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Speaker 2: All right, top of the five o'clock hour, Top five

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Speaker 2: at five. Luigi is back. It's shocking to find out

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Speaker 2: where we've been largely in the forties and it's been

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Speaker 2: very rainy. But my assumption is you'll be out of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to go to Florida Sarity for a

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Speaker 2: Which island of this time?

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Speaker 3: The Big Island? I have a conference.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Big Island. That's where you you've been there?

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Speaker 2: Is that always where your conferences? Or is this a

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Speaker 2: Well it's more than one conference. I should have known

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Speaker 2: by now, Guardie, what do you think here? What do

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm wondering did we ever figure out have we

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Speaker 4: I know that really bugged you a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Has that gotten rectified? Yeah? Ready to make always another

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: How can you not have an ATMA? Does I know

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Speaker 4: Let's start with the Vikings because they are the a topic,

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Speaker 4: the quarterback situation, the Carson Wentz surgery, which we learned

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Speaker 4: If you miss it, you get another shot on Wednesday

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Speaker 4: nights right here at six thirty, all across the Vikings

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Speaker 4: Audio network. But one of the things they talked about

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Speaker 4: Carson Wentz got injured. Was everyone the head coach, the quarterback,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. And I think it's very, very important that the

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Speaker 5: Carson is capable of continuing. The circumstances really had not

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Speaker 5: And you get that, and ultimately you want to do

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Speaker 5: Which have so much respect for not only the commitment

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Speaker 2: Kaos is allowed to skate on this. I don't get it.

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Speaker 3: Well, the decision was made. Yeah, as he's trying to

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Speaker 2: Right, he's going to do He's going to do as

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Speaker 3: When it's thirty four to ten, you have to see

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Speaker 2: It's another great point. It's even if you don't want

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Speaker 2: What else do I want to get to from this game?

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Speaker 4: Mookie bets one for eight. You feel like Toronto's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: The sun when I already looked at that, Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: How much time, Louis you've been to I assume you've

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Speaker 3: Show there, you know, because Dodgers are my team in

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Speaker 2: Speed of the Wolves.

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Speaker 4: They fall to five hundred last night with a one

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Speaker 2: He can't play better. I'm not here to say that

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Speaker 3: At Target Center.

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Speaker 2: You can hear that game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well he won't believe it. No, he doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: An idea on how to save the Minnesota wild from themselves.

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Speaker 2: My guess is are in studio. Guest will laugh at it.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into a couple of interesting pieces from Russo

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Speaker 2: Why would the Wild invite Gabrick back for tonight's festivities?

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Speaker 2: He left us didn't like it here? Will he get booed?

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Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, I don't think he'd get booed any you know,

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Speaker 3: Kevin came back here, I'm sure they'd welcome him back

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Speaker 2: That's true, probably right about that. So that's very philosophical

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Speaker 3: Like I used to say, the player, you don't have

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Speaker 3: Checking is part of the game. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: Well, what concerns me right now is they need more

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Speaker 3: either trying to make a deal or trying to kill

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00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 3: somebody else's deal that I found out they were trying

437
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 3: to make because the effects where were there to be

438
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 3: in the conversation. But I would look around the league

439
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: right now if there is somebody that we could add

440
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 3: that could change the complexion of the team just a

441
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: little bit. You make coaching change, and that's just a

442
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: little bit of a change. Right at the beginning that's

443
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: something that for some reason or other gets rewarded and

444
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 3: wins right off the bat. And you just want to

445
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: get the engine going against like putting gas in the engine,

446
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: and how can you start it? And maybe there might

447
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 3: be someone I had lunch as I said with Russo

448
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: today and I says, you know your place. Yeah, an

449
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: twenty three enjoyed the new meatball sandwich was fantastic. And

450
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: I said to my said, uh, you know, I look

451
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: around and see if there's anybody in the league that's

452
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 3: having trouble themselves and maybe just try and change things up.

453
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just a change of scenery for two players

454
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: and work on me. He said, well, Shovetnika from Carolina

455
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: hasn't got at a point in eight games. I just

456
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 3: he'd he'd be my number one target because that guy's

457
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: had the history of plane. He is a power forward,

458
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: like the way he gets involved right. And he said

459
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: he's got no trade cause I said I had no

460
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: trade EXA. They'll say you're going to be playing with CAPRISO. Okay,

461
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 3: I'm going you know, so, yes, you got that to use.

462
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: And I said, I don't know what they'd want, Maybe

463
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: be too much what they want wild want, but you

464
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: didn't imagine, imagine if there was a deal, it'd be made.

