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Speaker 2: Central Standard time, and welcome you back to a Thursday

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Speaker 2: edition of the Bumper to Bumpert program on a beautiful,

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Speaker 2: uh wintry weekday afternoon here in the twin cities of

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero hosting

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Speaker 2: the program. Guards he is back with us for the

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Speaker 2: distance today. You go in the distance three to six thirty.

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Speaker 3: Another game.

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Speaker 1: I see no reason why I won't. I wondered if

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Speaker 1: it was at all possible that after a rather one

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Speaker 1: sided loss for the.

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Speaker 2: Goal for women's team to highly ranked I think third

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Speaker 2: ranked correct UCLA Bruins, that you might be you know,

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Speaker 2: brought in for extra duty, just like the players. In

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Speaker 2: other words, that they might somehow hold you accountable in

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Speaker 2: your role as the voice.

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Speaker 3: Of the team. Sure.

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Speaker 1: I worry sometimes that you get end up getting lumped

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Speaker 1: in good or bad. I mean I have some ideas,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was a sophomore basketball coach. Coach I'm

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Speaker 1: coaching traveling. Yeah, I could give them some thoughts and ideas.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can much center. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of ideas for that. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: Well, in any case, we're delighted that you were back

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Speaker 2: with us, and we're going as I said, I think

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Speaker 2: the distance till six thirty tonight. Guardgis is the ongoing producer.

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Speaker 2: I'm a former Inkstain Ratch newspaper of the Twin Cities.

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Speaker 2: Very good guest lineup today that will include Glenn Mason

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Speaker 2: in studio at four oh two, Tom Crean not in

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Speaker 2: studio at five two, and most assurely not in studio,

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Speaker 2: but maybe here in spirit. The former governor of the

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Speaker 2: Great State of Minnesota, Arnie Carlson, is scheduled to join

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Speaker 2: the program three thirty this evening. I would say, buckle up.

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Speaker 2: The Governor has not lost any of his fire and

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Speaker 2: brimstone and fury. Even if he doesn't live here any longer,

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Speaker 2: he still pays a lot of attention. He still writes

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Speaker 2: op ed pieces that end up in the Start Tribune,

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Speaker 2: and I know he has expressed and will continue to

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Speaker 2: express with us a number of opinions on the madness

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Speaker 2: that continue to continues to ensue here in the Twin

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Speaker 2: Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul. The governor tends to

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Speaker 2: call them as he sees them, one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: we like having him on.

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Speaker 3: So that's three thirty tonight. When I talked to him

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Speaker 3: earlier this afternoon, did that go? He asked?

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Speaker 1: First of all, he says he's delighted, delighted. He always

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Speaker 1: says delight addicted that okay, Yeah, delighted is a is

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Speaker 1: a great word.

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Speaker 3: He's delighted to join. And I get this question a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'll call or I'll text whatever from guests and they'll say,

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Speaker 1: what does Dan want to talk about?

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Speaker 3: And sometimes I know, like I have a real good feel.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't really know, yes, And all I said was, well,

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Speaker 1: Governor everything, And he just laughed and said, I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you in a couple of hours. You're not wrong,

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Speaker 1: You're not wrong. That's kind of my bailout answer. Pretty

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Speaker 1: much everything that you've been watching. Hoping we cover a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope we do. And if he wants to go,

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Speaker 2: here's what I really want him to do. I wonder

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Speaker 2: if he'd want to hang for a few minutes with Mace.

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Speaker 2: He was a big Golden Gopher supporter, as you know

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Speaker 2: massive to the point where we've kidded about this and

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Speaker 2: he used to routinely write letters to the editor savaging

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Speaker 2: Patrick Royci and me. Yeah, anytime we took any kind

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Speaker 2: I remember hearing him on halftime shows. Yeah, constantly, he

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Speaker 2: still watches the games when he can. Well, Mace is

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Speaker 1: We could slide Mason, or we just say you want

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Speaker 2: Maybe because the governor was no longer governor when he

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Speaker 1: Gone when he got fired. Mace got fired. Yes, when

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Speaker 3: He might be right. I'll double check it.

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Speaker 2: Brad Shawn Brian Kafan text line has indeed been rebooted

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Speaker 2: at six four six eight six six four six eight

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Speaker 2: that the new mantra for college sports, particularly one could

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Speaker 2: say college basketball should be a shrug of the shoulders

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Speaker 2: and a the cost of doing business. Are we rapidly

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Speaker 2: reaching a point where there is no point in getting

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Speaker 2: bothered by, frustrated, by, enraged by another point shaving scheme? Now,

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Speaker 2: the scheme's not new, but the new information we have

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Speaker 2: the names attached to it aren't massive that is not

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Speaker 2: going to get the attention that it deserved earlier. Today,

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Speaker 2: the government charges twenty individuals in a point shaving scheme

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Speaker 2: that involves thirty nine Let me preat that thirty nine

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Speaker 2: college basketball players with seventeen Division one.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen of the defendants played college basketball in the twenty

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Speaker 2: And here's the most chilling part. Four of the players

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Speaker 2: played for their current teams within the past week. Here's

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Speaker 2: the quote from the US attorney in a news conference.

