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Speaker 1: supposed to hear from A. W. R. Hawkins. Yesterday got

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Speaker 1: our lines crossed a little bit, but we get him

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Speaker 1: better late than never, and that's today. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend, AWR Hawkins. It's always a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on, talk about guns and gun laws.

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Speaker 2: Good to be Withicky, buddy. I'm glad we worked it

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Speaker 2: out today.

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Speaker 1: Oh me too, because you know the main reason I

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Speaker 1: got a brag, Awr. I got a brag on my

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Speaker 1: most recent acquisition. You're ready, Yes, Staccato C two with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a remarkable pistol right there. You can shoot

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Speaker 2: like that with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful it is. I just had to brags. There,

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Speaker 1: we go, get it out of my system. Pivoting over,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you're want to start, so I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to ask you. You know, we can disagree with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, we can agree with him, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: But bad advice. You can't walk in with guns. You

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Speaker 1: can't have guns, he said the other day. You can't

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Speaker 1: walk in with guns. Now he was upset. This of

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Speaker 1: course relates to the shooting on Saturday, and that optics

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Speaker 1: on that one are terrible regarding Alex pretty But everybody

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Speaker 1: is entitled to their Second Amendment protections, and I would

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Speaker 1: argue that being in a dangerous environment like a violent protest,

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Speaker 1: license lawfully carrying firearm owner might want to have his

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Speaker 1: the event of something going crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I would assess I would have said

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Speaker 2: a law enforcement level, because I always worry about someone

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Speaker 2: in a crowd like that. People are bumping, bumping, bumping,

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Speaker 2: bumping against you. Someone feels a gun, some lunatic and

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Speaker 2: grab it. But I think, I think something else, Brian.

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Speaker 2: That's this is the benefit of us having one day.

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Speaker 2: You and I were supposed to be together yesterday now

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Speaker 2: instead of today, and in that day we've learned. As

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Speaker 2: you know that Alex pretty had a confrontation with law

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Speaker 2: by law enforcement. So that again, when you know all that,

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Speaker 2: Trump's Statement's not that crazy because if the guy had

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Speaker 1: Those questions remain. And I'm the kind of guy that

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Speaker 1: know now, because it's circumstance driven use of deadly force.

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Speaker 1: Everything, right, because you judge use of reasonable force based

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Speaker 2: and you know, you expect the left to be hysteria

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Speaker 1: And it was rumors circling on the internet far and

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Speaker 2: I agree with you on that one hundred percent. I

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Speaker 1: Well, and the lever of vitriol and rhetoric that's out

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Speaker 2: Will pull ICE out. Blah blah blah. That's the last

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Speaker 2: That would be my message. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: And that's going to be a terrible day. Well, it is,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the Left is always looking for martyrs.

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Speaker 1: I really think that they want Donald Trump to declare

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Speaker 2: Right, well, you know what, Yeah, Now, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if they

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Speaker 2: you had that ag candidate in your state, Yeah, making

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Speaker 1: Yes, and he said I am going to kill Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: You of course refern Ohio Democrat Attorney General candidate Elliott

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Speaker 1: Forehand came out and said that. Then he had to

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Speaker 1: backput a little bit by qualifying and said, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: due process, resulting in a sentence duly executed of capital punishment. Now,

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Speaker 1: forun didn't bother saying what specifically makes Donald Trump eligible

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Speaker 1: for capital punishment? But he didn't kind of qualify it,

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Speaker 1: saying it will be pursuing to due process. But he

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Speaker 1: the original statement. I'm with you, man, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how a guy can legitimately even be considered a candidate

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Speaker 1: for office if he says I Am going to kill

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Speaker 1: Donald per Trump. Most notably given the history Donald Trump's tried.

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Speaker 1: Two people try to assassinate the man, right, but the left.

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Speaker 2: Is unhinged, and you know they're just unhinged. So you know,

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Speaker 2: God bless Donald Trump, God bless Ice, and I do

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Speaker 2: hope we get twice as many deportations today as we

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, hey real quickly, just want to run this

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Speaker 1: one by you. Representatives Queasy Fumi and Bonnie Watson Coleman

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Speaker 1: announced this past week that they're reintroducing legislation to limit

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Speaker 1: online sales of ammunition and forcing people to show a

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Speaker 1: photographic ID and which must be verified in person. How

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Speaker 1: do you view AMMO restrictions. I mean, I know you're

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Speaker 1: not in favor of them, a w are, but if

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Speaker 1: you basically have eviscerated the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 2: Right. I think this is something that well, number one,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have a snowball's chance. It's not going to pass,

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Speaker 2: but I won't even get a vote. But number two,

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Speaker 2: survive the scrutiny of Bruin. But this is one of

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Speaker 2: those deals where see they put this in. Now it's

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Speaker 2: a thousand round limit. Oh, this is reasonable. It's a

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Speaker 2: thousand round limit. And then the next congressional, the next

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Speaker 2: congress with the Democrat majority, comes in and says, well,

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Speaker 2: it's still a little dangerous out there. We're going to

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Speaker 2: lower the five hundred rounds, and then the next congress

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Speaker 2: we're going to lowder to two fifty. Once you let

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Speaker 2: I think, well, I know I told you our editor

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Speaker 2: to do so. And it's got to always be that way,

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Speaker 2: so that the criminal knows, well, if I go after him,

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Speaker 2: he might kill me. And that is how it has

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Speaker 2: to work. That's right.

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Speaker 1: And going back to these crazy protests, if everybody was armed,

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Speaker 2: Outh. Well, I do believe what now, I just want

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Speaker 2: to say, I do believe you've made a point that

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Speaker 2: we don't have time to discuss. Now, that is incredible,

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Speaker 2: But these leftists are very bold, and they act like

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Speaker 2: I don't really believe they're thinking about don I think

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Speaker 2: they believe that officers and everyone else are so restrained

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Speaker 2: think there is a point in what you've said that

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Speaker 2: the law abiding citizen brings a message, and the message

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Speaker 2: to the criminals is it's not worth it. It is

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Speaker 2: not worth it, no.

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Speaker 1: Question about it. And before we part a couple, they

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Speaker 1: just have to make a real quick point of a note.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the exactly the Ammalban early in

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Speaker 1: the program. Sean, who's covering for Joe Strucker as producer

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Speaker 1: of the program this morning, and I went out to

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Speaker 1: the range and I said this thousand round?

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Speaker 2: What the hell?

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Speaker 1: I said, Sean, how many brings? How many rounds did

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Speaker 1: you and I shoot in that hour or so that

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Speaker 1: we were at the range? He said five hundred. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: exactly one day, an hour in time, five hundred round's gone.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing, and it's so arbitrary. Well, one thousand, only

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, a thousand sounds like a lot. Two Democrats, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know those people.

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Speaker 1: A thousand is a lot, someone told me earlier. For

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Speaker 1: rich people have a collection, poor people have an arsenal.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it boils down to just that.

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Speaker 2: A W. R.

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Speaker 1: Hawkins, I love your stuff, man, I read all of

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Speaker 1: what you write over at Breitbart Breitbart dot com for

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Speaker 1: my listeners book market. You'll be glad you did a

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Speaker 1: w are you stay well? Be safe on the range

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Speaker 1: and thanks for the safe handling Holster comment earlier. I

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Speaker 1: embraced that and encourage my listeners to look into that

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Speaker 2: It is the right thing to do. Well, thank you

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Speaker 2: and listen. Have a great day, buddy. Good to be

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, sir. You do the same right now.

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