portals all over Hawkins and

627
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: back in and out of the upside down. Maybe it's

628
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: Vecna really doing it for him, I don't know.

629
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: They also Vecna keeps on calling Slash for his move.

630
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 2: Chapter two, The Vanishing of Holly Wheeler, we see Lucas

631
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: visiting Max in the hospital. He's still utilizing Kate Butch,

632
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: and later on in this episode we see that, or

633
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: maybe in two episodes. I think it's not until episode

634
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: four we see that it's still having effect. She almost

635
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: can get back to reality with it. The Demagorgans nearly

636
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: kill the Wheelers. They do, they kill the father.

637
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: I still okay, so both of them are critical yet

638
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: stable Okay. My issue here, yeah, is you gotta kill one,

639
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: if not both of them with this. And if you're saying, well,

640
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: just kill the dad, he is of no consequence. I

641
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: think killing the mother would have really put some steaks

642
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: on there. I think almost more than any of the

643
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: other debts in the past, because that would have really

644
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: pushed the Wheelers into we need to move this along.

645
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: So here's here's why I think ultimately, after thinking about it,

646
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: I think they didn't because immediately after gou Hally's unaffected

647
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: by what happened. So if you would have killed off

648
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: her parents and then shown her being on it wouldn't

649
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: have made sense.

650
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Taken when the mother was still on the ground black.

651
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: I understand, but like, if you kill them and then

652
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: how the character not be affected by it, it would have

653
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: been bad.

654
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: Well, then she could have done one of these. That's

655
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: all the good guys.

656
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: We also see here that apparently the demo Gorgan's only

657
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: weakness is a broken wine bottle, because they face waves

658
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: of bullets and are pretty unaffected by it.

659
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know what the missus.

660
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: Wheeler wielding a broken wine bottle, I guess injures.

661
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: It because it also it's not just it's bullets and

662
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: guns in the upside down and in the inside out

663
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: in the so like.

664
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: Living the Vita Loco over there, Yeah.

665
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: Living the Vita Loca. The skin's the color mocha.

666
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: We get a lot of Eleven and Hopper in the

667
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: upside Down in this episode, really spending a lot of

668
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: time with them. We get to that big wall in

669
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: the upside Down, which Dustin later figures out is actually

670
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: a circle a perimeter to the upside down Hawkins. We

671
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: get more of Robin helping out Will with his visions

672
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: and his self worth, and then the reveal at the

673
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: end of this episode that is mister Watson is actually

674
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: had recreal which are the worst like worst kept secret.

675
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: I think in All Stranger Things, we kind of all

676
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: saw that chapter three, the Turnbow Trap. This is where

677
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: they come up with the trap to capture Uh, the

678
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: Dema gorgan Uh. This episode was actually directed by Frank Darabant,

679
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: the director of The Green Isle and Showshank Redemption. I

680
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: believe he's directing another one of the final four episodes.

681
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: So that's a little fun fact.

682
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: That they destroyed that house.

683
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: They did fucking destroy the shit out of there. We

684
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 2: see now now that Holly's been captured, Holly is in Vecna's.

685
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: Mind, yeah, and he I don't know where her.

686
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: Body is physically though.

687
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: So her body is in the upside down, but I

688
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: don't think it is. I think I think she's attached.

689
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: So this is where it gets a little confusing. You

690
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: have Vecna's mind and the upside down, and they aren't

691
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: tangibly connected, but because of Vecna can sort of do

692
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: what he wants, they are connected. So like Max exists

693
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: in Vecna's you know, mind plane area, but she's not

694
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: in the upside down.

695
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: Her body is in the hospital.

696
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Holly also exists where Vecna's mind is, but

697
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: she probably is in the upside down, right, So I

698
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: don't really understand that there's a disconnect there for me,

699
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: And now I wonder if it's because Max technically died,

700
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: so it's there's a little bit of leeway there. But

701
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: that's like kind of a weird thing.

702
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: And then so do you believe that he is giving

703
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: her her favorite music so that he can now grow

704
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: immune to that and fight through it when they're getting

705
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: strength through what they love.

