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Speaker 1: All your music radio and podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Free never sounded so good.

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Speaker 3: It is the springtime of my loving Robert plan as

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Speaker 3: the line and winner and magnificently so. But the Steelers

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Speaker 3: are a nuclear winner and that's not good. On other shows,

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Speaker 3: they're trying to formulate ways for the Steelers to win

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Speaker 3: this game.

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Speaker 1: But even Cronkite is saying the war is now unwinnable.

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Speaker 3: I can't invent anything besides luck and hope, and luck

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Speaker 3: and hope are not strategies. Maybe desperation could be a strategy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's the motivator, should be the motivator. Maybe that

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Speaker 3: gets the Steelers to dig deep and try something different,

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Speaker 3: because there's never been a better.

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Speaker 1: Time to not be the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: And if they lose this game, if they lose a

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Speaker 3: third straight and then they're heading to La to play

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Speaker 3: the Chargers, who are beatable but they're better than the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: the season could really go to crap. Remember was it

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Speaker 3: a week ago? Pete Prisco a CBS said they could

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Speaker 3: lose eight or nine in a row, and we all

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Speaker 3: poop pooed that hate me too. Guess what they lose Sunday?

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Speaker 3: They could lose eight or nine in a row and

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Speaker 3: it will be more glorious than deed day I would

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Speaker 3: dance like. Well, never mind, I made my suggestions. I'm

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Speaker 3: doing my part. I'm lending my super genes to the cause.

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Speaker 3: Have Ramsey cover the tight end, Todler Warren, that's a

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Speaker 3: big ben idea. Actually come out throwing with three wide outs,

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Speaker 3: not that they have three legit wide outs. Maybe go

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Speaker 3: no huddle to put Rogers more in control. Above all,

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Speaker 3: do not force a rock fight.

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Speaker 1: You can't. You gotta play basketball like the.

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Speaker 3: Course he said, try and win thirty five thirty three

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Speaker 3: because your defense quite frankly blows goats.

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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show.

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Speaker 3: But I know that I love you, so boy planted

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Speaker 3: better with the rain song than I am doing this segment.

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Speaker 3: Dial eight three three four one two w xdx. That's

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Speaker 3: eight three three four one two w xdx, or follow

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Speaker 3: me on Twitter at Mark madden X. Let me try

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Speaker 3: that once more. But I know that I it's not

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Speaker 3: working that number again eight three three four one two

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Speaker 3: w xdx. Here's a prediction, not for the game, And

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Speaker 3: again I want your advice on this. Actually the number

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Speaker 3: is eight three three four one two wxdx. Steelers are

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Speaker 3: only three point hunderdogs, and now it's at akershure. But

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Speaker 3: Indy is a juggernaut and they are averaging covering this

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Speaker 3: year by over eleven points per game. Should I bet

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Speaker 3: a couple of dimes on Danny dimes and by that

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Speaker 3: I mean two two thousand dollars? Or should I chick

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Speaker 3: it out and bet less? Tell you what, if I

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Speaker 3: want two grand, I'd have to bet twenty two hundred

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Speaker 3: to win too grandit I'd go to party toime. That's

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Speaker 3: where they party down. You know they love the ball.

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Speaker 3: They do it in the halls right there in party time.

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Speaker 3: How do I segue from Robert Plant to Glenn Fry solo? Okay,

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Speaker 3: but here's my prediction the NFL trade deadline. That's how

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Speaker 3: you can tell it's bad radio. You just keep coming

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Speaker 3: back to teasing but never delivering. Now here's my prediction.

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Speaker 3: The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and what I'm predicting

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Speaker 3: is if the Steelers lose on Sunday, especially if they

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Speaker 3: lose by a convincing score, here's my prediction. The Steelers

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Speaker 3: will make a stupid desperation move at the deadline. That

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Speaker 3: playoff game this year. Art the Second talked about how

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Speaker 3: that was important. It's a low bar, but what if

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Speaker 3: so maybe that's just not the right song for me.

