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Speaker 1: Station Tuesday, and a very happy one to you. Always

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Speaker 1: enjoy my Tuesdays, especially when I see Dave Williams on

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Speaker 1: the rundown from the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, which you can

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Speaker 1: find online. I recommend you do protecting Taxpayers dot org,

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Speaker 1: always looking out for where our idiot elected officials are

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Speaker 1: spending money, wasting money, and packing a defense bill with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with defense.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Dave Williams and an early Merry Christmas to

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Speaker 1: you and yours, my friend. Good to have you back

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, and early Merry Christmas to you too. And

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Joe right before I came on

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Speaker 2: and talking about the new mayor potentially an expansion of

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Speaker 2: the street car in Cincinnati. Wow. Wow, you guys have

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Speaker 2: a lot of issues, that is.

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Speaker 1: The delicate way of putting it. Yes, dysfunctional we are,

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Speaker 1: but you know we've been talking about a lot of

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Speaker 1: elections have consequences. When only one in four eligible voters

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Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnatis turn out to vote, you

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Speaker 1: know it's the the hardcore left base that is so

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Speaker 1: well organized they are definitely going to show up. And then,

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Speaker 1: of course the Independence Republicans are more sane. People within

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party don't bother because they think it's a

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Speaker 1: lost cause in a very blue city. And this is

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Speaker 1: what you get leg number two or whatever of the

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Speaker 1: streetcar most likely, although I haven't seen any formal proposals

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Speaker 2: And why that would even be in the background discussion

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Speaker 2: just is beyond me, and I'm sure beyond you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: because if you look at you know, Cincinnati, but just

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Speaker 2: across the country, these things just lose money. They're shutting

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Speaker 2: down the DC streetcar next year. I mean, at least

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Speaker 2: you know, a modicum of common sense in DC. Right,

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Speaker 2: It's like this, and this thing has lost a ton

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Speaker 2: the cost two hundred million dollars to build. They shouldn't

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Speaker 2: have built it in the first place. But you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe Cincinnati should look to DC and think, hmm, maybe

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Speaker 2: we go the other way and shut this thing down.

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Speaker 1: Well, that'd be a great idea. But come on, Dave,

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Speaker 1: it's free. You can ride your car for free. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't cost anything but the five million plus dollars annually

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Speaker 1: for debt service and maintenance. But no, it's free. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the City of Cincinnati struggling to fill a

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Speaker 1: massive budget hole on top of it. So, yeah, can

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Speaker 1: you try to make any sense out of that? Don't bother. No,

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Speaker 1: you can't pivoting over the National Defense Authorization Act are

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Speaker 1: military funding bill. It's one of the twelve appropriations bills

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Speaker 1: are supposed to have done by now, which they never do.

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Speaker 1: We end up with an omnimus bill. But like all

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Speaker 1: of these big bills, you got to have bipartisan support,

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Speaker 1: and the uses an opportunity to pack well, in this case,

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Speaker 1: the Defense Authorization Bill filled with stuff and things that

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Speaker 1: colossal waste of money. Hmm, how about that good figure?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, this happens right so often is that they

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Speaker 2: They're you know, Christmas shopping doing whatever, and well Christmas

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Speaker 2: shopping is what Congress is doing to these in these.

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Speaker 1: Bills, no doubt. Well, I am so pleased me individually,

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Speaker 1: I am so pleased that the Defense bill includes money

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Speaker 1: at least a coord to one of our elected officials.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a defense priority, absolutely. I mean, you can see

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Speaker 2: the huge defense implications of this, of this particular you know,

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Speaker 2: But we do. You do, I do, and you know

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Speaker 2: some other people do, but not enough people.

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Speaker 1: Actually, no doubt. And Dave, you're always paying attention to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the crazy part is when they don't even

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Speaker 2: obviously that's no way to run a government.

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Speaker 1: No way to run a government. You and I agree

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Speaker 1: The government run health services for the Native Americans, apparently

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Speaker 1: a failed program. But this defense build builds upon the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the Indian Health Service and this thing

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Speaker 2: has been an absolute failure for Native Americans and really

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Speaker 2: concerned that. And listen, this is kind of the theme

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Speaker 2: of the past few months. Is healthcare right, whether it's

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Speaker 2: adding more money to the Indian Health Service and not

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Speaker 2: looking at, Okay, what's working, what isn't working. What is

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Speaker 2: the best way to have people, you know, provide healthcare

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Speaker 2: government provide healthcare for people. We have to switch the discussion.

