1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,639 Speaker 1: We do it every single Wednesday. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 2: We get together with our buddy pastor Chad, the lead 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: pastor at the Horizon Community Church in Newtown, right on 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: the banks of the Little Miami River. 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: Good morning, sir, How are you today? 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing great. How about yourself? 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Doing all right? 8 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 3: Little rainy day, but had some wonderful crisp fall days 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: coming up to usn't night last couple of weeks. 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it looks like we're gonna have some good 11 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: ones over the weekend after some rain today and tomorrow 12 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: and clearing up apparently tomorrow night. You know, in the 13 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: news a lot lately, and there was a big story 14 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: that's on going up in Waynesville, Ohio about a man 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: who's been an administrator there, a coach for forty seven years, 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: or an athletic director, and now all of a sudden, 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: people sort of I guess, for lack of a better term, 18 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: coming out of the woodwork some thirty plus years later 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: about inappropriate behavior. Whether it's true or not, we don't know, 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: but it is an ongoing big story in Waynesville, and 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: it brings to mind the role of not only coaches 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: but also parents. And you know, let's start with parents 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 2: because I heard a lengthy, uh. 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: What's a word, a sermon for lack of a better term. 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: I think it was from Chip Ingram the other day 26 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: talking about, you know, structure in the household and closest. 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: So so let's start with parents. 28 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: It seems to me a lot of the parents that 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: I'm around right now, Chad Hoban want to be a 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: friend of their kids. Can parents be friends of their 31 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: young kids? 32 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: Well, I guess it depends on how you define friendship. 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 3: I mean, when I first had my kids, when I 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: were first born, my vision statements for my parenting was 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: a fifty year friendship with my kids. However, that doesn't 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: mean every stage you're accommodating to them or acting like 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: they are moral equal. But my goal is to raise 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: kids who would be you know, responsible adults, would have 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: the tools they need for that and have the emotional 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 3: closeness so that we would have a fifty year friendship. 41 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure it's either or. But if you 42 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: define friendship as a lack of structure, a lack of discipline, 43 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: that I'd say you're missing out. It was a study 44 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: in Minnesota years ago called the Minnesota Study, and they 45 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: rated on an X and Y axis. What's needed for parenting, 46 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: for coaching, for mentoring, in any relationship, and that was 47 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: structure on the Y axis, and it was emotional closeness 48 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: on the X axis. And strangely, they found that parents 49 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: and coaches who had high emotional closeness I care about you, 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: I love you, I appreciate you, they had all emotional 51 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: closeness but no structure, no discipline, no calling to account, 52 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: no accountability. Strangely, the parents who had the most emotional 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: closeness but the least amount of structure, without any at all. 54 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: On the other side, they raised the most insecure kids, 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: which you think would be the oppoctity. Now, the other 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: contrast was those who had high discipline. I'm not listening 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: to your perspective. Your voice hasn't heard. I'm not trying 58 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: to understand the whole side, but just discipline, discipline, discipline. 59 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: I'm the authoritarian, I make the rules and you obey it. 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: Those parents raise the most rebellious children because they had 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: all that structure. But the minute that structure was gone, there, 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 3: out of there. And it's actually a little verse in 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: the Bible that says where the law increases, sin increases 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: even more. And you've probably see in your own life. 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 3: You're walking along on a path, suddenly see a sign 66 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: that says stay off the grass. I wasn't even thinking 67 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: about stepping on the ground. Show that I see the sign, 68 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, maybe I want to. So really, the 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: key is not rules for rule's sake, But how do 70 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: you teach principles? I would say all the time, I 71 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: got a little inner rebel in me. I've never found 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: a rule I didn't want to break, but a principle 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: I don't want to love. So part of coaching and 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: part of parenting is trying to teach this principle behind 75 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: this application is so important. It's important to your life. 76 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: It's going to serve you well. And so what we 77 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: want to do we want to combine emotional closeness and 78 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: the structure and discipline because those who actually combine both 79 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: of those raise the most secure children. And same thing 80 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: in a boss situation, you say, wow, my boss Ray 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: loves me, But man, this place is run an incompetent way. 82 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: People getting away with murder around here, and there's no accountability. 