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Speaker 3: How about Plant did for the encore gallows Poll, which

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Speaker 3: And in the middle of gallows Pool he did like

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Speaker 3: how much I love Zeppelin to love Robert Plant. The

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Speaker 3: Rain song was so magnificent I cried just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It took me way back to a simpler time. I

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Speaker 3: might go see Plant in Chicago on the twelfth. Now

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Speaker 3: Steelers week, I intend to probably do exactly that. Uh, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Colts defense, I promise you'd talk about it, but I

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Speaker 3: know I did better with black Dog.

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Speaker 1: What else?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he cut loose on Ramble and that was the one,

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Speaker 3: So I can't do that. Okay, Colts defense. People are

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Speaker 3: saying the Colts defense is vulnerable, and guess what it is,

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Speaker 3: draw that's been But don't break, and when you do that,

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Speaker 3: you eventually break. Now they've played a lot of bummy quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: out there and play basketball, which is the great turn

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Speaker 3: of a phrase by de course, force a high scoring game,

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Speaker 3: don't angle for rock fight.

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Speaker 1: And I know, I know, I know way down inside.

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Speaker 3: That they're gonna try to force a rock fight because

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Speaker 3: it's what they do. This is the Steelers and this

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Speaker 3: is how we play. And it sucks and hasn't won

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Speaker 3: a playoff game in seven years going on eight. But

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Speaker 3: that coach defense, it is vulnerable, no question about that,

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Speaker 3: all right. Eight three three four one two WSDX. I

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Speaker 3: year round, technically they did forty two seasons of Ridiculousness.

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Speaker 3: Just I mean, I'm ass the days when MTV actually

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Speaker 3: played music videos. I know that this doesn't happen anymore.

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Speaker 3: attested that winger Winger the video for for seventeen. What's

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Speaker 3: Daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for me.

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Speaker 1: Writing credits to Kip Winger, Red Beach, and Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 3: People are freaking out over this year, so tell us

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Speaker 3: no matter what we do, so we might as well

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Speaker 3: have a good time.

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Speaker 1: Told got hold got.

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Speaker 3: I'm perversely excited about this Steeler game Sunday. I think

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Speaker 3: they probably get killed, But what if they don't. I

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna go for a rock fight. But what

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Speaker 3: if they do open enough? What if Rogers prods Tom

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Speaker 3: You know, thirty five thirty three, like the course he

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Speaker 3: they wanted Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: They can win playing that way.

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Speaker 3: They just don't like to, and maybe not that the

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Speaker 3: defense sucks, Maybe it's the only way they can winner.

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Speaker 3: Their best path to winning that defense it'll play decent

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Speaker 3: against bad teams, and they will still continue to beat.

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Speaker 1: Bad teams, but they really need to win this game.

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Speaker 3: To keep things even remotely on track, to get them

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Speaker 3: and they need to do it by any means necessary,

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Speaker 3: not their preferred method. They can't hold out for that.

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Speaker 3: We got Tim Benz joining us at three o'clock. The

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Speaker 3: national media is turning on the Steelers some and I'm

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Speaker 3: here for it. Here's Bart Scott on ESPN with a

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Speaker 1: Think they're payper champions, right.

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Speaker 2: They haven't played a lot of hard opponents, and listen

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Speaker 2: the way their defense is playing. They can't beat anybody

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Speaker 2: that can punch back, right, and you look at it

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Speaker 2: last week giving up three hundred and sixty yards to

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love. They can't stop the run, they can't stop

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Speaker 2: the pass. This is supposed to be the most This

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Speaker 2: is the most expensive defense in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: And you're with.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eighth in the league.

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Speaker 2: So I think that they still have to play the

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Speaker 2: Ravens twice later in the season, right, and they have

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Speaker 2: a real they have a real Bible opponent in front

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Speaker 3: Wow, pay per Champions can't beat anybody that could punch back.

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Speaker 3: And the phrase that pays, or rather the phrase that

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Speaker 3: We should never forget that that this defense sucks despite

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Speaker 3: a real viable opponent. This is the year.

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Speaker 6: I bet.