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Speaker 2: This was a massive scheme that enveloped the world of

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Speaker 2: if the process began with an attempt to fix games

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Speaker 2: in the CBA, not the old fashioned Continental Basketball Association,

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Speaker 2: which no longer exists, but the Chinese Basketball Association. At

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Speaker 3: Bribes.

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Speaker 2: The range on the bribes anywhere from ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: And as others have already suggested, and I can't disagree

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Speaker 2: we're probably five scandals behind. There's probably three of them

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Speaker 3: No question.

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Speaker 2: And what again, what you're left with is we've talked

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Speaker 2: how many times have we talked about it? The genie's

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Speaker 2: not going clearly is not going back in the bottle.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's make enjoying too much money that is added by

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we catch it.

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Speaker 2: We seem to have things in place that get triggered

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Speaker 2: that should actually make it easier to catch these guys.

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Speaker 2: But it's the cost of doing business. We're not going.

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Speaker 1: To apologize for the way we have come together with

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Speaker 3: There's too much money to be had on it.

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Speaker 2: So you can be mad at us, you can be outraged,

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Speaker 2: you can demand answers. We'll try to hold the individuals

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Speaker 2: one's really going to try to rethink how we got

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Speaker 1: And now is it the NCAA that's trying to talk

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Speaker 1: to like the gambling people to say, hey, can we

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Speaker 1: stop with the prop bets they are trying Q Chris Weber, Well,

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Speaker 1: it would help. I guess it definitely would help. But

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Speaker 1: it's but you want to talk about toothpaste out of

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Speaker 1: a tube? Yeah, it's probably that's probably the most I'm

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Speaker 1: not a huge gambler, as you know, but I would

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Speaker 3: I would have to imagine.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right in gambling when it comes to

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Speaker 2: And again this is not from five years ago. No,

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Speaker 2: this involves I don't know the names you have. I

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Speaker 2: Are they all sort of viewed as because division one?

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Speaker 3: It is, yes?

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Speaker 2: But is it more viewed as players that aren't that

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Speaker 1: And that's how a lot of these betting scandals happen

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Speaker 3: The problem is when you bet like half.

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Speaker 1: A million dollars on like Kennesaw State versus Eastern Michigan,

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Speaker 1: that might be a signal. It's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: should be that difficult. That's the comeback I already had

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Speaker 1: that we were barking up the wrong tree. It's actually

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Speaker 1: the legalized gambling that makes it more likely that those

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Speaker 1: whatever chicanery is going on. There's some truth to that,

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Speaker 1: but I also think that's a convenient logic from people

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Speaker 1: off of the world of legalize gambling. The fan wants

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Speaker 1: to give you a shot to win bonus bucks. It

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Speaker 1: is our national cash contest. It's not gambling. The keyword

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Speaker 2: Former Governor Arnie Carlson will join next segment bottom of

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Speaker 2: the hour. We hope for an extended visit with him,

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Speaker 2: Glenn Mason in studio and Tom Crean. We'll talk NBA

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Speaker 2: and maybe some college I might have a chance to

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Speaker 2: talk to him about how he processes this latest college

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Speaker 2: basketball betting scandal. The cliche has never let a good

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Speaker 2: scandal go to waste or something like that. To that end,

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Speaker 2: Nathan in Montana writes, how odd is it that the

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Speaker 2: state with unprecedented fraud slash corruption that's resulted in the

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Speaker 2: loss of billions of dollars is also the same state

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Speaker 2: that's vastly limited the ability to bet on sports? How paradoxical? Ooh, paradoxical,

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Speaker 2: good word, very well stated.

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Speaker 1: Here's the other question, rights, Yeah, all the money we

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Speaker 2: But the reality is, the insidious reality is what the

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Speaker 2: He clearly knows how to run a program. He absolutely

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Speaker 3: I think we've for me. I've already seen enough to

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Speaker 1: And that's really not different than that, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Going to make it particularly splashy. But the guy knows

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Speaker 3: What he's doing that.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to learn on the job. He knows

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Speaker 2: You can argue this market given his experience here, his back,

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Speaker 3: So I think all those things are are very good things.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the crowds, I thought Fridays against USC

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Speaker 2: Tom from Columbia Heights is a bit defensive regarding Montana guy.

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Speaker 2: Dan tell Montana guy to not talk about a state

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Speaker 2: Definitely not, And I'll say it because I've already gotten

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Speaker 2: You could always argue you're in it more if you're

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you are.

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Speaker 2: But if you think we should think twice about putting

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Speaker 3: Let's do this.

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Speaker 2: Let's break right now, give us a little extra time

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Speaker 4: You know, the only time I get nostalgic at battle

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had you might have enjoyed this.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Eric Musselman is now coaching Southern cal and he

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Speaker 2: That was last Friday night, and we had him on

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Speaker 4: I saw that. Yeah, it was unfortunate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm really I'm very upbeat. I think we're

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Speaker 1: Well, the head coach, Nico medved I think has already

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Speaker 3: He's just got to get more players and he certainly.