83 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: What you're calling for is some degree of structure increase. 84 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: Other times you have a boss or situation where it's like, man, 85 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: you know this place is run well, but I think 86 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm a cog in the wheel. No one cares about me, 87 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: No one asks about me, No one ever says anything 88 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 3: nice about my contribution except the once a year when 89 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: I do an annual review. So how do we combine 90 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 3: both those things? And I think if you are a 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 3: person who's been coached, you realize the benefit of coaching. 92 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: You know, whether your parent died well or coached well, 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: or the other side, you weren't coached well, or you 94 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: weren't parented well, you felt a deficit of that. Man, 95 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: you know what I want to do better than what 96 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: was trusted to me. That's really what a coach does. 97 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: It creates a whole environment in a family, all environment 98 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: in an area of your company. Who can't control the 99 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: whole environment in your department, you see, I want to 100 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: coach people who can coach people to coach people. I 101 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: think about like a parenting. I want to coach my 102 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: kids so they end up being able to coach my grandkids, 103 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: so they can coach my great grandkids. It's a culture 104 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: of humility, it's a culture of teachability. I mean, I'm 105 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: been a public speaker now for I don't know, forty 106 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: five years if you take the time back when I 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: was on stage and doing plays and stuff to be 108 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 3: a professional communicator, and every week I have six people 109 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: critique me because I watch my videos every single week, 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 3: because I want to be communicating and doing my best 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: work next week, next month, next year, not last week, 112 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: last month. But that requires humility. It's not well, you know, 113 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: I've got a covered bob. You know I've learned a lot, 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: but other people are going to see things I don't see. 115 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean I always jump at all the feedback on 116 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: hundred percent, but I want to be open to feedback. 117 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 3: I want to be open to other perspectives so that 118 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: I can be my best by having the proverb in 119 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: the Bible says iron sharpens iron, we need other people 120 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: to sharpen us unless we get dult. 121 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: You know one word, and I've read that Minnesota study, 122 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: one word that seemed to creep into the conversation quite 123 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: a bit. That seemed to be, if not the most 124 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: important word in all of that. Now, I'm going to 125 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: talk specifically for a second and ask you about parenting 126 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: has to do with the word obedience and how you know, look, 127 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: you're trying to raise your kids, and look, whether you're 128 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: a deeply spiritual person or not, is to get them 129 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: to understand. And this is where we see in society 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: so frequently now where either parents aren't doing it, parents 131 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: aren't around, and all of a sudden, kids just don't 132 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: understand the importance of obedience as they are growing up. 133 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: And then perhaps from a more spiritual standpoint than obedience 134 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: to how they live. 135 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: Is that fair? I think it's very fair. 136 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: In fact, I always say, you don't break God's laws, 137 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: you discover them in the same way. It's not just 138 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 3: spiritual things, but you don't break the law of gravity. 139 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: You discover the law of gravity when you think a 140 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: step off of a building, and so the same way. 141 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: If a child doesn't learn that there is structure and 142 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: there's truth, and there are things that you need to 143 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: submit subordinate yourself too, then you're going to be in 144 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: trouble because hey, I finally got rid of mom and dad. Well, 145 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: you still got a landlord. I've covered my landlord. Well, 146 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: I guess, but you still have roommates, you still have 147 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: a boss, you still have These are principles that apply 148 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: in every area of life. And if you think you 149 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: can circumvent reality like the hang glider can temporarily circumvent gravity, 150 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: but you're eventually going to go down. And so you 151 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: want to say, I'm teaching my children how to deal 152 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: with life. Part dealing with life is dealing with truth. 