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Speaker 3: When we see this Deeler's cliches die. By year's end,

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Speaker 3: the Steelers cliches will all be dead. Like can they

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Speaker 3: to life, but I bet they don't.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the man on the road. Man on

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Speaker 1: the Road, you're on with double.

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Speaker 5: M and Mark just calling about the Colts game this Sunday.

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Speaker 5: I think Paulin's just going to try to sell out

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Speaker 5: to stop Jonathan Taylor, throw everything at him to stack

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Speaker 5: up the box, shut him down, and the Colt swide

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Speaker 5: receiver personnel. We just don't have the guys to cover

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Speaker 5: the Antonio Pierce, their third guy is probably one of

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Speaker 5: the best deep ball guys in the last ten to

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Speaker 5: fifteen years. He's crazy fast, Michael Pittman's a sub top

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Speaker 5: ten guy and Josh Downs could burn us.

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Speaker 3: I well, and don't don't forget Tyler Warren the tight

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Speaker 3: would bet instead of doing what's what's what's logical and

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Speaker 3: putting Jalen Ramsey on Warren as Big Ben has suggested,

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Speaker 3: I bet they put like the greatest cover linebacker in

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Speaker 3: the league, Peyton Wilson, or a backer or god knows

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Speaker 3: who on Tyler Warren. But it won't work unless it

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Speaker 1: Then.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers defense is so bad and deployed so stupidly.

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, man on the road, I just

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Speaker 3: don't have any confidence in the coaching staff to make

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Speaker 3: even one correct decision, and especially on the defensive side

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Speaker 3: of the football.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is this defense that we have right now

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Speaker 5: This tight on Tyler Warren is incredible. He might be

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Speaker 5: and he's probably gonna shred us for one hundred plus.

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Speaker 1: I'm Scott David sat looking for a nick just say

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Speaker 1: this is stupid. You're stupid. Thanks for coffee. The exit

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Speaker 3: Doublem on the X Steelers host Indianapolis Sunday. You can

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Speaker 1: He is Tim Bens.

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Speaker 3: Tim, what's the best bet for the Steelers to beat Indianapolis?

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Speaker 3: Because I can't see one that I would call best.

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Speaker 3: The culture really a juggernaut.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you say best.

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Speaker 4: My initial response is a replication of the Patriots game,

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Speaker 3: I will say there are those who say the Colts

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's good for.

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Speaker 4: But that's sort of where I was going with the

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Speaker 4: and see that for sure, Mark and I, you know,

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Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting how Arthur Smith talked about

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: What is it about them that gets them the sacks

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not played a lot of great quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: But but again, it feels like grasping its straw's given

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Speaker 3: What do you think is the Colt's biggest danger on offense?

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Speaker 3: How can the Steelers defense, I mean, you're not gonna

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Speaker 4: The easiest, most simple answer is they're a very good

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Speaker 4: I don't really think it's that. I just think that

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Speaker 4: And what happens when those guys play more, Mark, Oh, no,

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Speaker 4: So if he's here, I don't know how much better

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Speaker 3: I think disappointing his walk bin because he's not getting

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Speaker 4: For before, when he was, you know, five years younger,

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Tim Benz of The Trib here on

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Speaker 3: the Mark Madden Show, brought to us by Calusy Chevrolet,

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Speaker 3: serving the Pittsburgh area for one hundred and seven years.

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Speaker 3: Tim staying with Watt for one more second, I think

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Speaker 3: what should do with Garrett and Parsons do and move

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Speaker 3: around the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: I think he's predictable, and when you're.

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Speaker 3: Slowing down a bit like I think he is being

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Speaker 3: that predictable as death. I don't think you should fail,

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Speaker 3: but never change as you fail.

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Speaker 4: Agreed. And the most mystifying part of it is they

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Speaker 4: talked about it more this offseason. There's more reason to

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Speaker 4: do it in season. They have more players who can

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Speaker 4: help make it happen, because you can put her big

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Speaker 4: in there with high Smith and Watt and have him

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Speaker 4: be another threat to draw eyes, or to run games

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Speaker 4: or twists with Watt or something like that, or just

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Speaker 4: put him on the edge and put Wat in the middle,

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Speaker 4: or move him down a gap or two and have

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Speaker 4: her Big outside of him.