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Speaker 2: All Right, there's a lot to ground to try to cover. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think since the Los Angeles riots after the.

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Speaker 3: Police being nine exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So your reaction to that warning, do you do you

442
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Speaker 2: think he means it? And what's the best strategy to

443
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Speaker 2: deal with him at a time like this?

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Speaker 3: Regarding that particular threat.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I think you're raising exactly the

446
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 4: right question, and I think we have to agree or

447
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 4: across the board, this situation has to be diffused. If

448
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Speaker 4: the President said he may use the Insurrection Act, I

449
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Speaker 4: would take it very seriously and assume he would. What

450
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Speaker 4: I would suggest is the following is that Governor Walls

451
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Speaker 4: immediately contact both of our US Senators and ask them

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Speaker 4: to publicly request the President to cease fire for at

453
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Speaker 4: least four days. The protesters go home, and ICE goes

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Speaker 4: back to its normalcy, And in the meantime, I would

455
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Speaker 4: love to see Governor Wallz bring together the leadership of

456
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Speaker 4: Minnesota really make one Minnesota a reality. I would bring

457
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Speaker 4: together some we tired judges, business leaders, academic leaders, nonprofit leaders,

458
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Speaker 4: summon them to the Governor's residents and ask and I

459
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Speaker 4: specifically would suggest former Chief Justice Kathleen Blatz and former

460
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Speaker 4: president of Hormel Jeff Ettinger serve as co chairs and

461
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Speaker 4: they work with this leadership team on a plan that

462
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Speaker 4: can diffuse the situation and then go to Washington and

463
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Speaker 4: meet with the White House and try to negotiate an agreement.

464
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Speaker 4: But what we have right now will lead to a

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Speaker 4: civil war. You mentioned the Rodney King episode in nineteen

466
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Speaker 4: ninety two, some sixty three people who were killed and

467
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Speaker 4: over two thousand were seriously injured. We do not need

468
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Speaker 4: a civil war in the United States, and certainly not

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Do you fear it could get that dangerous and that bad?

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Speaker 4: I would assume. So I think you've all has got

472
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Speaker 4: to assume the worst that work backwards and ask yourself

473
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Speaker 4: what is it we should have done to prevent it?

474
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Speaker 4: And I think right now we need a buffer. I

475
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Speaker 4: don't think Governor Wallas. I think he's done the right

476
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Speaker 4: thing in one agree not to run and two taking

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Speaker 4: a low profile in the last several days. That's the

478
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Speaker 4: right thing to do. But I would put some new

479
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Speaker 4: faces up there right now, and I would suggest again

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Speaker 4: Blatz and Ettinger and a trip to the White House

481
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Speaker 4: and see if they can't negotiate as some ceasefire and

482
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Speaker 4: a permanent or more lasting resolution until the federal courts

483
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Speaker 4: have spoken out.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say that, because I'm guessing there's

485
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Speaker 2: a lot of folks out there going, well, why would

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Speaker 2: I even want to sit down with an individual who

487
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Speaker 2: is capable of fomenting and inviting what he is invited

488
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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. And yet, as you well know, we have

489
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Speaker 2: a number of occasions where the faced face discussion maybe

490
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: doesn't last forever, but for a period of time. I'm

491
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Speaker 2: not gonna say it disarms Trump, but it does seem

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Speaker 2: to give him something to think about in a way

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Speaker 2: that he otherwise wouldn't. I guess I'm surprised that some

494
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Speaker 2: form of what you're suggesting, no matter how the individuals

495
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Speaker 2: in this meeting might feel about the President, would go

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Speaker 2: forward and attempt to do exactly.

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Speaker 3: What you suggest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we need this kind of approach very, very badly,

499
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Speaker 4: and very immediately, because right now this is like the

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Speaker 4: opening of World War one Light one match and the

501
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: world's going to blow up, and that's kind of where

502
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Speaker 4: we're are right now. One more shot and who knows

503
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Speaker 4: what will happen.

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Speaker 2: Part of the played out. I watched a lot of

505
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Speaker 2: it on Fox nine last night. There was a lot

506
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Speaker 2: of really good live coverage from the scene of this

507
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: second shooting, and there's obviously at the start a lot

508
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Speaker 2: of missing information or no one's really sure what's going on.

509
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Speaker 2: But what you do notice, or what I noticed, is

510
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Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about a number of times that night,

511
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Speaker 2: watching the the the ice individuals come together in close

512
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Speaker 2: proximity with protesters, you just say, it's so easy for

513
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Speaker 2: this thing to escalate once again, out of control, and

514
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Speaker 2: you feel like it's inevitable if this, if this sort

515
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Speaker 2: of standoff is allowed to continue much longer.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, you know. I remember very well when I

517
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Speaker 4: was in the army. The sergeant announces we went out

518
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Speaker 4: to the rifle range. I will guarantee you that one

519
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: person in this platoon will take the rifle, swing it

520
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Speaker 4: around and almost shoot one of his colleagues, and I'll

521
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Speaker 4: be darned if that didn't happen. In other words, an

522
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Speaker 4: accidental shot could trigger off an incredible explosion, and we

523
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 4: don't need that. Let's diffuse the situation right now that

524
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Speaker 4: the first thing we need is to cease fire.

