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Speaker 1: All right, now, Billy Cunningham, the Great America from the

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Speaker 1: Double Wide and Naples and New Year, I'm back.

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Speaker 2: My little week's.

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Speaker 1: Vacation was wonderful. It was a stay vacation. I monitored

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Speaker 1: five nine twelve nineteen our newsroom. I read the Inquiry

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Speaker 1: every day. I talked to Tony Bender at least three

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Speaker 1: to Joe Dieters. So it was a wonderful week off.

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Speaker 1: But now I'm back at it. And while I monitor everything,

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Speaker 1: you have to point out to Tony Tony Pike, remember

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Speaker 1: that guy.

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Speaker 3: He's back.

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Speaker 1: Tony Pike is in the Hall of Fame with UC.

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Speaker 1: We got the UC Bearcats tied for first place in

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve, the Big eleven, the Big fourteen. Then

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Speaker 1: we have the Ben Galley's of course on Sunday against

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Speaker 1: the Lowly Jets, and that we could have a quarterback controversy.

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Speaker 1: If Wacko Flacco keeps playing like this when Joe's ready

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Speaker 1: to come back Burrow, he may not get his old

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Speaker 1: job back. But that's another matter. Joining you and I

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Speaker 1: now is the Great Brian Hambrick of the Power of

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Speaker 1: Five and Brian Hamrick Welcome to the Bill cunning A Show.

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Speaker 1: My first guest after a week off from my double

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Speaker 1: wide and near Naples. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. Brian,

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Speaker 1: how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for getting mister Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was there monitoring events. There was a classic

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Speaker 1: scene I had from your newsroom when you're running down

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Speaker 1: the hallway of eight to one Plump Street trying to

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Speaker 1: chase down share along. She was morphing into various objects,

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Speaker 1: and you got close to her, she became a chair,

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Speaker 1: and then when you walked away, she suddenly popped up.

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Speaker 1: It came like a water cooler, and then you moved

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Speaker 1: a little bit, she became a door. In other words,

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Speaker 1: she avoided you like you had the plague or you

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Speaker 1: had COVID and you were chasing Charey along eight of

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Speaker 1: one Plump Street for what reason? In the hallways she

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Speaker 1: ignored you completely explained that.

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Speaker 2: One well, you know, I mean James Round didn't have

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Speaker 3: You know, I feel good, I feel good, or.

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Speaker 4: Any one of them to try and get out of

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Speaker 4: the way of the questioning. I mean, Walter Payton could

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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. You know, people think maybe, you know,

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Speaker 2: we get a kick out of this. You know, was

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Speaker 2: much easier for me if they just come out and

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Speaker 5: You know, we don't choose to walk them down like this.

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Speaker 5: But the reality is we have been trying over and

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Speaker 5: over and over to talk to anybody in the city

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Speaker 2: That's what everybody wants to hear from. She is at

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Speaker 2: the center of this entire event. Good batter indifferent might

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Speaker 2: be the greatest thing that ever happened, But that's the

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Speaker 2: person that you need to talk to because everybody else

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Speaker 2: can just debate this thing. We can all talk about, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, this city councilman wants to do it this

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Speaker 2: he's not sure what it's about. The mayor is not

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Speaker 2: sure what it's about. Nobody knows. She's the only one

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Speaker 2: person with the information. Now, you know, on their side,

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Speaker 2: their side of it is, it's a personnel matter, it's

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Speaker 2: an ongoing investigation. We can't tell you anything. Well, that's

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Speaker 2: that's just not enough. I mean, there are things. You

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Speaker 2: Hall and I had already prepared that this is what

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Speaker 2: a pressor. Now, if you don't want to see me

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Speaker 2: or any of the other TV stations, why would you

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Speaker 2: Put it off until next week, you know, do something

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Speaker 2: else you don't you don't put up press go who

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Speaker 2: So I go up there coming, Yeah, so I think

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Speaker 2: apparently she's not even sure the folks her attorney said,

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Speaker 1: Right, she serves for the pleasure of the city manager

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Speaker 1: We're all on the same page. Thinks she's doing a

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Speaker 1: great job. July twenty six, she kind of went after

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Speaker 1: But let's go down history's hallway just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to Cheryl Long, who was the assistant

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Speaker 1: Assistant city manager making little or no money, and at

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Speaker 1: Then within a week it surfaces that she'd filed personal bankruptcy,

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Speaker 1: If she's the most qualified, the mayor said, of those

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Speaker 3: Are they in drunk tank somewhere. I'm thinking, how in

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Speaker 1: Does is fire the police chief, a guy named Washington,

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Speaker 1: the new fire chief, McKinley, you pay us back. He's out,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the money. They then say, we got

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Speaker 1: let's move on to Fiji. For God's sakes.

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Speaker 3: And I'm looking at this.

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Speaker 1: Let's put us put some canvas top on top of

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Speaker 2: Hit halftime there.

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Speaker 3: Look what the hell's going on around this place? Can

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Speaker 2: This to the mayor long list? But then there was,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, And then you're trying to find out

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Speaker 1: You're doing a great job. Keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: It's wonderful. Then she gets fired what she serves in

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Speaker 1: But the mayor doesn't want that. It looks bad, so

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Speaker 2: That fired? Right?

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Speaker 3: Can you smell when I'm cooking?

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Speaker 2: It is? But these are all the things, and this

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Speaker 2: important to try and get something, get some answers from

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Speaker 2: And that's when we caught up with her in the hall.

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Speaker 2: And if you watch that carefully, she puts the she

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what is that about? Well, I'm looking at it,

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Speaker 3: I'm hiding. I'm hiding to hide my folder, like.

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Speaker 2: We don't know who she is. I mean, it was

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Speaker 3: Yes or a no?

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Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with with personnel at her.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't see it. You see, I had my sunglasses on.

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Speaker 3: Behind her folder.

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Speaker 2: You know, you put all those guys out in front

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Speaker 2: It would have been one hundred times better. She's gone. You

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Speaker 2: But you know what they did. They didn't come out.

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Speaker 2: In the city building. They found and I even asked

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Speaker 2: That is a bad look for anybody.

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Speaker 2: You know. I worked at in public relations to University

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Speaker 2: And this was many, many years ago, and I was

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Speaker 6: Not everybody's going to agree with you. You're gonna you'll tell

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Speaker 3: Trump's the same way. He'll tell you he's gonna he's

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do it. Yeah, you don't do it

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Speaker 2: it's under investigation. And what investigation are you going to

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Speaker 1: Made up, well, you know, Brian, Brian Hemry Channel five.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of for to watch this show,

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Speaker 1: We have to let you go, and you get full

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Speaker 3: That we knew nothing about that.

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Speaker 1: We got to fire her and keep keep this under

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Speaker 1: so they're hanging out to dry is to dirty her up.

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Speaker 1: The mission is the dirty up Thiji right now because

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Speaker 1: That's what's behind this, That's what they want.

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Speaker 2: They want something that whenever she walks out of that building,

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Speaker 2: And you know, there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: and had to walk her down. No, he would have

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Speaker 3: Let's talk.

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Speaker 2: She been finer on the spot. Yeah, yeah, we'll be

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Speaker 2: glad you wait. Wait, I think I see some other

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Speaker 2: in a minute. We'll do it all, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So that's what's happening. They're going this is that's the

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Speaker 2: bottom line. They want a deal where she can't say

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and they want to keep the lid onto

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Speaker 3: Call her in.

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Speaker 1: You're a good woman, You've been here a long time.

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Speaker 1: You'd exactly what we told you to do, and it failed.

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Speaker 1: We can't take blame ourselves. You got to blame you.

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Speaker 1: Here's two or three million dollars. Sign this, you'll be

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Speaker 1: rich and away you go. Well, we got to run,

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Speaker 1: Brian Hemrick. But one of the best things I saw

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Speaker 1: the last few days was you chasing down a folder

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Speaker 1: named Cheryl Long MS folder who is talking about nothing

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Speaker 1: except hiring the disabled, which probably ways a great idea,

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Speaker 1: but nonetheless, Uh, Brian Hemrick, thanks for coming on the

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show, and may you continue to have great

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Speaker 1: success in what you do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian.

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Speaker 2: I've got that folder filed under bizarre. Thanks again, mister Cunningham.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again, Brian Hemrick of the Power of five. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well, Let's continue with more folder running, city hall, bankruptcy,

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Speaker 1: tax leans, unexcused absences, garnishing wages. Let's get dirt on

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Speaker 1: Thiji to put on top of that pile of crap.

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