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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: I heard someone overheard someone the other day as they tripped,

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Speaker 2: a young woman. She tripped and she kind of caught herself,

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Speaker 2: and she looked up at her friend, smiled, winked and said, graceful,

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Speaker 2: wasn't it. And if you think about the act of falling,

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Speaker 2: if you think about those unexpected things that get underfoot,

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Speaker 2: those things that trip you up or make you stumble

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Speaker 2: to fall, you'll find that the statement that was made

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Speaker 2: was so humorous because of the fact that you can't

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Speaker 2: fall gracefully by the very nature of the sudden act

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Speaker 2: that creeps up on you in one way or another

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Speaker 2: stumbling block, the arc of the ground moves up in

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Speaker 2: some way, something that is unforeseen, that is in your way,

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Speaker 2: a pull, whatever it is. When you get knocked down,

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Speaker 2: and when you fall down, it's not graceful. It's not

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Speaker 2: filled with grace at all. But I'll tell you what

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Speaker 2: can be filled with grace. The way that you get up,

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Speaker 2: the way that you approach dusting yourself off and moving on,

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Speaker 2: is where you'll be filled with grace. Proverbs twenty four

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Speaker 2: to sixteen says for a righteous man or woman falls

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Speaker 2: seven times and rises again. But the wicked stumble in

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Speaker 2: times of calamity. Listen to what that means. For a moment,

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Speaker 2: someone who is righteous will fall. It never says that

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Speaker 2: a righteous person will not fall. It never says that

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Speaker 2: a righteous person will not stumble, will not do wrong,

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Speaker 2: will not have things creep up on them, will not

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Speaker 2: make bad decisions. What it does say, my beloved, is

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Speaker 2: that when you do fall, righteousness comes in rising again.

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Speaker 2: The righteousness comes from dusting yourself off and standing and

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Speaker 2: moving on again. Says that the wicked stumble in times

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Speaker 2: of calamity. There is something so amazing about the ability

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Speaker 2: to pull one's self up in the strength of your

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Speaker 2: God and continue on. It's not a matter of if

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Speaker 2: you fall, if you stumble. It's a matter of when

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Speaker 2: you fall and when you stumble. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: judgment that goes on throughout the church. There is much

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Speaker 2: that is said in the church about being righteous and

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Speaker 2: so on, so forth, and I think that many of

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Speaker 2: you miss the point. It's not that I want you

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Speaker 2: to go around stumbling. It's not that I want you

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Speaker 2: to go around and continuing in your sin, or to

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Speaker 2: continue to miss the mark or to allow things in

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Speaker 2: your life to take stronghold or become more important than

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Speaker 2: they should. It's that I want you to recognize when

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Speaker 2: you fail, when you fall and you stumble, that I

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Speaker 2: am there to applaud you and to hold you when

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Speaker 2: you stand up again. I don't point and I don't judge.

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Speaker 2: I died for your sins, knowing all of them, past, present,

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Speaker 2: and future. It's not a matter of waiting for you

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Speaker 2: to do it so that you can be mocked in

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Speaker 2: heaven or something. The encouragement in the church I find

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Speaker 2: to be very lackluster when it comes to people stumbling

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Speaker 2: or falling. But I want you to truly take with

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Speaker 2: you the importance of that statement. It's not how you fall,

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Speaker 2: it's how you get up. For a righteous man falls

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Speaker 2: seven times. Now, if you remember, in scripture, whenever it

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Speaker 2: talks about a perfect number, it talks about seven. So

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Speaker 2: it's not about actually falling only seven times and that's

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Speaker 2: what you get. You get seven times. It's about saying,

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Speaker 2: no matter how many at the point of infinity, no

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Speaker 2: matter how many times you fall, the importance is in

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Speaker 2: when you get up. Chuck Swyndall, the famed preacher, a

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Speaker 2: very sweet man of God said once that life is

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Speaker 2: ten percent what happens to you, and ninety percent how

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Speaker 2: you react to it. How true are those statements? It

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Speaker 2: is very true that much will happen to you, some

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Speaker 2: in your control and some out of your control. There

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Speaker 2: will be many things that you bring on yourself. There'll

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Speaker 2: be much garbage in your life that by making poor

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Speaker 2: decisions and continually doing things that you know to be

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Speaker 2: without benefit to you, those things will definitely open the

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Speaker 2: floodgates to stumbling. But there will also be times. There

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Speaker 2: will also be situations and circumstances outside of your control

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Speaker 2: that will creep in and dictate certain things in your life.

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Speaker 2: And yes, many times knock you down. But once you're down,

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Speaker 2: even though you may not have put yourself there, even

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Speaker 2: though you may not have made the decision that laid

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Speaker 2: you on your back, the decision to get up is yours.

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Speaker 2: What you do in your own strength is yours. How

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Speaker 2: you react from that point on is up to you.

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Speaker 2: You see, you will fall and mistakes will be made.

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Speaker 2: I find that many religious or Christian groups continue to

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Speaker 2: look around and go search for perfection. And it's not

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Speaker 2: that I don't want you to desire those things. And

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Speaker 2: it's not that I don't want you to seek that

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Speaker 2: which is good and righteous and true. But what I

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Speaker 2: don't want is you to get lost in the act

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Speaker 2: of works, as if somehow your perfection brings you to

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Speaker 2: a point where you deserve something. You deserve my love,

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Speaker 2: where you deserve heaven, or you deserve any of these things.

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Speaker 2: Because if you remember as you read through Scripture, it's

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Speaker 2: not about that which you deserve. All have sinned and

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Speaker 2: fallen short of the glory of God. All have sinned.

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Speaker 2: It is not through the things that you do. It's

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Speaker 2: through the things that I did, and your simple receiving

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Speaker 2: of those things that make this relationship what it is.

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Speaker 2: I find that many of you will stumble or will

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Speaker 2: go through a situation that will knock you down, and

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Speaker 2: instead of reaching out to me, instead of it becoming

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Speaker 2: a point in our relationship where you and I are strengthened,

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Speaker 2: you hide, You bury your head and your heart, and

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Speaker 2: you don't let those that care most about you in.

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Speaker 2: It's been said, darkest is the evil that is hid

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Speaker 2: from the eyes and the ears of a loved one.

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Speaker 2: When you feel the need to sink your head into

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Speaker 2: the sand, to move yourself out of the company of

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Speaker 2: friends and family, to become a recluse that's not of

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Speaker 2: any benefit. These are the things that are so unhealthy.

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Speaker 2: These are the things that make me so concerned that

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Speaker 2: when you fall, you hide. I don't want you to

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Speaker 2: have pride in your poor decisions. I don't want you

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Speaker 2: to have pride when you fail. But I do want

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Speaker 2: you to stand and to stand strong and with great

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Speaker 2: confidence that you won't have to do that again, that

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Speaker 2: you won't have to make the same mistakes if you

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Speaker 2: learn from them, and that you can continue to move on.

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Speaker 2: One Peter three fifteen says, always be ready and willing

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Speaker 2: to give an answer, to give a defense about the

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Speaker 2: hope that lies within you. When asked, why do you

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Speaker 2: think people ask? They ask you how you get this strength?

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Speaker 2: They ask you about these things because they see you

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Speaker 2: stand strong. They see you stand up in a time

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Speaker 2: when most people would be knocked down, when most people

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Speaker 2: would not get up. And it's by that mirror act

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Speaker 2: of standing strong, dusting yourself off, and moving on that

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Speaker 2: people will want to know what makes you different, what

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Speaker 2: makes you stand out? How come you can stand against

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Speaker 2: the sea of trials when everyone else would fail? When

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Speaker 2: it comes to falling, I want you to think about

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Speaker 2: a few things. Many people look at their relationship with

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Speaker 2: God as solely the fruits. Now, fruits are the outside

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Speaker 2: showing of an inward goal. So you see the things

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Speaker 2: that people do and you know who they are, but

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Speaker 2: don't be deceived. I mean, there's many people who can

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Speaker 2: put on a smile and who can put on a

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Speaker 2: going swell in their life, but really they're not. And

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Speaker 2: there's some that have seem to be angry or have

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Speaker 2: a strange disposition, but ultimately their heart is good and

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Speaker 2: they are happy people. They just have a tendency to

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Speaker 2: be a little grumpy. Keep an eye on those people

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Speaker 2: around you. Also think about how you want to be perceived.