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Speaker 2: Let me get to some A lot of really good

526
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Speaker 2: texts have come in. I want to get your reaction

527
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Speaker 2: to some of this. As we continue with former Governor

528
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Speaker 2: Arnie Carlson. This comes in from Allen out of Afton,

529
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Speaker 2: and he writes, how would you suggest both sides de

530
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Speaker 2: escalate the situation. You've given us some ideas, but let

531
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Speaker 2: me read a little bit more of what he offers.

532
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 2: Trump and Ice slash DHS actions are wrong at many levels,

533
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Speaker 2: But the governor ignoring the fraud problem and not owning

534
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Speaker 2: the cleanup when much of the money does come via

535
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Speaker 2: the FEDS, invites the FEDS to address it. And then

536
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Speaker 2: there's the issue of declaring yourself a sanctuary state. When

537
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: crime in Minneapolis has been an issue and fraud can

538
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: be rightly wrongly easily linked to illegal immigration, you're begging

539
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Speaker 2: to have it addressed. I'm not a fan of the

540
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Speaker 2: round them up approach, but I'm equally disappointed in the

541
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Speaker 2: ignore immigration laws approach from the left.

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Speaker 3: What do you think.

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Speaker 4: Put every single item on the agenda and make that

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Speaker 4: a negotiable item with the White House. I mean, the

545
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Speaker 4: frankly be no relationship between fraud and ICE. I agree

546
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Speaker 4: ICE is, yeah, they deal with immigration, they don't deal

547
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Speaker 4: with fraud. But in the public's eye, the two of

548
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: them have hopelessly become linked. But in any event, if

549
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Speaker 4: you have a former Supreme Court justice and a former

550
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 4: CEO of a major company coming together, they know exactly

551
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: how to defuse the situation, and I would do that immediately.

552
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Speaker 4: I would try to keep the elected officials at a distance.

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Speaker 4: I truly mean that, for whatever reason, the chemistry between

554
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: Trump and Walls, we know is not good. That's minimizing it.

555
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Speaker 4: Put a couple of different faces in there, and also

556
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: employed the use of both of our US senators and

557
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Speaker 4: if any Republican in the in our congressional delegation is

558
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Speaker 4: willing to pitch in and help bring them into but

559
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: at all costs, let's stop the violence in Minnesota. Let's

560
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: diffuse the situation, and let's let federal courts start to

561
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: speak out this. Two lawsuits filed, let the judges handle it.

562
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Speaker 2: Have you, I mean, perhaps you've weighed on this already,

563
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Speaker 2: and if I've missed it, forgive me.

564
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Speaker 3: But regarding the original.

565
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Speaker 1: Fatal shooting that has sort of triggered a series of

566
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Speaker 1: unfortunate vents ever since, Yes, have you seen enough or

567
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Speaker 1: read enough to come to a meaningful conclusion on what

568
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Speaker 1: took place there?

569
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Speaker 2: Or do you need to see more? What's what is

570
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Speaker 2: your opinion of what you what your analysis? I guess

571
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Speaker 2: of what you saw.

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Speaker 4: My belief is the Ice agent never should have been

573
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Speaker 4: on the field. I think he's had two very serious

574
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Speaker 4: events in his life that did not make him suitable

575
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Speaker 4: for going back on the front line. Police do not

576
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: brandish weapons when they're handling a traffic problem. But I

577
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: think the more we go into it, the more we

578
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: have flamed politics again. But that's going to be a

579
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: separate issue that's going to be resolved in the courts,

580
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Speaker 4: which is where it belongs. It belongs in the courts,

581
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 4: and my guess is that's where it's ultimately going to go.

582
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: But I think at the moment, what we've got to

583
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 4: do is prevent UH the Insurrection Act from taking place.

584
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: Once you bring in more military, you're asking for more.

585
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Speaker 3: Violence, do you and do you think he means it?

586
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Speaker 4: Yes?

587
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Speaker 3: I would take him at at his word because you

588
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: can't afford not to.

589
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: Because precisely, precisely, there's no downside if you're wrong, But

590
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: there's a tremendous amount of downside if you allow him

591
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: to come in with it with the Insurrection Act, a

592
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: tremendous downside.

593
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Speaker 2: What is your what is your position regarding in general,

594
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: the the UH, the how to how to best deal

595
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: with illegal immigration? Because I think the polls in dedicate

596
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: that a vast majority of Americans have no problem with

597
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: attempting to bring to justice individuals with criminal records who

598
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: also might not be citizens. But that the objection, I

599
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: think even among some on the right side of the aisle,

600
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Speaker 2: those who aren't you know, simply trump lickspittles, is that

601
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Speaker 2: when it becomes a round up where you're approaching people

602
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Speaker 2: at gas stations, that that's several steps too far.

