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Speaker 1: Radio and podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Free never sounded so good.

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Speaker 1: This show really is all over the place.

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Speaker 3: I sometimes wonder if there's anybody left listening out there,

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Speaker 3: ding dong, Hello, Please do respond, just so I know

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Speaker 3: you're there. I don't care about calls, but next segment

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Speaker 3: eight three three four one two WSDX, let me know

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Speaker 3: that you're still listening. I am going to get a

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Speaker 3: more stuck into the Steelers this segment, the Steelers are

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Speaker 3: just drowning an ancillary garbage, Rogers being wonky, the media

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Speaker 3: and fans kind of turning on Mike Tomlin deservedly so.

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Speaker 3: The focus on the upcoming draft in Pittsburgh, and that

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Speaker 3: may be influencing football decisions that should go in a

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Speaker 3: different direction, like not trading a draft pick at the

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Speaker 3: trade deadline, the decline of what after signing that big ticket,

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Speaker 3: the flop of Metcalf, the failure that tight end room,

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Speaker 3: really the whole vision fan five and four, and on

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Speaker 3: top of the AFC nor Dully noted, this isn't going

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Speaker 3: like it's supposed to. It's getting worse and not better.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee Aaron Rodgers would agree. It's the Mark Man Show.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm at Carson's Tavern in Scottdale for the

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Speaker 3: game on Sunday, kickoff at one pm. You want to

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Speaker 3: watch this game with me, come to Carsons. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be epic classic because it is just, I mean, the potential.

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Speaker 3: They could win forty nothing, they could lose forty nothing,

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Speaker 3: maybe not forty nothing. That Bengals defense couldn't pitch a

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Speaker 3: shutout against.

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Speaker 1: Shaler High School.

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Speaker 3: So join me Sunday at Carson's in Scottdale for Steelers

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Speaker 3: versus Bengals. They go to Penguins viewing party by the way,

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Brewing nine am Sunday morning. That's gonna be kind

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Speaker 3: of fun out there in Creighton. And then we got

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Speaker 3: the Penguins talk of the Devil versus Nashville at Sweden

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Speaker 3: tomorrow puck drops at two pm here on the X

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Speaker 3: day off. For me, I might go watch that Running

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Speaker 3: Man not sequel, remake of reimagining whatever it is. This

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Speaker 3: trip to Sweden, it's fun for those guys. You can

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Speaker 3: see that with all the stuff posted on the Penguins website.

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Speaker 3: But they need to get points, every single point. Cons

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Speaker 3: The Penguins found that out in twenty twenty three and

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four by just missing out on the playoffs

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Speaker 3: and still notice his Brunick. Will he stay or will

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Speaker 3: he go now back to juniors? But I'm told of

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Speaker 3: a loophole. I'd keep him what youth be sird, But

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Speaker 3: I'm told of a loophole. They can't send her to

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Speaker 3: the AHL, to Wilkes, because the role the agreement with

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Speaker 3: Junior A hockey. He has to play in the NHL

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Speaker 3: or go back to juniors. However, if any player is

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Speaker 3: to the AHL on a conditioning assignment. And that applies

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Speaker 3: here to Brunic as well. Maybe that's what they're angling for. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'd keep them in the NHL. I would send them

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Speaker 3: for that conditioning assignment. But then I'll bring them back

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Speaker 3: to the NHL and keep them. Let youth be served.

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Speaker 3: I might keep morishof too, but let's see him play

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Speaker 3: a few more NHL games and the goalie thing, that'd

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Speaker 1: With contracts, giant shilloffs.

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Speaker 3: You can't store that many veterans at big money at

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Speaker 3: NHL money Don and Wilkes. And by the way, I'm

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Speaker 3: not down on shilloffs at all. I think he's the

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Speaker 3: better of the two goalies between him and Jari, He's

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Speaker 3: been very good except for shootouts, if you didn't lose

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Speaker 3: the loser point for pulling the goalie in overtime. That's

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Speaker 3: a role, you know in the NHL, not in Russia.

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Speaker 3: Stay with me on this one. If you pull the

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Speaker 3: goalie in overtime and lose, you don't get the loser

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Speaker 3: for that, I'd say pull the goalie in three on

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Speaker 3: Red Army does that in rushing the KHL because you

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Speaker 3: don't lose the loser point there, they get possession, pull

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Speaker 3: Sergei Federof's the coach he came up with that. That's

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Speaker 3: good stuff. I mentioned earlier that the NFL draft being

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Speaker 3: and the biggie could be you gotta draft the quarterback

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Speaker 3: in the future after failing with Kenny Pickett, after Tomlin

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Speaker 3: has failed and failed again at quarterback ever since been retired.

