WEBVTT - HR 2 - Phil Bourque Talking Penguins 

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<v Speaker 1>I've given you my big-picture take on what happened Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>at Akershire Stadium, why I'm so high on that Browns win.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just getting revenge on Cleveland for what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland a month earlier. It wasn't just the Jared

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<v Speaker 1>Verst situation. It wasn't just the fact that they won

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<v Speaker 1>27-6 and have won four in a row and managed

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid a pitfall for an entire month, which pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much never happened in the Mike Tomlin era. All those

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<v Speaker 1>things were really good, and if you want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about them, you can at 833-412-7000. 99 39 but it

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<v Speaker 1>was also the manner in which the Steelers won they

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<v Speaker 1>won being the kind of team that they are built

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<v Speaker 1>to be right now and they won being the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of team they've tried to be for so many years

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<v Speaker 1>It's been forever since the Steelers were really about running

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<v Speaker 1>the football, stopping the run, and getting after the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>They fancied themselves as such for the past month. That's

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<v Speaker 1>been exactly what they've been, and it's turned their season

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<v Speaker 1>around to the point now that they're in solid playoff

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<v Speaker 1>position and may be looking at an 11 or 12

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<v Speaker 1>win season and a two or three seed in the AFC.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I'm saying all that out loud, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is all possible, and it's all good. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>were a few things from the game yesterday against the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns that did drive me a little bonkers. Yeah, some

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<v Speaker 1>of it was the officiating, and we can talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that some more if you like.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me give you three.

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<v Speaker 1>Things that I think need to be talked about coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of that game against Cleveland that were areas of concern,

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis for improvement, or just generally things that got under

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<v Speaker 1>your skin watching the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with all the fans who booed the offense

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<v Speaker 1>off the field when it flubbed that goal line sequence

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<v Speaker 1>in the second quarter. You were right to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was allowed to do it in the press box,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have done the same thing. Rodgers threw an

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<v Speaker 1>ill-fated fade pass to DK Metcalf for an incompletion on

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<v Speaker 1>first down. He threw another incompletion on second down, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Warren got stuffed on third down.

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<v Speaker 2>The Steelers had to settle for a.

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<v Speaker 1>Field goal to make it 10-0 to end a drive

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<v Speaker 1>that consumed 86 yards over 7 minutes and 13 plays.

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<v Speaker 2>They deserved more than that. They cut themselves off you-know-where.

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<v Speaker 2>And they deserve more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>They did it to themselves, the offense did. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the offense, I mean the collective offense. McCarthy, Rogers, whoever's

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<v Speaker 1>in charge, they want to share blame. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>share credit.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is blame here on this one. The Steelers

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<v Speaker 1>were running it down Cleveland's throat. No need to throw

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<v Speaker 1>on first and second down. They did it anyway. Bad choice.

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<v Speaker 1>I hated that sequence. Pittsburgh also stalled out in the

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<v Speaker 1>red zone on its next possession and relied on another

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<v Speaker 1>Boswell field goal from 37 yards. That kept the Browns

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<v Speaker 1>to the 10 points instead of it being 17-3 with

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<v Speaker 1>just over three minutes left in the half. Number two,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the defense got a little too soft too

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<v Speaker 1>soon at one point. I hated the defensive sequence immediately

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<v Speaker 1>after that second Boswell field goal, the one that started

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<v Speaker 1>with 319 left in the first half. The defense had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to get off the field on Cleveland's 32

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<v Speaker 1>at the two-minute warning, but Watson completed a 24-yard attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to Casey Concepcion on a third and three. Watson moved

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<v Speaker 1>the Browns to the Pittsburgh 32. Then he got sacked

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<v Speaker 1>by Watt for an eight-yard loss. But the Steelers let

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<v Speaker 1>that Harold Fannin tight end, who occasionally seems to drive

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<v Speaker 1>them crazy, he got nine yards on the next snap,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kicked a field goal from 49 yards out,

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<v Speaker 1>and that pulled Cleveland within 13-6. I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of bad things to say about the defense after yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>That sequence made me a little bonkers. And the third

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, I talked about this with Matt Williamson. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure some Steelers fans are going to disagree with this.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pat Bush touchdown worked at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>first half, but just because they scored doesn't make it

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<v Speaker 1>the right move. You know, sometimes that happens. Something can

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<v Speaker 1>work out. It doesn't mean it was smart to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That was too heavy of a bet to make with

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<v Speaker 1>no timeouts remaining and only five seconds of the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Just kick the field goal there and make it a

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<v Speaker 1>two-score game. Not only do the Steelers gamble those three

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<v Speaker 1>surefire points, but the Browns would have gone in the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room with a ton of momentum, and had they

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<v Speaker 1>stuffed that play, who knows how things go from there.

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<v Speaker 1>The risk-reward for that decision just was not worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's talking about it because it worked out and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems so simple, but, If you don't even walk

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<v Speaker 1>away with three there after having allowed yourself to only

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<v Speaker 1>settle for three the last two times in the red zone,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're all pulling our hair out at halftime

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<v Speaker 1>and that third quarter has a very different tone.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you agree with.

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<v Speaker 1>Any of those points to complain or you think that

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<v Speaker 1>I missed some, let me hear it at 833-412-9939. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a couple other big picture things that are talking

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<v Speaker 1>points coming out of that game. Like, I know some

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<v Speaker 1>people are upset about how Fannin went off. People worried

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<v Speaker 1>about covering the tight end. I don't think it's that

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<v Speaker 1>big of a deal. You can't take away everything. They

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<v Speaker 1>were much better against Judkins this time around. They were

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<v Speaker 1>much better against the rookie wide receivers. They attacked the

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<v Speaker 1>line of scrimmage and got after Watson better. The pass

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<v Speaker 1>rush was significantly better. You can't stop everything all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt to me that like at times last year,

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<v Speaker 1>The Browns are really reliant on Fannin. He's a good

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<v Speaker 1>tight end. He's not going to make me forget about

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Kelsey. So if they've got to start with him

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<v Speaker 1>as the best option, and he gets you for 154,

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<v Speaker 1>you can live with that.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a good game.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see it as a chronic problem that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to kill the Steelers down the line. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that was brought up, and this is a much bigger question,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is something that does concern me, is the

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver stuff. The DK Metcalf dropped the bobble that

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<v Speaker 1>turned into an interception.