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Speaker 3: Give us your ma, give us your.

604
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Speaker 4: I think you described it. No. ICE was designed to

605
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: have a surgical removal within the context of our constitution,

606
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: and that means that you have to give everybody the

607
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 4: opportunity to one be charged and to be heard. You

608
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 4: don't go around the streets, you don't go ringing doorbells.

609
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: That isn't proper police work. But I think all of

610
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: these things have to be on the agenda. The White

611
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: House has got to agree that we're going to bring

612
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: ICE back into control. We're going to make sure that

613
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Speaker 4: they are totally professional and totally abide by the rules

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00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: that govern proper policing.

615
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: Let me get your reaction to an email from out

616
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Speaker 1: of a midgey. So protesters go home and ICE goes

617
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: back to what is doing. They are only doing one thing.

618
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Speaker 1: The thing that has us protesting.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't remember.

620
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Speaker 1: I don't think you say anything about protesters going home exactly.

621
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Speaker 3: But what would you how?

622
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Speaker 4: They pulled back? That's what a ceasefire is, Yes, pulled back,

623
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Speaker 4: My heavens. When you have people within five feet of

624
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 4: each other, yeah, and weaponized on one side, what's to

625
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: prevent the other side from finally showing up with a

626
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: gun and shooting, or having Ice shoot somebody else? Again?

627
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Speaker 4: The do you let me put it this way? What

628
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: are we gaining right now?

629
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Speaker 3: Fair question?

630
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Speaker 4: I mean, the point's been made. There's a strong feeling

631
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Speaker 4: that an injustice was committed. There's a strong feeling that

632
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: Ice is not being bound by professional standards, et cetera.

633
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 4: There are some serious grievances here, very serious. Do you

634
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 4: now you've got to bring in a buffer to negotiate

635
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: them with the White House?

636
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: I think, sadly, I think this speaks to our politics

637
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: a little bit, Governor, in that there are people in

638
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: our audience who are going to view what you're suggesting

639
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: as surrender and it's not.

640
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Speaker 3: No, it's not even close to what you're saying.

641
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: You're trying, I think, to be strategic about all right,

642
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: what's our best chance given where we are right now,

643
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: to attempt actually to get to where we want to

644
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 2: go more effectively than necessarily the approach that's been taken

645
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: to this point.

646
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Yes, get it into court.

647
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you about the courts, because, as

648
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: you know, Keith Ellison and the Mayor's of Minneapolis, say, Paul,

649
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: they had a press or a couple of days ago

650
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: about a lawsuit, a federal lawsuit that's just started the process. Now,

651
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: a couple of the legal experts I respect say, look,

652
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Speaker 2: I have my opinions about what ICE has done and

653
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: how heavy had they've been, and I don't like it,

654
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure legally speaking, what's being argued here

655
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Speaker 2: is going to pass legal muster. Do you care to

656
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: weigh in on that or do you have any concerns

657
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: in that regard.

658
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Speaker 4: Well, there's two lawsuits. One was filed by the Civil

659
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Speaker 4: Liberties Union, Right, that's true, and I think that's going

660
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Speaker 4: to be fairly potent. Let me put it this way.

661
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Speaker 4: We say we're a nation of laws. Those are laws

662
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Speaker 4: also apply to Ice. They apply to all federal agents,

663
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Speaker 4: all federal employees, including the President of the United States Congress.

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Speaker 4: In this particular case, it appears that ice is way

665
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Speaker 4: outside its boundaries. Let's be clear on that. The question

666
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Speaker 4: is how can we diffuse the situation so we don't

667
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Speaker 4: get further violence? And my answer to that is we

668
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Speaker 4: have to go to the courts and prayerfully the courts

669
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Speaker 4: will do exactly the right thing, and I frankly think

670
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Speaker 4: they will because these judges also live in Minneapolis, Saint Paul.

671
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Speaker 4: They know what's going on, and they know what's right

672
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Speaker 4: and they know what's wrong. There is nothing in our constitution,

673
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Speaker 4: absolutely nothing that grants anybody absolute power or absolute immunity.

674
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Speaker 4: The Constitution was drawn to separate power, to defuse power,

675
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Speaker 4: not to give it to any one body or any

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Speaker 4: one individual.

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Speaker 2: Six one two Guy writes, I have the utmost respect

678
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Speaker 2: for the former governor. However, the violence is what the

679
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: president wants and to which I say to you, doesn't

680
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Speaker 2: that confirm the notion that strategically again, you're falling into

681
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Speaker 2: a trap that the president would be delighted by if

682
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Speaker 2: the violent gets ratcheted up.

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Speaker 3: We had some of that last night.

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Speaker 2: Even the the police chief in Minneapolis has been pretty

685
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: clear amonishing some of the activity that took place last night.

686
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Speaker 2: All the more reason correct to try to not fall

687
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Speaker 2: into the trap.

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Speaker 4: You stated it far better than I have. Thank you.