465
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: They're just changing the face, changing that all of a sudden,

466
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: a different are era comes in in the locker room,

467
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 3: you get just a different vibe and who knows. I'm

468
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 3: just saying hopefully something had just changed up, because you do.

469
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 3: You do have to change no matter what anybody's talking

470
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: to you about. Everybody says the right things, but you

471
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: have to change the mindset that you know might be

472
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: there but they're not.

473
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: So you don't think it's too early to do that.

474
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: Oh no, I think early is the best. You know,

475
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: before you get any other gets pretty quick, Yeah, because

476
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: every game is build. Everybody can say it's early in

477
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: the season, but the points count the same as at

478
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 3: the end of the season. You can't get them back.

479
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: And if you get yourself in the hole. Sure people

480
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: have dug out of a hole and Big OL's Louis

481
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: won the coup when they were lasting about in January.

482
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: But I don't want to be the guy trying to

483
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: do it at the second time, you know what I mean?

484
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: What was the age or what is the age of

485
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: the oldest really successful national hockey league coach. Oh, Scott

486
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: boom and so how old was he?

487
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: He was in his sixties when when he won a cup?

488
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's the oldest. Yeah, he might have even

489
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: been seventy. Scott, he's my age. I'm alway's older than

490
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: I think you want.

491
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: You want my idea on how to fix the while? Yeah,

492
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: get Scotty, No, get Jack. Oh yeah he's only eighty.

493
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: He was a youngish eighty. Why not bring Jacques back?

494
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: He's the He's the only coach that made it work here.

495
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: Louis honest about it.

496
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: I can't.

497
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: But you're a big Lamara guy or were I am?

498
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: I love him? First of all, he's never going to

499
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: go back coaching. And what if you're going to refuse,

500
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: you can't. He's got everything he wants in life.

501
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Frump Florida.

502
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: Hey, you know right now, I think you got to

503
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: give Hindes a chance with these to get this.

504
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't even bad as a rip on Hindes. I

505
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: just I still meant when he came back, was it

506
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: last week or the week before? For the big reun?

507
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: He's wonderful.

508
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: I still miss the guy. I loved that guy. I

509
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: didn't really get to know him all that well, but

510
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: I always I just thought he understood the game. He

511
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 2: was sharp, he and I know people thought that style

512
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: was boring and it was bad for the league. All

513
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: I know is they won with him. They won with him,

514
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: and they've never since won the way they did under

515
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: him early in the in the in the team's history.

516
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: Well, people here didn't think it was boring. And you

517
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: never get tired of winning. He never get tired of winning.

518
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: You never get out of a game with him. That's

519
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: that's a good part. And definitely you don't need a

520
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: lot of scoring.

521
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: Ut fundamentally sounds yeah, he's but he's very voice. His

522
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: voice is just the best, isn't it. The little mare voice?

523
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: Of course, there's just nothing like it.

524
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 3: And you got the great little smirk, you know.

525
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: No, he's so is he? Is he even advising anybody?

526
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: At this point?

527
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: He just well, no, because Lamerolla got fired.

528
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, And he was advising.

529
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: He was advising Loop from his rocking chair in Anamory

530
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: island watching on TV. That's what he basically what he

531
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: said to me. And they were very close and he

532
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. But Jock, Jock is the type of guy.

533
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: When he says enough enough, he means enough enough. I've

534
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: had enough and that's it.

535
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: He just he's very exactly right.

536
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: He has that the power of his mind is make

537
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: a decision, live with it, and I'm very happy with

538
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: the contender. There's no second guessing. I don't know if

539
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: I've ever talked to Jock or watched Jock or seen

540
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 3: Jock when he's second guests something. He just that he's done.

541
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: He's a firm believer in it, right, wrong or indifferent.

542
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: I'm living well.

543
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: You you know him a lot better than I do,

544
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 2: so I don't remember the term. My recollection isn't that

545
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: he screamed at everybody. But he was firm. I mean,

546
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: there was never any question who was in charge. It

547
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: seemed like he had the ability to just be hard

548
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: guy if he needed to be, but not necessarily a

549
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: guy who's ranting all the time. You know, those are

550
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: the best kind of discipline coaches.

551
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: I think, well he coached like Snmore's famous line, did

552
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 3: I love the best you can play like that? Just

553
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: not here perfect, You'll be going somewhere else, pretty much

554
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: said Jock was. That's how he was. He was very

555
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: very decisive, and everybody knew as you just said, Oh,

556
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 3: how he felt what he expected? And is he happy

557
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 3: or not?

