1 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: And welcome back. It's a good time for us. If 2 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: that's all, it's a good time for all three of us. 3 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: It's you, Jim, Jim Hansel, and Sarah Geiger Beam and myself. 4 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: We're all three good horticultures, smart people, affable, somewhat entertained, hope. So, 5 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: but we are about to be eclipsed. 6 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: We are completely completely eclipsed by the one and only 7 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: Joe Boggs. 8 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: And Joe, you are assistant professor of Extension at the 9 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Ohio State University. Hey, Joe, I was behind enemy lines 10 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: all last week. Sarah and I went up to the 11 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: Perennial Plant Association in Michigan. 12 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no. Well, well you were up in you 13 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: were in the western part of the state. 14 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Right, Well, we were in East Lansing, so that was 15 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: Michigan State, and that actually on that camp, right. That 16 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 1: was bad enough. But then we went to the arboretum 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: or the gardens at the University or Michigan, No, University 18 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: of Michigan, and boy, I felt it just was sick 19 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: to my stomach the entire time, screaming h at. 20 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 4: The most inappropriate times. 21 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: Oh, and someone would pick it up, I ow, and 22 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: you could just see it made a big impression. 23 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: It did make a big impression. 24 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: Well, you know, seriously, it's uh Michigan state. A lot 25 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: of folks don't know this, and I air say, and I'm. 26 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: Just you know, going to do it. 27 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 3: Then me, I'm trying to get it out. 28 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 5: You get out. 29 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: No, it's a we joke a lot. But what a 30 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:23,279 Speaker 3: beautiful state, seriously, fantastic horticulture up there, and both universities 31 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 3: have great gardens, so and they're not far apart. I 32 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 3: always thought that was kind of interesting, you know, just 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: uh ones just down the road just to east or 34 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 3: west or whatever from the other, so you can take 35 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: it all in. But uh, I have to say, Jim, 36 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: you were you were talking about one of your students 37 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 3: and uh and she was very concerned about all this 38 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 3: uh Latin that gets spoken. And I was thinking, well, 39 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: you know, the very first thing I was going to 40 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: talk about is going to sound terrible for because I 41 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: have to I have to use I mean plant I'm 42 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 3: an entomologists by train, so plant pathologists you know, we say, yes, 43 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: they're pathological because they make us learn all these all 44 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: these these Latin things. So I'm gonna I'm gonna do 45 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: it it's the name of the the name of the disease. 46 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: The full name is neo pestilotiopsis. Whoa, It's doesn't sound 47 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: that way. Yeah, but the nice thing about it is, uh, 48 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: in general everyone's short shortening it to just neo p. 49 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: And the reason why I'm bringing you that's two fold numbers. Well, yeah, 50 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: you know, I agree with you. You know, it's just, you know, 51 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: we stick entomologists stick to very simple things. Lace bugs. 52 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about lace bugs. I mean, it's 53 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: just it's a bit of the bugs. They have lazy 54 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: lightnings and that's it. I mean, you think of house flies. 55 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,279 Speaker 3: We don't really go you know, we don't get too complicated. 56 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: We've tried to keep simple. But neop The reason I'm 57 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: bringing up twofold number one is kind of a shout out. 58 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: We have a Melanie Ivy is our extension specialists with 59 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: plant pathology, focusing on fruit, on vegetables and small fruits, 60 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: and so she and others Francesca Rotundo, for example, she's 61 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: the director of our of our Plant past Clinic of 62 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: Ohio State. And we'll get to that in just a second. 63 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 3: But but they just came out with a fact sheet 64 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: and no issue fact sheet, and these are these are 65 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: publications that people should be aware of. We do, for example, 66 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: the Black Eye Yard and Garden Line, and we've talked 67 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: about that before that we affectionately called the Big Old 68 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: b y g L. People think we're talking about a dog, 69 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: but it fetches great information. Now that's put out as 70 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: a blog. So we put that out so people can 71 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: read things as they develop. 72 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: And this is your gardeners too. I mean the information 73 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: is absolutely, yes, absolutely. 74 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: I've seen my clients links to the Beagle blog articles 75 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 4: over and over. 76 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. 