706
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: Because Henry Krele learns from his mistakes, so maybe it's possible.

707
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: I think I think it's a good fan theory. For sure.

708
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: We get Max, we come to find out as Max

709
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: leaving the note for Holly. Holly follows that note red

710
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: riding hood style to the cave. We get Hopper and

711
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: Eleven doing more upside down stuff. We also start to

712
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: see Will having a little bit more control over his

713
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: visions and minority reporting some of these appearances, and Robin

714
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: is continuing to empower him. That becomes obviously very powerful

715
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: in episode four. And then Derek Turnbou is just an

716
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: absolute delight. He is. He is the perfect influx of

717
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 2: this childish like they did it a little bit with Holly,

718
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: which helps too, but Turnbow is a great infusion into

719
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: this season. I've really enjoyed what he's given us so far.

720
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: You can smell how stinky that room probably is.

721
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: Uh good. Chapter four Sorcerer aptly named for I guess.

722
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Will now at the end of chapter three, that's when

723
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: we get the reveal that Max is in the upside down. Correct.

724
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: I thought it was at the beginning of four either way, Yeah,

725
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: it might have been at the end of three. Yeah.

726
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: This season really lacked on the impactful reveals. I thought

727
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: when Max showed up and like, well, they could only

728
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: been like three or four different nice.

729
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: Because it was good. It was like, all right, I

730
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: maybe would have been Max, but it's nice that, all right,

731
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: we got Max back. So we open episode four, Joice

732
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: and the kids at the barn. This is where Will

733
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: kind of controls the Denver Gorgan and then the Denver

734
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: Gorgan doesn't kill everyone. Joyce is swinging the acts around there.

735
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: You have to get through me first.

736
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: The military presence.

737
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Chill Joyce. That would have been something that could have

738
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: worked because that also that's right after Will had starting

739
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: disobeying his mother. Yeah, so that would have showed him like,

740
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: you do what your mama tells you. That's what missus Bouchet.

741
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: Taught all the kids. Watching the military presence.

742
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: That punched you in the face. It broke out of

743
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: the zoo.

744
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: The military presence is intensifying in both The Upside Down

745
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: and in Hawkins. They're quarantining all of the kids. This

746
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: is where Derek Turnbull becomes the double agent here, which

747
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: is a really nice setup where they're ushering the kids

748
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: down the tunnel and the whole mister Watson thing. We

749
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: finally learn what happened to Max and what Max has

750
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: been up to what she's been experiencing, which is I

751
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of runway to deal with this here,

752
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: because we're trying to figure out how ultimately we're going

753
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: to defeat Vecna first and foremost before maybe we get

754
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: to a bigger thing. And she's able to like kind

755
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: of jump through his memories, right, So there's is that

756
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: how they're gonna kind of fuck with time.

757
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: She's also hiding in a cavern in his mind.

758
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that he's afraid to go into that.

759
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: He's so that's where the mind flavor got him. Yeah,

760
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: he's afraid to go back in there.

761
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: Right, So there's something obviously that's gonna happen in and

762
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: around that cave and with Max. We just don't know

763
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: what yet. Will's utilizing his newfound vision to help, you know,

764
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: sort of combat Vecna. I still don't quite understand why

765
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: he needs twelve kids. There's a clock theme. We see

766
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: a lot of clocks. The Internet has also brought up

767
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: that Jesus had twelve apostles. Well did you know that too?

768
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: That the twelve days of Christmas start on Christmas Day

769
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: and not the twelve days leading up to Christmas.

770
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: Like, I thought, that can't be right, is that true?

771
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: I just researched it yesterday because my son got it

772
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: was a twelve days of Christmas advent calendar. I forgot

773
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: to get on the twenty four day one sure, and

774
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, let's start this on the thirteenth. Let

775
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: me just see what other twelve days leading up. And

776
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: it's like, no, you started on the twenty fifth, and

777
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: then you go through January fifth. Okay, that's just in

778
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: time for a little Christmas, all right?

779
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: Sure I did. Anon Christmas, everyone learns something new today.

