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Speaker 1: Heyo five. You're a fifty five CAROSD talk station. Bryan

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Speaker 1: Thomas switching everyone a very happy MLKA Junior Day. Welcoming

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Speaker 1: to the fifty five Carsey Morning Show. Jeffrey Stevens. Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Stevens an author a probably you've probably read his books.

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Speaker 1: Amazon best selling, Pencraft Award winning author of the Jordan

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Speaker 1: Sander thrillers. Several of those targets are deception, targets of opportunity, targets,

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Speaker 1: revenge and rogue, mission the Anthony Walker Murder mystery, Crimes

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Speaker 1: of Passion, the Pencraft First Place Award winning novel Fools

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Speaker 1: Aaron and Nicholas Reagan thrillers plural, the Handler and its

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Speaker 1: sequel enemies among us. It lives in New York. He's

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Speaker 1: successful attorney, been practicing for decades and of course a

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Speaker 1: truly successful author. Welcome to the fifty five Cars Morning Show,

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Speaker 1: Sir Jeffrey Stevens, to talk about your new book, Illusions

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Speaker 1: of Trust. It's a pleasure to have you on the

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Speaker 1: particle Happy to Illusions of trut Let me first ask you.

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Speaker 1: This book involves a gentleman by the name of Russell Palmer,

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Speaker 1: who's described as an idealistic attorney, and I guess the

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Speaker 1: book kicks off with a client coming into his office.

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Speaker 1: It sort of suggested like it's a film noir novel

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Speaker 1: or something, you know, the detective with the shit with

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Speaker 1: the mysterious client it comes in. But then there's all

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Speaker 1: this Yeah, all this intrigue. I'm a huge film noir fan,

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Speaker 1: by the way, all this intrigue and all these characters

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Speaker 1: that you you know, be developed their characters in the

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Speaker 1: book has typically done. But I was kind of curious,

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Speaker 1: is this going to be another series? Are we looking

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Speaker 1: forward to a Russell Palmer series books like you have

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Speaker 1: with the other ones Jordan Sander and others.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is, it's the short answer. Yes, I've already

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Speaker 2: got one in the can and I'm working on another one,

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Speaker 2: and so yes, we're going to roll out some more

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Speaker 2: Russell Palmer and Robbie White.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. All right. Now, since you're a been practicing law

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Speaker 1: for decades, I'm wondering if this was inspired by well,

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Speaker 1: something that happened actually in your practice, or is this

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Speaker 1: whole cloth a creation?

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Speaker 2: No, no, completely completely. You know, after years of writing

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Speaker 2: these espionage thrillers in a couple of other things. I

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Speaker 2: felt that I should look back at my legal career

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Speaker 2: something worthwhile. And years ago I handled the celebrity divorce

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Speaker 2: and I thought, boy, that would be a nice centerpiece

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Speaker 2: And that's what we've done. So it was a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun to write. A lot of the characters are

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Speaker 2: based on people that I knew back in my New

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Speaker 2: York City days, and the New York City itself is

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Speaker 2: a character in the book. If you will, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's so many things. Just like Cincinnati, there are certain

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Speaker 2: it's the restaurants and bars and so forth, and so

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Speaker 2: they all play a part with the characters in the book.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, what you're you're the title of the book,

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Speaker 1: Illusions of Trust? What are you suggesting about that? Are

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Speaker 1: we getting something wrong about trust? Or is this just yes, okay, okay, that's.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what That's exactly what I think. As my pr

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Speaker 2: lady at Ascott Media said, she came up with the

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Speaker 2: tagline that trust is the most dangerous illusion of all

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Speaker 2: and it's true and part of part of the noir

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Speaker 2: aspect of the book is that justice is not for

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Speaker 2: the rich. The rich by themselves justice and so where

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Speaker 2: mister and Missus America deal with the court system. And

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Speaker 2: I was listening to your previous guest, who was fantastic,

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Speaker 2: the way, but you know, the rich, they get fancy lawyers,

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Speaker 2: And I won't name famous names like the Clintons for example,

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Speaker 1: And Attorney Jeffrey Stevens, since you write about an attorney

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Speaker 1: in this book, we're referring to here today illusions of trust.

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Speaker 1: I have to point out something that I've pointed out

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Speaker 1: I couldn't litigate myself out of a paper bag right now.

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Speaker 1: But it is expensive. And going back to your idea

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Speaker 2: It's insane, big boys do now. I live in Connecticut now,

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Speaker 2: but I was originally a New York guy. And so yes,

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Speaker 2: Because this kid, he found out did not have access

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Speaker 2: that's what it's about.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I guess we can call that karma coming

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Speaker 2: In so far as that is concerned, I would say

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Speaker 2: so I was not a Rob Reiner fan politically, but

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Speaker 2: just an awful thing. And yes, you're right, karma is

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Speaker 2: you know what?

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Speaker 1: So it is indeed, And you have the host of

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Speaker 2: You see right through me, mister Thomas. It's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I come by the way. I come from the thesis

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Speaker 2: So there is no shortage of villains in this book,

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Speaker 2: while they're reading about things that are truly are topical

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Speaker 1: Well, use this attorney, that's the principal character in the book,

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Speaker 1: Russell Palmer, you described as an idealistic attorney, you know,

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Speaker 1: has with the trust issues, the illusions of trust, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very much so. And particularly because his mentor is

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Speaker 2: Robbie White, who is a retired NYPD detective who's years

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Speaker 1: I guess I have to wonder, is this a sort

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Speaker 1: dealing with nefarious types in the real world. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering why so many people are willing to trust

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Speaker 1: And going back to me this said, I've been struggling

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Speaker 2: And by the way, not everything you just said is accurate,

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Speaker 2: Why are they defending them and going up against law enforcement?

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Speaker 2: It just makes no logical sense. Yeah, some of them

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Speaker 2: what they're saying.

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Speaker 1: True. And then amazing go back to Clinton and Obama

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Speaker 2: But that's that's what's so, that's what's so mind twisting

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Speaker 2: I mean, they picked their heroes very oddly.

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Speaker 1: As my opinion, they do, and I can't let that

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah, yeah, you're so right, Jeffery, right. I just

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Speaker 2: I know he says stupid things. Okay, I got that,

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Speaker 2: But what he's doing is fantastic. But he's not a uniter. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: we need somebody. I don't know who. It will be

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Speaker 2: you know, you know what this may we are all

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Speaker 2: is a mess. I've never seen this in my lifetime,

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Speaker 2: even during the Vietnam War, because during the Vietnam War

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Speaker 2: everything Trump does. These amazing If Trump found the cure

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Speaker 1: They would incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, since you mentioned Vietnam, don't forget we had

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Speaker 1: scenes forget about that, we lived in much more dangerous times.

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Speaker 1: Pivoting over from January sixth, they blew up the Senate bathroom.

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Speaker 1: That seems to be a step above anyway, Jeffrey Stevens.

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Speaker 1: We were all over the place. The book Illusions of Trust,

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Speaker 1: which is on my blog page fifty five Carsee dot

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Speaker 1: com fantastic. It will be another best seller. For my

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Speaker 1: guest today, Jeffrey Stevens, it's been a real pleasure talking

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it, and I enjoyed it. And my

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Speaker 2: wish for everybody in twenty twenty six is that we

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Speaker 2: engage in random acts of kindness, do something good for

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Speaker 2: and make the world a better place.

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Speaker 1: Amen, well, stated Jeffrey Stevens. We'll get your book. It's

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Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five Carosee dot coms. Take

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Speaker 1: care of my friend. We'll be talking against.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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