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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Let's Garden Scott Berlin.

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Speaker 1: That's me. I'm here with Brian Jorge. Let's just say

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Speaker 1: my co host today, sometimes enemy, sometimes friend from the

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Speaker 1: Sinsano Potanical Garden in Zoo. And just a reminder that

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Speaker 1: the podcasts are available almost immediately after the show on

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Speaker 1: your favorite podcast podcast provider. We have with us now, Brian.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite people, Jennifer Brennan from Chicago. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's true, I enjoy every minute with you, Jennifer. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen often enough, but we catch each other at

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Speaker 1: the Perennial plan Association conferences and sometimes a few other things.

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Speaker 1: You're always so positive and so knowledgeable. I knew you

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Speaker 1: had a great background, but when I did a little

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Speaker 1: research on this, I was amazed at all the things

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Speaker 1: you have done.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, you're drugg into my past.

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Speaker 1: Take it to your past and you've been Uh you've

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Speaker 1: worked at what is it Chalet Landscape and Nursery Garden

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Speaker 1: Center for many years and what a great way to

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Speaker 1: learn everything center thirty five years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just retired February first from there.

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Speaker 1: And then you immediately started your own company. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you're now a horticultural consultant. Uh. Yes, you do a

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Speaker 1: lot of speaking. You go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh it's been it's been fantastic because I do

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Speaker 2: on site consultations. I saw a real need for that,

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Speaker 2: you know, and then going into people's gardens to actually see,

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Speaker 2: you know, see what's going on, you know, in you know,

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Speaker 2: in real dimensions. And it's so different than looking at

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Speaker 2: a photo and you know, and then just looking at

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Speaker 2: samples under a microscope. And so it has it has

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Speaker 2: been so much fun. And I mean things are picking

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Speaker 2: off like crazy. I love it, love it.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, that's really awesome. You've been part of the Perennial

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Speaker 1: plan Association also for a very long time. Uh you

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Speaker 1: won thirty years thirty years, Yeah, Guard you won the

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Speaker 1: Garden Media Award, which is awesome. You were president. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for a while. So and you and you you

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Speaker 1: studied with doctor Durr back at the University of Illinois,

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back when he was a sweet young thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean seriously, he was like thirty five and we

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Speaker 2: were all you know, in our you know, our our

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Speaker 2: early twenties. So so I mean, and he he can

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Speaker 2: be a bit competitive. Oh yeah, back then, he's really competitive.

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Speaker 2: I mean back then. And man, he hated, he hated

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Speaker 2: that I got an A in his course by point

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Speaker 2: zero three points.

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Speaker 1: But you did it, you did it. Yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 1: I did. For people who don't know, doctor Michael Durr

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Speaker 1: has written the what is it called The Manual of

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Speaker 1: Woody Plants or Woody Landscape.

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Speaker 2: Woody Woody Landscape class you know that was that's like

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Speaker 2: he was you know, he was the maven for you know,

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Speaker 2: he is the maven for for woody plants.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's the bible every HOURT student uh has to

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Speaker 1: have I.

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Speaker 2: Think, uh and uh And like now now it's like

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Speaker 2: it's like four inches thick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And my class, my class was the class that had

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Speaker 2: his very first book and it was you know, it

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Speaker 2: was it was only about two inches thick and bright orange.

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Speaker 2: And from I think the company was, you know, Stipes

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Speaker 2: Publishing out of you know, out of out of champagn Havana.

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Speaker 2: And and when I ran into him, oh, I know,

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Speaker 2: the Chicago Horticultural Society gave him a big honor and

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Speaker 2: his new book was out, but I grabbed the old

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Speaker 2: one because I didn't want to carry the great big

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Speaker 2: new one to go get. I never had him on

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Speaker 2: a classic. I walked up to him and he's got

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Speaker 2: that Lauren's ring. He goes, oh my god, you still

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Speaker 2: have that. Yeah, you know, I don't want to carry

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Speaker 2: that having one to get your autograph, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know why I didn't get your autographic back then, so

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Speaker 2: you know. So, but he was very kind with his autograph,

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Speaker 2: you know. You know, so he was He was a

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Speaker 2: nice guy. But I know I'd learned so much from him.

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Speaker 1: He's so knowledgeable. He's doing a lot of breeding work now.

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Speaker 1: He's putting a lot of He's retired from University of

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Speaker 1: Georgia and and now he's been breeding a lot of

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Speaker 1: iberniums and hydrangea and different things. So the work continues.