77 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: But but the fact sheets have and it's not just 78 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: all land grants. Florida for example, has a wonderful series 79 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: of fact sheets. We tap in them quite a bit, 80 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: University of Florida Extension. But uh, but Melanie's put out 81 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: this neop which affects strawberries, and I know you're going 82 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: to be thinking, wait a minute. You know, normally I 83 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: don't talk about, you know, fruit and vegetables, but this 84 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 3: is one worth talking about because backyard gardeners and folks 85 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: that are starting strawberries are growing them in all kinds 86 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: of different situations, which we can do now. I like 87 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: the ones that are grown in the in the hanging bags. 88 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: I don't know why. I just think they look so neat. 89 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: But the neop is devastating and it's very new h 90 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: it is the main problem is that we can't seem 91 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 3: to get it to totally out of the nurseries. So 92 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: you buy strawberry plants, and even though now we have 93 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: great producers, occasionally it slips through. And once you do 94 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 3: have it, then you're kind of in trouble because the 95 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: what we call the inoculum, that's the tissue that can 96 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: start the disease again, can last for a very long time. 97 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: At least it can overwinter at least a year. So 98 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: if you have a strawberry patch and you get this disease, yes, 99 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: there are some fungicides that can be useful, but you know, Scott, 100 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: you and I talked about this before, that that fungicides 101 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: and secticides, pesticides. You know, we need to hold off 102 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: and try other things first because they are seldom believe 103 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: it or not one hundred percent right they are, you 104 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: need to use them in combination. When we talk about diseases, 105 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 3: the environment plays a huge role. The susceptibility of the 106 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: host plays a huge role. And right now we don't know. 107 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: There hasn't been any solid research yet on susceptibility different 108 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: for different strawberries. There's some implications it would appear that 109 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: there are some varieties less susceptible, but we don't know 110 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: that yet. So it comes down to environment sanitation, and 111 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: we can't really control the environment unless there've grown strawberries 112 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: in the greenhouse. And this disease really gets started when 113 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: temperatures get warm and we get rain or high humidity. 114 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: So when you think about it, it's sort of like, well, 115 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: that's just about what happens, you know, right after strawberry season, 116 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: right you know, you're out there picking and then my goodness, 117 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: it starts getting in. This year, actually, right in the 118 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: middle of strawberry season, we had hot, wet, wet convisitions. 119 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: So I'm just. 120 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: Cleaning it up for folks that are trying to grow strawberries. 121 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: If you see plants that are fading out, there's a 122 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: lot of different symptoms that can even mimic other diseases, 123 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: but they're just kind of fading out and you see 124 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: visions on the leaves and you know they're just collapsing. 125 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: The first thing you should do though, before you do 126 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: anything else. I want to circle back to all the 127 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: ling universities, so Michigan State University, Kentucky, all the way down, 128 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: all the way throughout the lifting area. They all have 129 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: plant and past diagnostic clinics. So if you're trying to 130 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: grow strawberries or you have other problems you can't solve, 131 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: it is worth it. Yes, it costs a little money 132 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: to send samples to these clinics, but getting the proper answer, 133 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: finding out exactly what it is so you can focus 134 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: your attention. I mean it may be something else that 135 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: maybe something you could solve very easily. 136 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: You just got to know what you're dealing with. Hey, Joe, 137 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: we need to take a break in. I think Danny 138 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: is going to try to work with you to get 139 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: a better line. You're breaking up a little bit, okay, 140 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: so breaking up, Okay, it's a system. So but we 141 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: will take the break in. When we come back, we'll 142 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: carry on. We'll finish up that discussion and move on 143 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: to some other things as well. 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Blackjack protecting driveways for over one hundred years. 180 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: And welcome back. We are here Jim, Sarah and I 181 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: with Joe Bogs and Joe I wanted to make a 182 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: point that we joke, we joke a lot about the 183 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: rivalry between Ohio State and Michigan, or Ohio and Michigan, 184 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: and then Ohio State with the University of Michigan. I 185 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: cannotly even say, I know that it's just hard, but 186 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's a tremendous amount of cooperation between the 187 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: three universities when it comes to all this research, and 188 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to horticulture and gardening and plants. 189 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: Well, and you know it also extends the University of Cincinnati. 