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Speaker 3: I mean the Picket choice to draft him in the

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Speaker 3: first round when no other NFL team would have, and

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Speaker 3: when most of the Steelers' organization contradicted Tomlin and did

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Speaker 3: That pick set the Steelers back four or five years,

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Speaker 3: as we're seeing right now with a forty one year

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Speaker 3: small part, could see Tom Win buying into Will Howard,

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Speaker 3: which he definitely shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: But now I feel like the draft in.

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh dictates the Steelers take a quarterback and Art the

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Speaker 3: the way, when they do draft the quarterback, Tom will

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Speaker 3: screw that up to He's never replaced man. He screwed

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Speaker 3: the Poochs by drafting Picket, like I said, when no

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Speaker 3: anything right. What's the last good decision of Mike Tomlin made. Seriously,

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Speaker 3: three three, four to one two WXDX. It wasn't drafting

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Speaker 3: Broderick Jones. Wasn't drafting Pickett or Pickens or Lell in

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Speaker 3: It certainly wasn't drafting Kendrick Green to piss benoff, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't look like drafting Caleb Johnson's gonna work the Minka trade,

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Speaker 3: the Ramsey trade, and john who comes here? He was

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Speaker 3: now he's pretty much on the payno mind list. Tomlin

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Speaker 3: is incompetent. Look at the evidence like I listed just

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Speaker 3: now and even more a little bit a go this

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Speaker 3: game on Sunday in Cincinnati. So what if the Steelers win,

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Speaker 3: where's it get him? And it's very losable. The offense

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Speaker 1: Nobody on the Steelers has a remote chance to cover Chase.

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Speaker 3: They could triple team him and Flacco would get the

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Speaker 3: just like Rogers can't to DK. This game feels like

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Speaker 3: a Tom Win special, the bad kind. You got Rogers

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Speaker 3: being a sour puss, and the crowd cook get hostile.

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Speaker 1: It can only be a bad turning point. Even a win.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you want to get it, but the win

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot on Twitter lately, even more so.

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Speaker 3: You're too negative. You're a negative Nelly, negative Nancy, whatever

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Speaker 3: woman's name could best be applied to me. And I

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Speaker 3: do look good in lingerie, but but you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: what am I supposed to do? John Gruden saying Will

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Speaker 3: Howard's gonna be a starter in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He just isn't. He just isn't. Skeen said he wants

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Speaker 3: He just won't. Skeen's wanting to stay. It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: And too many people out there, and I think they

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Speaker 3: benefit from this, but they just rubber stamped. Oh yes,

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Speaker 3: Skeen's gonna win. He wants to stay, he wants to win.

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Speaker 3: And the and Gruden, I mean Gruden, and just like

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Speaker 3: every quarterback is great in his verbiage anyway.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about in his mind, So I don't

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Speaker 1: know what am I supposed to do?

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Speaker 3: Maybe quit like I should have What was it thirteen

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Speaker 3: months fourteen months ago? Should have quit? Should have quit,

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Speaker 3: should have quit? Still could should have quit then still

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Speaker 3: might probably not. I don't know why I hate myself.

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Speaker 3: That's why one oh five nine The.

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Speaker 4: X Friday afternoon, the Penn's face off against the Predators.

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Speaker 4: Game time is two, Our coverage starts at one. Listen

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Speaker 4: to every game and the best Pens coverage on your

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Speaker 4: home of the Pittsburgh Penguins. Five nine.

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Speaker 3: The X people are freaking out over this year, so loud,

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Speaker 3: but today's attribute to abba on and off all day.

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Speaker 3: With the Penguins playing in Sweden, this show gets preempted tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is listening.

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Speaker 3: I asked at the last if anybody listening could call

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Speaker 3: to confer there was any point in me continuing.

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Speaker 1: To talk, because I'm not sure anymore.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, this show's all over the place, but

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Speaker 3: I like it, and that's what cons the most.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 3: John five Motley Cruz guitarist, Screw the Steelers, Screw the Pirates,

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Speaker 3: screw the Penguins, even Skeens Howard f them all. I

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Speaker 3: got to talk to Motley Cruz, guitarist and don't forget

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Speaker 3: fives at Jurgles on Monday Night along with Richie Cottson.