780
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: We get Mike Lucas and Robin obviously coordinating that escape

781
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: from the quarantine zone. There, we learn a little bit

782
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: about Henry Kreole's past and that cave and what happened,

783
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: and we see true horror in his face.

784
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: We don't need to see that. We saw the stage play.

785
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: We know that. Well, that's such bullshit.

786
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I don't know, I don't know.

787
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: That would be like us telling you that. It's like

788
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: we just start doing it like an episode with all

789
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: these inside jokes, and we're like, oh, that's from the

790
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: unreleased episode that we did last week.

791
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a live podcast that you can't now

792
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: go back and see, right, but didn't someone someone that

793
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: was there can tell you about.

794
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: The five people that were at the brewery watching us

795
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: do it. They get it. Maybe they can tell you

796
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: about it. Write them a letter. Go.

797
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: The first reveal we get here in episode four is

798
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: Hopper and eleven finally infiltrate this military base inside the

799
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: upside Down and we're like, oh shit, is Vecna behind

800
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: this door that they teased her?

801
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: I did not say, oh shit, don't put words in

802
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: my mouth.

803
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: Well, we're like, what's behind the door. Show me what's

804
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: behind the door.

805
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We're like, no, you're like this, And.

806
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: It's revealed to be Cali Goo eight eight, who we

807
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: last saw I believe in episode seven of season two.

808
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: She was, you know, this X Men spin off type

809
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: of character that built a little bit more lore about

810
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: the lab and all the kids in.

811
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: The m I swear to Christ if they end this

812
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: story by having children hold hands and use their powers

813
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: together to defeat.

814
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: The bad guy, like Captain Planet.

815
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Like Captain Planet, or like Deadpool and Wolverine did jokingly

816
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: at the end of their movie. Well, Goo, I ain't

817
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna be happy.

818
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: The one thing that everyone's been pretty locked into before

819
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: the season even started is that in Dungeons and Dragons

820
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: you need to roll on a natural twenty A two

821
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: zero to defeat Vecna.

822
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: I've played Dungeons and Dragons, I know the rules.

823
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: We have eleven, we now have eight. That's nineteen. Who's

824
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: the one and there's a number of possibilities here, but

825
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: we have the eight, So clearly she's gonna play a

826
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: part in defeating Vecna and go. If you remember, her

827
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: powers are basically like she could cause people to see

828
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: things that aren't there. It's like hallucinogen type of powers

829
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: are different than eleven, so maybe she can confuse Vecna.

830
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: What I'm hoping for is at the end of the season,

831
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: one of the children has to kill one of the

832
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: other children, So okay, I would like for eleven or

833
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Will to be responsible for killing the other one and

834
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: that's how they save the world.

835
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: There's gonna be something interesting there because the one, which

836
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: we'll get to in a minute, there's three or four

837
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: candidates for who's gonna be the.

838
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: One, but it has to be someone that's been on

839
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: the show for all five seasons. You can't just be

840
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: could be maxed Okay, so Max is the possibilities. He's

841
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: been on the show long enough. Let's say, has who

842
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: have been on the show for at least three seasons. Well,

843
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: it could be Holly, don't know, do not make it.

844
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: It's either Max, Holly or Mike. If it is Holly

845
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: or Henry, it could be Henry. If it's Holly, I'm

846
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: calling Shenanigan.

847
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: It's Holly, Max, Mike or Henry. Those are your only possibilities.

848
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Why would I give a shit about Henry? I agree,

849
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: but I would call him.

850
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: It's possible.

851
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: I'd call him Hank.

852
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: He'd fucking he'd fucking uh.

853
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: I go like this, I'd throw my hand in his

854
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: face and be like, I'm kind of like Professor X,

855
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: just like that person over there.

856
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: In the right side, in the right side up at

857
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: the military base in quarantine. Here, all these demigore aids

858
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: and demo dogs arrive and they're attacking.

859
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: The challenge everybody, but doesn't matter.

860
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: They're killing everyone that don't matter.

861
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, cops said they don't match the demo. Gorgan's in

862
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: there and they say, wait, are you essential to the plot?

863
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: I will let you live at least three more episodes.

