WEBVTT - 10-15-25 Bill Cunningham Show 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.920 Bill Cunningham the Grand American and welcomed this. A Wednesday 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.360 afternoon in the tri State, the weather is perking once again, 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.800 but Saturday and Sunday rain is predicted. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:15.880 Plus tomorrow night. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.680 The Steelers in town, the Bengalley's are what two and 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.000 four they win the next three games or five and four? 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:22.880 They were five and four when they went to the 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.160 Super Bowl. So I have hope. I have hope and 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.159 Joe Flacco and I have hoped that maybe there'll be 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.200 a quarterback controversy, that Flacca will be so good that 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.920 Burrows can't get his job back if he comes back 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:34.479 in December. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:35.320 That's my hope. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.680 But until then, we have serious problems in the River City. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.560 I have Senator Euston coming up later. I have Britney 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.680 Ruby coming up later. I have Justice Joe Dieters coming 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.680 up later, plus my commentary. But until then, Judge Joshua Berkowitz. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.320 Judge Burkowitz is the presiding judge of Hemny County Municipal Court. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.640 And for those who may not know that, the first 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.320 appearance generally of a criminal defendant felony or misdemeanor, is 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.200 in front of a judge like Berkowitz and they set bond. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.680 Then the case normally goes to the grand jury. Then 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.039 it's another bond is set in common police cord across 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.360 the street. But until then, Judge Josh Burker, which welcome 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.720 again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.720 we had some more terrible violence on Fountain Square. I 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.400 see that eighteen people have been wounded shot in and 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.080 around Fountain Square since the start of the year. And 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.479 one of the persons doing the shooting through the plate 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.560 glass window was on probation because of previous flownius assaults 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.160 committed by him earlier this year, and. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:30.760 So he's out. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.920 So just in general, what is the difficulty you see 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.280 on the ground is one of the judges who actually 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.119 set bonds, many of which your fellow judges are setting 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.120 no cash bonds. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.360 Sign your name and lee for serious offenses. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.160 Thank you, Bill, thanks for having me on again. I mean, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.440 this just couldn't get more alarming. I feel like what 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:57.639 we're witnessing here in Cincinnati is nothing short, nothing less 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:04.640 than a descent into third world lawlessness. I can't really 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.200 believe it. I grew up here, born and raised here. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.960 This was a safe city. That's not to say that 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.720 there was never crime, of course there was, but this 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:19.880 escalation of violence and a complete absence of consequences for 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:25.200 all manner of criminal behavior. It's flat out scary, and 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.480 I think it is touching the lives of every person 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:33.680 in this region, whether you work here, live here, whatever. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.920 People are fed up with it, and they should be. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.720 This is the predictable. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:45.800 Product of twenty years of bad progressive criminal justice policy 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.480 that you know, among other things, was sold on the 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.840 public in this community and around the country that this 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.080 would make us safer. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:55.640 I'm talking about. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:01.480 What you mentioned, no cash bail, talking about the move 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.120 to empty prisons, to not send convicted felons to prisons, 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.880 to not lock people up in the county jail, to 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:14.160 treat victims, to ignore victims of crime, and to treat 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:20.680 the police as the villains and the responsible. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.919 Party when there's a criminal act. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.680 All of that contributes to this atmosphere of lawlessness in 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:28.799 the city of Cincinnati. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.079 Josh bergerit you did a TV interview a few nights 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.720 ago in which you had some statistics from I think 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.760 it was twenty nineteen, about six years ago, and you 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.280 might recall fifteen or twenty years ago while you were 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.320 probably still in high school. There was movements a foot 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.920 to double the jail space. How many county jail wasn't able. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.440 We were double bunking criminals and there was a federal 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.280 judge ordering Hamilton County to release criminals. My wife, when 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.720 she was on the bench would get emails from Sheriff 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.720 Simon Lee's at eight am, not accepting anymore and more criminals. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.080 Today we're full up, We're more than full. And because 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.960 of bonds being set and judges like you, not twenty 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.480 years ago but currently would send people to Hamny County 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.440 jail for like thirty days, give them a taste, break 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.240 the cycle. But what are the facts statistics now in 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.159 twenty twenty five as supposed I think it was twenty nineteen, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:21.920 which wasn't exactly a long time. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.760 It was not a long time ago six years ago. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.719 I compared the dates October fourteenth, twenty twenty five October 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:37.720 twenty October fourteenth, twenty nineteen. The population six years ago 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.000 of the Justice Center was fifteen hundred and fifty people, Okay, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.960 one hundred supposedly over capacity of the Justice Center, which 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:51.279 supposedly has a capacity of fourteen fifty two yesterday, the 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.840 capacity at the Justice Center still fourteen fifty two and 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.080 the population was something like twelve sixty, so almost two 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:04.960 hundred empty beds just yesterday. The whole floors, whole floors 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.800 of the Justice Center are empty. You know, we started 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.279 getting these emails every day from the Sheriff's department letting 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.080 us know about the population. You know, ten years ago 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.240 when I started, when that overpopulation was such a concern 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.760 and at times they had to send inmates to Butler County. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.080 And I'm proud of the fact Bill I never bought 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.479 into it. You know, they would, they would kind of subtly, Hey, judge, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.839 maybe the way you set bonds. You know, we've got 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:37.480 this overcrowding situation. I never thought that was our responsibility 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.200 as judges. That's the sheriff's responsibility to maintain the jail 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.240 under the Constitution of Ohio. And they took steps to 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.640 deal with it. They'd send inmates to Butler County. Now 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.320 we've got a situation and we can see the numbers 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.719 in black and white. Two hundred empty beds in the 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:58.760 Hamilton County Justice Center. I mean, that is outrageous. Does 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.080 anybody think that there's three hundred less crimes occurring in 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.280 Hamilton County right now than there were six years ago. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.080 No nobody believes that. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.479 Well, if you're Joe Strucker living a simple life in 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.000 a good way, what do you say to him? As 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.479 far as having the open beds, how come there are 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.640 two to three hundred open beds. You're a judge sentencing people, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.559 there are setting bonds. Why are there so many open 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.040 beds when there's more crime? 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:31.120 I think it's a reflection of those progressive policies. These 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:36.640 are policy choices in setting bonds, in fashioning sentencing on 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.400 misdemeanors and on felonies, and it's a reflection of progressive 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.919 police policies from City Hall. There's no question that the 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.280 administration at City Hall and in the Cincinnati Police Department 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.720 have actively discouraged proactive law enforcement. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.000 There's no question. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.640 Whether you're talking about, you know, traffic enforcement, or you're 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:04.240 talking about going after illegal guns or illegal drugs, or 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.440 trying to get at the violent offenders, you name it. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:08.600 There is no question. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.920 I mean, look, there's something like one hundred or two 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.680 hundred police officers down from where the contract says they 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:19.720 should be. They're not putting the resources necessary to combat crime. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.040 But more importantly than the numbers to me is they 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:28.720 have actively discouraged proactive policing. And they did this proudly 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.720 a couple of years ago. They were proud of themselves 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.080 that they were reimagining police work. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:40.160 If you remember the language of twenty twenty, that they 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:46.239 didn't they didn't want officers proactively identifying and going after 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:51.960 people carrying illegal guns, carrying illegal drugs, engaged in illegal trafficking. Well, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.160 that's how you get at that's how you interrupt those 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.600 cycles of violence before they happen. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.480 You get the people carrying an illegal gun, you get 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:04.480 the people engaged in drug trafficking before it goes over 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.840 into shootings, and innocent people are caught in the crossfire. 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.640 When I practice actively on the criminal defense bar, if 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.600 you had a client on a no driver's license or 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:19.200 driving under suspension, or driving with no insurance, it was regular. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.280 If you're in front of a judge Jack Rosen or 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:28.240 even a judge Robert Gorman Democrat, Rich Kneehouse Democrat, Skip 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.600 West Democrat, they would go to jail. Because if you 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.840 drive a car and you don't have a license and 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.920 you don't have insurance, that's like a serious offense. Today, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.240 Scottie Johnson and others tell police, if you do that, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.839 we're going to have a Pandora's box. Well you pull 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.240 somebody over speeding, Well you're going thirty five and a 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.560 twenty five. Let me see your license. Well I don't 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.400 have a license. And let me see your insurance. I 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.800 don't have insurance. You run them as there's two warrants 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:57.520 out for your arrest, get out of the car now 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.880 your hand's on and they might find in the car 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.480 other stuff. When you talk about proactive policing, if someone's 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.480 walking around downtown Cincinnati smoking a joint or injecting himselves 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.839 with drugs. For the first time, yesterday I heard Chief 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.360 of Police Fiji, who by the way, is on extremely 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:17.320 thin ice maybe single digits employment, say that we're going 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.040 to quote confront you. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:19.719 You will be. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.560 Confronted if you're violating your criminal statue. If you're confronted, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:24.640 what the hell does that mean. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.480 I'm not familiar with that terminology in the law bill. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.080 You know, none of this stuff used to be controversial 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.840 ten years ago. Even ten years ago when I took 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:41.960 the bench, there was not this this divergence of approach 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.800 when it comes to bond setting. For example, all the 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.320 judges that you mentioned and the judges that were on 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.160 the bench, whether they were Democrat or Republican, it didn't matter. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.199 It just wasn't a controversial thing. You see, you if 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.360 you saw a dangerous individual, how do you know, well, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.959 the seriousess of the allegation, the criminal history, their history 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.440 of failure to appear in court. You know, serious bonds 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.360 were set on serious cases and that was not something 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:15.080 that was terribly controversial. But like I said, that progressive philosophy, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.200 and it was very it was very proudly brought to 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.000 the bench that we're going to just like that, reimagining police, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.920 defunding the police, ending cash bail. I mean, there's this 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:30.720 mentality amongst the progressive activist lawyers and now unfortunately some 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:35.000 judges around the country that views the jail or prison 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:40.360 as a as an absolute, just unnecessary evil. They just 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.720 they load the concept of sending somebody to jail. It's 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.640 very very I mean, it's tragic in a number of respects. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.440 Obviously it's made our community less safe, but they ignore 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.840 and overlook all of the positive things that can happen. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.840 You know, when we set appropriate bonds on serious cases. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.280 We have the potential to disrupt cycles of violence, cycles 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.280 of addiction, cycles of abuse and trauma, you know, all 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.000 the things that that progressive minded people claim to care 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.560 so much about. We have the opportunity to send a 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.480 message to victims that our that our courthouse is fair, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.079 that it's functional, that they're going to get justice here. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.920 We have the opportunity to connect people with all kinds 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:29.040 of services through the jail, mental health treatment, drug addiction treatment. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:34.960 I mean, these are real, real opportunities, uh, to you know, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.520 reduce violence in this community and and and push back 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.840 and to deter criminal behavior. And it's it's nothing short 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.720 of a tragedy that so many at all levels of 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:53.000 government have seen that as as unnecessary and oh it's 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.320 just it's too expensive. You know, criminal justice is not 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.360 a line item on a budget. This is why people 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.880 pay tax locally, state, federal, so that they are not 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.920 shot coming out of their workplace. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.120 Or going out to dinner, so that they're not. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.040 In the crossfire, so that violent people are taken off 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.800 the streets and we can live in a safe community. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.480 Judge Berkowitz I said to you off the air, this 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.199 is not democratic Republican. I appeared in front of Democratic 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.400 judges like Cheryl Grant or Andrew West or Nadine Allen 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.120 or Rich Kniehaus or feller Offer Gorman, go down the list, 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:36.360 and there wasn't a great separation between Democrat and Republican. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:37.960 But today there is. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.040 And I think that George Floyd effect in twenty twenty 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.320 was a key part of that. That there was a 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.720 sense that we have to reimagine criminal justice. So now 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.800 we have judges like Kerry Bloom who's in juvenile court 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.720 that doesn't want to sentence somebody to jail because jail 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.680 inflicts more harm upon a defendant than the defendant inflicted 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.800 upon the victim. There was a report by Channel nineteen 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.760 Fox nineteen that so far this year she has sent 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.880 one seventeen year old to adult court for an adult 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.120 crime involving a gun. 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:10.120 And so. 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.520 Are you exasperated when you get with your fellow judges 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.680 and you must run around with the other thirteen or 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:17.400 fourteen of them? 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:18.720 Is there a sense? 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.480 Is there a disagreement, Is there an argument or simply 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.320 all of you are like different islands together. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.880 Yeah, you know, I try to focus on my responsibility 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.560 when I set bonds. You know, that's my I believe 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:39.120 I take seriously our constitutional responsibility to consider public safety 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.640 when we're setting bonds. But I'm not in another courtroom. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.079 I'm not in front of these other judges. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.120 I don't I'm not. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.840 Looking over their shoulder, and I don't know their thought process. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.679 I would hope that everyone on our court takes this 0:13:55.760 --> 0:14:00.840 responsibility seriously. I hope that people are starting to uh 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.719 that these policies, like I said earlier, you know, they 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.199 were all not just supposed to be more fair, not 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.240 just supposed to be you know, less expensive. They were 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.040 all pitched to the to the community and to the 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.880 court as they would make our community safer. And by 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:21.040 any measure, it has been an abject failure, an absolute 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.320 failure in every sense of the word. And I would 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.560 hope that the judges who are on the court, both 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.360 my colleagues and municipal court and in the common Police 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.000 Court where a felony sentencing occurs, I hope that people 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.960 wake up to the reality this community. I don't care 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:39.120 what neighborhood you're. 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.920 In, It's not just Kenwood, it's not just Indian Hill. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:47.560 People across this community want safe neighborhoods, safe streets. They 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.360 want their kids to be able to go to school 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.960 without fear of gunfire. They want they want to be 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.440 able to go out and enjoy a ballgame or a 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.600 night out at a at a restaurant downtown without worrying 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.320 about you know, what happened between the car and the 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.880 front door. That is not and it shouldn't be too 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:11.160 much to ask. Those are reasonable expectations, and it's not 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:12.880 being delivered right now. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.320 Two to three hundred empty beds in the Hamlet County 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:19.160 Justice Center tells exactly what's happening. But Judge Josh Burko, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.240 which we have to go and we'll see what happens. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.360 We get the government we deserve, and we need better 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.680 judges and not Democrat Republican. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.720 We need those who sentence criminal to. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.120 Jail and keep people in jail locked up for serious crimes. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.240 And about half the bench doesn't do it, and half 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.680 do when you're in the part that does it correctly. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.800 But Judge Josh Burko, yeah, go ahead, judge. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.600 You know, the great thing about the system of electing. 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.520 Judges in Ohio is that people have a voice. They 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.840 have the opportunity to choose what kind of justice system 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.840 that they want in Hamilton County and around the counties 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.760 of Ohio. Every one of us, every judge, has to 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:57.640 stand for election. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.160 You know, public safety is one. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.000 Hundred percent on the ballot right next to me when 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.200 I'm running this fall. And for people who want to 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.640 get involved, they can go to keep Judge Berkerwitz dot com. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.760 They can get involved, they can express their support and 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:20.120 voice their desire to live in a safe community. And yeah, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.560 elections have consequences. We have an opportunity to send a 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:28.120 strong message that this community still cares and still demands 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.800 public safety. I believe we do, and I think we're 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.080 going to send us strong messages. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:33.760 I hope. 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.040 All right, Judge Burkeerysh thanks for coming on the Bill 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.480 Cunningham Show. And Judge, you're a great American. Thank you 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:38.960 very much. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.600 Thank you, Bill, I appreciate your time. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.720 Well let's continue with Mark coming up later as a 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.840 United States Senator, and also Britney Ruby and also Justice 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:52.440 Jeaters on news radio seven hundred WLW. You know, the 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.960 more I listen to Lance McAllister, the more I like them. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.600 The guy's got some talent, join me and listening to 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.600 him every night six to nine, et cetera. Let's get 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.000 down to specifics. Let's name names, setting up today's big show. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.239 I want to thank Judge Josh Berkowitz for coming on 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.080 somewhat difficult, and I know he's going to catch some 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.960 flak from some for telling the truth. But the truth 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.679 will set you free. And the fact that we have 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.000 two to three hundred empty beds in the Hamley County 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.080 Justice Center also known as the jail, is indicative of 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.880 a large problem with the judges of Hamilton County. This 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.320 is not may I say, Democrat or Republican, or male 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.919 versus female, because some of the best conservative judges I 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.280 know are female, like Penelope R. Cunningham or Sharon Kennedy 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.880 or Melba Marsh. There's all kinds of good female judges, 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.840 all kinds of good Democratic judges. For many years, whether 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.880 it was Judge Gorman or Judge West, Judge Morey Kneehouse, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:55.320 Judge Richard Kneehouse or Judge Nadine Allen or Cheryl Grant 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.280 or Andrew West, they were all Democrats, but they had 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.439 a sense of protecting the community from the criminal element 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.120 in which they lived. It's kind of odd the Democrats 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.639 that's the party that elects judges that have a no 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.560 cash bond, no one goes to jail attitude. When the 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.440 defendants in front of these democratic judges prey upon the 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.720 black community itself, one might ask, in that's somewhat odd, but. 