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Speaker 1: There's a myriad of.

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Speaker 4: Different things they can do. And even you know, Wilson

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Speaker 4: rushed a little bit more in college than what they've

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Speaker 4: had him do here, and he's not extraordinarily foreign to

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Speaker 4: doing it off the edge, if he even wanted to

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Speaker 4: surprise an offense that way. It's like they think that

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Speaker 4: because the defense is struggling now, the worst thing in

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Speaker 4: the world to do is to confuse them more and

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Speaker 4: try more new things. But I think predictability is as

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Speaker 4: much of a reason for their failure defensively as his

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Speaker 4: can fusion. So you know how they are, Mark, You know,

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Speaker 4: they keep talking about and Tomlin has for decades now

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Speaker 4: not wanting to live in their fears, but they are

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Speaker 4: so fearful of trying anything new with failure is already

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Speaker 4: what they're trying to avoid.

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Speaker 1: Why is Heismith playing more than herbig.

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Speaker 4: Deference? And I think the other thing is either they

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Speaker 4: were full of it when they told us this, or

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Speaker 4: we were full of it for wanting to believe it.

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Speaker 4: But they obviously don't think Herbig can play against the

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Speaker 4: run like they're getting run on, and they still feel

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Speaker 4: like if he went in there it would be worse.

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Speaker 4: So I just think that they were pumping his tires

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Speaker 4: in their own analysis of what we should expect from

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Speaker 4: him in the run, because that was always the thing.

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Speaker 4: Should Herbig play more, I don't know he's not so

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Speaker 4: good against the run. On the series of struggle against

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Speaker 4: the run, well, they're still struggling. He might be their

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Speaker 4: best pass rusher right now, and they're scared to put

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Speaker 4: him in there because they think that encourages the opposition

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Speaker 4: to run more so, again, it's a self defeating premise,

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Speaker 4: but they're layered with these on the defense, and we've

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Speaker 4: just outlined two or three of them.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Steelers have to be prepared to

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Speaker 3: try and win thirty five thirty three, go toe to

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Speaker 3: toe and possession for possession. Mike the course, he called

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Speaker 3: it trying to play basketball, but I know Tomin will

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Speaker 3: try to force a rock fight and thus rely on

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Speaker 3: a defense that has proven all year it can't be

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Speaker 3: relied on.

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Speaker 4: It's one of two ways. You got to go to

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Speaker 4: an extreme here. You got to be ready to take

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Speaker 4: the gloves off and you know, go in the middle

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Speaker 4: of the ring from the first bell on like you're

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Speaker 4: talking about, and be prepared for thirty six thirty five.

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Speaker 4: Or you've got to do the exact opposite and run, run, run, run,

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Speaker 4: run until Jalen Warren runs out of gas and then

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Speaker 4: you put in game well until he gets tired, then

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Speaker 4: you bring in Caleb Johnson until he gets tired, make

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Speaker 4: the game last two and a half hours, and hope

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Speaker 4: it in seventeen to fourteen in your favor. But you know,

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Speaker 4: they've even shown a propensity to get away from that,

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Speaker 4: like the first possession coming out of the third quarter

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Speaker 4: last week, after they were run the ball effectively and

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Speaker 4: Ward looked great in the opportunities that he had, and

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Speaker 4: then you know, they went past past pass to start

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Speaker 4: and it turned into a punt and we didn't really

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Speaker 4: get much run game after that because of the circumstances

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Speaker 4: that transpired there after. So they never want to go

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Speaker 4: to extremes, but in this situation, they got to be

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Speaker 4: Billy Joel on this one. They got to go to

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Speaker 4: one extreme or the other. They got to turn this

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Speaker 4: into a real quick run game, or they got to

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Speaker 4: be ready to slug it out for three and a

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Speaker 4: half hours and you know, take it to overtime and

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Speaker 4: maybe see it get in the forties.