864
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: And then actually we get a little bit of a

865
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: hold on stuff here. The Demogorgans are starting to lose.

866
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: We get a lot of guns, a lot of ammunition,

867
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: and then what happens. Vecna comes through the portal and

868
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: calls them all up Cane style. He revives all of them.

869
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: They're all back alive again. And then he goes out

870
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: of his way to like shit on Will. He's like,

871
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: I I'm so strong because I was feeding off of

872
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: your weakness, you bitch.

873
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: You know what I would have done if I was Vena,

874
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: I would have came through the portal slowly and with

875
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: a limp. I would have then done a somersault and

876
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: popped up Willy Wonka style.

877
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: H Vecna kills a couple of soldiers spectacularly. The the

878
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: fingers through the back of the head was pretty cool.

879
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: He's also armored up and powered up. He's more powerful

880
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 2: than the last time we sewish.

881
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: He's very grudish.

882
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then more importantly, Goo the I don't know

883
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: X amount of kids that they had saved. Vecta takes

884
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: all these kids into the upside down. So he's got

885
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: all the twelve kids as he needs to do whatever

886
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: the fuck he's gonna do. And then we finished this

887
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: episode go with Debi Gorgans getting ready to kill some

888
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: of the characters we love, Joyce, Mike, and Robin.

889
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: But Mike Will get behind me. I'm gonna save you.

890
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: Will in spectacular fashion, snaps the demic Gorgans the way

891
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: Vecna did to his victims in season four. Will finally

892
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: gets a good moment he hadn't had any in four seasons,

893
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: gets a real good moment for his character. We don't

894
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: know exactly what he can do. It obviously isn't gonna

895
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: be the same as eleven, but he is connected to

896
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: this you know, upside down dimension in the mind flare,

897
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: and has been since season two.

898
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: And if he is, do they then see him as

899
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: being a problem. If they so, let's say, at the

900
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: end of these next three episodes, we get rid of Vecna,

901
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: but at the end of the part two finale they

902
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: find out like, oh no, Will could stumble into being

903
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: the same thing.

904
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: I think that could be awesome.

905
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: That's what the complete finale, the one that's going to

906
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: be in the movie theaters. It's we now need to

907
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: kill our friend, but it's possible.

908
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: It's possible, and I think that would be better than.

909
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we now need to un alive our friend.

910
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to get demonetized to YouTube.

911
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: Do your point.

912
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: If you are listening to the podcast right now, turn

913
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: it off, go to YouTube, smash that subscribe button, give

914
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: us a thumbs up like it. Go through all the videos.

915
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: Do that before we move on to some theories here.

916
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: I thought it was really funny that the internet proposed

917
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: what was going to happen if there was a fourth

918
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: Dema Gorgan there? Because we saw a hand hand head.

919
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: So what will was gonna have to use as cock

920
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: to kill the fourth one?

921
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: I think you go foot foot then cock, Well.

922
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: You'd have to levitate. Maybe I don't know. Ni, I'm

923
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: not sure it was visceral. I understand why they did it,

924
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: but it did add some complications. Uh, go to your

925
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: point here, and this is what you brought up at

926
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: the beginning. And I don't know why you hate it

927
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: so much, since you're the one that sort of implied it.

928
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 2: If they go Darth Vader and Anakin ending, that means

929
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Henry's going to be the one. Henry's going to be

930
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: the one that adds to the nineteen to make it twenty.

931
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't have any connection to Henry. I don't give up.

932
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: I agree with you, but that that's gonna be the

933
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: natural path, the path of least resistance is going to

934
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: be that, and I don't want that. But they may be.

935
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: Going down that hill one of the children.

936
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: Well, that might happen as well, but it might take

937
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: Henry separating from Vecna. I don't know. I hope that

938
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: doesn't happen, but there's a distinct possibility it happened.

939
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: No, who has to kill Will go on it right now?

940
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: Why? No? No, rider, that's for sure not gonna happen.

941
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: No, Okay, here we go, Will kills er I.

942
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: That's more likely to happen, but it's not gonna happen.