689
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Speaker 4: You're exactly correct. It's a strategic move. They have the weapons,

690
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: we don't need them. Shot we don't need death, we

691
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: don't need injuries. What we need to do is to

692
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Speaker 4: pull back and see if we can't negotiate some kind

693
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Speaker 4: of a settlement. It's not a surrender. It's an attempt

694
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Speaker 4: to get Ice to obey the Constitution and to give

695
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Speaker 4: us the kinds of law and order that we're that

696
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Speaker 4: are normal to us.

697
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Speaker 3: Is there any we don't need?

698
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Speaker 4: The moment the Insurrection Actor is implemented, we're going to

699
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Speaker 4: see thousands of military troops on the streets, and then

700
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Speaker 4: I can't believe that's going to be that's going to

701
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Speaker 4: do anything other than bring more violence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the that's the concern.

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason to believe that even if the

704
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Speaker 1: there are some judges or in a couple of these

705
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Speaker 1: cases or one of these cases rule against Ice and

706
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Speaker 1: the administration, that the administration will abide by the ruling.

707
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Speaker 4: That's a very good question. It's a very good question.

708
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Speaker 4: And if they don't, then I pray that both sides

709
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Speaker 4: can agree that this has to stop. I mean, I

710
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Speaker 4: I did some research last night and I was very

711
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Speaker 4: surprised at some of the comments by Mike Tents, who

712
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Speaker 4: certainly wasn't one of my favorites, but he said that

713
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Speaker 4: I cannot support anybody who tramples on our constitution, and

714
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Speaker 4: who I fully agree.

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Speaker 3: So he's referring nobody.

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Speaker 4: It can't be Ice and it cannot be Donald Trump. Right.

717
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Speaker 3: Let me.

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Speaker 1: This feels like back burner because of what's taken place

719
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Speaker 1: the last several days, obviously, but now that we have

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Speaker 1: you on, I do want to address it a little bit,

721
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Speaker 1: and you've talked about it, I think a little bit

722
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Speaker 1: before the governor makes the decision to not run again,

723
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Speaker 1: which for me was a no brainer a while ago,

724
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Speaker 1: that that was the.

725
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Speaker 3: Direction that he needed to go.

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Speaker 1: One of my objections, however, to the governor's approach on

727
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Speaker 1: this ever since, has been painting himself as a bit

728
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Speaker 1: of a victim.

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Speaker 3: And you know I can't do I don't want to

730
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Speaker 3: get into the politics of all this.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, wait a minute, now, it's fairly I'm not

732
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Speaker 2: blaming him. I'm not saying he knew about the fraud

733
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Speaker 2: but I think we've got a lot of evidence from

734
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Speaker 2: people in official capacities. You've quoted some of them before,

735
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Speaker 2: that there were a number of warning signs and that

736
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Speaker 2: the people in place did almost nothing to give themselves

737
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Speaker 2: the best chance to deal with this sort of thing

738
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Speaker 2: or fend it off. And so that's where the governor

739
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Speaker 2: loses me, almost making it seem, you know, we're very

740
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Speaker 2: generous and the bad guys take advantage of us. That's

741
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Speaker 2: not to me the way a governor should speak about

742
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Speaker 2: a story that's become this historic governor.

743
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you and I are on the same page. I

744
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Speaker 4: wrote a commentary that was published in the Minnesota Start

745
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Speaker 4: pributing about the fraud issue. One is not related to is,

746
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: but two very separate items. Two, the governor, his staff

747
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 4: and the commissioners, particularly the Commissioner of Management but Budget,

748
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 4: were extraordinarily negligent. Those audits are not written to be

749
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Speaker 4: ignored time and time again. I think it goes all

750
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Speaker 4: the way back to twenty eleven. The first warning signs

751
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Speaker 4: were given that your internal audit controls are weak, they're inadequate,

752
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Speaker 4: they're insufficient, and for year after year after year, they

753
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Speaker 4: were ignored, and I finally wrote in one of my commentaries,

754
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Speaker 4: doesn't anybody at the state of the state government read audience.

755
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Speaker 4: So yes, there's gross negligence there, But that's a very

756
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Speaker 4: separate issue, correct, from immigration, And I completely yeah.

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Speaker 1: And there are people politically who are trying, as we

758
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Speaker 1: saw one of the Texters, to connect them.

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Speaker 3: I deal with that every day and it's convenient. Yeah,

760
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Speaker 3: if that's the booky man.

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Speaker 1: You want to, but it's not one has It doesn't

762
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Speaker 1: mean the other issue feeding our future and the scandals

763
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Speaker 1: are not valid concerns. They should be concerns of every Minnesota.