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Speaker 2: Great selections, Yeah, he does great selections.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of plant breeding, that was one of the subjects

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Speaker 1: cool to bring up during this conversation. Yeah, and you've

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Speaker 1: talk about by some of our favorite different breeders, and

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Speaker 1: number one would be uh Hans Hansen out of Walter's

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Speaker 1: Gardener Gardens or proven winners up in Michigan, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: was so nervous. He doesn't like to get in front

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Speaker 1: but you know what, as nervous speakers go, he was

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Speaker 1: And it was amazing, absolutely amazing. And the work. I've

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Speaker 1: got to tour up there in Michigan with him and

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Speaker 1: look at all the things he's working with. It was

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Speaker 1: His Mongovi collection.

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Speaker 2: Oh god. Yeah, did you get to see his garden too?

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Speaker 1: I did not. I've seen photos online and different things,

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker 1: Sum I feel cheated now.

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Speaker 2: On your bucket. Absolutely, It's quite a few miles away

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Speaker 2: from Walters, so you know, so you probably just didn't

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Speaker 1: Well, definitely, it was a whirldwind trip. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I describe Hants as saying, almost anybody listening right now

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Speaker 1: probably has at least one of his plants in their gardens.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He is such a prolific breeder of much many, many

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Speaker 1: popular cultivars. It's pretty amazing. What are you what are

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Speaker 1: your some some of your favorites.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I any any of his hostas that

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Speaker 2: he comes out with Brother Steve, and I love that one.

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Speaker 2: And then uh, and then the hardy hibiscus his reading work,

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Speaker 2: you know, to you know, so that you get hibiscus

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Speaker 2: that blew all the way down the stems, not just

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Speaker 2: at the ends of the branches. And then and then

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Speaker 2: he's variegated, and you know, the variegation on the foliage

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Speaker 2: that he's selected for. Oh, I mean just I mean amazing.

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Speaker 2: And then oh then there's still bees. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: that new one, the new one the dark side of

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Speaker 1: Know, which is appropriate for this week? Right?

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Speaker 2: Which appropriate? Yeah? I mean how appropriate that this just

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Speaker 3: You know that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a beauty with the darker foliage and the

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Speaker 1: was it like a pinkish magenta flower?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's just and what with that dark foliage, and

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Speaker 2: then you know, and then the flower it just pumps,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean you could put it in you know,

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Speaker 2: in shade, shade, shade, you can put it in the

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Speaker 2: morning sun, and and it just you know, it's going

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Speaker 2: to be the highlight into the highlight of that garden bed.

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Speaker 2: Wherever you place it, it's going to be just gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: Going back to some of the hibiscus, uh, I think

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Speaker 1: it mostly his work is in the summerrifics. Here am

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Speaker 1: I righting on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's yeah, that's I think there's like three

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Speaker 2: different groups, but the summerrific are the latest ones that

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Speaker 2: are just beautiful. And then and then you know he's

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Speaker 2: his work has you know, brought some of the size

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Speaker 2: down also. Yeah, so you don't have these great big

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Speaker 2: monsters shrubbier. Not bad to have a great big monster,

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Speaker 2: but you know, the low a lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 2: with our smaller landscapes, you know, the smaller ones, you know,

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Speaker 2: they don't overwhelm. But there's still these wonderful highlights in

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Speaker 1: Holy Grail's got that's that's an older one. Now it's

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Speaker 1: hard to say that it's probably only five or six

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Speaker 1: so fast. Yeah, but that one has the dark foliage

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Speaker 1: and the deep red, deep red flowers, and I just

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Speaker 2: I need too, I need too. Just you know, just

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Speaker 2: that that is such a showstopper. You know, you just can't,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean walking through like walking through a

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Speaker 2: you turn around because it's just so gorgeous, just and

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take a break, and when we

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Speaker 1: come back, let's talk about Baptisia for a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and we can talk about yeah, mangobbies and Sonia, so

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Speaker 1: many other great plants. So we'll be back in just

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. Our

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Speaker 1: number is eight hundred two three eighty two fifty five.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the studio with Brian jord and on the

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Speaker 1: things horticulture, and we're talking plants. We're talking great plants,

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Speaker 2: I said, Amen, Amen, Amen, can hear?

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Speaker 1: Can I hear from the choir? Amen? Yeah? You said

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Speaker 1: Hydrangea peniculata panicle hydrangeas. Which ones are you are at

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Speaker 1: hot dry spot, but you know, for those hot dry

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00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: spots you've got, they work well. And uh, you know,

432
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: they live for a long time.

433
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: And especially with this trend that's been happening, you know,

434
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: the last you know, four summers or it has been

435
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: so hot I mean, and then so dry. And I

436
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: know you've experienced that same thing. It was terrible up

437
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: here in the Chicago area.

438
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: If you even had it worse, you were hotter than

439
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: us for much of the last summer.

440
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: It was terrible. Uh. And we should have been getting

441
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, we were in like eighty five and ninety

442
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: average for most most of the summer. We had the

443
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: highest number of days in the nineties that they had

444
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: ever tracked and for this area, which was just ridiculous.

445
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: And then we weren't getting the rain. And you know,

446
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: when it's that hot, we should have been getting two

447
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: inches of rain a week and we weren't even getting

448
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: an inch. So and then I was always stunned at

449
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: you know, whenever I was working, people were completely oblivious

450
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: to the fact that we weren't getting any rain. You know,

451
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: I just you know, if you have a garden, you

452
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: know you should.

453
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: You should spak glue?

454
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: Do you range? You should have range?

455
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: You should have one? Uh forget me, yeah, survivor you

456
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: spend Wednesday nights for an hour looking at your rain gage.

457
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: Actually you need to look at it every other day

458
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: at the minimum.

459
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: Seriously, Well, I have I had a rain gage in

460
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: a garden right next to my driveway. So if it

461
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 2: rains overnight, I have a little notebook in my car.

462
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really a geek. I have a little

463
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: notebook in my car, and I check my rain gage

464
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: and I write it down. And then if I come

465
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: home from work, you know, and it's been rained during

466
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: the day, I check my rain gage and I write

467
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: it down and then if it's if it's not, you know,

468
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: if it's not, whatever is required based on the temperature,

469
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: either an minimum, you know, if it's seventy five or below,

470
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: or if it's higher than that, you need you know,

471
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: you need a happench for every ten degrees above seventy five.

472
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: And if it's not, you know, then I water. You know,

473
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: You've got to do that. And people, you know, people

474
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: you know aren't as geeky as I am, but that's.

475
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: You know, they should be. Everybody should be as geeky.

476
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm here, Yeah, I'm here.

477
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: I can be mom, you know I can be mom.

478
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: Could you check your rain gage today?

479
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: How does that? How did that da Coda Pinnacle birch

480
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: do for you in that heat and drought last year?

481
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned this as a plan you wanted to talk about.

482
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if people watered it, it was fine.

483
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: But you know, but but that is such a gorgeous

484
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: tree with that, I mean that one. When that was

485
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: first released, and the first time I saw it in

486
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: the nursery, I was walking through the nursery, it stopped

487
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: me in my tracks because the foliage is so dark

488
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: and so shiny. And then and then it has that

489
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: like cream colored you know, bark and oh man contrast. Oh,

490
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: it's so nice, it's so nice. And then you know,

491
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: and then you know, then it's it's it's so narrow,

492
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's it's such an upright and

493
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: narrow so you know, with.

494
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: On that corner of the house, people always want to

495
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: there they can and I.

496
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: Mean it's just and and and then. But you know,

497
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 2: if you you know, if you you know, line them

498
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: off along you know, along the side of a you know,

499
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: you know of a border, you know, a property border.

500
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: It's oh it's spectacular too, boy. That that company, that company,

501
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: uh J Frank Schmidt, Oh my gosh, they just have

502
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: the most phenomenal, you know releases. That. The other one

503
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: I mentioned in my notes was a pink flare cherry

504
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: and it's just going to start it's just going to

505
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: start blooming because it's two weeks later than most of

506
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: the most of the flowering cherries, so it doesn't it

507
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: doesn't get caught by those late season freezes. Like like

508
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: we've been having such a rollercoaster of weather, you know,

509
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: this spring, you know, eighty degrees and then back down

510
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: to you know, to twenty seven. So, you know, so

511
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: it's nice to have plants that are not as susceptible

512
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: to those fluctuating you know, for Mother Nature's you know,

513
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: kind of nasty tricks.

514
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Funny story about that plant. How funny story starts with

515
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: I had cancer in twenty sixteen and that all turned

516
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: out fine. But when when Nancy Buli found out, she

517
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: gave me sent down a pink flair cherry to me,

518
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: and you know, and so I had I put it

519
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: in the zoo nursery and said, everybody, please take care

520
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: of this for me while I'm out, you know, getting

521
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: my cancer taken care of. And then when I came

522
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: back to work, they had planted it in the garden.