943
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: Neither of those two are gonna happen. H I think

944
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: what we might see happen is Vecna possessed Will and

945
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: Will kill someone by mistake.

946
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: So maybe that happens and the kids say, now we

947
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: have to kill him, and then when they go to

948
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: kill him, Will's actually no, it's still me.

949
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm still Will.

950
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Don't care.

951
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: We have several questions left here the whole who's going

952
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: to be the one. No question, I've solved this. It's Max, Holly,

953
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: Henry or Will. When it comes to Max and Holly,

954
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: are either of them going to exit Vecna's mind with abilities?

955
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: I hope not. I don't want all of these children

956
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: to have abilities.

957
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a possibility.

958
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: It's a possibility, but I don't want it.

959
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: It seems like to me, if Max escapes, Lucas is

960
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: going to sacrifice himself to save Max. And I also

961
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: think we're setting up for Steve to sacrifice himself to

962
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: save Nancy and Jonathan.

963
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: No one has aged like Lucas's sister. It look a

964
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: completely different part. It is true because she was a fan.

965
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: She's like an adult.

966
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: I learned this on The Cosby Show last week. There

967
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: was an episode where Doctor Huxtable puts something weird in

968
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: the barbecue sauce.

969
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: Uh. He wrote it from real life? Is weird? Weird?

970
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: Because he delivered babies, right, isn't that thing? I don't know,

971
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: I don't I'm pretty sure that was his thing. And

972
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: he also worked from home.

973
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, home bathtub deliveries. Kude. This cave that Max and

974
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: Holly are currently in clearly is gonna matter somehow. I

975
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: don't know how it's gonna manifest itself, but that is

976
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: some sort of shield against Vecna. So that's gonna play

977
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: into this. What is the government slash military using Cali for.

978
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: I don't quite understand what they were using. Maybe they

979
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: just were keeping her captured, but more likely they were

980
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: utilizing her or her powers for something, and I don't

981
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: know what that might be.

982
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: I also feel like the whole government thing, all of

983
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: the military. It almost feels like, how for a while

984
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: you had that secondary story with Hopper and the USSR.

985
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: I feel like all of that stuff isn't gonna matter

986
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: and it's just a waste of our time.

987
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: Well, we are setting up for a three tier to

988
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: two here, right, So I think volume two is going

989
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: to conclude in some sort of way where you have

990
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: Holly and Max fighting Vecna in his mind, you have

991
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: whoever's in the upside Down fighting in the upside down,

992
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: and then you have the people still in Hawkins. That

993
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: feels like it's clearly gonna come to a head at

994
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: the end of the second volume, so that might result

995
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: in Vecna getting defeated, and then we have another boss,

996
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 2: maybe the mind Flare. There's definitely something like that that's

997
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: gonna be going on. I think if it's just Vecna's

998
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: the final big bad, so be it. But if you

999
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 2: want to use your Darth Vader analogy again, the Emperor

1000
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: was above Darth Vader, right, so there could be something

1001
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: else at play, still sort of controlling Vecna. However, it

1002
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: could be that Vecna has gotten so powerful enough that

1003
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: he now controls the mind flare. I don't know. I

1004
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: don't know. There's so that's probably the biggest mystery we

1005
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: have going forward here.

1006
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: You know what I wouldn't mind is if at the

1007
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: end of the next three episodes they've defeated everybody and

1008
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: the final episode is just like everyone happily getting back

1009
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: to life.

1010
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: Would just two hours of them living in nineteen eighty seven, Yeah.

1011
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: Like, I don't mind that, Goid.

1012
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: My first vehicle, you'll remember it well, was a nineteen

1013
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: eighty seven Mercury Grand Marquis.

1014
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: I also had a Grand Marquee.

1015
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: How about that.

1016
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: It also might have it was not eighty. It might

1017
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: have been like eighty.

1018
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: You had the round body. Yours was a little nicer.

1019
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: You're thinking of my green I think so, yeah, because

1020
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: I also my my first car was a was a

1021
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: New Yorker Chrysler. What was it?

1022
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: I think most of those long sedan's all pretty much had.