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Speaker 2: Understand that those fruits are how people will see you

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Speaker 2: and understand you're just like you look at a tree

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Speaker 2: and can tell what kind of fruit tree it is

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Speaker 2: by the fruit that it bears. Correct, But when it

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Speaker 2: comes to falling, keep this in mind. Romans nine thirty

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Speaker 2: but as though it were by works, they stumble over

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Speaker 2: the stumbling stone. Be careful not to get caught up

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Speaker 2: in just the acts themselves. Be careful not to get

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Speaker 2: caught up in those things which appear to be good

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Speaker 2: or righteous, and that you're doing them just for the

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Speaker 2: sake of doing them. Understand that it's by faith and

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Speaker 2: trust in God that you do these things. It's not

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Speaker 2: just to get a pat on the back. It's not

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Speaker 2: just to get an atta boy or to be rewarded

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Speaker 2: in some way or another. It's to be done because

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Speaker 2: one righteousness is right to do just by definition, and

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Speaker 2: two because your God calls you to do these things.

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Speaker 2: Keep that in mind. Mike, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 3: Hi Jesus, how are you today?

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Speaker 2: I am well, Mike, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: I have a son who is married and his wife

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Speaker 3: is from Japan and they have a beautiful daughter, my granddaughter.

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Speaker 3: And this is one of the strongest men of God

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Speaker 3: that I've ever met, even though he is my son.

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Speaker 3: He's done missionary work and travel the world. He's been

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Speaker 3: in worship teams. He's also written a book and published

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Speaker 3: it for devotionals, and just recently two days ago, his

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Speaker 3: six year old daughter, my granddaughter, was diagnosed with cancer.

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Speaker 3: It's hit our family really hard of course, just even

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Speaker 3: though we're believers and we're praying and we're believing for

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Speaker 3: a healing for her, it's just sometimes hard to cope

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Speaker 3: with it. And just wanted to get your perspective on

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Speaker 3: from from from your perspective, how do you how do

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Speaker 3: you feel about children with cancer and dying?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's never going to be a proper perspective to

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Speaker 2: put it in. It's just not even for the believer. Uh,

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Speaker 2: for to be able to understand is completely different than

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Speaker 2: the emotional mechanism for experiencing, uh, someone so small and

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Speaker 2: something like cancer. There's not going to be a two minute,

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Speaker 2: three minute answer that's going to make you go, okay,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense. But the truth is, if you are

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Speaker 2: a person of faith, you're you have to by the

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Speaker 2: very different definition of who you are, have hope and

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Speaker 2: faith in what God's plan is, and to know that

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Speaker 2: that child is and any human being is not more

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Speaker 2: valuable for the length of life that they hold or

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Speaker 2: the things that they accomplish, but for the essence of

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Speaker 2: who they are, and that is designed by God. That

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Speaker 2: in God's wisdom he saw at foot fit to put

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Speaker 2: this six year old on this planet and go through

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Speaker 2: this trial for whatever and allow that process to happen,

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Speaker 2: and whatever what of those things that will surround it

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Speaker 2: will come from it. And that means the trial that

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Speaker 2: you are going through, the trial, your son's going through,

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Speaker 2: the trial mother's going through, and the family as a whole,

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Speaker 2: and you just have to trust through it. And at

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Speaker 2: this point you're going to believe in all good things

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Speaker 2: and that God's will be done, and that could very

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Speaker 2: well mean a complete healing as well. But throughout the process,

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Speaker 2: the love for the child doesn't change, the love for

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Speaker 2: each other doesn't change, the love for God doesn't change.

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Speaker 2: Because throughout scripture you're reminded of the concept of the

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Speaker 2: difference between the body and the soul, right, and that

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Speaker 2: one will die and one will not. So there's no

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Speaker 2: death sentence at this point, and no doctor can tell

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Speaker 2: you otherwise. Doctors can't predict death. They can just or

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Speaker 2: tell you when someone's going to pass or how a

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Speaker 2: particular illness is going to go down. They can just

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Speaker 2: tell you how they've seen it in the past, this

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Speaker 2: is how it's gone this way. But every single circumstance

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Speaker 2: is individual and right now. This is a time for

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Saw.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, how can I help you?

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Jesus and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Here for you. Deb. Can you turn down the radio

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Speaker 3: I will thank you, my dear?

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Speaker 1: My question is you know that scripture that says take

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Speaker 1: I want to know if that applies to homosexuals?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Can it applies to people. It applies to God's creation?

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, the thing is what about you know?

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Speaker 2: Oh fair enough on all of that. That's let's look

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