190 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 191 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: I heard, I heard, Yeah, I heard you all talking 192 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: earlier about a replacement, an evergaring replacement, and and yes, 193 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: boxwoods are kind of in trouble a bit. However, doctor 194 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: Teresa Collie at University of Cincinnati has launched a research 195 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: program which is pretty remarkable. We haven't really seen too 196 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 3: much like this in horticulture where she's genetically typing boxwoods. 197 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: So we know genetically exactly what the boxwood is. And 198 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: I know all all three of you know this that 199 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: when we look at a plant name tag, if that 200 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: plant goes back you know, so many many years, and 201 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: with boxwoods, we go all the way back to the 202 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: lateen and late sixteen hundreds believed or not, that's when 203 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: they were first brought to the US from England. Over time, 204 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: you know, the name tags could get a little bit 205 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: confusing or switched or lost data and do we really know. 206 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 3: So what Teresa is doing is it's first back up. 207 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: We've noticed it's been documented very well with research that 208 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: there's a wide range of susceptibility within boxwoods to box 209 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: tree moth, so resents goney a study. Now we're we're 210 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: in the second year. Notice how I did that? We 211 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,479 Speaker 3: collectively because I'm just globbing on right, that's the cooperation, 212 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: you know. But the second year where it's very evident 213 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 3: there are boxwoods that are highly resistant, not totally. You know, 214 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 3: the resistance probably comes from boxwoods that the genetics originate 215 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: in Asia. That's where box tream off came from. They 216 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: grew up together, and so you know there's a resistance. 217 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: The box tream off did not grow up with European 218 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: boxwoods and vice versa. So those the genetics for those 219 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: plants means they're highly susceptible. But it's looking very very good. 220 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: So we don't want to write off boxwoods because I 221 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: appreciated that you all were looking and thinking of, Okay, 222 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: what can we replace? You brought up boxwoods, and I 223 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: Sarah you mentioned, well, you know, we got a little 224 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: bit of a challenge. And I'm really glad Jim. You 225 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: probably don't remember this, but I think well, of the 226 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: very first times I ever met you, you were working. 227 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: Was it Ohio river grass that goes back along? 228 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes along? Yeah, I was it as a 229 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: higher river grass, that's right. 230 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: And that's where I really got kind of a a 231 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: glimpse into ornamental grasses. And so you all just settled 232 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: in that a while ago. I heard you mentioned a 233 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: few possibilities that way. But but don't give up on 234 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: boxwoods yet. Don't look at it, you know, particularly down 235 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: the road, as being something that's lost, cause because they 236 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: do bloom, they do attract spring pollinators big time, particularly 237 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: solitary bees, you know. And then the other thing is 238 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: that boxwoods will make goats sick, so they are not fed. 239 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: Upon amazing anything good. 240 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: Dear, dear, and eat boxwoods, and so they are so 241 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: resistant that you know, use and junipers and all those. Yeah, 242 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: they yeah, So don't give up on them yet. That's 243 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: kind of a little brief thing. 244 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is one of our most useful plants, and 245 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 4: it's for the those shady situations where you want evergreen. 246 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 4: We don't have a good replacement, to be honest, and 247 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 4: with the deer pressure, that's a real that's a real thing, 248 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: So we don't want to lose options. 249 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: Well, in Missouri, Botanic Garden's got to they tore out 250 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: their boxwood garden a few years ago, but they've subsequently 251 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: replanted it with and their trialing resistant varieties. 252 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 5: I was their last. 253 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: Fall, and the plants are super small right now, but 254 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: it's really it's going to be neat to see what 255 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: information we get from that over the next few years. 256 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Joe, I'm glad you brought up the pollinator 257 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 4: value of boxwoods. I think that's something that really gets 258 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: lost because the flowers are not showy. You really have 259 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 4: to be right up on the plant to even see 260 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 4: the flowers. But if you are right up on a 261 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 4: box wood when it is in full bloom, it is 262 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: just buzzing with bees. And it's not just that it 263 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 4: offers the nectar, it's the timing of it. They really 264 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: really benefit from having forage at that time of year. 265 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: So oddly pollinator plant. 