558
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: Lamara's side, Can the trap work with our team?

559
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: You know, let's put it this way. Defense, good defense

560
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: works with all teams. But at the same time, good

561
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: defense always has somebody that, for some reason or other

562
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 3: breaks it down some way to get opportunities. That's what

563
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: hockey is all about.

564
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: That's true. That's a great way to put it. In fact,

565
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: Paul writes, Louis's ideas are brilliant. Louis should be a

566
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: consultant for the while. Wasn't Garren Hier as a consultant.

567
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: He's got enough consultant. They have enough. They got such

568
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: a large staff that all the people they need.

569
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: Even Leopold has financial restrictions. They can't afford loose. That's good,

570
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: but I didn't even think of that. Yeah, you'd be

571
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 4: too demanded.

572
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: Uh. Is the stats still true? The Caprice office not

573
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: scored an even handed, a full strength goal. And does

574
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: that what with the goalie? Oh yeah, okay, right, that's true.

575
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: But he's still he set up a lot even string goals.

576
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: He did, he did, he has that's one.

577
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: Dimensional play and they never see Conor McDavid had an

578
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: He hadn't even had a goal, but he had a

579
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: number of assists. What is that happens to everybody?

580
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: So what our penalty kill is awful? Again, I think

581
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: our power plays started great and it's kind of receded. Uh,

582
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: but I think our penalty kill is one of the worst. Again,

583
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: So in your history, in your experience in hockey, what

584
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: is the key to establishing a legitimate penalty kill.

585
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: Well, there's a few things. One one, you don't want

586
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: to give a good clear shots from the best areas

587
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: still in the area, So you want to keep the

588
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: puck on the perimeter. You want you want to limit

589
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: the passes to go through the box area. And your

590
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: goaltender has got to be able to make stops and

591
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: you have to as best you can, let them see

592
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: the puck, clean the front of the net and take

593
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: care of rebounds. There's a lot of things you have

594
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: to do. But the good, the good teams do it.

595
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: They do it well and and uh, I still think

596
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: you know what, I think they we're all going to

597
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: make an improvement. We haven't seen it yet, but they

598
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: have Boldie for instance, out they're killing penalty's ROSSI, We're

599
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: going to see some short ended goals. I really believe that,

600
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: because at least when they get the puck, you feel

601
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: good about their chances if they want to take an

602
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: opportunity a get the shot on net and shots produced goals. Uh.

603
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: We we talked a little gophers last week, then we

604
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: got swept and we over the weekend. I think we're

605
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: now two five and one. You mentioned last week we

606
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: lost a lot of people, I think long view, but

607
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: the same thing. I mean, do you worry about it's

608
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: getting late kind of early kind of late or late

609
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: kind of early, whatever the cliche is, Are you starting

610
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: to worry?

611
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not worried because I never expected, you know,

612
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: them to be at the top of the heap this year.

613
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: I think that I'm more interested in seeing how they

614
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: grow and having the opportunity to become a much better team.

615
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: They they have skill in the team. They the one

616
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: thing that you can teach young people. As I said,

617
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: you can't teach them to score, but you can teach

618
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: them to defend. And so when you talked about Lamaire,

619
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: even though he didn't have scoring, he had I was

620
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: a team that defended well. So I think that. You know,

621
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: you have to look at the goal for hockey team

622
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: as how are they improving in their defensive play to

623
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: limit the opportunities to limit the goals against because they

624
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: do have people upfront that have history of scoring, so

625
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: should continue to have opportunities score and score goals. Yeah,

626
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: and e wasn't any sports. You got to start the

627
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: defense first, and you got to start your own zone first.

628
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: If you're not taking care of that, if you're giving

629
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: up too many good opportunities, you can't You can't win. Eventually,

630
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: you're gonna lose.

631
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: No question about it. Guardsie, do we still have was

632
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: there one of the famous lamaire not our Jacques, one

633
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: of the famous lamaire soundbites we had was about worry

634
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: about we wait, we wake up, we worry? Do you

635
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: remember that one? Do we still have that one anywhere

636
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: at any of our button bars? You know the one

637
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: I'm talking about? Yes, it was really a good one.

638
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't on the button bar. If you look to

639
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: your right, you will see it as the liner that

640
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: we will be playing into the next break.

641
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so it does exist. It exists, and people

642
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: will hear it about five minutes from now.

643
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: Let me ask you something also that is not necessarily

644
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: related to hockey. Luigi. You know Glenn Mason joins every week.