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<v Speaker 2>That was maddening.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, the lack of wide receiver production is

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<v Speaker 1>something that isn't just a one-off against Cleveland. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been a problem for a while now. The passing game

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't look particularly dynamic. Their chunk plays seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>all about what Jalen Warren gets or what Rico Dowdle

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<v Speaker 1>gets or what Darnell Washington gets because people get so

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<v Speaker 1>enamored of just looking at how big he is, they

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<v Speaker 1>forget to actually cover him, and you get what you

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<v Speaker 1>get yesterday. You know, Washington had a great day. Friermuth

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<v Speaker 1>made some big plays. And, of course, the running backs

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<v Speaker 1>were there to swing for the fences. You can't count

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<v Speaker 1>on huge chunk plays from the running backs all the

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<v Speaker 1>time in every game.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Not something you can rely on, even though Warren seems

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<v Speaker 1>to keep making it happen and good for him. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked this question online because I put out a

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<v Speaker 1>poll earlier to start the show and we've gotten some

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<v Speaker 1>response on it. Let me load it back up here

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<v Speaker 1>and give you an update on where it stands. I asked,

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers have nine games left after their bye. How

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<v Speaker 1>many will they win? 46% of you, so almost half

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<v Speaker 1>of you said they'll win five. 32% of you said

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<v Speaker 1>they'll win six.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's five.

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<v Speaker 1>I get why some of you might say six at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, because the back half of the schedule has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten soft. And then it's equal balance when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to those who are on the lunatic fringe, optimist, lunatic fringe, pessimist.

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<v Speaker 2>Those of you saying that they're going to win at

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<v Speaker 2>least seven games.

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<v Speaker 1>11%, those of you saying that they're going to only

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<v Speaker 1>win four games or fewer, 10%.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny how that works out, that there's just as many.

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<v Speaker 1>There's 10% of people in each way saying it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be really, really bad from this point on, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be even better than what we just saw.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine it being much better than what we

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<v Speaker 1>just saw. They needed to get to six. They got

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<v Speaker 1>to six. I don't necessarily feel like this is a

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<v Speaker 1>team on the ascent of I feel like this is

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<v Speaker 1>a team where it's supposed to be. We all said

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<v Speaker 1>at the bye, they better have five or six wins.

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<v Speaker 1>They got their six wins. They won these four games

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<v Speaker 1>in a row that they had to win after the

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<v Speaker 1>drop of a game in Cleveland, which has just become

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<v Speaker 1>an annual horror show for them.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like, I look at what they did as a

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<v Speaker 2>positive correction.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see it as portending like they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep winning and go on a 9-10-11 game win streak

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<v Speaker 1>going up towards Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>Again, 833-412-9939.

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<v Speaker 2>And I followed up that question by also asking.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're somebody who thinks, if you're in that minuscule percentage,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're someone who thinks that they're going to only

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<v Speaker 1>win maximum four games and they're going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>10-win team again at the end of the year, what

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<v Speaker 1>is concerning you the most?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the lack of wide receivers?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the second half schedule is actually

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<v Speaker 1>harder than it appears right now on paper? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>the past reliance in the red zone that's driving everybody crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it that this team is going to age poorly

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<v Speaker 1>into December? Are you mad that they didn't play Renegade? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are of the mind that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>have some unfettered, unrestricted optimism, but something's holding you back,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it? Is it something I just mentioned, or

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<v Speaker 1>did I miss it? So I'll get to some of

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<v Speaker 1>the responses here. This guy actually says he's glad the

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<v Speaker 1>Steelers went for it at the end of the half.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomlin never would have gone for it. Rather see them

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<v Speaker 1>take a risk, unlike for the last 20 years. Generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that sentiment. I just felt like that

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<v Speaker 1>one was too much, given the circumstances. And the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the defense was playing well enough that you could

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<v Speaker 1>trust them if you just got three, that things weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to go haywire. This guy, Yinzergear, says if they

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<v Speaker 1>stop throwing exclusively and lean on the run game inside

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<v Speaker 1>the 10, I can see it. If they keep throwing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take the under. Yeah, I'm not thrilled with their

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<v Speaker 1>goal line performance either. I don't like what their approach

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<v Speaker 1>is in the red zone. I'm counter to the notion

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<v Speaker 1>of run, run, run all the way down the field

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<v Speaker 1>and then let Rogers try to throw in the end

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<v Speaker 1>zone to get his or try to force DK Metcalf

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<v Speaker 1>into having some sort of imprint or impact on the

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<v Speaker 1>game by way of trying to get him a six

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<v Speaker 1>yard touchdown. Like he should be impacting the game more

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<v Speaker 1>by catching balls 41 yards down the field. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>one that was well-crafted for him yesterday that he dropped

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<v Speaker 1>and bobbled into an interception. This guy, Ed, says it's

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<v Speaker 1>the receiver's 100%. The defense went into a positive step yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it was just yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the defense started with that game against Indy

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<v Speaker 1>when they mimicked what they did the year before and

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<v Speaker 1>they took one of the best running backs in the

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<v Speaker 1>league and shut him down in Jonathan Taylor. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it started there, and then the pass rush came

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<v Speaker 1>back a little bit against Tampa. It was hard to

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<v Speaker 1>generate a pass rush while shutting down the run against

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, but they did it enough to hold them

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<v Speaker 1>to 10 points. And then yesterday, they crushed Deshaun Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looked like that game a couple years ago

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<v Speaker 1>where they had seven sacks and they could have had 17.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy, Rich, apparently thinks that the second half of

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<v Speaker 1>the schedule is going to be more difficult than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>giving it credit for. He says there will be losses

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bengals, Denver, Jacksonville, and at the Ravens.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see it. Sure, they could lose all those games.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's one, though, that I swing out of that

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<v Speaker 1>to say that they only have three losses on the

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<v Speaker 1>back half, it's the Broncos game. I know the Broncos

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<v Speaker 1>are winning enough as it is right now. They're leading

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<v Speaker 1>their division. Jacksonville is playing pretty well. In the South,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to be a tough game to

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<v Speaker 1>win on the road on Monday Night Football. Regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>the situation, you know, they lost to DTR and the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns for crying out loud. They could lose at the

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<v Speaker 1>Ravens just because it's Baltimore and you can still split there.

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<v Speaker 1>And this Bengals return game is going to be tough,

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<v Speaker 1>just like it was a tough return game for Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>to try to win here. The Denver game, they really

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<v Speaker 1>should win. And I know Denver's a good team. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're worried about the coaching matchup with Peyton, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a short week.