266 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 3: Well, and right now if a person has box was 267 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: in the ground and uh, and we're seeing a phenomena 268 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: right now that that we think we're seeing. We don't 269 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 3: have any data on it, but in Greater Cincinnati, Uh, 270 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 3: we're seeing a bit of a of a of a 271 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: suppression of box tree moth. In general, we're not seeing 272 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: the numbers that we ought to see. 273 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 5: Uh. 274 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: Well, that came out weird, did it. I'm an entomologist, 275 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: so you. 276 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: Know, perspective at this, Yes, but. 277 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: We think maybe localized spray could have something to do 278 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: with it. And then the good news is there's you know, 279 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 3: when we talk about in exticides, like I mentioned a 280 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: while ago, we like to hold them off till till 281 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: the end. I mean, we do other things, get resistant plants, 282 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: do that type of thing first. But in this case, 283 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: we we really have a nice candidate. It's called spinosid 284 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: and it's actually a derivative of a bacterium. And I 285 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: will not you know, blast people away by giving the 286 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: scientific name for the bacterium. It's long and complicated, but 287 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: spinosid is a naturally drived insecticide from a bacterium. So 288 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: it is listed in organic gardening purposes, and that's great, 289 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: and it's very effective against box tree moth caterpillars. It 290 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 3: causes them to stop feeding. This is one thing I 291 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 3: always tell people. They don't We often think of our 292 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: insecticides as killing right away. Many do, but spinosa stops 293 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: them from from eat eating. They exist. If the talks 294 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: in the specific to insects, not us or dogs or cats. 295 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: It's specific to sites in an insects nervous system shuts 296 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 3: them down and they just kind of hang out there 297 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: for a bit, so they don't die right away. And 298 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: I always coustume people. They'll look and well, I still 299 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: see the caterpillars. They're not feeding. Take by a day, 300 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: but highly effective. And my understanding talking with some of 301 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: the garden centers, they've they've just been selling it right 302 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: and left. 303 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: Has gotten out too badly. 304 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what we're thinking. And we know that. 305 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: You know you notice, uh, Sarah, the professionals, the landscape 306 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: management companies. Yes, they are using insecticides if needed or requested, 307 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 3: and they are also using what we call bio rationals. 308 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: That's what spinosa is meaning they don't talk. They it's 309 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: actually I didn't kill everything, but we don't have another 310 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: explanation because it's not environmental, but we do hear music 311 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: when we talk about. 312 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: It every time. 313 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna stick with us for another segment, Is that right? 314 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: That's right now, we'll look forward to that. We'll be 315 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: back in a few minutes to to this conversation you 316 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: are listening to. 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Oh 344 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: box stream mouthor is there something else you wanted to 345 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: move on to? 346 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: Or is there anything else you want to talk about? Joe, 347 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 3: I'll tell you please please, Actually I have one for 348 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: with Gary Sullivan coming up because and also it's the 349 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: time of year. You know, when we get a cool evening, 350 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 3: we may want to open our windows, so we slide 351 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: the windows up and oh my gosh, we looked down 352 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 3: in the track and there's all this grass and debris. 353 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: I've always been curious. Yeah, what is that? 354 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 3: Well, that's called those are called those are the uh 355 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: pupil sites. Okay, so it's where you know, an insect 356 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: is going to pew pay. But the insect is called 357 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: a grass carrying wasp and that, and so what they're 358 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 3: bringing in are grass blades and they're wrapping them around 359 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: their larvae that then pew pay. But here's what's interesting 360 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: is that that earlier on, what they actually wrapped around 361 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: were crickets. So if you start this whole process over again, 362 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: right now we're seeing you know, pupation. But earlier on, uh, 363 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: these wasps went out and they gathered up grass blades 364 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: and they brought in and kind of made like a 365 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: like a like a feather tick, you know, made like 366 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 3: a bed in there. And then they went off and 367 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: found a cricket, you know, just a poor little cricket 368 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: walking around his own little cricket business. And but they 369 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: sting it, and that paralyzes the cricket, doesn't kill it 370 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: because insects don't have refrigeration, right, so they have to 371 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: keep it. They have to keep it, you know, from spoiling. 372 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: They bring the paralyzed cricket back to the window track, 373 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 3: put it into debris, you know, kind of wrap it 374 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: up because it's a little gift for its offspring. They'll 375 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: lay an egg on that poor little cricket that again 376 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 3: is still alive. It can't it can't move it kind 377 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 3: of it's aware. Probably. Oh it's pretty rough, like a 378 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: horror story. 