764
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Speaker 1: I say, right or less, I agree, but that has

765
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Speaker 1: nothing to do that that that didn't open the door

766
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have anything to do with opening the door to

767
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Speaker 1: the approach that's been taken regarding.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely agree that totally separate items. Let me give

769
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Speaker 4: you an example. There's an interesting story. I had breakfast

770
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Speaker 4: one day with two long term members of Congress to

771
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Speaker 4: go all the way back to Harry True and one

772
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Speaker 4: was a Republican from Indiana, the other was a Democrat

773
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Speaker 4: from Iowa, and I asked them both, what president do

774
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Speaker 4: you think was the best overall? And I got a

775
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: very interesting answer. They both agreed. They said domestically Lyndon Johnson,

776
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Speaker 4: foreign policy, Richard Nixon. And it's interesting how in their

777
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Speaker 4: thinking they immediately separated foreign from domestic, and we have

778
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Speaker 4: to do the same thing here. Did the governor, the

779
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Speaker 4: Governor Walls or Governor Dayton do the right thing on

780
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Speaker 4: the early warning signs of fraud? Absolutely not. Did the

781
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Speaker 4: legislature want a bipartisan basis. They have a legislative audit commission.

782
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Speaker 4: Why didn't they read the audits? I mean, that's their job.

783
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Speaker 4: So they're negligent as well. So there's a lot of negligence.

784
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 4: But the prime responsibility is with the CEO, and that's

785
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: the governor of the state of Minnesota. The ICE thing

786
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 4: has to do with immigration, and where the Constitution is

787
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: very clear is that they have to stay within the

788
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Speaker 4: boundaries of the law, and clearly ICE is not doing that.

789
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Speaker 4: They have placed themselves and placed our state and our

790
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: country in a very precarious position, and they have to

791
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Speaker 4: be reined in. And that's why it's imperative that the

792
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Speaker 4: court do precisely that. But in the meantime, I think

793
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: we can create a buffer by bringing together leaders of

794
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Speaker 4: the various segments of Minnesota speaking with one voice, not Democrat,

795
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: not Republican, not independent, but one voice from Minnesota, and

796
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Speaker 4: that is we want to be safe. We want to

797
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: be lawful, and we want everybody to behave in a

798
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: professional and lawful way. And right now some changes have

799
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: to be made, and I'm being very polite about that,

800
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: very serious changes have to be made.

801
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Speaker 1: Let's finish with this. How worried, how concerned? How scared

802
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: are you about a state that means very the current

803
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: condition and prospect the short term now for a state,

804
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: obviously there's meant an awful lot to you.

805
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Speaker 4: I'm very worried about. Forty minutes ago, I sent an

806
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 4: email to the chief of staff of the governor asking

807
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: him to consider this. I hope he does. Governors have

808
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 4: to realize that you don't go in alone. You build partnerships.

809
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 4: And this is a good time to bring all of

810
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 4: Minnesota together, all of its leadership together. Say we speak

811
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 4: as one. We speak not as Democrats or Republicans. We

812
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: speak for Minnesota. We do not want violence. We want

813
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 4: our schools open, with our children feeling safe. We want

814
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 4: to make sure that people are allowed to walk the streets,

815
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 4: drive on the streets and feel safe, and they're not

816
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: going to be attacked or assaulted or terrorized in any way,

817
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Speaker 4: shape or form. As Heaven's Sake addressed him as civilian

818
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: agents that terrifying uniform. My Heaven is to Betsy, I

819
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: would be petrified if I were stopped by that.

820
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Speaker 2: As we say goodbye to you today, we really appreciate

821
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: the time. As always, I want you to say hello

822
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 2: to a name that I think you will remember who

823
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: used to be He once upon a time considered me

824
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: Governor an arch enemy of his.

825
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Speaker 3: He now over period of how.

826
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Speaker 2: Long has it been now fifteen years is becoming years?

827
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Speaker 3: Eighteen years?

828
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Speaker 2: A weekly guest every football season on my program, one

829
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Speaker 2: of the most dedicated guests that I have.

830
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Speaker 1: One of the best guests I have. Say hello to

831
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Speaker 1: Glenn Mason.

832
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Speaker 4: Oh my golly, Glenn, how are you, Governor?

833
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 5: I'm doing just great. But I want to just set

834
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 5: the record straight. If Barrera thinks that I've forgotten about

835
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 5: all the slanderous things he used to write about me,

836
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Speaker 5: He's wrong.

837
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Speaker 4: Oh listen, we missed you. I thought on television you

838
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 4: were the best color analysts we had. I mean that sincerely. Well,

839
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 4: I appreciate so many of these analysts like to brag

840
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 4: about themselves. You didn't do that. You analyze the plays.

841
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 4: You were wonderful. No, I have nothing but great memories,

842
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 4: nothing but great memories.

843
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 5: Well, I have nothing but great memories. You know, really

844
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 5: about my tenure at Minnesota except one day when I

845
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Speaker 5: got a phone call out. Yeah, but one of the highlights.

846
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Speaker 5: And I mean this sincerely because I was a major

847
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 5: college coach for thirty five years. But while you were governor,

848
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 5: you used to do a unique thing during two day practices,

849
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 5: used to have the football team over to the governor

850
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 5: mansion for a cookout. And uh, I don't know of

851
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: any other governor.

852
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: That does that.