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<v Speaker 2>A road game for the Broncos. It's Black Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you really want to spend Thursday Thanksgiving in Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 1>and then have to play a game on Black Friday

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<v Speaker 1>in Pittsburgh? That feels like a way to soften up

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<v Speaker 1>the Broncos. If you get that game one o'clock on

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunday or 425 on a Sunday or a Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>night or something like that. Yeah, I could see that

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<v Speaker 1>being a really tricky putt.

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<v Speaker 2>Them coming here.

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<v Speaker 1>On a Friday after not getting to spend Thanksgiving with

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<v Speaker 1>your family or in the cozy confines of your home,

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<v Speaker 1>that strikes me as an.

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<v Speaker 2>Advantage for the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I'm going to pick one game out of

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<v Speaker 1>those four and say they really should win it, even

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<v Speaker 1>though we're looking at the road Ravens game with potentially

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<v Speaker 1>no Lamar Jackson, I'm still going to say it's that

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<v Speaker 1>Bronco game. Again, you can call 833-412-9939 or tweet me

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<v Speaker 1>giving it to Jared Verse here. You should hear what

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<v Speaker 1>is a Twitter about the Steelers situation going into the

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<v Speaker 1>bye and we'd love to see the same level of

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<v Speaker 1>excitement over some Penguins wins too. Hopefully they get back

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<v Speaker 1>to that. Thought they were on the way there with

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<v Speaker 1>that Utah game. Yeah, what a gut punch that was.

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<v Speaker 1>against Montreal and much, much more surrounding.

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<v Speaker 2>The world of hockey. My God, you see that goal

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<v Speaker 2>that McDavid scored. Oh, that was filthy. Man, that speed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he skates on rails, and he's just moving

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<v Speaker 1>at a different speed than everybody else. Jeff is calling

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<v Speaker 1>from Virginia to talk about Stiller optimism.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Jeff. You're on 105.9 The X.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Tim. How you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think the big thing with the optimism of

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<v Speaker 6>the football team, and I'll tell you what, just moving forward,

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<v Speaker 6>when they're going to have to go to a young

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<v Speaker 6>quarterback is the offensive line. They have really, I think

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<v Speaker 6>from the first two weeks when they were really struggling,

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<v Speaker 6>they have really made some tremendous strides. With that in

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<v Speaker 6>defensive line as well, I mean, if you can run

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<v Speaker 6>the football and stop the run like they are, you're

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<v Speaker 6>going to keep yourself afloat. One thing I'd like to

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<v Speaker 6>see moving forward, though, and they did this a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of times yesterday, they need to start using play action

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<v Speaker 6>a lot more. If you're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 6>run the football like that, you've got to really take

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<v Speaker 6>advantage with some play action shots. You hit Friar Muth

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<v Speaker 6>a wide open down the seam. I should have had

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<v Speaker 6>a huge play with DK. That's the recipe for success.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something I talked about a lot going into the

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<v Speaker 1>saints game that the Steelers, despite the fact that their

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<v Speaker 1>run game was starting to blossom and nobody except, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was two teams that had play action run

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<v Speaker 1>against them more than new Orleans. The Steelers were a

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<v Speaker 1>team that was third from the bottom and, when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to trying play action passes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why that is. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the numbers have been the last two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they tried it once or twice against the Saints,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 2>That should be more of a part of their game.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they're having trouble beating man coverage, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>makes people wait, think, stop for a second, and just

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<v Speaker 1>create some confusion in the secondary game.

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<v Speaker 2>For the opposing team. I'm with you. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>see more play action.

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<v Speaker 1>I've said that for years, but I think because the

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<v Speaker 1>run game is as effective as it is, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>that element to it baked in, so use it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right on that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I just think the– I know McCarthy has background

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<v Speaker 6>in West Coast offense, but that is just not with

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<v Speaker 6>the receivers that they have. I mean, DK already is

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<v Speaker 6>a train wreck to begin with. you have got to

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<v Speaker 6>start trying to exploit him down the field because him

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<v Speaker 6>running slants and all this underneath stuff is just not

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<v Speaker 6>a part of his game. I'm not even really sure

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<v Speaker 6>what his part is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and the frustrating thing is, and thanks for the call, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>because the frustrating thing is, for how many years do

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<v Speaker 1>we sit around and say, oh, the Steelers can find

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<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver anywhere. The Steelers can find a wide

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<v Speaker 1>receiver anywhere. Look at where they got Heinz Ward. Look

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<v Speaker 1>at where they got Antonio Brown. You know, they got

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<v Speaker 1>Cedric Wilson off the scrap heap to help him win

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<v Speaker 1>a Super Bowl. They got this guy from this random spot,

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<v Speaker 1>that guy from that random spot. You know, they got

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<v Speaker 1>Martavis in the fourth round. They got Juju whenever it was.

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<v Speaker 1>They used the second round, but it was however many

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<v Speaker 1>wide receivers were taken before him. And He was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be their third guy, and he got elevated to

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<v Speaker 1>their one, basically, by the end of that season.

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<v Speaker 2>Antonio flipped out about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time he turned around, there was another narrative about

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<v Speaker 1>how the Steelers were beating the system with their wide receivers. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it was right around then when they overvalued Juju and

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<v Speaker 1>what he was capable of being. that you know it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like things started to take a turn chase claypool

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<v Speaker 1>oh they didn't have a first round and they found

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<v Speaker 1>claypool in the second round he scored eight touchdowns in

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<v Speaker 1>the first nine weeks everybody thought they had their next

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<v Speaker 1>great guy and he fell off a cliff so it's

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<v Speaker 1>frustrating that you know i talked about reputation before that

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<v Speaker 1>the reputation the steelers has always been they run the

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<v Speaker 1>ball to stop the run they get after the quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot over these last five, six years as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the playoff drought, the playoff wind drought that

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<v Speaker 1>they're on right now. We keep saying that, and it

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been as true nearly as often as we say it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what makes these last four wins feel so good,

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<v Speaker 1>is that they're winning the way we remember the Steelers winning,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're winning in a manner that they have to

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<v Speaker 1>win for the team in the way that it's assembled. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>like to that last guy's point, I'd love for them

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little bit more space-age on offense. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love for them to be a little bit more dynamic

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<v Speaker 1>on offense and not have to rely on Jalen Warren

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<v Speaker 1>deking and juking and running around guys and spinning people

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<v Speaker 1>like a top 30 yards down the field, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to happen against better teams and better defenses.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to find some more organic passing game designs,

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<v Speaker 1>receivers getting open, and the quarterback finding them down the

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<v Speaker 1>field to get your big chunk plays. It can't always

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<v Speaker 1>be about hoping that your running back stays healthy for

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<v Speaker 1>17 weeks and can pop off 51 yarders or 8

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<v Speaker 1>yarders like he was doing a couple weeks ago against

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<v Speaker 1>the Colts. That can't be a card you continually think

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<v Speaker 1>you can play all the time. The offensive line thing

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<v Speaker 1>you talked about, yeah, the strides that they've made running

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, the run blocking has been fantastic compared.