379 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, an insect. If you're an insect, the last thing 380 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: you want to see is a wasp heading your way. 381 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. I think we're missing it. You know, 382 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 3: you can but any rate. So that's what's happening in there, 383 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: is that it's considered a beneficial insect. Nothing bad is happening, 384 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: and there's really nothing that we should do about other 385 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: than clean out the track. I mean, you can just 386 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: come in and brush that out, maybe use a vacuum 387 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: cleaner and all. But the point being is that it's 388 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 3: it's they're they're causing no structural harm. However, you know, 389 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: it's a little bracing to see this, and it's beneficial 390 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 3: because they are, you know, knocking down cricket populations, which 391 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: you know they can be damaging insects. So grass carrying 392 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 3: wash that was that was going to be a highlight today, 393 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 3: all right, just just for Gary. 394 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he's listening, So yeah, we'll bring 395 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: that up. Very useful for the homeowner, right, not even 396 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: just a gardener, but the homeowners in general. Yeah. I 397 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: wanted to bring up something, Joe, where this came from 398 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: beagle back in May, and I've been meaning to talk 399 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: about it, but I just haven't had the opportunity. But 400 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: it was written by one of your cohorts, Thomas Dhas Yeah, 401 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: I guess. And he's talking about have you checked your 402 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: trees lately for steaks and steak trees? And you know 403 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: that it just happens all too common. People are busy, 404 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: they're forgetful. Some people, you know, trees are a little 405 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: lower down the list of their priorities than us. And 406 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: yet we some of us have done things like this too. 407 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: But you know, leaving a steak on a tree too long, 408 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: or leaving a tree staked too long. However method people use, 409 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: it's so detrimental to the tree. 410 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: It is. 411 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: It is, you know, getting In fact, if you plant 412 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: a tree that you know that that is a bald 413 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: and burr lap, you know, so it has kind of 414 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: a heavy root system and you do things right, you 415 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 3: really don't need to steak those unless you're on the prairie, 416 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: unless you really have a lot of high wind. Now 417 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 3: the containerized yes, you know, the root system is all 418 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: three of you know that, but you know you're exactly right, Scott. 419 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I've stopped taking pictures, and you all know 420 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 3: I take pictures to teach with, but I've stopped taking 421 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: pictures of these. You know, the steaks still on and 422 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: you know, the something tight around the stem and now 423 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: the stem's already grown into it and skirtling it. Yeah, 424 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: it's it's it may be helpful at the beginning. But 425 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: here's something that that we were all taught, I mean 426 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: way way back you're talking, you know, forever. Basically that 427 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: a slight movement of the tree and the root system 428 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: does help that the stimulate growth of the root system 429 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: to anchor the tree. I'm simplifying it, but but there 430 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: needs to be it's like a biofeedback mechanism. There needs 431 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: to be a little movement in that tree. And that's why, 432 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 3: for example, with staking, we don't want people to tie 433 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: the thing down like they're about to launch it into space, 434 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: you know, and they got the launch system. We want 435 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: everything to be kind of loose. The main goal is 436 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: just to keep from it, you know, blowing over or 437 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: something bad happening that way. So a little movement and 438 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: the sooner that you can, the sooner you can get 439 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 3: that off, the better. It's you know, it's a little 440 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 3: bit like the analogy is not perfect. But you know, 441 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 3: if you get a cut and you put a bandage on, 442 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: you don't want to keep the bandage on forever, right, 443 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: You're trying to help something to move along. And we 444 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: all know, the sooner you can get the bandage off, 445 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: the sooner you can allow, you know, nature to take 446 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 3: its course to close that wound, the better. And it's 447 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: the same with trees. It's better to let them established 448 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: normally when they can. But you're right, Scott, it's we 449 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 3: see it all the time, don't we. 450 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, way too often. And a lot of times it's 451 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: commercial landscapes where they put it, you know, trees in 452 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: for a strip strip mall and yeah, and it just 453 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: gets strapped, never come back and and there you see this, 454 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: and you know, and the importance of staking correctly is 455 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: something you can't. 456 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: Sounds like we're talking about I keep thinking talking about 457 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 3: van Halsling here. You know, you're like a talk about vampires. 