645
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: In fact, he'll be in here tomorrow. Is he back

646
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: or is he going back to Fargo. I can't remember

647
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: what Nicky's here. I think he might be here. So

648
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: last week I mentioned to Mace, I say, you know,

649
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: one of the great things Louis did with us over

650
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: the years is we had the Legends with Louis series

651
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: where occasionally he would help us get a big name

652
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: guy like from hockey, like Scottie Bowman, Phil Esposito, you go,

653
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: don Tony Especia, drive the whole bit, Kenny and Kenny

654
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: Dryden exactly, it the late great Kenny Dryden. And I said,

655
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: you know what, you should do the same with us,

656
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: like get Barry Alvarez, will have you on with Barry Alvarez,

657
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: Legends of college coaching. You know what May said, Why

658
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: should I do that for you guys? Why should I

659
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: do your job for you? My job guards he should

660
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: do That's that's he's got three dogs that are looking

661
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: for a pen.

662
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: Maybe his girlfriend could hold those dogs. You get a

663
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: new claim.

664
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: That's the answer. I just was like, it was. I said,

665
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: if you wanted to find the difference between Luigi and Mason,

666
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: that's it in a nutshit is friends, great idea, Let

667
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: me do that. Let's well all you know, I'll use

668
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: my standing. Yeah, we don't have that kind of standing.

669
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: We acknowledge that. And I thought Mace would feel honored, like, hey,

670
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's okay, I'm gonna do that. And he he,

671
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: He couldn't have been more sarcastic about the whole big

672
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, you know why?

673
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: And I did you try to make an overture? And

674
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: I've got some good inrows. We're working on it. We're

675
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 4: working through some contractual things I see, which I think

676
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: are a little silly, but we're working through those things.

677
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 4: The thing is, Louis likes to hear. First of all,

678
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: Louis likes talking to his friends. Right, we did it.

679
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: It been part because he had questions, he wanted stories

680
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: out there. Louis enjoyed it, I think as much as

681
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: we did. I don't want to speak for you, lou

682
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: but he seemed to. And Mace doesn't want to spend

683
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: his hour talking about other people. That's isn't that the

684
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: big the distinction?

685
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: That's also the box. Yeah, that's very true.

686
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 4: If we were to give him a second or maybe

687
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: he should share it, but his hour, he wants to

688
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: be about himself.

689
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: Here's the question, because there's a part of me. It says,

690
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 2: if you find a way to land, let's say Barry

691
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Alvarez the next couple of weeks, that that whenever that

692
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: you get them, we tell Mace, we don't need you

693
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: this week. We got somebody else with Barry Alvarez.

694
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: And we talked to Bill from Jack's Cafe. He thinks

695
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 4: it's great. Terry Limo loves it, so we're good, and

696
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: then that would change his tune. Yeah, at that point

697
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 4: J J. Mccarteam, we'll put him on the bench. That's it, Well,

698
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: quiet bench him possibility that might be the way we

699
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 4: have to go. Or we'll let Louis come in and

700
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: talk to him.

701
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's another way to that's no doubt. Uh.

702
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 4: The branch on Brian Kafan text line is six four

703
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: six eight six.

704
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: This is from Larry Mondelo. Guy Loui's advice for the

705
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: wild sounds very familiar because it seems like basically what

706
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: he's saying is change your face, be happy, and joy.

707
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: It's the famous Ricky Rubio SoundBite that we that we play.

708
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: But I think part of what you're saying is you

709
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: have to help them change their face. Oh yeah, it's

710
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: not to go in and say change your face is

711
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 2: probably not going to be enough. You've got to give

712
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: them the impetus. Correct.

713
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to be the leader. There's if you're

714
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: going to conquer anything, you have to have somebody in charge. Right,

715
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: But the opportunities there everybody, everybody wants to win and

716
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 3: they want help. They should want help to get out

717
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: of it. At a time when you're in a situation

718
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: where you got some real problems. I can't understand why

719
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: there would be anybody wouldn't want some advice about to

720
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: get it better or do it better, or change something.

721
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: And many times it might be just changing a little

722
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: thing here or there. For many times it might be

723
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: completely changing the style of play with or playing. But

724
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 3: it's it's almost like a lifeline when you when you're

725
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: talking to people that need help and you come up

726
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: with an idea different idea all of a sudden, I

727
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: can tell you this. We we were playing Toronto in

728
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: the playoffs and that's when Murray Oliver's coach, and he

729
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: came down and he says to me, Louis got to

730
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: get in the bench. We haven't beaten Toronto on your

731
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: long You've got to come down and take over the coach.