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<v Speaker 2>To where it was for the first two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Take those first two weeks out of it, and this

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<v Speaker 1>has been a fantastic year running the football. And it

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot better when they made the changes on

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<v Speaker 1>the right side. I don't think it's coincidence. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was worried about what the pass protection might look like yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>but it got better in that department too, like what

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Williamson was saying about Troy Foutownu. I thought, in general,

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<v Speaker 1>the pass protection was a lot better. I think Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>got hit twice. Now, granted, he didn't drop back a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but more than he needed to. He still only got

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<v Speaker 1>hit twice. And verse was quiet as a church mouse

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<v Speaker 1>because of it so yeah credit to the offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>and the development there the next thing that needs to

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<v Speaker 1>develop is the passing game from the quarterback out phil

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Bork joins us right now on 105.9 The X

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Benz with you filling in for Mark Madden. All

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow night against the Vegas Golden Knights at 7 o'clock. Borky,

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<v Speaker 1>before we start talking Pens, I gotta ask you about

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<v Speaker 1>that Connor McDavid goal and his season so far to date.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen a guy skate like him stylistically?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, his speed is something else, but the style

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<v Speaker 1>with which he skates is so unique. And boy, did

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<v Speaker 1>it manifest on that goal last night, 50 seconds into

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<v Speaker 1>the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good to be on with you, Tim. And the

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<v Speaker 3>answer is, to the first part of your question, no.

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<v Speaker 3>To the second part of your question, no. I've never

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<v Speaker 3>seen anybody skate like him or stylistically skate like him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we used to marvel at the Russian rocket, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Pavel Bure, right? Even Mike Gardner, it seemed like at

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<v Speaker 3>times he had rockets coming out of his backside, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Those were some of the elite players, you know, 30

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<v Speaker 3>years ago. This guy is different. And you can say

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<v Speaker 3>what you want about Nathan McKinnon, but Nathan McKinnon is

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<v Speaker 3>more like a.

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<v Speaker 3>More like a stallion, right? He's a little more like

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<v Speaker 3>a fast Clydesdale. He's so heavy, you can hear his

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<v Speaker 3>blades cutting into the ice. He also goes Mach 1.

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 3>And then there's McDavid, right? And you're right, he has

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:12.470
<v Speaker 3>such a skating style. it reminds me of some National

0:22:12.950 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Geographic shows I used to watch. Remember those frogs that

0:22:17.100 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 3>used to just run on top of the water and

0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 3>they had kind of these big webbed feet and they

0:22:22.180 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 3>would just go a million miles an hour on top

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 3>of the water? If you don't know what I'm talking about,

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:27.680
<v Speaker 3>just Google it and you'll be like, oh yeah, that

0:22:27.700 --> 0:22:30.879
<v Speaker 3>totally makes sense. Yeah, his skating style is so unique.

0:22:31.140 --> 0:22:34.790
<v Speaker 3>He's not a big guy. He's kind of wiry, but

0:22:35.270 --> 0:22:38.310
<v Speaker 3>the way he's able to snap his ankles and create

0:22:38.450 --> 0:22:41.340
<v Speaker 3>so much speed because he's he's almost running. It's not

0:22:41.380 --> 0:22:44.200
<v Speaker 3>like I took power skating, Tim. And it, it, it

0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.360
<v Speaker 3>doesn't compute in my head as far as a power

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:52.100
<v Speaker 3>skating teacher showing you how to stride. It's not like

0:22:52.140 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 3>Connor McDavid at all. And then when you have the

0:22:54.460 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 3>mind in the hands going as fast as the feet,

0:22:58.100 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 3>you've got what you've got. It's, it is, it's, it's,

0:23:00.780 --> 0:23:02.869
<v Speaker 3>I watch it over and over again. I'm like, Oh,

0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.430
<v Speaker 3>did they just speed that up? Did somebody like hit a,

0:23:05.770 --> 0:23:10.010
<v Speaker 3>you know, times three button? No, it's normal speed. It's, Seriously,

0:23:10.070 --> 0:23:13.470
<v Speaker 3>it's the closest thing we've ever had in the NHL

0:23:13.910 --> 0:23:14.790
<v Speaker 3>to superhuman.

0:23:15.550 --> 0:23:18.649
<v Speaker 1>I think you make a good differentiation there in how

0:23:18.770 --> 0:23:23.010
<v Speaker 1>speed looks. Like, Sid and McKinnon, Sid at the height

0:23:23.050 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of his speed when he was first breaking into the league.

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:27.580
<v Speaker 2>McKinnon, like you described, is a stallion.

0:23:27.619 --> 0:23:29.860
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good way because there's a gallop

0:23:30.380 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to what McKinnon does. With McDavid, it's like rod hockey,

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.379
<v Speaker 1>except he changes direction. Like, you can just push the

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.550
<v Speaker 1>rod forward as fast as you want to, but he

0:23:41.630 --> 0:23:45.930
<v Speaker 1>also changes direction. It's like a Porsche built really low

0:23:45.950 --> 0:23:48.350
<v Speaker 1>to the ground that has all sorts of handling, can

0:23:48.750 --> 0:23:51.830
<v Speaker 1>take every curve and bend in the road. It's bizarre.

0:23:51.869 --> 0:23:53.650
<v Speaker 1>It's like nothing I've ever seen before. And then that

0:23:53.790 --> 0:23:57.780
<v Speaker 1>self-pass to get himself going between to beat two guys.

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.659
<v Speaker 2>But what do I care about the goals? He's got

0:24:00.660 --> 0:24:03.939
<v Speaker 2>30 assists in 15 games. It's ridiculous.

0:24:05.090 --> 0:24:07.629
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he has definitely– and over the last– look at

0:24:07.650 --> 0:24:11.070
<v Speaker 3>his numbers over the last couple of years. He's not

0:24:11.090 --> 0:24:14.429
<v Speaker 3>twice as many, but almost twice as many assists as goals.