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Speaker 2: We have to switch the model here as to how

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Speaker 2: can we put health care back in the decision of

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Speaker 2: the families of people. And you don't do that banning subsidies.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that by expanding the Indian Health Service.

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Speaker 2: You do it through free market reforms, health savings accounts,

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Speaker 2: ways that people can really invest in their healthcare. In Congress,

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Speaker 2: and you know, Speaker Mike Johnson, you know he held

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Speaker 1: Well. And as you point out a lot of facts

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Speaker 1: and the IHS directly pays for the hospitals and the physicians. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've heard many, many times and many many stories over

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Speaker 1: It's just it's kind of like doctors of last resort.

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Speaker 1: Is that part of the problem here, Dave.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is. And look at Department Veteran Affairs, you know,

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Speaker 2: we've had the same problem that our veterans are getting

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Speaker 2: it's really again, these common threats right across the government,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the Indian Health Service, the VA, Obamacare, we

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Speaker 2: to just fundamentally change the way that we think about

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Speaker 2: beginning of this. This is part of a defense build.

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Speaker 2: This is not a standalone build. This is not part

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Speaker 2: It should not be in here. And the reason is,

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Speaker 2: you have hundreds of billions of dollars in this authorization bill.

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Speaker 2: You stick a couple of billion here and there. Seemingly

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Speaker 2: the Indian Health Service and all these things get signed

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, since I do have the Cincinnativa folks

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Speaker 1: quality for our local veterans. That does not say that

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Speaker 1: all VA programs and hospitals do that, but I've talked

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Speaker 1: healthcare issues. Generally, it's a much broader solution that's out there.

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Speaker 1: And again, your free market points are very very well taken.

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Speaker 1: I've never quite understood, Dave delivering most favored nation prescription

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Speaker 1: So if they sell it cheaper someplace else, then we

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Speaker 1: get the cheaper price for pharmaceuticals. I know where you're

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Speaker 1: that we became we're the full retail country for pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 1: We pay full retail and the other parts of the world, Canada,

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Speaker 1: most notably our northern neighbor gets a massive discount for

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Speaker 1: what we're paying, so much so that a lot of

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Speaker 1: So how did that situation arise? And I know we

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Speaker 1: us supplementing them. That doesn't seem fair as a practical

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really interesting issue because we have pharmaceutical

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Speaker 2: and the rules are so stringent and we're not talking

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Speaker 2: about you know, safety has to obviously be you know,

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Speaker 2: concern number one, but it's the efficiency of these drugs.

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Speaker 2: If a drug is ninety five percent efficient, then it

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Speaker 2: will go to the market. But if it's ninety four

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Speaker 2: And we're getting to a point where it's really tough

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Speaker 2: this costs a lot of money. And now, listen, everybody

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Speaker 2: wants to low prices on drugs. Listen, I want to

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is. And you know there's the Pharmacy Benefit Managers,

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Speaker 2: They absolutely are not. And what I find this crazy

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Speaker 1: We need Thomas Massey to issue a discharge petition.

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Speaker 1: The hospital lobby, insurance companies.

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Speaker 2: It's always followed the money. And you know what's happening

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Speaker 1: Clearly, all right, going back, will the rest of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the other countries will always pay the lowest price.

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Speaker 2: And listen, you know, Canada's healthcare system is obviously completely

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Speaker 2: Well that's not exactly something you it should be, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, they have even more socialist price controls in

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Speaker 1: Well, something perhaps even more mismanaged and screwed up the

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Speaker 1: higher education situation in our country. We're going to address

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Speaker 1: that with Dave Volames from the Taxpayer Protection Alliance Higher

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Speaker 1: Education Reform. I think we definitely need it. What Approaches

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Speaker 1: Protection Alliance, moving through the issues Higher Education Reform Act.