732
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: And I hate coaching, you know, I don't mind coaching

733
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 3: a game with repetition. But I went to practice and

734
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: and I'll never forget because they said, look, every time

735
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: I see Toronto, this is the way they play an

736
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: offensive zone. This is how they check you. So we're

737
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: going to do this little thing differently. And we set

738
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: a little tweak, set up a play, and this is

739
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: this is how we're going to come out, and this

740
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: is going to give us a break. You know, we

741
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: might even get a breakway well, when you know, third

742
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: shift of the game, we pulled it off. We had

743
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: a break, We went down, scored, and Ronnie Freest, who

744
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: was standing right beside me, stood up and yelled and

745
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: he turned around me and he said, it worked. It worked,

746
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: you know, so all of a sudden, yeah, and it's yeah.

747
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: It just then was they can change and eyes a

748
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: whole bit. Yeah, you beat him three straight. It was

749
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 3: just terrific.

750
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes it does sometimes just a little thing. It's creativity. Yeah,

751
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: you got to come up with and you make people

752
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: believe right, Yes.

753
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's what I'm seeing. If there's just something yep,

754
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: it works, that people can hang their head on the

755
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: delta that they are feeling the way they're playing, or

756
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: something might change. That's all I'm seeing is find something

757
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: that just change the attitude or change the thought process

758
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: that the guys are going through.

759
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: One more break and then one more segment with Luigi.

760
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: Any questions that they said, I'll get to try to

761
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: get to as many of them as I can. Whatever

762
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: that level of hockey is you want to talk about

763
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: or something else. Six four six eight six back with

764
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: more Louis.

765
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: Guys.

766
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: You're back with you.

767
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: You can join me again this Sunday Gray's Food Haul

768
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: for a Purple Watch party playing Detroit this Sunday at

769
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: noon Gray's Food Hall, Downtown Minneapolis.

770
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: It's awesome.

771
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,560
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772
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 4: Beard nominated chefs, plenty of drinks, and enter for your

773
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774
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775
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,280
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776
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: at noon.

777
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: Good text coming in out of Grand Forks. This is

778
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: from Kurt and Kurt is curious Luigi to get your

779
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: view regarding the purported NBA gambling scandal. You know, it's

780
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: a big federal investigation. You got a fairly big name

781
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: player and then a Hall of Fame coach implicated. Now

782
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame coach, it seems to be more

783
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: about this his part in this poker deal, although there's

784
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: also some indication that he may have been even though

785
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: he's unindicted for this, given some information about sitting some

786
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: of his players. So from Afar, what what are your

787
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: impressions of this? Is it? Is it the tip of

788
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: the iceberg? Do you worry that we're headed in an

789
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: ever more dangerous direction regarding this given the degree to

790
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: which sports leagues and you know, betting services have kind

791
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: of gotten bed together. What do you make of it?

792
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm extremely disappointed. I can't believe

793
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: that people making that kind of money that we're indicted

794
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: would even think about doing something that's going to enhance

795
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: them by extra money. They got enough. I don't I

796
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: don't see the reasoning for it. And right away somebody

797
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: came to me. I hear that there's an investigator, investigation

798
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: coming to the hockey, I says, I haven't heard that yet.

799
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: There was some guy. I said, look, let me tell

800
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: you one thing. If it's a guy, he's got to

801
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: be a goaltender, because if you don't, if you don't,

802
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: if you don't fix the goaltender, it doesn't matter who

803
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: you're pulling out of the line of I've been in

804
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: games where we've got out forty five to fifteen, won

805
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: the game, And if you don't take the goaltender out,

806
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: that's the only guys you can investigate because the other guys,

807
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, sure it ain't gonna happen.

808
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: So I.

809
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 3: Don't think it's going to be coming more and more.

810
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 3: The only place I always worried about was in college

811
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: because college players don't get weren't getting money, and they

812
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: could get money. A big guy could he you know,

813
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: they could affect the game by you know, going stone cold.

814
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: And if he's averaging twenty two points a game and

815
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: I was getting two, it's going to severely affected. Plus

816
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: throwing the ball away, et cetera, and all that. But

817
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't think that there are that many

818
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: stupid players in the world and that they they have

819
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 3: a need to do this.

820
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: Is there is it. I don't know if this is

821
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: conceivable because it's such a big part of so many

822
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: of these gambling outlets, but the there's been a lot

823
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: of talk about at the very least, you have to

824
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: try to courage or if possible, eliminate the prop bet, because,

825
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: as you know, the prop bet in basketball is just

826
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: It could be as simple as he's gonna miss his

827
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: first shot or the number of minutes he's gonna play.