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's at that point now. But I guess

0:24:17.500 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 3>when you have a guy like Dreisaitl on the wing

0:24:20.540 --> 0:24:23.179
<v Speaker 3>almost 90% of the time you're on the ice, you're

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.500
<v Speaker 3>looking for that guy because he's a pure goal scorer.

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:29.380
<v Speaker 3>But he's also an elite passer, too, on his forehand

0:24:29.420 --> 0:24:33.680
<v Speaker 3>and backhand. But just real quick on McDavid, for most

0:24:33.740 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 3>guys that can skate fast, it seems like the wires

0:24:36.980 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 3>get a little bit crossed the closer they get to

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.530
<v Speaker 3>the net, right? And you see this great chance. And

0:24:41.550 --> 0:24:43.990
<v Speaker 3>then once they're on top of the goalie, it like

0:24:44.050 --> 0:24:46.210
<v Speaker 3>rolls off their stick or they shank their shot or

0:24:46.230 --> 0:24:50.500
<v Speaker 3>it just doesn't manifest into a goal. For Connor McDavid,

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.510
<v Speaker 3>if he gets by that D-man, probably 90% of the time,

0:24:54.530 --> 0:24:56.090
<v Speaker 3>it's in the back of the net. And that's what

0:24:56.109 --> 0:24:58.710
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about. Like, the mind and the hands can

0:24:58.770 --> 0:25:01.150
<v Speaker 3>keep up with the feet, which that doesn't make sense

0:25:01.190 --> 0:25:04.090
<v Speaker 3>to me. I get you can be fast with your feet,

0:25:04.470 --> 0:25:07.149
<v Speaker 3>but for your hands to keep up with that is

0:25:07.190 --> 0:25:07.930
<v Speaker 3>really something special.

0:25:07.970 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>No, you're right, because, you know, there are some guys

0:25:09.820 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>who are like that of Penguin's lore. Like, you know,

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.500
<v Speaker 1>Konstantin Koltsov, if the boards weren't there, he would have

0:25:15.540 --> 0:25:16.859
<v Speaker 1>wound up on Fifth Avenue.

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:17.700
<v Speaker 2>You know, like he was.

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.140
<v Speaker 2>Marty Strzok at times just.

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 1>he figured it out eventually, but especially when he was young,

0:25:24.100 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, he was a guy that could skate like,

0:25:25.700 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, a demon right up on top of the goalie.

0:25:28.260 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>And then it took a little while for him to

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>figure out and get the puck in the net. But,

0:25:31.700 --> 0:25:34.300
<v Speaker 1>you know, eventually he did that. So I know the

0:25:34.340 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 1>guys that you're talking about, but he's just a different

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 1>breed right now, McDavid, and he's tons of fun to watch.

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.300
<v Speaker 2>Do you think this is their year, Edmonton?

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 3>When you say their year, you must be talking about

0:25:46.580 --> 0:25:47.700
<v Speaker 3>stealing the cup, right? Yeah.

0:25:48.740 --> 0:25:48.900
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:25:49.340 --> 0:25:53.770
<v Speaker 3>Um, Listen, it's the same equation in 1991-92 as it

0:25:53.830 --> 0:25:57.690
<v Speaker 3>is in 2026. Do you have the star power? Yes.

0:25:58.290 --> 0:26:01.490
<v Speaker 3>Do you have the foot soldiers that can dig their

0:26:01.609 --> 0:26:04.500
<v Speaker 3>oars a little deeper in the water when games get really,

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.979
<v Speaker 3>really important? They've got some guys. I'm not convinced they

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 3>have the guys. Here's the last part of the equation. Again,

0:26:11.619 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 3>same as 35 years ago as it is right now.

0:26:14.260 --> 0:26:16.550
<v Speaker 3>Do you have the goalie? Do you have the goalie

0:26:16.950 --> 0:26:19.669
<v Speaker 3>that can win you a game? Not necessarily win you

0:26:19.710 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 3>a series. but could win you a game to get

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 3>you through a series. That's where the giant question mark

0:26:25.100 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 3>is for me. Listen, you can play the wheels off

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:31.100
<v Speaker 3>of 97 and 29, Dreisaitl and McDavid. What, are you

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.360
<v Speaker 3>going to play these guys 25 minutes every single night, Tim?

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.449
<v Speaker 3>What the hell are they going to have left in

0:26:35.490 --> 0:26:39.530
<v Speaker 3>May and June? So I guess that's a long-winded answer

0:26:39.670 --> 0:26:43.510
<v Speaker 3>to your question that, no, I don't see him winning

0:26:43.550 --> 0:26:45.870
<v Speaker 3>a Stanley Cup at Edmonton. As good as they've been

0:26:46.250 --> 0:26:48.949
<v Speaker 3>so far... I just don't see it happening. And the

0:26:48.970 --> 0:26:50.410
<v Speaker 3>biggest thing, they don't have the goalie.

0:26:52.190 --> 0:26:54.830
<v Speaker 1>Do the Penguins have their goalie of the future in Murashov,

0:26:54.850 --> 0:26:56.330
<v Speaker 1>or are you starting to question that?

0:26:56.350 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm not questioning it. I'm feeling for him. I feel it,

0:27:06.500 --> 0:27:09.740
<v Speaker 3>you know, because I know how special of a talent

0:27:09.780 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>he is. But not having a win this year, I'm

0:27:13.619 --> 0:27:17.510
<v Speaker 3>sure weighs on him. And you've heard the interviews, Tim.

0:27:17.550 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 3>You've interviewed him. He's a very smart guy. And I

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.540
<v Speaker 3>just think this is not something he's ever experienced. I mean,

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.379
<v Speaker 3>you can go on Hockey TV. You can go on

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.140
<v Speaker 3>Elite Prospects. Look at his numbers. Ever since he was

0:27:31.180 --> 0:27:34.580
<v Speaker 3>a Bantam, his numbers are, his goals against is under two.

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:38.070
<v Speaker 3>His save percentage is over 930. And he just wins

0:27:38.270 --> 0:27:42.409
<v Speaker 3>everywhere he's been, except for right now. And so it's

0:27:42.470 --> 0:27:44.890
<v Speaker 3>really tough for me to give you comments and or

0:27:44.910 --> 0:27:48.640
<v Speaker 3>a grade. on Sergey Maryshev, just because I feel like

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:53.490
<v Speaker 3>he's absolutely under siege. The amount of quality chances against

0:27:53.550 --> 0:27:57.210
<v Speaker 3>him are just way too many. Now, with that being said,

0:27:58.150 --> 0:28:01.710
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of quality chances against Artur Shilov, too,

0:28:01.790 --> 0:28:04.389
<v Speaker 3>and Shilov is just making one or two more saves

0:28:04.410 --> 0:28:08.260
<v Speaker 3>right now. So, again, that's just a crappy answer to

0:28:08.300 --> 0:28:12.169
<v Speaker 3>your good question, but I just feel like Patience is

0:28:12.190 --> 0:28:16.300
<v Speaker 3>the key here, but also communication and making sure you

0:28:16.340 --> 0:28:19.220
<v Speaker 3>keep the spirits up high. And at the end of

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.180
<v Speaker 3>the day, if I'm a player in front of Sergey Marashov,

0:28:22.580 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking myself in the mirror and going, damn it,

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I got to be way better. I got to motivate

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 3>my guys, my teammates to be better in front of

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.330
<v Speaker 3>this guy. And let's get this guy a W.

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm more of the opinion that if there's an

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.220
<v Speaker 1>X factor right now, it's not that the quality of

0:28:39.300 --> 0:28:43.060
<v Speaker 1>competition is too high for him. I think the quality

0:28:43.100 --> 0:28:46.420
<v Speaker 1>of play in front of him has been so substandard

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.900
<v Speaker 1>that it just has to get better. And that's where

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.180
<v Speaker 1>the variance will eventually kick in.

0:28:52.380 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 6>Exactly.

0:28:52.900 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Does he have the ability to win a game by himself?

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he does.

0:28:57.980 --> 0:29:02.460
<v Speaker 3>But again, now his confidence is little chinks. He's human.

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 3>I know at times he seems not robotic, but he

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 3>seems like he's just really... got everything together. And when

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 3>you go through what he's going through right now, where,

0:29:13.900 --> 0:29:16.530
<v Speaker 3>you know, I, I, I think it's what, 15 goals

0:29:16.570 --> 0:29:19.190
<v Speaker 3>against 16 goals against in his last three games, something

0:29:19.230 --> 0:29:22.790
<v Speaker 3>like that. Again, he's human. It's going to take a

0:29:22.810 --> 0:29:27.130
<v Speaker 3>little bit of a chink out of your armor. And so, yeah, I,

0:29:27.250 --> 0:29:30.350
<v Speaker 3>I think it's really important time. to keep him real

0:29:30.390 --> 0:29:33.500
<v Speaker 3>then and keep him confident and keep him believing that

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 3>there's better times coming. I know he's a guy that

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 3>really believes in himself, a very confident without being cocky

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.620
<v Speaker 3>type of guy. But I think he needs to be

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:47.260
<v Speaker 3>surrounded by a lot of positiveness, if you will, because

0:29:47.300 --> 0:29:49.620
<v Speaker 3>he's a special, special talent and you don't want to

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 3>damage that with the way things have gone early on

0:29:52.700 --> 0:29:54.959
<v Speaker 3>here as far as the Penguins defensive structure.

0:29:56.540 --> 0:30:01.140
<v Speaker 1>Borky, the game against the Canadians, the calendar turning to November,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.290
<v Speaker 1>a goal and two assists for Sid, is that the

0:30:04.330 --> 0:30:06.490
<v Speaker 1>game that kind of gets him going this season?

0:30:08.350 --> 0:30:10.710
<v Speaker 3>You always look for things like that, right? Because we've

0:30:10.730 --> 0:30:15.300
<v Speaker 3>seen it before. Yeah, it's a puck drop, right? The

0:30:15.340 --> 0:30:18.260
<v Speaker 3>way he put the puck in his skate and then

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.420
<v Speaker 3>laid out a big hit on Gooley. I mean, that's

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:26.230
<v Speaker 3>a monster shift. That's a statement shift. And so... We'll

0:30:26.250 --> 0:30:29.390
<v Speaker 3>see tomorrow night. I mean, Vegas in town here tomorrow night.

0:30:29.410 --> 0:30:33.110
<v Speaker 3>They're playing in Boston tonight. And so I think Sid

0:30:33.290 --> 0:30:35.810
<v Speaker 3>sees where we are in the standings. We're not that

0:30:35.850 --> 0:30:38.300
<v Speaker 3>far away from dead last in the Eastern Conference. We've

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 3>got to figure this out really quick because with two

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 3>more games in the regular season, 84 instead of 82,

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 3>that means the number's going to go up as far

0:30:47.340 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 3>as the wild cards, right? So in the past, it's

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.940
<v Speaker 3>been anywhere from 96 to 98. It might take 100

0:30:52.940 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 3>points now, Tim, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist

0:30:56.460 --> 0:30:58.740
<v Speaker 3>to figure out the math of how many points the

0:30:58.770 --> 0:31:01.970
<v Speaker 3>Penguins have now, how many games, 70 games left, and

0:31:01.990 --> 0:31:04.310
<v Speaker 3>how many points they're going to need to get at

0:31:04.370 --> 0:31:06.970
<v Speaker 3>least 100 to get into the playoffs. Sid knows that.

0:31:07.410 --> 0:31:10.190
<v Speaker 3>And so with that being said, they've got to start

0:31:10.470 --> 0:31:14.130
<v Speaker 3>stringing some wins together. And you've got two tough games

0:31:14.170 --> 0:31:17.130
<v Speaker 3>coming up against Vegas and Boston. And then you go

0:31:17.150 --> 0:31:18.870
<v Speaker 3>on the road and you play the three California teams.

0:31:18.930 --> 0:31:21.469
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, you're going to need Sid playing like you

0:31:21.490 --> 0:31:24.780
<v Speaker 3>did in Montreal the other night. But at the end

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 3>of the day, this isn't golf, tennis, or lawn darts.

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 3>It's a team game, and they need a lot of

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:33.180
<v Speaker 3>other guys. It just can't be 39-year-old Sidney Crosby being

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 3>the guy to carry the Penguins to a win. They

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 3>need a lot more guys digging their oars in deeper.

0:31:39.570 --> 0:31:41.090
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bring up the schedule. I was going to ask

0:31:41.130 --> 0:31:44.170
<v Speaker 1>you about that. You know, looking at the Knights and

0:31:44.210 --> 0:31:46.630
<v Speaker 1>seeing where they are in the Pacific, that makes sense

0:31:46.670 --> 0:31:48.530
<v Speaker 1>to me. We just talked about how great the Oilers

0:31:48.590 --> 0:31:50.210
<v Speaker 1>are to start the season.

0:31:49.830 --> 0:31:51.830
<v Speaker 2>And maybe a little bit of an anomaly.

0:31:51.850 --> 0:31:53.370
<v Speaker 1>I mean, one thing that I would imagine would come

0:31:53.410 --> 0:31:55.050
<v Speaker 1>back to earth for them, they haven't lost on the

0:31:55.110 --> 0:31:55.590
<v Speaker 1>road yet.

0:31:55.650 --> 0:31:56.380
<v Speaker 2>They're 7-0.

0:31:56.710 --> 0:31:59.750
<v Speaker 1>They got 14 out of 14 points, 7-0-0 on the road.

0:31:59.790 --> 0:32:02.930
<v Speaker 2>So, like, that'll calm down. But what about Boston?

0:32:02.970 --> 0:32:06.620
<v Speaker 1>Like, getting 21 points in 15 games, how has that

0:32:06.700 --> 0:32:07.580
<v Speaker 1>come to be so far?

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.620
<v Speaker 3>Goaltending, number one. Jeremy Swayman is having an unbelievable year

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 3>so far. Marco Sturm is a really, really good coach.

0:32:20.060 --> 0:32:22.830
<v Speaker 3>In fact, as a broadcaster, I get a vote for

0:32:22.850 --> 0:32:25.450
<v Speaker 3>the Jack Adams, which is coach of the year, and

0:32:25.590 --> 0:32:27.450
<v Speaker 3>I gave a vote to Marco Sturm. I just think

0:32:27.470 --> 0:32:29.690
<v Speaker 3>he's a hell of a coach, and when you look

0:32:29.730 --> 0:32:33.110
<v Speaker 3>at that lineup, you're like, how are they doing it, right?

0:32:34.050 --> 0:32:37.250
<v Speaker 3>Their star players are playing really, really good, and they're

0:32:37.290 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 3>just really playing like a team, and when They need

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 3>a goal from a third or fourth line guy, they're

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 3>getting it. When they need a goal from one of

0:32:43.290 --> 0:32:45.070
<v Speaker 3>their top guys, they're getting it. And when they need

0:32:45.130 --> 0:32:47.470
<v Speaker 3>a save from their number one goalie, they're getting it.

0:32:48.350 --> 0:32:51.170
<v Speaker 3>And even their number two goalie is– now there's a

0:32:51.190 --> 0:32:53.370
<v Speaker 3>little bit of good vibes, right? There's a little bit

0:32:53.830 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 3>of a mojo going on right now, and everybody's starting

0:32:57.380 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 3>to say, oh, wait a minute here, this is something special.

0:32:59.940 --> 0:33:01.500
<v Speaker 3>It reminds me a little bit of what the Penguins

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 3>did early on last year, where they didn't blow people

0:33:04.220 --> 0:33:07.380
<v Speaker 3>out of the water with their lineup, but everybody was

0:33:07.460 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 3>chipping in when needed– and it gave them a pretty

0:33:10.340 --> 0:33:12.620
<v Speaker 3>good record in the month of October last year, 8-2-2,

0:33:12.900 --> 0:33:15.940
<v Speaker 3>and the Boston Bruins are doing the same. That's a

0:33:16.020 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 3>well-oiled machine, and they're really tough on home ice, and

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<v Speaker 3>Vegas will have all they can handle tonight against the

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<v Speaker 3>Spoke B.

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<v Speaker 1>What challenges, speaking of coaches, do you think are facing

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Mews right now? He had the, I will say

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<v Speaker 1>it this way, he had the advantage of being a

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<v Speaker 1>new voice in his rookie season.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, there was to an 8-2-2 start a season ago,

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<v Speaker 1>What challenges most face him right now as a coach

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<v Speaker 1>in his second year?

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<v Speaker 3>How to get this team to buy in on defensive

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<v Speaker 3>hockey on a consistent basis. How they get back to

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<v Speaker 3>believing they can still generate offense from strong defensive play.

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<v Speaker 3>How to make them have more urgency. When I say defense,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about in three zones because defense isn't just

0:34:07.410 --> 0:34:09.930
<v Speaker 3>in the defensive zone. And defense isn't just in the

0:34:09.969 --> 0:34:12.750
<v Speaker 3>neutral zone. Defense starts in the offensive zone. And part

0:34:12.790 --> 0:34:15.950
<v Speaker 3>of defense is managing the puck and not turning the

0:34:15.969 --> 0:34:18.170
<v Speaker 3>puck over when you don't have to or you're not

0:34:18.330 --> 0:34:20.989
<v Speaker 3>forced to. There's just too much of that. And so

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<v Speaker 3>he's in his handful right now because not only does

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<v Speaker 3>he need everybody to start clicking in because it's not

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.149
<v Speaker 3>a good enough team. It's not a... a good enough

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<v Speaker 3>constructed team to have four or five guys locked in.

0:34:36.050 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 3>They need everybody locked in. And so that's a challenge

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<v Speaker 3>not to motivate them, Tim, because if you've got to

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 3>motivate players at the NHL level, then beat it, hit

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 3>the bricks, you're in the wrong league. So it's not

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<v Speaker 3>motivating guys, but it's getting them to all commit and

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<v Speaker 3>buy in on a consistent basis. Number one, number two,

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned, there are some guys that are not, really

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<v Speaker 3>close to their A or B game, and they're struggling

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<v Speaker 3>with their C game right now. And how do you

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<v Speaker 3>get those guys to get the confidence and get back

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<v Speaker 3>to what got them to be a Pittsburgh Penguin? And

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<v Speaker 3>so he's got his hands full right now. And Dan knows,

0:35:14.090 --> 0:35:17.610
<v Speaker 3>and you can't deliver that message with any kind of

0:35:17.750 --> 0:35:20.260
<v Speaker 3>panic in your voice, but you have to walk that

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:25.620
<v Speaker 3>tightrope of stroking that urgency without it being too over

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<v Speaker 3>the top. It's very challenging right now for Dan Mews.

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<v Speaker 2>Borky, I appreciate the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a great call on Tuesday and Thursday here on

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<v Speaker 1>The X for the home games against Vegas and Boston,

0:35:37.469 --> 0:35:39.590
<v Speaker 1>and then enjoy the trip to California.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been Good Hockey Talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, Tim. Enjoyed our time together, and you're right. It

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<v Speaker 3>was Good Hockey Talk.