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Speaker 3: I like this Terry Bradshaw SoundBite. He says that we

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Speaker 3: shouldn't just assume Tom Brady is the best quarterback ever.

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Speaker 5: I always said, whether Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback

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Speaker 1: Okay, is he really? Oto Graham might be the greatest

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Speaker 1: quarterback they ever played. How many titles Doato win him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Look it up? And then Tom lost three.

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Speaker 5: I was touring out Montana was four and oh Tom

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Speaker 3: I love Terry a child to her hero on mine

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Speaker 1: That's kind of the way I look at it too.

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Speaker 3: And Brady is assumed to be the best quarterback ever

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Speaker 3: because he won seven Super Bowls. But Terry got this wrong.

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Speaker 3: Auto Graham also won seven championships for Cleveland. He won

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Speaker 3: seven championships for Cleveland. That's like winning seven hundred for

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Speaker 3: any other team. I got that's actually the bad analogy.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah it is, I got it right. And

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Speaker 3: five MVPs too. Bradshawn Montana wore four O, Brady won

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Speaker 3: seven and three. Brady was dink and dunk. Really, that's

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Speaker 3: what he was. Bradshaw made plays, Bradshaw went don Field.

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Speaker 3: I'd pick Bradshaw to win a big game before i'd

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Speaker 3: take Brady. And I'm gonna say that again just so

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you hear me and you believe it when

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Speaker 3: I say I would pick Terry Bradshaw to win a

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Speaker 3: percent positive that Dan Marino was a far better quarterback

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Speaker 3: than Tom Brady. Championships don't mean nothing, but nor do

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Speaker 3: they mean everything. We got Josh Joey in just a

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Speaker 3: you on the air. I just need to know that

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Speaker 3: you're listening. Actually I don't need to know. Don't call

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Speaker 3: who cares? Uh the Rogers thing, because I'm thinking Rogers

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Speaker 3: is probably ready to crack this thing. With Rogers is

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Speaker 3: maybe Sunday at La was just a bad game. But

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Speaker 3: Rogers is a little odd dark room ayahuasca, anti vax,

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Speaker 3: flat earth and all that. And he's forty one, and

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Speaker 3: there's it's a phantom wife's story in the New York Post,

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Speaker 3: which I hear has him upset. I'd bet that he's

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Speaker 3: disappointed with the situation in Pittsburgh not being what he'd

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Speaker 3: hoped for.

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Speaker 1: And Saturday at La was real bad. Rogers was real bad,

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Speaker 3: Two picks that comes, He's safety, and he ditched on plays,

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Speaker 2: Hey, Mark, was just letting you know that I was

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Speaker 1: Might be all alone. Well, that's encouraging.

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Speaker 3: Up next, we talk hockey live from Svenska.

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Speaker 1: I think is Sweden called Spenska in Svenska. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: The ex says, your shot at eggs, drink cash money

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Speaker 6: like that, Luccho dineroad, I'm rich, rich, rich, give me

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Speaker 6: listen all day for your chance.

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Speaker 1: Has some extra one nine if you can't get enough.

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Speaker 1: If you're a pitch.

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Speaker 3: Putting us style alive from Sweden. He just sent a

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Speaker 3: and how great was it?

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely magnificent. It was so great, In fact,

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Speaker 1: The Abba Museum.

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Speaker 3: Had I thought it through, I would have gone just

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Speaker 3: He's played nine games, one more activates the first year

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're considering their options, but I think

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Speaker 2: That's exactly where he should be right now, because I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the case. Jari is not looking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the contract thing.

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Speaker 1: Could he stay in the bottom pair, Sure he could.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 2: Clearly, what we're seeing out of Eric Carlson is a

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Speaker 3: See, here's what I'm thinking is kind of a convoluted out,

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Speaker 3: you could send Jari in his contract to Wilkes. What

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Speaker 3: I already know he's the best shootout goalie because he's

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Speaker 2: You're probably right, I just don't see them sending Jari

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Josh Joey live from Sweden.

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Speaker 3: Josh, you're not at the Abbey Museum right now, are you?

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Speaker 2: I believe it's closed as it's about a nine forty

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Speaker 2: pm in Sweden. I'm just roaming the streets of downtown

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Speaker 3: I kind of feel that that should be open twenty

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Speaker 2: It certainly is. It was funny they were on the

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Speaker 2: they practice shootouts for gosh, it had to be thirty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were in a stupid Viking helmet, that's right. Yes,

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Speaker 2: But uh, Kendall. You know, a lot of times you

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Speaker 2: But you can't look that incompetent and shootouts all the time,

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Speaker 1: Who's been the most surprising Penguins so far this year?

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, Well he's hurt right now, But Justin Braso

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Speaker 2: they're playing with Carlson and Lapang respectively. That those are

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Speaker 2: So I don't know where the Penguins to be without

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Speaker 3: I agree with all those picks, but I would also

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Speaker 3: and he's recovered so well from that knee injury that

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Speaker 1: We'll not mailing it in. That's a bad phrase.

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Speaker 2: Oh No, he's been great. He's been their best defenseman

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Speaker 2: by far. He's looked like Eric Carlson. This is the Carlson,

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Speaker 2: but the ones hoped they were getting two and a

435
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: half years ago and that trade was made. So you're right.

436
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: And Manta is second on the team in goals. You know,

437
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: he's got eight goals, most of them coming even strength.

438
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Speaker 2: He clearly has a chemistry with malkoln They've been very

439
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Speaker 2: good together. And I like the fact that he dropped

440
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Speaker 2: the gloves the other day when he thought a liberty

441
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Speaker 2: was taken, whether it really was or not, they just

442
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Speaker 2: haven't had enough guys who would do that in the

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Speaker 2: last few years. I liked his hands up for his teammates,

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Speaker 2: that he's a big guy, and uh, yeah, he's been

445
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Speaker 2: really impressive.

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Speaker 1: Uh who's been the most disappointing peng within so far?

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Speaker 2: Boy, I can't say anybody's been all that disappointing on

448
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Speaker 2: this team so far.

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Speaker 3: Mark, I'd say Brunick. I expected Brunick to at least

450
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Speaker 3: step in and be comfortable. I don't wrong. I'm not

451
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Speaker 3: blaming or bashing. I just I just hope for better.

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Speaker 2: No, especially the way he looked in training camp. When

453
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Speaker 2: he looked like a star in training camp in the preseason,

454
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Speaker 2: so I think everybody's expectations went up a little bit.

455
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Speaker 2: But I he's been to his point. And if I

456
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Speaker 2: had to pick one other guy too, not that he

457
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Speaker 2: was ever going to be a great player, but Philip

458
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: Thomasino has been horrible and he's been benched numerous times.

459
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Speaker 2: And he's a guy who has certainly flashed some talent

460
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Speaker 2: and he did some good things last season. Boy, he

461
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Speaker 2: hasn't been good at all. Just a real problem.

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Speaker 1: What's the reception like for the Penguin and Sweden? Is

463
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Speaker 1: this the big deal the NHL hopes for when they

464
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Speaker 1: do something like.

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Speaker 2: This, I guess, I mean, I don't know how that

466
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Speaker 2: translates long term to growing the game. It's not like

467
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Speaker 2: the game isn't popular in Sweden already, but I can

468
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Speaker 2: tell you just walking around Stockholm and the last couple

469
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Speaker 2: of days, there are number eighty seven jerseys everywhere. Some

470
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Speaker 2: of those are people who have come from Pittsburgh. But

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Speaker 2: Sidney Crosby is a true worldwide star and he is

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Speaker 2: hugely popular in Sweden. You would think it would be

473
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Speaker 2: Eric Carlson all the big life sized posters around Stockholm,

474
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Speaker 2: but it's not. It's Sidney Crosby. That's who people really

475
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Speaker 2: want to see. And yeah, but he's into it. I

476
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Speaker 2: mean in both games are sold out immediately. Secondary ticket

477
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Speaker 2: sales are really really expensive if you want to get

478
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Speaker 2: in the building Friday or Sunday here in Stockholm. So

479
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Speaker 2: now it's been taken pretty seriously here. It does feel

480
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Speaker 2: like a big deal. People here are really excited about it.

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Speaker 2: I think especially because sid is here.

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Speaker 3: Well is he the biggest star among the players from

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Speaker 3: both teams in Stockholm? Or is Carlson the bigger star

484
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Speaker 3: because he's Swedish?

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Speaker 2: Sure feels like it's said to be honest, I mean,

486
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Speaker 2: Carlson isn't just from talking with a lot of the

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Speaker 2: Swedish reporters. This might seem silly because the National Predators

488
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Speaker 2: don't exactly moved the dial, But Philip Forsburgh is a

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Speaker 2: really big deal here. He's a Swedish guy, great player

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Speaker 2: and just really well liked tourist. I think Carlson, much

491
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Speaker 2: like in Pittsburgh, people kind of like Carlson here, but

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Speaker 2: he's still kind of a polarizing figure and he's not

493
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Speaker 2: from Stockholm. He's from a few hours away from here,

494
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Speaker 2: whereas Forstburgh's popular. But honestly, everybody wants to talk with Sid,

495
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Speaker 2: all the media here, all the fans that the team hostess,

496
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Speaker 2: hell like, that's who they're here to see. But by far,

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: I see that Carl hagelwoods around. I would take him

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Speaker 3: in the bottom six right now.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy? Yeah, could they ever use him? Nick Benino

501
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Speaker 2: behind the bench. Those two guys were once part of

502
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: a pretty nice line, as I recall, So yes, I

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Speaker 2: couldn't agree more. Uh.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned on Nashville is not a very good team,

505
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Speaker 3: and they're not. I thought when they got Stamcos and

506
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Speaker 3: Marchiso a couple of years back that that could put

507
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Speaker 3: him over the top of Barry Trotz as a GM

508
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: isn't nearly as good as Barry trots the coach. And

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Speaker 3: that said, you've got to get at least three points

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Speaker 3: from this trip to Sweden, because the Penguins have been

511
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Speaker 3: traded sludge lately, not collapsing, but but dropping more points

512
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Speaker 3: than they're collecting. These town conference sucks, but it's tight.

513
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Speaker 3: You need points. You need to think about points all

514
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Speaker 3: the time when you're in a precarious peripheral situation like

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Speaker 3: the Penguins are.

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Speaker 2: No, no question, Nashville is not very good. They're one

517
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Speaker 2: of the worst teams in the league. I would agree

518
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: the Penguins do need three out of four points over here.

519
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: And when I look at their schedule, they have a

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Speaker 2: pretty soft schedule for the next couple of weeks. I

521
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: know they've got home to Buffalo the night before Thanksgiving

522
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: home to Seattle the next weekend. They're not very good,

523
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Speaker 2: like there's a lot of really winnable games. I bring

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Speaker 2: that up because the Penguin schedule in December is an

525
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Speaker 2: absolute nightmare. They've brought trips to Tampa, Dallas, Toronto, Montreal,

526
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Speaker 2: Autowa where they never win. Really really hard schedule then,

527
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Speaker 2: so I think it's important for the Penguins to make

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Speaker 2: some hay in November with this fairly light schedule that

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Speaker 2: they have, and that starts with getting at least three

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Speaker 2: points this weekend, because obviously they're not in a tailspin,

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Speaker 2: but they haven't played as well the last week.

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Speaker 3: I look at those Eastern Conference standings, which are packed

533
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 3: tight from one through sixteen, and I look at some

534
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Speaker 3: of the teams I thought would be good to suck,

535
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: some teams I thought would suck that are good.

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Speaker 1: And I have no.

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Speaker 3: Idea who's gonna wind up in the eight playoff spots

538
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Speaker 3: the season's end. But one thing I do tell the

539
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: Rangers stink in Toronto stinks, and I'm not sure either

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Speaker 3: is going to get a ton better.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, and I'm kind of interested in Washington too.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they stink, but I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: nearly as good as they were last year.

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Speaker 3: I think they ran out of gas this year like

545
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: we thought they would last year, and the ode chase

546
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: of Gretzky adrenalized them.

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Speaker 2: And oh we God blesshom He's accomplished everything there is

548
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Speaker 2: to accomplish. He doesn't look like the same player this

549
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: year either, But you're right that at the bottom of

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00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: the standings, though nobody in the East is truly terrible.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the Penguins are one five game losing

552
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: Stirk away from being at the bottom of the conference.

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Speaker 2: That that's how tight things are right now, and that's

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Speaker 2: why every point does matter. And it seems like every

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00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: single game is a three point game right now. I've

556
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Speaker 2: ever seen anything like it.

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Speaker 1: What's happened with Toronto.

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Speaker 3: My theory there is that Mitch Marner was their best

559
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Speaker 3: player and didn't know what Dili was gone.

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Speaker 2: Well, they thought they could just let a guy go

561
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Speaker 2: who gets one hundred points every year and who a

562
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: great penalty killer. How many guys in the league can really.