458 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: You know, just turn the radio. You have to move fast. 459 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the the idea is to put the 460 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: steake a little bit away. And really all it's doing 461 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: is keeping the body of the tree or the stem 462 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: of the tree from blowing signatic wildly around. 463 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 6: From falling down, from falling down. 464 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, having the root all rotating it in the soil, 465 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 4: and yeah, you want it, you want it to flex 466 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 4: a little bit, because that's how it reacts to it 467 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: with you know, reaction would in the in the roots 468 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 4: stabilize and it's not going to do that if you 469 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 4: don't give it a reason to do that. So it's 470 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 4: not going to be any stronger if it doesn't have 471 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 4: that flex when you take the steak off. 472 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: You know, now you're talking science. 473 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: And as soon as you can see when you can 474 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: go over to the tree and give it a little 475 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: tug and you can't see the root ball move anymore 476 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: separately from the soil. And if that stem has some 477 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: stiffness to it, as soon as you see that, undo 478 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: the whole system. Throw it away. I know that you've 479 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: you've done your job. 480 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, You still might want to cage your small trees 481 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 4: from deer damage, but that's a different thing than staking. 482 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 4: They're not the same thing completely. 483 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 3: I'm sorry combining staking with deer. 484 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 7: We won't go there, you know, I uh go ahead, sorry, no, 485 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 7: go ahead, go ahead, run out. 486 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to run out of time. 487 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: The one thing just mentioned very quickly, and I we're 488 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: just I've gotten emails after emails. You all do where 489 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: you haven't established a big maple usually and they're asking 490 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: why is it canopy dining back You look at the 491 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: base and huge numbers of stem girdling roots, and it 492 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: all goes back to this same idea. I just I 493 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: just handled one, and you know, yesterday as a matter 494 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: of fact, and and it's just it's it's it's heartbreaking 495 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: because the tree was nice in the backyard, great location, shading, 496 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 3: you know, a picnic era. It was, it was beautiful, 497 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: and you know the clock is ticking. Nothing can be done. 498 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: And I just want to bring that up because if 499 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: you have an arbist come out and look at a 500 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: tree and show you a stem girdling root, and if 501 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: they say they can do something about it, then do it. 502 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 3: If they say they can't do anything about it. Well, 503 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: I'm let's be honest, it's time to be thinking about, 504 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: you know, a replacement tree. Uh, it's I just want 505 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: to bring that up planning thing to deal with. 506 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, planting technique is so important, and if you're planting 507 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: a tree, take the time to go get a good 508 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: reference or or talk to somebody that knows what they're doing, 509 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: or go to an ed U or e x T 510 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: extension you know, website and look at the methodology because 511 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: you really want to get those roots pointing outward, even 512 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: if it's to the extent that you're cutting off roots 513 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: that are girdling in the root all, which is quite common. 514 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 1: It's very common. And you know because if if if 515 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: a stem girdling root occurs, it is going to take 516 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: ten years before it starts to kill the tree probably 517 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: or longer. And you've lost that ten years when you 518 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,239 Speaker 1: replace it, and you lost to ten years that you 519 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: would have had with the other tree in the meantime. 520 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: And it. 521 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: Is preventable. 522 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well that high note. Wow, Yeah your tree 523 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: is doom. 524 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, things happen, you know, happen. 525 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: Well, they do, they do, but on the outside again, 526 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: you know, we're talking about it, and we'll no doubt 527 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 3: talk about it down the road. I mean, this isn't 528 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 3: exactly the time the plant tree, but it's a great time, 529 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: like you say, to to revisit them and see what's happening. 530 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 3: And exactly if you do revisit the tree though, and 531 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 3: this is one thing, and you and that tree looks 532 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 3: like a telephone pole going into the ground, there's no 533 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 3: flare at the base, then then you should be planning 534 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: on doing something else with the tree, and that is 535 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: lifting it, getting at the right position, because that's the 536 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: other connector to stem girdling roots of the trees too 537 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: deep in the soil, it's very common for a secondary 538 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: routstem to develop. That doesn't sound bad, except there's a 539 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: propensity for those roots and to start circling the main stem. 540 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: So again, you know, it's just take a look at it, 541 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: don't don't walk away from the trees and wait till 542 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: fall or believe everything is okay, and then make plans. 543 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: I like what I really liked what Jim said. I 544 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: even wrote the quote down what I'm going to do 545 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 3: next year. I do that all the time, Jim. I 546 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: just but that's my mantra. 547 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm not right. 548 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 3: We'll leave it at that, right, right, at this point, 549 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of like you know the Reds, 550 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: you know. 551 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe there's always next year. 552 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always next year. 553 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: So true. Well, Joe, it's always a pleasure to have 554 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: you on the show. Thanks for coming. We'll see you. 555 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: What the first Saturday in September? Again, I guess we 556 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: talk about planting. I bet we'll talk about planting. Yeah, 557 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned it's not a good time of year to 558 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: plant trees, but it's time to start thinking about the 559 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: trees you're gonna plant in the fall, so that maybe 560 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: that's a topic we can take on. But again, thank you, 561 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: Joe Boggs, Extension Agent Extraordinaries, Assistant Professor the Ohio State University. 562 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: Thanks for being on the show. And we'll be back. 563 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: You're welcome and we will be back with Gary Sullivan 564 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: when we come back. 565 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 5: Save a Life start with the air in your home. 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You're listening to that Scott Garden with Scott Berlin. 585 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: I'm here with Jim Hansel and Sarah Geiger being too 586 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: good friends of mine, and we're joined by another friend, 587 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: the one and only Gary Sullivan. How are you today, Gary? 588 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 5: I am doing fine, sir, just getting ready for a 589 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 5: little more rain, you. 590 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, it's coming. 591 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 5: I have talked so much about water and gutters and 592 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 5: everything else in the last two weeks. I can't believe it. 593 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: It's certainly an issue time to talk about quicksand or 594 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: sinkholes or sheets. 595 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you know that's bound to happen, right right, 596 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. She's been settling on sidewalks and stuff, 597 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 5: which is usually a summertime, you know, happening. And I'm 598 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 5: seeing a lot of that too. I don't know whether 599 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 5: it's all. The rain certainly isn't dry, that's for sure, so. 600 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: You know, but you know the drought is coming. When 601 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: we get this much rain early, you know, it keeps going. 602 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 5: Well, you know, we keep saying that. 603 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 3: I know. 604 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 5: Now we look, and here we are August. My grass 605 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 5: is as green as can be. I've watered two times. 606 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's been a really good year in many 607 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: ways for gardening. 608 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 5: It has, Yeah, I would think, so, I would think. So, 609 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 5: let's have a fungus here and there. It's doing all right. 610 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 5: So we got plenty to do outside too, that's for sure. 611 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 5: If we get a couple of nice stretch of days, 612 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 5: but it sounds like really where we're at a few 613 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 5: days and actually a good swath of the company country 614 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 5: looks like it's going to get some rain and some 615 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 5: floods and things like that. So I kinda am gonna 616 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 5: postpone my let's do this, let's do this, Let's stain 617 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 5: that deck, let's paint that house to like, let's control 618 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 5: the water. I had multiple emails this week with people like, well, 619 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 5: my cross space isn't just damp. I can actually see 620 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 5: some puddles in it. And of course, as you guys 621 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 5: know that, that water table just keeps creeping up and 622 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 5: eventually it's like Venice Italy. It's it's higher than the 623 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 5: floor and here comes the water. So what are you 624 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 5: gonna do. You're gonna try and manage that water table. 625 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 5: And you manage that water table with pretty much, you know, 626 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 5: underground French strain, French strains outside around the perimeter, if 627 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 5: you have foot or drains, make sure they're clean. Yeah, uh, 628 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 5: maybe perimeter piping inside the cross space, or if nothing else, 629 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 5: just drop us somemp well in there and get a 630 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 5: pump in there, and let's try and pump it away 631 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 5: from the house. But ignoring it is not a good answer. 632 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: No, that's never a good answer for any problem. Yeah, 633 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: that problem is just love it when you do that. Yeah, 634 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: you're exactly right. 635 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I really got into the gutter thing last week 636 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 5: talking about moving to six inch gutters. But then they 637 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 5: start reading about other things too, and you can actually 638 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 5: just if it's a gutter underneath a saddle or where 639 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 5: two roost meat, you can just extend that one gutter. 640 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 5: But really, what I needed I had flown over the 641 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 5: gutter and gushing out of the down spout. So what's 642 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 5: that tell you? There's just too much water? You need 643 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 5: a bigger down spout. Going up to a little larger 644 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 5: down spout will allow it to take about forty percent 645 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 5: more water. 646 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: That's significantly. 647 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:41,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 648 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 5: So really, when I was focusing on the gutter, which 649 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 5: I'm still going to move to a six inch, that's 650 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 5: not the whole answer. And make sure that thing's up 651 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 5: underneath the drib edge, make sure it's not saging, make 652 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 5: sure there's a good tilt to it, and a little 653 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 5: larger down spout to just swallow more of that water. 654 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 5: It's just houses where there's two roofs meeting in a 655 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 5: larger saddle. It just overwhelms the gutter. 656 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: M tennis ball in your in your drain. 657 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that. That is That was not a problem. 658 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 5: But I have been there before too. It's like, oh, 659 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 5: maybe maybe this guy's got something to do with it. 660 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 5: But sometimes I think, uh, over the last three weeks 661 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 5: in our area, with the amount of rainfall we had, 662 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 5: I just think that's the issue. There's just more water 663 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 5: than it can physically handle. And it's easy to look 664 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 5: and say, oh, well, you know it doesn't rain. 665 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 3: Now. 666 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 5: You know, we went from one hundred year rain to 667 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 5: a thousand year rain. I heard somebody say the other day, Oh, 668 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 5: come on, but maybe, yeah, maybe maybe it's a new world. 669 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, and not being prepared for it could 670 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: lead to very expensive repairs. 671 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 5: Well exactly exactly. It's if it doesn't matter where the 672 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 5: water's coming from, if it's settling on your foundation, eventually 673 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 5: it's going to penetrate, it's going to get into the 674 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 5: basement or into the crawl space. You got to move 675 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 5: that water away from the house. I've been preaching that 676 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 5: for forty years. 677 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: I've been preaching it to my son for the last 678 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: two months. 679 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you mean I got to clean those things 680 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 5: come out. 681 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. 682 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, gutters are three stories up and no way to 683 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: know what they look like in there, and so we're 684 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: going to have to call somebody in I think. 685 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 5: Well, sure, sure, yeah, you just got to do that. 686 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 5: Maybe you look for a longer term solution. 687 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 688 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 5: It depends, also depends. You know, every situation is different 689 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 5: obviously with you know, the size of the gutters, the 690 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 5: amount of debris that's in the how mature the trees 691 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 5: are around the house, what kind of trees are around 692 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 5: the house. Those little locust sleeves always get me occasionally. 693 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they sneak up on you because they are small, yep. 694 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 5: And there's a lot of them. If it's a big 695 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 5: locust tree, there's a lot of them. So anyway, I 696 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 5: think that's what we're going to talk about today. 697 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: Well that should help a lot of people, I would think, 698 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: I hope. So, yeah, I hope. 699 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 5: So it's very important because otherwise in a couple of 700 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 5: years we'll be talking about, well, that foundation's got a 701 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 5: crack and water's coming through. I say, you can have 702 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 5: a crack at a foundation, never see water, right. 703 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: It's properly Yep, it's very true. 704 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 5: So you guys have a great weekend. 705 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary, thank you and we'll look forward to your 706 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,959 Speaker 1: show very good. Thank you well, guys. Jim Hansel from 707 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: Great Oaks and from U See, thank you Forank being 708 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: here today. It's been so much fun. Sarah Guy Gerbin 709 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: from Wimburg Landscaping, Thank you, designer. Always fun to have 710 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,479 Speaker 1: you guys both here, and we'll do it again soon. 711 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: Go sure next week. I think Steve Foltz, my boss, 712 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: is going to join us. I want to thank the 713 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: listeners for coming and are listening in today, and definitely 714 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: thank you to Danny Gleeson for putting up with all 715 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: of my insecure radio host questions and we'll welcome you 716 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: back next week. Tune in for us, Thank you for listening. 717 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 4: Solution Instant stat