0:35:47.489 --> 0:35:49.790
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Phil Bork brought to us here

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<v Speaker 1>to call 811 before you dig. Even landscaping work requires

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0:36:00.980 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>brought up the 7-0-0 record for the Edmonton Oilers. The

0:36:05.180 --> 0:36:08.050
<v Speaker 1>Penguins right now, the opposite of that when it comes

0:36:08.110 --> 0:36:13.669
<v Speaker 1>to their road performance, basically, almost. 1-6-1 away from home.

0:36:13.770 --> 0:36:18.009
<v Speaker 1>They're actually 4-1-1 at PPG Paints Arena. It's how they

0:36:18.130 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>gave away a couple of those games where you said

0:36:20.420 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to yourself, boy, those would have been a couple of

0:36:22.300 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>extra nice points to have. But 1-6-1 away from home,

0:36:26.100 --> 0:36:27.850
<v Speaker 1>and now they've got to go on the road after

0:36:28.010 --> 0:36:30.850
<v Speaker 1>one West Coast trip already, to do it again against

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. Let me see if I got the order

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<v Speaker 1>right on this. I want to make sure I get

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<v Speaker 1>the order right. Los Angeles is the first game on Saturday. Edmonton,

0:36:39.170 --> 0:36:42.969
<v Speaker 1>the second game on Sunday. Then San Jose on Wednesday

0:36:43.190 --> 0:36:47.009
<v Speaker 1>the 11th. So two more home games Tuesday, Thursday at

0:36:47.050 --> 0:36:49.690
<v Speaker 1>PPG Paints Arena. Then they're not back at home again

0:36:49.710 --> 0:36:52.570
<v Speaker 1>until Saturday the 14th against Ottawa.

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<v Speaker 1>We played for you all the soundbites from Jaquan Brisker

0:37:33.810 --> 0:37:39.089
<v Speaker 1>and Jalen Warren ripping on Jared Verse. Brisker ripping on

0:37:39.130 --> 0:37:46.300
<v Speaker 1>Deshaun Watson. Well, you know, Jared Verse, all things being equal,

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:50.259
<v Speaker 1>is probably getting it here in Pittsburgh less than he

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:54.469
<v Speaker 1>is in Cleveland right now. Like, he's getting skewered in Cleveland,

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.210
<v Speaker 1>and rightfully so, because, well.

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.060
<v Speaker 2>You talk like that, you don't come through.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one thing for the fans in the other town

0:38:02.610 --> 0:38:03.850
<v Speaker 1>to get on your back, but now you've got to

0:38:03.890 --> 0:38:08.090
<v Speaker 1>go home and face everybody in your own hometown. Like, okay,

0:38:08.230 --> 0:38:13.410
<v Speaker 1>here's what was said on ESPN in Cleveland with Tony

0:38:13.469 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Rizzo and what he had to say about Jared versus

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:21.140
<v Speaker 1>one tackle performance against the Steelers after all that yapping

0:38:21.180 --> 0:38:22.879
<v Speaker 1>he did leading up to the game.

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<v Speaker 5>Jared first got his ass body slammed. Yeah, keep talking, dude.

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<v Speaker 5>I tell you kids this, I've done this a long time. Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't care that he talked. I don't care that

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<v Speaker 5>he talked yet.

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<v Speaker 2>How about now?

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<v Speaker 5>Care that he talked now? No sex, and he got

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 5>his ass body slammed.

0:38:44.370 --> 0:38:46.250
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was courtesy of Mason McCormick.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I've seen this meme now that

0:38:48.219 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 1>somebody has told me has been going around where it's

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>somebody wearing number 66 in an AI generated photo slash

0:38:56.260 --> 0:38:59.990
<v Speaker 1>painting of dumping verse on his head. I think that

0:39:00.140 --> 0:39:03.110
<v Speaker 1>AI needs to be told that Alan Fanica retired a

0:39:03.130 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>long time ago. because the photo is clearly fanica wearing

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<v Speaker 1>number 66 it's not mccormick mccormick has a bald head

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<v Speaker 1>this this photo this ai generated photo is 100 percent

0:39:16.890 --> 0:39:20.169
<v Speaker 1>fanica i mean it's a good ai photo it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong 66 i'm surprised they didn't make it mario

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<v Speaker 1>all right here's another guy from the same station, ESPN Cleveland,

0:39:27.300 --> 0:39:30.460
<v Speaker 1>Emmitt Golden, ripping on Jared Verse and what he did.

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<v Speaker 4>You got to match the attitude that you bring to Pittsburgh.

0:39:35.980 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 4>Jared Verse was standing on business. We're going to make

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<v Speaker 4>Pittsburgh ours. He said that, right? And then we heard

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<v Speaker 4>from Hayward, and he said what he said. Who made

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<v Speaker 4>the bigger plays yesterday, Jarrett versus Cam Hayward?

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<v Speaker 2>Not even close. That's the difference.

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<v Speaker 4>The difference is Cam said it, stood on it, and

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<v Speaker 4>actually did.

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<v Speaker 2>Something in the game.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, where Jarrett said something, stood on it, and

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<v Speaker 4>he did push down Rodgers once.

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<v Speaker 2>He did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Other than that, you didn't see.

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<v Speaker 2>I barely even remember that, to be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And It's a good point that Cam was part of

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<v Speaker 1>a defensive line that gave nothing to the Browns in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of a run game and also provided the push

0:40:23.750 --> 0:40:25.690
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of the linebackers to make plays, and

0:40:25.730 --> 0:40:29.569
<v Speaker 1>Cam was involved in the sack as well. it was

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who play versus position on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the ball. When verse went out of his way

0:40:34.310 --> 0:40:37.030
<v Speaker 1>to say, I don't care what cam says. And even mentioned,

0:40:37.070 --> 0:40:39.450
<v Speaker 1>I go up against the offensive line. Well, is the

0:40:39.510 --> 0:40:41.460
<v Speaker 1>guys who do your job on the other side of

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:45.219
<v Speaker 1>the ball that stood out yesterday while the Browns defensive

0:40:45.260 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>front was shredded by the Steelers offensive line in the

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>run game and couldn't get after an old man quarterback

0:40:50.820 --> 0:40:53.020
<v Speaker 1>and make him the least bit uncomfortable thrown to his

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:54.969
<v Speaker 1>own receivers might've made him uncomfortable.

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I was uncomfortable watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I, That's a different form of elder abuse when

0:41:00.550 --> 0:41:02.100
<v Speaker 1>an old man tries to be that nice to you,

0:41:02.140 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 1>DK Metcalf, and you just throw it right back.

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<v Speaker 2>Into his face and turn it into a turnover. 105.9

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