523
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, they planted it at the zoo.

524
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: You know, so I'm like, God, they were doing a

525
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: nice thing.

526
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: You No, they completely forgot about me. Just I was

527
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: gone and forgotten, and they used it at the zoo

528
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: and I came back. It's like, you planted my tree,

529
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: but they planted it in a great spot where people

530
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: can see it, so it actually turned out. Well, I

531
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: didn't have a good spot for it anyway, that is,

532
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: but it is a great.

533
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: Your garden is so crowded. You're like me, I'm happy

534
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: when something dies because then I have space for something new.

535
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, You're like, oh, good, it died. I think

536
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: the other one in I was, oh my gosh at

537
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: the zoo. That's fantastic. Yeah, so it probably looks incredible

538
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: right now. I mean it's it's been in almost ten years.

539
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: Uh wow, yeah, yeah, it is twenty ten years. Yeah yeah.

540
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's grown and it looks it looks really nice.

541
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bloomed already this spring.

542
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: You know.

543
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I haven't been in that part of the zoo in

544
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: a this week, so it's either bloom this week or

545
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: about to have too.

546
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh wow, what a cool story.

547
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: I love that.

548
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Don't you just love it? You know, I mean

549
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: I just love good stories about plants where you can

550
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: just tie them and especially you know, especially that you

551
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: know your your story with around that it turned out

552
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: so well, So that's great plan.

553
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Plaque on the sky had cancer and they planted

554
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: my plant that I was supposed to get, and that

555
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: that would you give all the context and would be great.

556
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: You mentioned wa taxis. Taxises aren't a plant that people

557
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: talk about that much anymore.

558
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: That's why Greenway, that's another one that just stopped me

559
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: in my tracks. And we had gotten I think I

560
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 2: think it was about twenty five of them. So they

561
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: were all lined along, you know, our back road where

562
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: where the trucks were coming in and out and I'm walking,

563
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: and it stopped me in my trucks because it's got

564
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: this wonderful cascading branch structure. So it looks like a wave.

565
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: It looks like a wave of water. Like another part

566
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: of my fun history. I grew up and I went

567
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: to high school in Houston, and so it was one

568
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: of those I was a surfer chick down in Galveston,

569
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: down and the other thing. We'd all go down to

570
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: Galveston and you know, and and and and so so

571
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: it looks like a wave, you know, when you're paddling

572
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: out to catch a wave. It looks like just the

573
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: perfect wave and so not not a lot. No pruning

574
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: is necessary, which is unheard of on on on Japanese used.

575
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: You know, you just you have a Japanese union, You're

576
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: gonna prune it all the time, and this you don't

577
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: have to, and it can go each plant can go

578
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: like five feet wide, you know, five or six feet wide,

579
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: and only only go four, you know, maybe four to

580
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: four and a half feet tall. And then with that

581
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: wonderful arching and so it makes a beautiful foundation plant,

582
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: you know, up in front of you, in front of

583
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: you know, you know, a house, and with with no.

584
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Pruning, no pruning, watch right, with any taxes, I assume, well,

585
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, doug on it.

586
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's when that's when you get plant skied.

587
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: I love plant skied. That wonderful deer repellent. It works,

588
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't I don't say it right,

589
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: and they are they always correct me. It's like whenever

590
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: I say to Zoo, you know, I have a friend

591
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: that's Italian and she always says no, no, no, Zoo.

592
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, she goes, no, you didn't stay it right.

593
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: It's like plant skied planting P L A N T

594
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: S K Y D D you know, and and so

595
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: you know, plant skied, but most of them just say

596
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: plant skied, you know. But but but it works, it works.

597
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: And with that, you know, dual, you know, dual you know,

598
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, blood source, you know, and and sterilized it

599
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: it works fabulously, especially against deer. You know, you just

600
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: have to use it. It doesn't work in the.

601
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: Bottle repeated, that's right, does.

602
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: Work in the bottle on the plants.

603
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: That nice.

604
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jennifer has been great talking with you. Let's uh,

605
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: let's do it again sometimes talk plants, uh, sometime down

606
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: the road.

607
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: And I think honored, absolutely absolutely up in Michigan. Finish,

608
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: I guess. So that's that's that's drivable for.

609
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: Both of us easily, yeah, and worth it, well worth it.

610
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's plan it on that.

611
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You're welcome for including me.

612
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here in your show.

613
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: It's been a blast. It's been a bass. It's always

614
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: great to talk with you.

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