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Speaker 1: Boston's bulldozer never sleeps. The Kooner Report weekend edition on

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Speaker 1: the Voice of Boston WRKO.

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Speaker 2: Okay, joining me now as she always does at this time,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Grace putting liberals in their place. Grace VOTEO full disclosure.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm married up. Believe me, I'm married up, Grace.

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Speaker 2: I know you got strong feelings about this. President Trump

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Speaker 2: now says he's going to cut all federal funds to

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Speaker 2: sanctuary cities sanctuary states. This includes obviously Boston. Your reaction, well, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the border and immigration, President Donald J.

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Speaker 3: Trump has exceeded my expectations. When I capt the vote

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Speaker 3: for him in this election, I was really hoping he

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Speaker 3: was going to at least just close the border and

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Speaker 3: of course deport the illegals. I never thought that he

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Speaker 3: was going to go this far to keep his promise

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Speaker 3: to even deport anybody that is here illegally, so not

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Speaker 3: just the criminal legals, but anybody. And he has exceeded

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Speaker 3: my expectations. He has shown a level of toughness on

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Speaker 3: this question that I have not seen in my lifetime,

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Speaker 3: that American citizens have not seen in their lifetimes. Nobody

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Speaker 3: is as committed to restoring law and order than this president.

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Speaker 3: And he has been brilliant on this question, and now

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Speaker 3: he's going to take it to another level. And this

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Speaker 3: is the key question. Federal funds come with federal laws,

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Speaker 3: so you're either in or out of the federation. You

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Speaker 3: can't take the privileges of being within this larger structure,

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Speaker 3: but then you don't want to abide by its laws.

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Speaker 3: So it's one or the other.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that cutting federal funds is going to

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Speaker 2: ultimately hurt people like you? People like me, Conservatives, people

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Speaker 2: who support Trump, But it's going to hurt our roads,

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Speaker 2: our you know, our schools, our healthcare, our fire and

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Speaker 2: police departments, because in the end, that's what the funding

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Speaker 2: goes towards. It helps to subsidize these these you know,

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Speaker 2: these basic services that we use and we need. So

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Speaker 2: is it unusual? Is it? Is it cruel? And is

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Speaker 2: it leading to collateral damage? Because that's what the Democrats

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Speaker 2: are arguing. I'm just curious what's your take on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it depends exactly which funds are cut and how

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Speaker 3: this whole thing is done, so the details have yet

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Speaker 3: to be unveiled. I also think that the courts are

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Speaker 3: probably going to strike the whole thing down, But it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. The point is that Trump is sending a

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Speaker 3: clear message, and that's what we the citizens who voted

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Speaker 3: for him, want to see. We want to see him

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Speaker 3: saying I'm going to fight you. You're not just going to

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Speaker 3: have all the power in this battle. We have two

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Speaker 3: and whatever power we have, we're going to leverage it.

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Speaker 3: I think ultimately it's more of a tactic. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how long he can halt the federal funds, but

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Speaker 3: I think it's worth doing to flesh out those that

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Speaker 3: are truly going to continue to defy him, because what

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Speaker 3: will happen is even just that threat and actually doing

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Speaker 3: it in part however he wants to do it, Some

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Speaker 3: of them are going to back down. I don't think

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Speaker 3: all the mayors are going to keep resisting him. Those

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Speaker 3: that you know, claim to be these tough exponents of

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Speaker 3: the sanctuary city policy. I think some are probably going

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Speaker 3: to back down. So I think it's a good tactic

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Speaker 3: in the short term. So I think he should definitely

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Speaker 3: do it and send this clear message that you know,

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Speaker 3: he's going to play hardball with you if you're going

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Speaker 3: to play hardball with him. And one of the things

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Speaker 3: that Jeff hasn't been talked about enough is this. I

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Speaker 3: heard so much commentary about oh does ice do ICE

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Speaker 3: agents need better training, etc. Well, you know what struck

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Speaker 3: me is in the incident with miss Good there who

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Speaker 3: was killed hardly was trained by ice Watch, Right, nobody's

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Speaker 3: asking what about the training that these agitators are being given.

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Speaker 3: You know that she violated even the training that they've

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Speaker 3: been given. They're told to stay out of the way

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Speaker 3: of the activities of law enforcement. So even according to

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Speaker 3: the idiotic rules of the agitators, she broke those rules.

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Speaker 3: And they're only supposed to be documenting what ICE does.

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Speaker 3: They're supposed to stay out of the way. Even according

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Speaker 3: to ice Watch, you're not supposed to go in there

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Speaker 3: and block the traffic, you know so, and escalate the situation.

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Speaker 3: They're supposed to be trained to help to de escalate.

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Speaker 3: She was doing the very opposite of what even ice

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Speaker 3: Watch was training them to do. So there's no question

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Speaker 3: that this woman was idiotic from start to finish, along

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Speaker 3: with her.

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Speaker 2: Spouse, you know, Grace. The media in particular the Democrats

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Speaker 2: obviously are saying that Renee Good is a martyr, that

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Speaker 2: this was a murder. That's what they're saying, that this

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Speaker 2: Ice agent, Jonathan Ross, killed her in cold blood. It

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Speaker 2: was unnecessary, it was malicious on his part. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just curious. You saw the multiple videotapes that have come out.

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Speaker 2: What was your reaction to the shooting. Was this a

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Speaker 2: legitimate self defense shooting in your view?

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Speaker 3: Look, Jeff, in my view, I think that Renee and

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Speaker 3: the wife, they were having a great time. They thought

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Speaker 3: this was just going to be fodder for social media,

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Speaker 3: and she had antagonized the Ice officers all day and

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Speaker 3: at that point, I think she was steering her car

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Speaker 3: to try to leave. However, at that point it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter because she had defied direct orders from the Ice

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Speaker 3: agents in that moment. They told her get out of

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Speaker 3: the car, and she had defied those orders. So it

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Speaker 3: doesn't even matter what was in her head. It was

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Speaker 3: her actions. Her actions were threatening to that officer, and

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Speaker 3: he didn't have time, you know, to write a thesis.

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Speaker 3: What is in her head right now? Is she moving

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Speaker 3: to leave? Is she gonna kill me? So he shot

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Speaker 3: in self defense? You know, I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 3: We're looking at this, taking a lot of time, looking

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Speaker 3: at all the angles, and people still debating what was

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Speaker 3: in her head. He didn't have time to do that,

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Speaker 3: and so, of course I think from the point of

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Speaker 3: view of what was justified legally, he was justified to

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Speaker 3: strike her. She was a complete idiot because I don't

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Speaker 3: think that she was moving to actually harm them. I

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Speaker 3: think she was just trying to get out of the way.

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Speaker 3: But at that point, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: what I think, It doesn't matter what she thinks. What

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Speaker 3: matters is that her actions were in violation of the

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Speaker 3: direct orders of law enforcement. And when it comes to

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Speaker 3: that officer, I mean, what a brave guy. This guy

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Speaker 3: had been wounded before. He's doing a really hard job.

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Speaker 3: He goes back in the field. How many people even

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Speaker 3: want to be ice agents. I mean, it takes a

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Speaker 3: really tough dude to want to do that job, never

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Speaker 3: mind somebody who's already been wounded. He goes back in.

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Speaker 3: This guy is a hero. He shouldn't be vilified. You know,

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Speaker 3: we have to be sympathetic to the kind of stress

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Speaker 3: that he's under. And that idiot kept antaconizing him, and

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Speaker 3: basically it was a tinderbox. You don't antagonize somebody that's

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Speaker 3: already under stress. I mean, think about this from let's say, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: the number one rule you and I have learned as

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Speaker 3: a married couple. If you are or under stress, get

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Speaker 3: to the way of that pot. Now think about the

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Speaker 3: stress that these officers are under. So of course something

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Speaker 3: is going to go wrong.

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Speaker 2: Grace, we've got a minute and literally a minute left.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the wife of Renee Good

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Speaker 2: taunting the police just before the fatal shooting, you know,

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Speaker 2: come and get us, Come and get us. Why don't

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Speaker 2: you go have lunch, big boy, and then telling her

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Speaker 2: her wife drive baby drive, drive baby drive. Is she

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Speaker 2: complicit in the death of Renee as well?

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Speaker 3: Well, she's complicit in unerstupidity because from their point of view,

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Speaker 3: they're having a great time antagonizing the officers, and they

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Speaker 3: didn't realize how dangerous what they were doing is, and

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Speaker 3: so that was very bad advice. Any other spouse would

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Speaker 3: have said stop, stop immediately because this is a tinderbox

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Speaker 3: and something is going to go wrong. I mean, how

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Speaker 3: many times I'm literally I can see an accident about

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Speaker 3: to happen a mile away when it's something very mild,

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Speaker 3: that's say, with children or with you, Hey, Jeff, be careful.

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Speaker 3: The flora slippery. If you step on it, you're going

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Speaker 3: to get hurt because you're not paying attention. I mean,

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Speaker 3: most of the times we try to protect our spouses

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Speaker 3: from escalating.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're dead on, you're dead on, You're absolutely dead on. No,

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Speaker 2: she should have told her wife right away, please just

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Speaker 2: get out of the car, Just get out, gay, get out.

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Speaker 2: Instead she get rid of the exact wrong advice. And

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Speaker 2: you know, you f around, you find out grace as

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Speaker 2: always dynamite stuff. We'll talk to you next week, same time.

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Speaker 1: If Jeff doesn't get a day off. This request came

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Speaker 1: from his wife. The Kooner Report weekend edition on the

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