1023
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: This long burgundy car and the inside it pretty much burgundy.

1024
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: It had like couches in it.

1025
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: Yes, the back I could fit fifteen people in my

1026
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 2: back seat.

1027
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: It was the I loved that car.

1028
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: So the two biggest things going forward here.

1029
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: Comment down below? What was your first car?

1030
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if Vecna really is our big bad

1031
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: This is what everyone's wondering. I don't know how Cali

1032
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: has been being used. If she's gonna flip. I think

1033
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: there's a chance she's bad. That might be happening. Right.

1034
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: What if we find out that Vecna and all the

1035
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: up side down stuff and all the military they're all

1036
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: the good guys, and all the people that we like

1037
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: they're all the shitheads. They're all the bad guys and

1038
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: they're just in the way.

1039
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: That would suck. I'm also curious if there's.

1040
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: We find out at the end all the guys that

1041
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: we like are the bad guys. No one's ever done

1042
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: that before, right.

1043
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm legit. Like I said to start here, you know,

1044
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: halfway through episode two, I was like, all right, let's

1045
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: get on with it. But then this conclusion episode four,

1046
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, they wrote me back in. I'm back in.

1047
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued. I want to see what happens. We're dealing

1048
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: with Jedi stuff here, right. All we need is a

1049
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: laser sword. It's basically Star Wars.

1050
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: You said that you want Dustin to get a lightsaber.

1051
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 2: Sure, there should be multiple people with lightsabers.

1052
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. In this season,

1053
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: we also get the teacher who has you know, given

1054
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: us certain plot points as we go along. He discusses wormholes,

1055
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: which introduces time travel right right, So now we are

1056
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: thinking that Henry might be doing something to travel back

1057
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: in time to maybe never deal with the mind flair.

1058
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could be setting up for something like that.

1059
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: We could be seeing, uh maybe time travel or memory walking.

1060
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: I guess, for lack of a better term, be weaponized

1061
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: against Vecta because once again we saw Max go into

1062
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: a couple of his memories, and I guess, just purely

1063
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: where Max and Holly are existing right now is like

1064
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: in Vecna's mind. So I don't know if we're gonna

1065
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: actually physically time travel. That seems unlikely, but it does

1066
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: seem like we can maybe go back in Vecna's mind

1067
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: and change stuff. Maybe Eleven can do that, or maybe

1068
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: CALLI with her hallucinogen thing can actually make stuff real.

1069
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. We don't know how

1070
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: this is gonna play out. So to their credit, with

1071
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: as much as we've seen going on as many years

1072
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: in now ten years, we have no fucking idea.

1073
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance that we get a

1074
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: Sopranos ending? It just cuts the black and we don't

1075
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: know what happens.

1076
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: No less than zero present chance.

1077
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a better chance that we get

1078
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: a we get an ending that is so confusing that

1079
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: we just sit back and say, what.

1080
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: What would you like to happen? What are you rooting

1081
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: for to happen?

1082
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: Kill the kids? I just told you this. One of

1083
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: the kids has to kill the other.

1084
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: Kids, So you just want chaos. You don't care how

1085
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: Vecna goes down.

1086
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: Either Will needs to kill Eleven or Eleven needs to

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00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:28,959
Speaker 1: kill Will.

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00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: I think this is how I want. I think I

1089
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: want Lucas to sacrifice himself to save Max so that

1090
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: Max can do go on and help defeat Vecna. I

1091
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 2: think for sure. For sure, we're gonna get Steve sacrificing himself.

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00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: That is just gonna be the perfect character arct for Steve.

1093
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: And then I think alternately they're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna do that with Steve, They're gonna kill off Jonathan instead.

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00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: Ultimately, what I think is gonna happen Weazel is because

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00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: Hopper has tried to sacrifice himself so many times to

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00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: save Eleven and Joyce. I think Eleven is gonna sacrifice

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00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: herself to save everyone so that Hopper and Joyce can

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00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: live happy.

1100
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: Oh you know what's gonna happen. So Steve is gonna die,

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00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: and he's gonna die running up that stupid tower because

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00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: they've all they've already teased it between the two of

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00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: them racing up the tower and then that horrible green

1104
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: screen you saw that, right, Yeah, that was not a

1105
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: good looking scene right there.

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Speaker 2: So I think I think we lose Lucas, I think

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00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: we lose Steve, and we either lose Will or Eleven,

1108
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 2: one of the that we're gonna lose at least four.

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00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: Obviously Henry or Vecna is gonna die at some point too.

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00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: The show is gonna end. The final scene of the

1111
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: show is gonna be Holly coughing up a slug? Why

1112
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: are you laughing? That is gonna be the final scene.

1113
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: Being like something.

1114
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: Like Stranger More Stranger Things.

1115
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: But it does. So they've gone out of their way

1116
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: to like tell the story through the lens of Holly.

1117
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: She's obviously gonna matter in the second half of the season, right,

1118
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: So how does that play out too?

1119
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: And we're already getting an animated spinoff? Is it out

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00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: of the question that they would try and do five seasons,

1121
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: say set in the nineties, where you don't need to

1122
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: pay these really expensive actors anymore, and you just get

1123
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of new kids, possibly, and you just make

1124
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: Holly the age of her sister and now she's later

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00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: in teens.

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00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 2: Her and Derek Turnbull are two stars.

1127
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, Oh, Derek, he already is a star.

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00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: He's the best, He's already a star. He's great.

1129
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: Anything else for the this thing?

1130
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm energized. I'm re energized about this show.

1131
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: And I if you had asked me two weeks ago,

1132
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: I was not very energized about it.

1133
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: So I bought a pencil sharpener the other day.

1134
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: I don't even know the last time I held a pencil.

1135
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: And the sharpener took four double A batteries. Oh, you

1136
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: bought an electric pencil sharpener, No, a battery powered one.

1137
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense.

1138
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very confusing because they wanted you to flip

1139
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: the batteries a certain way. I'm like, I don't know,

1140
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: how do you use batteries?

1141
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: Are he using colored pencils? Or is it for RAFFI?

1142
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: For school?

1143
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: You know my favorite tool is my battery daddy. It's

1144
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: a nice case of holding my batteries.

1145
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, And I have a.

1146
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: Lot of batteries now. I don't lose them. I know

1147
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: where they all are. They're right in the daddy. Let's

1148
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: get into mac Sack, and mac Sack could be anything.

1149
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: It could be about and Mac. I've made a horrible decision.

1150
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: I've made a bad choice.

1151
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 2: I can't say I disagree as much as I enjoy

1152
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: the hobby of collecting Pokemon cards. Gu you have made

1153
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: a bad decision.

1154
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: Now, I am not collecting for myself. Right, But my

1155
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: son last couple of weeks has been saying I really

1156
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: want to collect Pokemon cards.

1157
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: And he is at the age where that shit is

1158
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: very intriguing.

1159
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: Right, And I said to myself, this seems like a

1160
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: fun hobby that we can do together, and I only

1161
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: have so many more years before he hates it. So

1162
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: I need to do this for as long as possible,

1163
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: and usually whatever his interest is, I bone up on it.

1164
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: I learn as much as possible. I can have as

1165
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: many conversations with him as possible. I know so much

1166
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: about kpop demon hunters. Mystery is the one with the

1167
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: hair that covers his eyes. Sure romance pink hair. Care

1168
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: to quiz me on any more Saja boys.

1169
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: No, I don't know anything about them.

1170
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: Not usually pops open. So it shows us. Abs Gina

1171
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: was the leader of the Saja Boys. Right, of course

1172
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: there's another one.

1173
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: But back to this, the Joey fotone of the Sasha Boys.

1174
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: So once again I am. I said, Okay, I'm gonna

1175
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: do this. I'm gonna jump in feet first. No, I

1176
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: dove in head first. I made it. I spent a

1177
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: lot of money because you have to. If you're gonna

1178
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: buy these, and you want to buy them at retail price,

1179
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: you need to chase down the vendors when they go

1180
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: to big box stores.

1181
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: It is very, very hard to accumulate Pokemon cards at MSRP.

1182
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: But no one is at target at seven am more

1183
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: than may.

1184
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: You have been on several drops. That has helped myself,

1185
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: helped Chris Shime, and now it's gonna help you.

1186
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: That is because my gym is right next to a target.

1187
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: I can pop in the right before the gym and

1188
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 1: right after the gym if need be, and I did.

1189
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: I caught the vendor, got my son there in Pokemon cards.

1190
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to him though, like for Christmas,

1191
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: he'll get a couple. Yes, everything else is in the attic,

1192
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: and then I'm hoping like everyone will be like, hey,

1193
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: I want to go on a hunt because I do

1194
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: collect shit and the hunt is sometimes more fun than

1195
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: actually acquiring. Totally agree, So I'm looking to go on

1196
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: some hunts with them, look for some cards, and then

1197
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: on the days when we don't find any, I'm like, hey,

1198
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: what's in my back pocket? Where did I Where did

1199
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: I find this?

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00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: I think you also, maybe there's a couple listeners out

1201
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: there that can help out. I've accumulated an okase sealed collections,

1202
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: so I can throw some his way, and I think

1203
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: at some point in the next few months, once he's

1204
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: a little comfortable with what he likes in the cards.

1205
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: He likes, we should go to a card show.

1206
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm also fully prepared for if on Christmas he opens

1207
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: them he doesn't really like them. I'm gonna sell them

1208
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: onto you.

1209
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'll buy We go there, we go. Yeah,

1210
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: all right.

1211
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: I walked in the house with three target bags filled

1212
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: with Pokemon cards. My wife's like, what in the h

1213
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, Rafie showed interest, and

1214
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: I am clinging to his childhood.

1215
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the nice thing at least with this hobby,

1216
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: you have some knowledge of Pokemon, and you have a

1217
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: decent amount of knowledge but trading cards, so you're not

1218
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: completely out of your arm.

1219
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 1: Well, so, as a kid, I fucking loved baseball cards.

1220
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: I did collect Pokemon cards. As a kid, I collected

1221
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: some hockey cards. Any Magic, the Gathering, No Magic the Gathering.

1222
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 2: Okay, I I had quite a few of those.

1223
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: But yes, as I bought these, I also bought a

1224
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: thing of the hard cases, and also the sheets that

1225
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: you can put in the book, and.

1226
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: The penny sleeves.

1227
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: And as soon as you open up the packs, you

1228
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: go and you organize and you put them right in there.

1229
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: So I am fully prepared for that. I am also

1230
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna be as soon as I'm gonna research all the

1231
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: chase cards, I'm gonna try and figure this out, and

1232
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: if I see him pop, I'm gonna be like, hey,

1233
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: one second, take that, put it right in the case. Yeah,

1234
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: you can look at it all you want. It's in

1235
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: the case now.

1236
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. You'll have to have a separate storage for like

1237
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: the valuable cards, which is what I do. I also

1238
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: have a lot of bulk that are like ten twenty

1239
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: cent cards that I'm more than happy to send your way.

1240
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do this,

1241
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: but say, if he does pull an expensive one, I'll

1242
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: be like, hey, let's sell that and you can get more.

1243
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, or that, or at least this is what Joe

1244
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: has told me. He's done with his daughters. So his

1245
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: daughter's eight or nine, so she's obviously a little more

1246
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: into it, can kind of grasp a little more things.

1247
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, they'll do a graded card,

1248
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: and it's a thing she really looks forward to. Oh cool,

1249
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: like one of her favorite cards. So that's an avenue

1250
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: you can do as.

1251
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: Well, all right, Ricking the folks find us.

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Speaker 1: Sure check us out. At the top of next week

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Speaker 1: we have a news dump super Girl trailer. We can

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Speaker 1: talk about that. Hello. Then at the end of the

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Speaker 1: week Santa Oh, we.

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Speaker 2: Got Yeah, it makes more sense to do it next

1269
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Speaker 1: Tuesdays or Goosdays. I a us Kangaroos Eamburton Bye. Please

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Speaker 1: flip the cassette over to side B to continue the adventure.

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