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:24.160 This is where we are. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.600 I am told by knowledgeable sources that the days of 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.480 Chief of Police Teresa Thigi are numbered in the single digits. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:33.800 She's going to be. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:38.240 The fall guy, the fall girl for what's happening. She 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.240 has completely lost the confidence of her command staff. She 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.919 speaks to the media, but doesn't speak to the command staff, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.080 the many women in blue. She doesn't go to districts, 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.879 and there's no respect, no respect between the command staff 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.639 of CPD and the cops in the street on the 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.760 one hand, and Chief of Police Terisa Thigi on the other. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.840 You might know that she's left town. She's in Denver 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.520 allegedly for a three day, four day Chief of Police conference. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.280 They're working out her severance package, and they want to 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.040 bring in someone that commands the respect of the men 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.160 and women in blue because they don't respect her. That's 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.679 a problem. I'm also told that the Sheriff of Hamilton 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.920 County Charmaine McGuffey has stepped forward to say I will 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:31.160 fill the breach. In fact, one politician told me that 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.960 they kind of asked the sheriff, Charmaine McGuffey, if she 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.399 can also serve as the chief of police, and the 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:43.240 answer was no, can't do that. But see, the jurisdiction 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.080 of the sheriff is as complete on Fountain Square as 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:50.320 it is in Sycamore Township. It's the entire county. And 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.119 she is outraged at what she sees in her city. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.440 And she does have the respect of her command staff. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.280 And you talk to the men and women in gold 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.560 and black operating the Sheriff's department, they say, we respect 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:07.480 that that woman right there, Charmaine McGuffey. We respect her 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.440 because she came up through the ranks, held every lousy 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:14.000 job in the Sheriff's department. She was a corporal, a sergeant, lieutenant, 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:15.840 a captain of commander. She come all the way up, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.880 so all those years she built relationships up and down 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.520 the ladder with the men and women in gold and 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.560 black who wear the sheriff's uniform. So look forward in 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.160 the future to Charmaine McGuffey to get a much larger role. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.520 I also would note that because the election is only 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.760 about two and a half weeks away, that I have 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.359 to have pureval has seen the promised Land, He's seen 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.199 the light, so he kind of wants at this point 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.960 the state to come in and do more stuff so 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.560 that the Feds don't come in and do a lot 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.000 of stuff. You heard Anna Albie with Scott Sloan, and 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.640 she's completely lost her way as a left wing radical. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.840 Blaming guns for violence is like blaming cars for car recks. 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.760 But nonetheless, we've had that argument so many times in 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.800 the past, is not worth repeating it. One of the 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.960 safest plays to be is at a gun show in 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.359 which there's thousands of guns and thousands of rounds of 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.520 ammunition and hundreds of people with guns everywhere, and nobody 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:14.920 gets shot. No such a thing as gun violence. There's 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.639 three hundred million guns in the country. Guns do not 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:22.439 commit violence. Cars do not commit violence. People operating cars 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.240 and operating guns they do commit violence. And we got 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.879 law upon law after law about who can drive a car, 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:29.840 who can't drive a car, who can own a gun, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.320 who cannot own a gun? Three day waiting period, you 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.760 got waiting You got this. You got that. They're all 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.240 kind of loss. It is not about some inanimate metal 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.479 objects that is never on its own hurt anyone unless 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.160 it's fired an accident, well by itself. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:44.240 That's not a problem. 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:49.080 So it's absurd for Anna Albi to talk about guns 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.080 are the problem, or I have to have pure of 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.680 all who's completely lost his way. Guns are the problem. 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:58.200 It's like blaming a Chevrolet. If some driver drives drunk, 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.199 uses it improperly and hurts someone, No one locks up 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.920 to Chevrolet. So it is ridiculous. It's an excuse because 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.560 of the failure of their policies. That's why guns are 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.159 mentioned so often my Democrats. It's an excuse and a 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.080 diversion from reality. Getting back to the question at hand, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:20.360 f Ted Pirreval has determined that Chief of Police, Teresa 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:25.040 Thiji must go. It's reached national proportions. I may play 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.240 later for you a national commentator talking about the city 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.639 of Cincinnati and how absurd it is to have a 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.040 chief of police that looks like she belongs on a 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.480 can of Dutch Boy soup Dutch Boy paint. That would 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.920 be Thiji saying we're going to confront you if you 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.080 commit crime, you will be confronted. It isn't call it 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.240