828
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be fixing the game. And that

829
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: that's where this stuff is almost impossible to police. Now

830
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: in some states they've outlawed prop bets involving college players.

831
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: They've not made the step for pro I don't know

832
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: if it's conceivable. If all you're doing is going to

833
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: is you're going to drive all the prop bets underground

834
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: to illegal betting. I'm not sure, but to me, that's

835
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: the biggest rub right now in the NBA. It's load management,

836
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: that's one of it's sitting players tanking, but the other

837
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: part of it is just the prop bet, which can

838
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: be one play. It came up in baseball too, you know,

839
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: you betting on a pitcher's second pitch in the third

840
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: inning of his starting performance, that sort of thing. So

841
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: would you like to see that, if it's practical, the

842
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: prop bet be eliminated, or have pro of team pro

843
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: sports try to band together to say we got to

844
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: get this route this out as much as possible.

845
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: Well, that's where I agree with you, because that's that's

846
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: the betting that you can't fix a player or something.

847
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: You take Fox and every Sunday when they got to yeah,

848
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, Sequon Barkley's going to get over for six yards,

849
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: this guy's going to catch and go for one hundred

850
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: and twenty yards to passing those kind of bets that

851
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: should be out lawed. That that is gambling running the telecast.

852
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: There is no need for that at all.

853
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: And I don't even think it's that interesting.

854
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that interesting. But what bothers me

855
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: as the effects that could have on people. First of all,

856
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: you always worry about can people afford to even bet.

857
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: You go to a casino and you see a lot

858
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: of guys sitting there, and they sit there for hours,

859
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: and you wonder, how can you make it that's you

860
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: feel bad about it if they don't have the willpower

861
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: to walk away or limits them absolute loss every every

862
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: time they go to casino. Well, it what worries me

863
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: on those prop bets. It starts developing the gambling syndrome.

864
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: And now you start all of a sudden, you know

865
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: you win, you win. I once you're in it all

866
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: to say, well next week, now you might be betting

867
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: five hundred because you won three hundred, and now you

868
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: start getting in I lost five hundred. I got to

869
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: get it back. And I tell somebody just to go

870
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: to Vegas. Look at those pretty buildings, And I said,

871
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: you think they they're building those because people are winning,

872
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: they said. And and I told one of my grand said, well,

873
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: I believe when I was out there, want some money,

874
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: I said, you didn't win it. They just loaned it

875
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: to you. He's been loaned to you, and you're going

876
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: to give it back more unless you realize you know, okay,

877
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: you're not getting up winning.

878
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: That's good advice. Uh. This is from Izzy, our old

879
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: friend Izzy in Vegas. Many of us consider al Sea

880
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: Court the most hated player in his in the in

881
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: the history of Minnesota sports. Does Louis have any good

882
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: Sea Court stories?

883
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I might have told it years ago when when

884
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: I was going to sign Ciciarelli. I went out there

885
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: and I talked to the newspaper man. His name was

886
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: John Harrington for the London Press there in London, Ontario,

887
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: and I said, tell me about the Cicerelli kid. I said,

888
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: I'm really impressed how he scores goals. I says, and

889
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: then way he compezzes. He liked that all the time.

890
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: And he says, Louis said, we had a situation earlier

891
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: this year where he scored a goal and we put

892
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: the picture in the paper of him scoring, and then

893
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: the picture was the goaltender. He's being the goaltender, but

894
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: behind him was El Seaguard, he said, Sea Court and

895
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: he have had this thing going all year long. Seagart

896
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: was playing for Hamilton and Cicerelli is playing for London,

897
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: and he says he came down and he came to

898
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: the paper the next day and he says, John, can

899
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: you give me a glossy picture of that? I need

900
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: by ten? So I ran one off for him. He

901
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: took the pen and he says, hey, dummy, isn't this

902
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: your man, you're supposed to be checking. Put an envelope

903
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: and send it to sea Cord. Oh, so I started

904
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: way back there. Pretty And then when we had when

905
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: we played in Chicago. The night before we were going

906
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: to the to Washington play the All Star Game, and

907
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: the All Star players we're going to visit the White House.

908
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: The next day, we're sitting on the bus and it

909
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 3: was in Washington. The team is going over to practice,

910
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: and the night before, Dino had gone out in the

911
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: third period and he got hit in the ankle, was

912
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: a shot and he was out and sitting in the

913
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: first first row with sonomore and Seacord gets on the

914
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: bus and he said, hey, do you know how's the ankle?

915
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: Is you a hole? He says, you don't care, what

916
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: do you care? Don't give me that bull. So there

917
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: was never any love. Yeah, and Dino even off the ice.