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Speaker 1: I think more and more people come to the realization

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Speaker 1: propaganda exercise. Dave Williams, how do you fix this problem?

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Speaker 2: Wow, we're hitting all the biggies today, aren't we. Education.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this really is. And you know, the evidence

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Speaker 2: what the bind administration tried to do is say, really

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Speaker 2: create a divide between for profit and nonprofit education. Now,

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Speaker 2: for profit could be trade schools, right. The nonprofit are

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Speaker 1: Amen? I mean I was waiting for that shot to drop.

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Speaker 1: But what you mean it has to be opportunity for

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Speaker 1: You can't make that argument or not for profit school

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Speaker 2: Let's look at for profit and nonprofit. You have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's actually no linkage between college and what they

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Speaker 1: Not getting anything out of a bunch of angry people

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Speaker 1: then you know you can do that on your own, right, Dave.

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Speaker 1: I mean the books are all out there. You don't

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Speaker 2: And understand the consequences of that. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right? Can you stick around for one more

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Speaker 1: to tell us about Sumosa? Are you about wonderful? One more?

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Speaker 1: this Somosa Acting. I'm KARC the talk station seven. If

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Speaker 1: you about KARCD talk station. Happy Tuesday, Ryan Thomas. One

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Speaker 1: more segment here with Dave Williams from the Taxpayer Protection

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Speaker 1: Alliance again online at Protecting Taxpayers dot org. Real quick,

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Speaker 1: and abuse, people builking the system. Whether you go up

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Speaker 1: to Minnesota and see what's going on there, we find

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Speaker 1: out more and more people took advantage of this parole program.

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Speaker 1: You got child molesters getting involved, and no one did

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Speaker 1: any oversight, No one was looking out for fraud, wasting

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Speaker 1: to be no one bothered cross referencing or checking people's

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Speaker 1: identities social security numbers use thousands of times dead people's

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Speaker 1: social security numbers. This is an easy fix with AI

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Speaker 1: these days, Dave, letting departments share information when, Dear God,

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Speaker 1: when will our elected officials put first and foremost avoiding

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Speaker 1: and preventing? As item number one, the ability to engage

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Speaker 1: in fraud wasted use in any government program, because oh,

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Speaker 1: come on, they're all there to serve someone who desperately

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Speaker 1: needs a government program. Aren't we harming those people the

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Speaker 1: most by allowing this to go on? Dave.

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Speaker 2: We have the technological tools to do this, the government

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Speaker 2: chooses not to use them. And it's frustrating because if

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Speaker 2: you look at you know, child safety, any of these issues,

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Speaker 2: every dollar that is wasted is a dollar that is

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Speaker 2: not helping somebody, and it's it's frustrating as heck. And

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Speaker 2: it's just there's no excuses for this, and absolutely no excuses.

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Speaker 2: We have phones, you know, the phone that I'm using

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Speaker 2: right now has amazing technical capabilities, yet the government is

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Speaker 2: still stuck in almost the nineteenth century at this point.

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Speaker 2: So I look at the irs. The IRS has software

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Speaker 2: that is fifty or sixty years old? How does that happen?

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Speaker 2: How does the government allow that to happen? Fifty or

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Speaker 2: sixty year old software at one of the most important agencies,

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Speaker 2: the irs.

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Speaker 1: And they want to take over doing our tax returns

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Speaker 1: for us? Dave, Yeah, we'll get right on that, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me get that out of my system.

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Speaker 1: I have been on a bit of a tear lately

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Speaker 1: on that. So strengthening Agency Management and Oversight of Software

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Speaker 1: assets SOMOSA Act. What's this?

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Speaker 2: You know, Brian, We've talked a lot about difficult issues healthcare, education,

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Speaker 2: This is not This is about looking at the software

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Speaker 2: that the government owns and just making it more efficient

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Speaker 2: and saying, listen, we spend ten to fifteen billion dollars

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Speaker 2: on software software licenses. What is and just doing an

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Speaker 2: inventory talking about five hundred seven hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year could be saved on licenses, on software licenses.

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Speaker 2: This is easy, man, This is super easy.

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Speaker 1: It really is, all right. So it always points when

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Speaker 1: you have something that seems so crystal clear and seems

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Speaker 1: so objectively bipartisan to be a good idea, what kind

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Speaker 1: of trouble you're running into? Getting some traction on this

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Speaker 1: one or is it a bipartisan supported piece of legislation.

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Speaker 2: It is bipartisan. And and what I think what happens

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Speaker 2: is that they run out of time. I look at

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Speaker 2: this year, right what there's a month and a half

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Speaker 2: of a government shutdown and nothing happened. This would have

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Speaker 2: been a great time for the Speaker to have hearings,

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Speaker 2: to hold hearings on the Simosa Act, and to be

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Speaker 2: ready for this to be introduced right after the government shutdown,

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Speaker 2: you know, finished. So there's been opportunities to do this,

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Speaker 2: and again it's just to malaise the slowness. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Congress moves like the continents. It's just so slow.

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Speaker 2: But you know, hopefully and you know it was its

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Speaker 2: being introduced this week again and hopefully we'll get a

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Speaker 2: vote by the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, to people's point about the Imperial presidency,

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Speaker 1: it's that slow pace and that inability to get anything

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Speaker 1: logical and reasonable done. Ignore the politically charged issues out

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Speaker 1: there in the world where you have massive division. If

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Speaker 1: you've got something so simple, easy and important and beneficial

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Speaker 1: to everyone, like this, the most act, you'd expect them

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Speaker 1: to act on it right away. But since they don't,

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Speaker 1: this invites well executive action. I mean, I know people

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Speaker 1: say Trump exceeds his authority and his boundaries, and even

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Speaker 1: I say that from time to time as well. But

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Speaker 1: that's what people want political expedients, and you're that's going

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Speaker 1: to not necessarily near to our collective benefit down the

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Speaker 1: road if it has to continue.

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Speaker 2: And they want leadership. They want leadership out of the House,

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Speaker 2: the Senate, and the White House. And again, a lot

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Speaker 2: of things we don't like the President's dealing with tariffs,

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Speaker 2: but you know, Mike Johnson and John Thune, we need

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Speaker 2: leadership from those bodies to really put these things through.

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Speaker 2: And again, this is not a discussion we should be

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Speaker 2: having because Democrats support this, Republicans support this. This should

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Speaker 2: have been done a long time ago. And you know,

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Speaker 2: hopefully listen, I don't want to be too much on

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Speaker 2: Pollyanna here, but it's the end of the year. They

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Speaker 2: are bringing this back for a vote on the floor,

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Speaker 2: so maybe maybe we'll see some movement.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was getting ready to point a finger at

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Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson because he has the power and authority to

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Speaker 1: either bring something for a vote or not. That's why

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Speaker 1: we talked about the discharge petition before because it takes

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Speaker 1: that authority out of his hands. But at least he

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Speaker 1: is bringing this for a vote, is what I'm understanding.

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Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right, and listen, I've been critical of

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Speaker 2: Speaker Johnson too, but hopefully, you know, this is one

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Speaker 2: thing he can get right.

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Speaker 1: I would hope so we could use some bipartisanship, especially

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Speaker 1: along these lines. How's this looking in the Senate? Comparable

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Speaker 1: perspective in the Senate that it's bipartisan support?

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Speaker 2: It is? It is. We do have bipartisan support it

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Speaker 2: in the Senate also, and I think really now it's

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Speaker 2: a matter of timing because times, you know, the clock

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Speaker 2: is ticking on the end of the year. So fingers

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Speaker 2: crossed on this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's not a strategy. Dave, keep up the

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Speaker 1: great work. I certainly appreciate what you're doing at the

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Speaker 1: Taxpayer protect Alliance, and again I'll encourage my listeners to

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Speaker 1: bookmark your web page Protecting Taxpayers dot org. Until we

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Speaker 1: talk again, I doubt it's before the end of the

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Speaker 1: year because I'm off after the twenty third, but looking

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Speaker 1: forward to another series of discussions in the next county

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Speaker 1: your Dave.

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Speaker 2: Have a wonderful Christmas, you and your family.

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Speaker 1: Right back at you, my friend. Merry Christmas to you

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Speaker 1: and everybody at the organization seven forty six, right now

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Speaker 1: at thirty five KRC