153 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: The part dealing with truth is understanding I need to subordinate, 154 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: subordinate myself to the truth here. And so as a parent, 155 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: you want to teach first time obedience. Yes there's a 156 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: place for negotiation. Yes there's a place for appealing and 157 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: what we can talk about that too as a parent, 158 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: but we need to start with if dad or mom 159 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: tells you to do this, I want your first thing 160 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: you say is I'm going to do it. I'm going 161 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: to call you to first time obedience. Now, of course, 162 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: none of us are really good at that head and 163 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: that's why as a parent, you're a teacher. And I 164 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: think a lot of people think of themselves as you know, 165 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 3: generals or drill sergeants's parents. But the primary role you 166 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: want to see yourself as a teacher. So if your 167 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: child is not giving first time obedience, how can I 168 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: teach them that? How can I show what the consequences 169 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: that they don't, but also lovingly teach what it looks like. 170 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: Then also say, now, when you're characterized by first time obedience, 171 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: there is a place to respectfully disagree, but we don't 172 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: teach that either. How what does it look like to 173 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 3: respectfully disagree? Well, after you say, dad, i'll do it, it's 174 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: okay the next day an hour later to come up 175 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: and say can I talk to you about something dead? 176 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: Or even in the phrases we taught our kids is 177 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: can I appeal? Sometimes answer is no, you can't, that's 178 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: not on this one. Yeah, other times it's yes, you 179 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: can appeal on this one, I'm willing to listen. I'll 180 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: give it a second. 181 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: Listen. 182 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: And many times I came back and changed my mind. 183 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: I came back and apologized by the way I handled 184 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: it because I wanted to demonstrate to my kids not 185 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: only do I want them to be teachable, but I 186 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: want to be teachable, And so I think you can 187 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: combine both those things. The question you want to ask 188 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: yourself as a parent to coach a boss is am 189 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: I living an imitatable life? Like when people see how 190 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: I'm leading, how I'm acting, how I'm parenting, But your 191 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: kids say, you know, Dad's not perfect, but he owns 192 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: it when he's not. That's an imitatable life and that's 193 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: what a coach does. 194 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: All right. 195 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: Before I let you go, though, I want to ask 196 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: you. You know, we get into vicious cycles, right, you know, 197 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: over and over. Okay, let's it's him for a second. 198 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: That you were a kid who didn't grow up with 199 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: a lot of these things. Maybe you didn't get a 200 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: lot of love, Maybe you didn't have a lot of structure. 201 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: How do you change that so when you become a 202 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: parent it's different. 203 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I just read a great story the 204 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: other day about the movie Maverick with Jodie Foster and 205 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: Mel Gibson, and mel Gibson kind of lost his temper 206 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: on set and and Jody tooka is this good chemistry? 207 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: I After you saw Maverick? 208 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: It was pretty cool. 209 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: A little movie with James Gardner. And he gets all 210 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: upset and he comes back to the next shot and 211 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 3: he knew he'd stepped in it. And he bought her 212 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: some flowers and he wrote her a note and he said, 213 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: I was raised by a man who taught me to 214 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: fight first, but I'm trying to be a better man, 215 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. There's somebody who acknowledges I didn't come with 216 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: all the tools I needed, and certainly mel Gibson got 217 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 3: the whole train wreck of bad decisions. But he's trying 218 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: to make progress. And I think that's what you want 219 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 3: to do as a parent, to say it's not perfection. 220 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: I'm pursuing progress. And I tell you that grace goes 221 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: a long way. When you come back and your kids 222 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: for the first time, I'm in a long time here, 223 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: you say, you know what, I could have handled that better. 224 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: So like, oh my goodness, the klophone is going off 225 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 3: and my dad's answering it. The kluphone is shrinking, and 226 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 3: my mom answered it. Same thing you think with your kids. 227 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: You're like, oh my goodness, the son the klophone has 228 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: been ringing for like six months and it's founding on 229 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: your door. It's going to be painful if you don't 230 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: pick it up. So again, you want to model the 231 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: same thing. It's okay to say I'm not good at this. Guys, 232 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: you know I'm not good at this. You watch me 233 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: every day. But I want to at least be better 234 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: at this. And you'd be amazed at the forgiveness and 235 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: grace people give each other when they realize you're at 236 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: least trying to aim in the right direction. 237 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: Great stuff as always, Pastor Chad Hoven. Can't thank you 238 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: enough for your time and hope you have a great 239 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: rest of your week and UH and thanks as always, sir, 240 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: Great talking. 241 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 3: To you, sounds good talking a 242 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: Pastor Chad Holen always great talking with him, always incredible wisdom.