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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. We're short on time.

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Speaker 2: Because UK basketball takes over in exactly seven minutes. Jay

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Speaker 2: Morrison joins us on Thursdays at this time Bengals Talk

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Speaker 2: dot Com, part of the Growler Podcast with Paul Danner Junior, Jay,

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Speaker 2: How's it going.

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 4: I was a word I was going to be able

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Speaker 4: to get on with you. We just got out of

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Speaker 4: a writer's only meeting deciding how we can do our

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Speaker 4: jobs better.

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Speaker 1: And which leaders emerge from that meeting.

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Speaker 3: It was a bunch of people sitting around looking at

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Speaker 3: each other. We did not come up with any answers.

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Speaker 3: I think we could to keep doing what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Typically those meetings do yield positive results, So I'm

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Speaker 2: I am interested to see if some better work from one.

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Speaker 1: Of you emerges.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't count on it.

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Speaker 2: That's a very fair assessment. Do we do we feel?

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Speaker 2: Do we feel like Joe flackhom now may play on Sunday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It sounds encouraging the fact that he was able

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Speaker 3: to throw today. I mean, he was limited the way.

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Speaker 4: They listed him, but that makes sense because the plan

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Speaker 4: was going to be to have him and Jake Browning

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Speaker 4: split reps so if he doesn't take his fool amount

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Speaker 4: of reps, then he.

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Speaker 3: Gets listed as limited. But as long as.

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Speaker 4: There's not a setback, it looks like the path is

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Speaker 4: there for him to ramp up and be the starter

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Speaker 4: on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: So what's al gold is supposed to do with this defense,

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Speaker 2: especially if Trey Hendrickson doesn't go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, it's it's almost

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Speaker 3: to the point.

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Speaker 4: Where they have to start blitzing more. There's the only

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Speaker 4: way they're going to get pressure. They they just keep

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Speaker 4: waiting and expressing hope and belief that it's going to

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Speaker 4: turn on for Schamar and from Miles Murphy and Joseph Osai,

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Speaker 4: and it just hasn't been there. And you know, I

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Speaker 4: guess Schamar has a little bit more understanding there because

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Speaker 4: he got started so late and then he just gets

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Speaker 4: rolling and then he has four weeks off and so

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Speaker 4: he is really far behind on time on task. But

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Speaker 4: they they've got to find some way to get pressure.

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Speaker 4: And he just guys that aren't winning one on ones

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Speaker 4: don't all of a sudden just start winning one on ones.

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Speaker 4: And so I think he's gonna have to get creative

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Speaker 4: and start bringing some more blitzes, and we did see

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Speaker 4: that a little bit last week. You know, the only

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Speaker 4: quarterback they hit was Cam Taylor Brick coming on a

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Speaker 4: on a corner blitz and he got he got to

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Speaker 4: justin field. So I could see them doing a little

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Speaker 4: more of that, But then you also worry about doing

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Speaker 4: that against a running quarterback in Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: It could really burn you.

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor talked after the Jets game about the need

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Speaker 2: for defensive leaders to emerge.

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Speaker 1: Who are those guys supposed to be?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean your captains obviously, but it's they're just

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Speaker 4: such a weird spot. Know you've benched one and Logan Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson just doesn't I don't know what he's like

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Speaker 4: when the media is not in there, but when the

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Speaker 4: media and there, he just doesn't seem like he's in

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Speaker 4: the locker room interacting with players. He's hurt himself. He

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Speaker 4: may not even play again this week. He hasn't practiced

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Speaker 4: yet this week. And bj Hill is just you know,

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Speaker 4: he's he's he's got leadership qualities, but he's not that

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Speaker 4: that al the leader that they were just desperately crating

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Speaker 4: a guy like Barrett Carter could be that guy. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of the equation of why they

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Speaker 4: turned to him over Logan Wilson is not just the

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Speaker 4: spark in play, but the spark in leadership. And but still,

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Speaker 4: that's a lot to ask a rookie in this spot.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's my question, and none of the players

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Speaker 4: want to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: But when they had that player's only meeting, who was

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Speaker 3: who it would have been. And I think it's a

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Speaker 3: really interesting question, and maybe somewhere down the line someone

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Speaker 3: will be willing to say it, But that's it. They

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Speaker 3: are desperately seeking that on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: I think I know who wasn't standing in front of

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Speaker 1: the room. Who's that Mike Panell.

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Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, yeah, he got out of here as fast

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Speaker 3: as possible. He ain't seen enough. And you know, and

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Speaker 3: that's what sparked.

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Speaker 4: Our writers only meeting today because none of us thought

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Speaker 4: to ask Zach about what Mike Fanella yesterday at the

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Speaker 4: press conference. There was so many other issues that flipped

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Speaker 4: everybody's mind. But it's just curious Duke always has that

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Speaker 4: line about it, it's not his job to make other teams better. Well,

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Speaker 4: he just did that by releasing Mike Panell to go

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Speaker 4: to the Chiefs, a team that could potentially stand in

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Speaker 4: this team's way if they.

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Speaker 3: Get things turned around and find a way of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Who stood in front of the room during the writers meeting.

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Speaker 3: Well, that will keep that between us. We'll keep that.

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Speaker 1: I understand that. That's very good.

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Speaker 2: Is this team's you know, they've run the ball really

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Speaker 2: effectively and it's it's sort of gone. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to say unnoticed, but the way they lost last week,

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Speaker 2: nobody wanted to talk about positives.

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Speaker 1: Are the Bengals now actually good at running the football?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I would say they are.

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Speaker 4: It's I think it's notable that just the way that

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Speaker 4: they are moving people off the ball and there's.

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Speaker 3: Holes and then getting Samage into the mix.

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Speaker 4: And I think that was part of the plan all along.

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Speaker 4: But they just were so staggered on offense and they

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Speaker 4: just struggled to get first downs and get drives put together.

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Speaker 4: And now that Flacco's in there and they're moving the

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Speaker 4: ball at a normal pace, they they're able to do that.

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Speaker 4: They're able to run more plays, and I think it's

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Speaker 4: just all kind of building on itself. I don't I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's fool's gold at all. I really do

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Speaker 4: think this has been two legitimate games of a really

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Speaker 4: good rushing attack, and I would expect to see that continue.

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Speaker 4: I think they found a little something there, and it

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Speaker 4: probably goes to Joe Black would being more willing to

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Speaker 4: go under center and do the play action stuff and

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Speaker 4: the stuff that Joe Burrow doesn't like to do.

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Speaker 1: At what bar? Did the writers only meeting take place?

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Speaker 3: Oh? It was in the media room here at the stage. Wow,

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Speaker 3: that's that's probably that's we should have a follow up

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Speaker 3: your biggest at the bar. It would have been far

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Speaker 3: more productive.

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Speaker 2: That's the biggest upset of them all that you guys

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Speaker 2: had a writer's only meeting and alcohol wasn't involved.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, yeah, that's that's probably why it.

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Speaker 2: Went south, exactly. Have to research our priorities. Jay, thank

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Speaker 2: you as always.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks Bob.

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Speaker 2: That's our man, Jay Morrison. Read him Bengals Talk dot Com,

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