563
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Speaker 1: Do thatch and probably made Matthews.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean exactly, so they let him go. You know,

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Speaker 2: you don't replace him. That that's a real problem as

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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. And just from seeing the Maple

567
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Speaker 2: Leafs in person, boy are they slow. And that's one

568
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Speaker 2: of the slowest teams in the National Hockey League. You

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Speaker 2: can't win in twenty twenty five when you're slow. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they won't recover, but I don't like

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Speaker 2: the looks of that team. I don't think it's any

572
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Speaker 2: lock that they're a playoff team, quite honestly, and old

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Speaker 2: Boy with a fallout in Toronto be something else if

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Speaker 2: that happens.

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Speaker 1: What about the Rangers.

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Speaker 3: I know Drewelry is not a good GM and I

577
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Speaker 3: think he'll have the axe fall on him first. But

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Speaker 3: Sully looks like a real bad fit there. Looks like

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Speaker 3: these guys just aren't buying in.

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Speaker 2: I would agree. I'm speaking of teams that look slow

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Speaker 2: it to the Rangers. They're also one of the older

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Speaker 2: teams in the league. They've got a lot of guys

583
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Speaker 2: in their thirties, more than people realize. I'm not so

584
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Speaker 2: sure their window hasn't already passed. And I agree it

585
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: doesn't look like they're buying into what he's selling them.

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00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: That is a notoriously difficult locker room to deal with. Now.

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Speaker 2: One of Sully's strengths has always been dealing with difficult personalities.

588
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: Till Kesse will probably be in the ultimate example, though

589
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we're talking had something to do with that.

590
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: Sally can usually deal with big egos and get the

591
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Speaker 2: most out of them. He's not doing that in New

592
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Speaker 2: York right now, and then they played a little better lately.

593
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're still right in the thick of things,

594
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Speaker 2: but when you're talking about the eye tests, they fail

595
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Speaker 2: just about as bad as anybody in the East. Right now.

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Speaker 2: I really don't think they're a playoff team. I don't

597
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Speaker 2: discount them because of Shasturkin, as great as he is,

598
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Speaker 2: but I really don't like the looks of that team

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 1: Did any Penguins go to the Abbey Museum any players?

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Speaker 2: I didn't see any there, but I've been told Saturday

602
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Speaker 2: might be a possibility, and I'm gonna I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: a chat with the captain tomorrow and let him know

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Speaker 2: that he needs to go if he hasn't yet. I

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Speaker 2: know he loves Sweden, but if you're going to enjoy

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Speaker 2: the Swedish experience, I don't know how you don't go

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Speaker 2: to the museum at least once.

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Speaker 3: Anybody who doesn't go given the chances from Jerkwater, Canada

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00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: or wherever, and has no culture. What's what's the food

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Speaker 3: like there? The only Swedish food I've had is Swedish fish.

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Speaker 2: The food's pretty terrible, actually, I will say the breakfast

612
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: food is magnificent, best pancakes I've ever had. The pastries

613
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: are great, the cinnamon rolls are great. Goes decidedly downhill

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Speaker 2: after that. They do pizza better than you might think.

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Speaker 2: The pizza in Italian is kind of a safe way

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Speaker 2: to go here. The actual traditional Swedish food, I can't

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Speaker 2: say is all that great.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's two things I would recommend.

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Speaker 3: The alcoholic beverage Glug and I'm not sure what's in it,

620
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Speaker 3: but a friend of mine I knew from hockey in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: His dad was a former professional player in Sweden. He

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Speaker 3: made glug and to put me on my ass a

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Speaker 3: bunch of times. Also, reindeer steak.

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Speaker 2: Reindeer steak. Well, I'm here for a few more days,

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Speaker 2: so I will be trying out reindeer steak after I

626
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Speaker 2: go back to the Adam Museum once again.

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Speaker 3: If it comes down to Santa delivering the toys or

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Speaker 3: me having a reindeer steak, break out the a one.

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Speaker 1: Josh, good stuff, enjoyce Sweden, all right, see you Mark.

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Speaker 3: That's Josh Hooey from the Athletic. We got Jim Florentine

631
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: at the top of the hour, the great comedian. He

632
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: has two shows locally over the weekend. Don't forget the

633
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: River Hounds are in the Eastern Conference Final. That's at

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00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: Heimark Stadium in Station Square on Saturday, and we have

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Speaker 3: Luke Biassi from the Hounds joining us in the five

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Speaker 3: o'clock hour.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mark Madden one oh five nine. It's The Woody

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Speaker 1: Show weekday mornings at six.

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Speaker 6: Of course, X Music on one The X The Long

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Speaker 6: Goodbye