918
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh, that's pretty good. So it kind of developed over

919
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: the years. That's pretty good. All right, you're on your

920
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: way to Florida first, Yeah, and then and.

921
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: Then the Big Island then knowing uh to uh Oaho

922
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: Big Islands.

923
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: Call, Oh wow, okay, I got you that Island, I

924
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: got you. Yeah, And and because somebody had texted much earlier.

925
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: They want to know what your health secret is. And

926
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: timing's good, right because you just had another another like

927
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: unprecedented physical admail. Correct.

928
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, my doctor told me that.

929
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: So give us Give us the quote from your doctor

930
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: what he used to say and what he how he

931
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: amended it.

932
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: Well, the last four years he had told me I

933
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: was going to lift to be one hundred and yesterday

934
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: Walt Wilson, who have had for over twenty five years

935
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: or so, and he said to my wife, look at this,

936
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: and he turned the screen around. He said, look it,

937
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you last thirteen years. Nothing changes,

938
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: nothing moves as this guy's going to live forever. So

939
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 3: well passed, I said, Walt. He says, just keep doing

940
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: what you're doing. He says, drinking a lot of wine.

941
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: He's just keep drinking.

942
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: Don't change anything.

943
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: He don't change anything. He's he's such a remarkable doctor.

944
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's a very good friend of Jill Mawer's,

945
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: by the way, and he's he's a person. Know, he's

946
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: more than a doctor. He's a very close friend. And

947
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: then it's great when you get that kind of relationship

948
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: with doctors because they're going to talk to you as

949
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: all of them would, honestly, but more in a family

950
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 3: way that you're gonna you know, they really care.

951
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely for sure.

952
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking, if you really live to be forever,

953
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to add more wings to the cabin.

954
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna need more. That's and you could have.

955
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm lamenting.

956
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: I'm actually mad because you could have been the chillest

957
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: guy in the planet for seventy five years on the

958
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: state hockey tournament instead of just that's it. See, yeah,

959
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 4: might have to drive in the Stom's true. They would

960
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 4: have figured it out. I'm sure that the river road

961
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: would be fixed one of those years. So next week

962
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: from the road with us.

963
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: Right right, from all being Florida.

964
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: Next Florida, next week, right, Well what chat then? Great

965
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: stuff is always thanks man.

966
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, nice to be with you guys.

967
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: Always good to be with you. And we'll see someone.

968
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: That's it. That's about it. Let's make this the top

969
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: of the hour pause. Let's talk a little bit about

970
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 2: the the breaking news regarding the Target Corporation. Some more

971
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: details coming forward today. We'll get into some of that,

972
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: and who knows what else when we come final segment

973
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: of the show.

974
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 4: This evening is presented by American Pressure commercial grade pressure

975
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 4: Washers since nineteen seventy five.

976
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: It's the Bumper to Bumper show wrap. I forgot it.

977
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: Turns out we aren't going till six thirty tonight. We've

978
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: got Vikings programming to get in and so we'll be

979
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: out what about ten minutes from now something like that,

980
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: six minutes from mark Man? All right, Well, then I

981
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: probably waited too long to get to could you hit

982
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: find the calendar calamity SoundBite? Because I did tease it earlier.

983
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: I want to at least touch upon it.

984
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 3: East The Minnesota Sports Calendar of.

985
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: Calamity one of the most underrated calamitous moments in Golden

986
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: Golf for football history. Maybe underrated in part because it

987
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: goes back all the way to nineteen eighty nine. Oh yeah,

988
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: was when we blew a thirty one point lead against

989
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: the Ohio State Buckeyes. This was at the Metrodome. I

990
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: was at this game. I chronicled this game. I remember

991
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: it well. We end up losing forty one to thirty

992
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: seven in the final minute of the game. Gutikinst I believe.

993
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: I think Goody was the coach at that point, and

994
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: among the shocks of that game, Ohio State turned the

995
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: ball over in that game. The Buckeyes did six times,

996
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: not nine times, but six. That's a lot, and they

997
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: ended up coming from behind to win it. The Gophers

998
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: were up thirty one to eighteen heading into the fourth,

999
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: led by eleven with five minutes left, and then the

1000
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: Buckeyes scored twenty three points in the fourth quarter to

1001
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: take the lead with fifty one seconds left. That's not

1002
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: to be confused with well another one of those calamitous stunners.