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Speaker 3: Tim here's my list of Steelers that are doing okay.

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Speaker 3: It's a short list. Aaron Rodgers the old line's gotten better.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Warren also has gotten better. Derek Harmon the rookie

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Speaker 3: defensive line doesn't look like he stinks and that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's the list.

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Speaker 3: I think the vast majority of the Steelers was either

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Speaker 3: the players mediocre in the first place, or is disappointed

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Speaker 3: and played below his talent and.

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Speaker 1: On defense, especially his paycheck level.

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Speaker 4: Did you say her Big in that when he has

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Speaker 4: been allowed to play? Did you put him on there?

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Speaker 1: But Herbie doesn't play enough? But yeah, I'll put him

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Speaker 1: on that list.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't disagree with a lot with much of

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Speaker 4: that at all. And I do think that the offensive line,

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Speaker 4: for what it has been asked to do and how

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Speaker 4: it has been reconfigured to make it better, has been

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Speaker 4: better in recent weeks. Now, how does that change depending

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Speaker 4: on Cmalu's health and how they address that, Like do

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Speaker 4: they get away from the jingle package, Howie Anderson full

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Speaker 4: time inside at guard? And what do they do when

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Speaker 4: they want to go jumpo? After that? That could turn

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Speaker 4: into a problem. You might see some regression there. But yes,

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Speaker 4: I would say that collectively, we've had a lot more

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Speaker 4: things to complain about than the offensive line. Into the

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Speaker 4: first couple of weeks, I thought that might be the

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Speaker 4: biggest grousel point all year long.

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Speaker 3: You know what I like is some of the Steeler

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Speaker 3: cliches that are dying this year. One's going to be

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Speaker 3: that they have Lamar's number and they always beat Baltimore

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Speaker 3: at least once.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how that works out.

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Speaker 3: And also that this game against Indianapolis could be a

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Speaker 3: Tom Win Special unquote, and Tim I like that the

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Speaker 3: Tom Win Special can be referred to to a win

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Speaker 3: he shouldn't win and a loss he shouldn't lose.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why the Tomlin Special was last week and

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Speaker 4: it didn't happen. And right, exactly, Tom and Row, we've

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Speaker 4: had that because didn't that happen from India Dallas too, Like,

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Speaker 4: wasn't it exactly the same scenario prime time NFC team

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Speaker 4: coming in at home after a bad loss and they

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Speaker 4: didn't win that one either. And then if I'm remembering right,

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Speaker 4: Fields was bench straight after that and it was no

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Speaker 4: they won a game after that. I'm sorry they won

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Speaker 4: one more than Russ came back in because Russ wasn't

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Speaker 4: healthy yet.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that.

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Speaker 4: Tomlin's Special part of the equation has now failed at

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Speaker 4: least once in each of the last two years. And

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Speaker 4: Shane Stikeen was a part of that equation last year,

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Speaker 4: and he feels to me like kryptonite for Tomlin. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if he's the greatest coach in the world,

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Speaker 4: but he does some things that Tomlin and his defense,

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Speaker 4: Oh Tim, Tim.

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Speaker 1: He's the antithesis of Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: Shane Steiken is all offense, modern day, go out there, score,

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Speaker 3: get a lead extended, whereas Tomlin is, to use the cliche,

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Speaker 3: a rock fight guy.

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Speaker 4: And if your offense is good enough that it puts

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Speaker 4: opposing offenses in very hammered in positions where they have

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Speaker 4: to throw because your offense has got in front, you

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Speaker 4: don't have to be all that crazy and creative on defense.

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Speaker 4: I know that was a complaint in Indianapolis, that they

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Speaker 4: were one of the most predictable and basic defenses. But

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Speaker 4: you know, as you've seen in the evolution of who

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Speaker 4: Indya has become, if your offense is so good and

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Speaker 4: you're getting out to big leads, it doesn't matter that

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Speaker 4: the defensive players know. They just have to worry about

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Speaker 4: the pass. That makes so many things easier to execute.

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Speaker 4: From that point on, and the Steelers have had to

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Speaker 4: guess on defense run versus pass all the time because

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Speaker 4: They've never been in that position where they could just

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Speaker 4: pin their ears back and go except for Cleveland. And

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Speaker 4: what did that look like? That looked like the Steeler

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Speaker 4: defense that we were used to seeing, as was the

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Speaker 4: case for a good chunk of the game in Ireland

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Speaker 4: until Jordan Madison hit the big catch and then that

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Speaker 4: turned the calculus that game here too.

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Speaker 1: Tim. I'll be blunt.

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Speaker 3: I see this game as unwinnable for the Steelers, and

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Speaker 3: yet the culture only favored by three, and that does

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Speaker 3: give me pause.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a weird line, you know, that was I'm surprised.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there's just not enough Colt money coming in to

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Speaker 4: bake up the line, you know what I mean? You

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, Mark, Like, maybe there's just the

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Speaker 4: Packers have a huge national fan base, you know there

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Speaker 4: are teams.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a good point. We talked about that

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Speaker 3: a little bit earlier with Tom. The Colts don't have

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Speaker 3: the brand name to make them a heavy favorite.

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Speaker 4: And I still think there's people nationally that look at

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Speaker 4: the Colts and say it's Daniel Jones, like this can't

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Speaker 4: last forever. It's the AFC South like they look at

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Speaker 4: it like they're playing from a small conference like Gonzaga

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Speaker 4: playing Duke in the end the only finals or something.

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Speaker 4: It's like they might be good there, but they're really

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Speaker 4: going to be able to blow out the Steelers by

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Speaker 4: more than a touchdown. I mean, every number suggests that

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Speaker 4: they can and that they will. But that line has

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Speaker 4: held steady. Maybe the late money coming in on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: but I've noticed that too, Mark, and it's just maybe

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Speaker 4: wonders they're not that much big money coming in on

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Speaker 4: the Colts that the gambling houses feel comfortable of building

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Speaker 4: up the line all the more and taking it on

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Speaker 4: the backside. Should Steelers be able to cover?

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Speaker 1: And here's what kind that kind of ties into that.

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Speaker 3: They said today on ESPN that the Colts have covered

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Speaker 3: on average this year by almost eleven points. But that

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Speaker 3: figures into Vegas holding back the line because of the

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Speaker 3: Colts brand name.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, that too. And you know they've been covered

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Speaker 4: a lot against AFC teams. I noticed that the playing

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Speaker 4: conference they cover quite a bit too. And I was

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Speaker 4: looking at some other kind of numbers, like you know

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Speaker 4: what happens in the fourth quarter when you have a

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Speaker 4: chance to get a back door cover. The Steelers are

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Speaker 4: terrible in the fourth quarter and letting points allow. They're

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Speaker 4: the worst team in the NFL and allowing points in

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Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. And the Colts at the very least

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Speaker 4: are average, but their only average because they haven't had

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Speaker 4: to score. If they have to score, they'll score, especially

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Speaker 4: against the Steelers defense.

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Speaker 1: Late, Tim, enjoy the game. We'll talk next week.

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Speaker 4: All right, Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 3: That's Tim Benz, brought to us by Calushi Chevrolet, serving

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Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh area for one hundred and seven years.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget.

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Speaker 3: You can watch the game with me Sunday at the

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Speaker 3: Schoolhouse Tavern in Clarridge. And then Monday night, I have

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Speaker 3: a mega Penguins viewing party. It's my bobblehead giveaway Banans,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of Penguins bibbleheads from two of the years.

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Speaker 3: Come in early, register to win. That's at the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: Brewing Company right off through twenty eight in Creighton, PA.

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Speaker 3: Biggest big screen TV there is. We had a packed

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Speaker 3: house for the Penguins opener. Let's do it again Monday

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Speaker 3: night at the Pittsburgh Brewing Company. Puck drops at seven

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Speaker 3: point thirty. Be there early because I'll be there early.

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Speaker 3: In just a little bit I'm gonna talk to former

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Speaker 3: Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch. I'm Mark Mann one oh five

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