853
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 5: I mean it was really special and for those young men,

854
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 5: some from Minnesota, but large part of our team was

855
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 5: from other places. The hospitality, the warmth that you showed,

856
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 5: the welcome that you showed him. I was at a

857
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 5: function not too long to go with some former players,

858
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 5: and they talked about it when they got to go

859
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Speaker 5: over to the governor's answers.

860
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Speaker 3: They want to know if you still live there.

861
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Speaker 4: By the way, you know, it's interesting that you mention it,

862
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 4: because it was just as delightful for me. I mean,

863
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Speaker 4: I mean that very truly. It was truly an honor.

864
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Speaker 4: I will tell you one funny story, and that is

865
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 4: that the chefs were kind of concerned at the first

866
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Speaker 4: one would we have enough food, and so they decided

867
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Speaker 4: to order extra justin case. And I'll tell you that

868
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Speaker 4: justin case occurred.

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Speaker 3: The extra food was consumed.

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Speaker 4: It was just no just you know, I want Minnesota

871
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Speaker 4: to go back to what it was, a very caring,

872
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 4: well run, well managed, respectful state, and I think we

873
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 4: can get there. We're in a very precarious position today.

874
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 4: But you know, the other thing I hope we can

875
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Speaker 4: build is loyalty. I'm not a fan of this ni L.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a fan of of players leaving through the

877
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Speaker 4: portal system. I think they're they're professionalizing college sports, and

878
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 4: I think that's a big mistake.

879
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: It is professional. It's a room.

880
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 5: Dan and tell you we.

881
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: Talked about this and there's no loyalty.

882
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 5: But you know, the I think the schools and the

883
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: n C Double A, they're the ultimate ones to blame

884
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 5: in this because for you know, there's a saying in

885
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 5: Kansas that I used to love, pigs get fed and

886
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 5: hogs get slaughtered, and there for years the NC Double A.

887
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 5: They were so strict with the rules. While everybody was

888
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 5: getting rich off of college football, really the players were

889
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 5: getting less and less. I mean to the place where

890
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 5: you said, well you could give a guy a bagel,

891
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 5: but you couldn't put cream cheese on it. People out

892
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 5: there listening and think, oh, that's ridiculous. That's what it was.

893
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 5: It was crazy, it was, and it went so long,

894
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 5: and they didn't care, and they were making so much

895
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 5: money and bragging about it, and not only from the

896
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 5: ticket price to the TV but like that EA Sports

897
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff. And finally someone took

898
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 5: them to the court and said, hey, you can't do that.

899
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 5: And you know, once the genie's out of the bottle,

900
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 5: I don't know how I ever get it back in.

901
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I remember years ago you warned us about that,

902
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 4: and you were absolutely correct. But I think the sad

903
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: thing is we're losing our sense of values. I remember

904
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: this player was long before your time from dan Ute, Minnesota.

905
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 4: He was a tight end. I can't remember his name.

906
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: And he publicly announced and Sid Hartman announced it with

907
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: great joy, He's coming to Minnesota, and he said something

908
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 4: I never forgotten. He says, you know, I grew up

909
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 4: reaming that I could put on the maroon and gold.

910
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: That was his dream. And I liked this to get

911
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 4: back to that kind of loyalty. I like the days

912
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 4: when Paul gil would travel around the state meet with people,

913
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 4: talk about football, talk about basketball, talk about our programs,

914
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: and you really felt that you were a part of something.

915
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 4: And now with this professionalization, they've taken away that loyalty.

916
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: Governor, I really appreciate the time, and we will tell you.

917
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 4: I'm delighted. This is wonderful and what a bonus to have.

918
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: The timing was perfect. I figured you might enjoy that.

919
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: So I'm glad we were able to get you guys together.

920
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: Hope to chat with you again soon and again appreciate

921
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: your your discussion, your honesty, and your candor, and we'll

922
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: talk again very soon.

923
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: Thanks Governor, you bet, thank you, Appreciate you very much.

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00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: Former Governor Arnie Carlson with mace in your face, who

925
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: is back already from Florida, And let's do this. We're

926
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: a little behind schedule, we'll get caught up. We'll find

927
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: out why you came back as quickly as you did,

928
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: because I missed you Dan, I figure that's what happened. Yeah,

929
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: I had a hunch that was. I was on at

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00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: least the top ten list of people you missed. And

931
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: we'll talk about National Championship game. It's almost upon us Monday, Indiana.

932
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 3: You mean against Miami.

933
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 5: You mean the great rip off that's going on with

934
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 5: the tickets in the.

935
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Speaker 2: Parking it's only four thousand dollars a ticket, and it's

936
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: seven hundred dollars to park your cart seven hundred.

937
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 5: I've read that. I don't know if it's now, but

938
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 5: those poor people in the chance, poor people Vidana, but

939
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: I mean that it's it's ridiculous.

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00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 4: All right.

941
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: We'll get to that and much more with Mace if

942
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Speaker 2: you have questions. Bradshawn Brian Kafe in text line six

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Speaker 2: for six eight