1003
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: It was the Zach Kustak game against Northwestern in two

1004
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: thousand thousand. On this time, remember, we blew a twenty

1005
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: one point lead in that one and lost to Northwestern

1006
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: at the buzzer on a hail Mary forty one to

1007
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: thirty five. I just walked back into my house.

1008
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: For like the final two years, I was listening to

1009
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 4: it Ray Christenton on the radio.

1010
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: It was. It was And I've told the story before.

1011
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: I've tried to get Mace going. Before that, the Coustock

1012
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 2: family stopped one summer in Dinkytown to talk to Glenn Mason.

1013
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: He was looking for a place to land left handed quarterback,

1014
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: and Mace was not interested. Now Mace has said since

1015
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: he didn't even remember the story that way. Bottom line

1016
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: is Kustock ended up going to Northwestern and worked out

1017
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: pretty well. Worked out pretty well for him, at least

1018
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: on that occasion. And then another underrated one Vikings related

1019
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: goes back all the way to nineteen hundred and eighty

1020
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: four in Archie Manning's first start. Archie Mannings first start

1021
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: as a Vikings quarterback, he was sacked eleven times by

1022
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears, and of course the eighty five Bears

1023
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: a year later, eighty four, they are already good.

1024
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 4: Eighty five. They were incredibly good defensively. But the doctor

1025
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: said he could do no further damage to his shoulder.

1026
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: That's exactly it was saying. He was fine. Eleven sacks,

1027
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: that's a lot. Double when you get to double digit sacks, yeah,

1028
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: one for every player on the defense. That's pretty remarkable.

1029
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: The target story is not good. More than eight hundred

1030
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: Tird employees laid off today and start to Mune has

1031
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: a story, and maybe we try to delve into this

1032
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: a little more deeply tomorrow. I would almost and I'd

1033
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: like to hear from folks who might have been affected

1034
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: by this. The announcement was that they would restructure and

1035
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: eliminate eighteen hundred positions, with about one thousand losing their jobs.

1036
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: And one of the things they explore in the start

1037
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: to Mune is this notion that the it's it's an

1038
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: example of the way the corporate environment works these days,

1039
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: which basically is layoffs have become more impersonal because in

1040
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: part the rise of remote and hybrid work, where employees

1041
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 2: may meet colleagues only a few times a year. Anyway,

1042
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: sometimes there's no warning at all. Apparently the the online

1043
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: system they had was not particularly effective either. Some people

1044
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: could hear I guess on the call, some could not.

1045
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: More detail on that tomorrow, but obviously devastating news for

1046
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are without a job at

1047
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: this point. And it's targeted, it's local, and we'll try

1048
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: to get maybe into that in a little more a

1049
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: little deeper on tomorrow's program, which also is Kessler Day

1050
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: amazing as well, and Barry Alvarez maybe who's to say,

1051
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: maybe the target thing.

1052
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 4: I know, we'll talk more about it. I just couldn't

1053
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 4: stop thinking about it this weekend because the whole news

1054
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 4: was they tell you we're doing layoffs, right, I know

1055
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: there's no good way to do it. Our company, lord knows,

1056
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: we've been through a million of them right from the

1057
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: time that we've been here. There's no good way to

1058
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: do any of these things, but to say, by the way, tuesday, everybody,

1059
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 4: orby sending out layoff notices, so enjoy the weekend and

1060
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: we'll let you know what happens Tuesday.

1061
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 2: Like, it's just really tough and worse they then were

1062
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: they get the email at eight telling him we got

1063
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: a nine a m. Audio call with human resources, and

1064
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: according to several outlets, the auto did not even work

1065
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: for about half of the employees. So that in itself

1066
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: is inexcusable, and it lends credence to well, it's just

1067
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 2: it's more, it's colder and more corporate than ever. If

1068
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: it's the old deal of you got to do what

1069
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: you got to do, if your target you got, at

1070
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: least one would think come up with a better approach

1071
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: to people are not going to be probably satisfied with

1072
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: what they hear, but at least have the courtesy to

1073
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: give them a chance to hear it, for God's sake.

1074
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: And apparently a number of individuals. We're not even able

1075
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: to follow through and get proper audio quality on the

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Speaker 2: audio call. Appreciate the call today, the text today as well.

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Speaker 2: Seyffert in studio at three point thirty, we thank him,

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Speaker 2: and a great hour as always with Louis Luigi as

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Speaker 2: we like to affectionately call in between five and six o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of the evening. Vikings Country is that

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Speaker 2: next no Viking's Uncensored nik Country. The hockey even better.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow beginning a three.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the memories, Thank you for the great time.

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Speaker 2: We love you Dad, Well go twins.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the airtime, and

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon.