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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in Tony Pikes, Sincy three point sixty

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Speaker 2: Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Olmore.

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Speaker 2: No Tony today, the big fella out for Martin Luther

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Speaker 2: King Day. But I am here and wishing you a

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Speaker 2: happy Martin Luther King Junior Day. As many people across

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Speaker 2: the country have the day off, Come on in, stay awhile.

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Speaker 2: It's warm in here. You know me, I'm not the

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Speaker 2: type of person to complain about the cold. I never

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Speaker 2: complain about the cold. I like the cold. I'm a

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Speaker 2: polar bear. I love the cold. It's freaking cold out

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Speaker 2: there today. That wind is painful and it's gonna get worse,

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Speaker 2: and it's gusty and it's nasty, and the windshill and

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Speaker 2: the feels like temperature all that stuff. Thankfully, that's not

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Speaker 2: a problem in here. No guests scheduled today, just you,

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Speaker 2: just me, just us together talking about out a lot.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to get to that happened over the weekend, obviously,

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Speaker 2: the NFL playoffs and everything going on in that part

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Speaker 2: of the world. Reds Fest was over the weekend a

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Speaker 2: Reds Fest with great turnout and a lot of great information,

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Speaker 2: some interesting tidbits about the way that this team will

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Speaker 2: shape up as we are now under seventy days until

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Speaker 2: opening day. There's a little bit of drama about Ellie

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Speaker 2: de la Cruz and a contract extension that he was offered.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that coming up. You're gonna hear from

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Speaker 2: Terry Francona, You're gonna hear from Brandon Williamson, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: hear from Matt McClain. I went through and scrubbed through

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Speaker 2: all of Lance mccallister's interviews at Redsfest and grabbed a

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Speaker 2: few minutes of each that I thought were really good,

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Speaker 2: and Lance did a great job on seven hundred WLW

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Speaker 2: on Friday night. It's one of my favorite broadcasts of

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Speaker 2: the year to listen to because you really just get

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Speaker 2: these players or these coaches in a relaxed manner and

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Speaker 2: with a hopeful mindset, and you kind of catch up

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Speaker 2: through the offseason and what they've been working on. And

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Speaker 2: there was so much good stuff that I pulled a

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Speaker 2: few minutes from several of the interviews, most notably Francona

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Speaker 2: and McClain. And there's a little bit of Brandon Williamson

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Speaker 2: as well. Tj antone friend of the show, is writing

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Speaker 2: a book and he talked about that. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: all of that coming up in our number three. This

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Speaker 2: is turning out to be a really really interesting offseason

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Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Reds, and whether or not they make

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Speaker 2: a move between now an Opening Day remains to be seen.

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Speaker 2: But I'm trying to figure out how they're going to

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Speaker 2: put all the pieces to the puzzle together, and with

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Speaker 2: sixty five or sixty seven days or whatever it is

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Speaker 2: between now and opening Day, I still think there's going

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Speaker 2: to have to be at least one move made to

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Speaker 2: try to figure out exactly what that's going to look

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Speaker 2: like if this ball club has any hope of being competitive.

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Speaker 2: We'll get in to a lot of Red's conversation, but first,

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Speaker 2: as we always do in segment number one, we will

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Speaker 2: recap what happened over the weekend. Let's start with college basketball.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long time coming, been waiting for the

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Speaker 2: big win for the Cincinnati Bearcats, and they got it

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Speaker 2: knocked off Number two Iowa State seventy nine to seventy

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Speaker 2: State has lost two straight games, and that was a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge win for Wes Miller and the Bearcats. You'll hear

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Speaker 2: from him coming up in segment number two. Xavier was

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Speaker 2: idle over the weekend. NKU lost in overtime to Robert

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Speaker 2: Morris ninety two eighty nine, KU now fourteen and seven

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Speaker 2: on the season. You might remember Robert Morris was one

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Speaker 2: of those teams that was caught up in that point

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Speaker 2: shaving scandal with college basketball, and apparently the first time

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Speaker 2: they played in KU, they had players throwing the first half. Well,

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Speaker 2: this time they were able to edge out the Norse

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Speaker 2: a three to win at Malette Hall. That was some

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Speaker 2: highly entertaining basketball. Also highly entertaining basketball was the basketball

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Speaker 2: ot Ohio State played over the weekend. They smoked Mick

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Speaker 2: The Buckeyes are now twelve and five on the year,

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Speaker 2: and Kentucky came from behind once again to knockoff number

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Speaker 2: twenty four Tennessee eighty to seventy eight. That's three straight

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Speaker 2: There is one other local team that I didn't even

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Speaker 2: basketball correspondent, Drew wester Heidi would be produce the show today.

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Speaker 2: So Drew tell us what did the Flyers do over

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Speaker 2: the weekend? How do they where do they currently stand?

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Speaker 3: Well? The Flyers debuted their new stealth black uniforms with

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Speaker 3: they beat him seventy eight to fifty one. Oh so

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Speaker 3: fun had fun was had at the arena on Friday

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Speaker 3: night that the standalone Friday Night eight ten games have

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Speaker 2: I believe I saw you were at the game, Is

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Speaker 2: that correct?

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Speaker 3: I was and enjoyed the game with my lovely girlfriend

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Speaker 3: and her first time being there so.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, so she got to see you like in

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Speaker 2: full effect where you like a lunatic at games.

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Speaker 2: Me, it's worse.

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Speaker 3: It's worse when I'm like at home, okay, and I'm

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Speaker 3: the craziest I get when I watch Dayton is when

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Speaker 3: they you know, they've kind of been beaten up on

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Speaker 3: at the end of the month. That's when we'll really

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll go back to Drew for anything

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Speaker 2: breaking news when it comes to Dayton. We'll obviously check

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Speaker 2: by the way, if you missed it, Tony was tweeting

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Speaker 2: out live shots of Mayso over the weekend and his

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Speaker 2: and it is absolutely hilarious. You want to talk about

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Speaker 2: somebody being a psychopath in an arena. Our friend Maso

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Speaker 2: was losing his mind in the Iowa State game. Here's

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Speaker 2: the schedule coming up this week. You see is at

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Speaker 2: you get the point. NFL news this morning, the Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills have fired head coach Sean McDermott. Nine seasons, Sean

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Speaker 2: McDermott was in Buffalo and he just wasn't able to

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. But after another loss over the weekend, the

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Speaker 2: Bills are parting ways with Sean McDermott and promoting general

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Speaker 2: manager Brandon Bean to not only general manager but director

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Speaker 2: don't feel like that's the right move. There have been

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Speaker 2: and point the finger more at Brandon Bean than Sean

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Speaker 2: at some point, what can we learn, if anything, about

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Speaker 2: the firing of Sean McDermott in Buffalo. That is the

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Speaker 2: tenth coach to be fired this year. That's the most

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Speaker 2: since the twenty coaching cycle. There have been two vacancies filled.

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Speaker 2: John Harball to the Giants, and over the weekend, former

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Brown's head coach Kevin Stefanski is now going to

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Speaker 2: be the new head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. I've

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Speaker 2: always thought that was a really good fit for Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 2: A good offensive mind. You've got ready made weapons ready

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Speaker 2: good pieces on defense. The Falcons have retained Jeff Albrick,

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Speaker 2: you appreciate this as a Browns fan. Jeff Albrick's son

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Speaker 2: him and Kevin Stefanski's team. I don't think Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 3: That feels like it happened five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel like so long? I guess speaking up

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Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers. Bengals news this morning, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: reached a one year contract extension with tight end Tanner Hudson.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those lay up moves. Everybody expected

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Speaker 2: it to happen. Tanner Hudson is a favorite of the

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks on the roster and certainly close with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Borrow has vouched for him many times, and I saw

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Speaker 2: this stat from Paul Dayner Junior, who said over the

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Speaker 2: last three years, Tanner Hudson leads the team in success

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Speaker 2: percentage per route against zone coverage. Now, obviously he doesn't

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Speaker 2: he's having success against zone coverage. The Bengals see a

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Speaker 2: lot of zone coverage. That percentage, by the way, seventeen

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Speaker 2: the tight end position in Hudson as a member of

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Speaker 2: that team, that a valuable member of the team that

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Speaker 2: they want to retain. He gets a one year extension

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Speaker 2: from the Bengals NFL. Over the weekend, Broncos beat the

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Speaker 2: Bills but lost Bo Knicks. It was kind of weird.

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Speaker 2: Bo Knicks does the postgame interview after Denver beats Buffalo

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Speaker 2: and isn't really happy and isn't really showing much emotion,

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Speaker 2: and he's asked by Tracy Wolfson and he just said

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Speaker 2: it was an intense game, and YadA, YadA, YadA, And

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Speaker 2: having surgery tomorrow by the same doctor that performed Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow's turf toe surgery earlier this year. Bo Nick's season

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Speaker 7: The UC Bearcats have knocked off the number two team

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Speaker 8: These Bearcats, they deserve it all.

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Speaker 6: For the second time this year, Cincinnati's fans storm either

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Speaker 2: The Great Dan Hord on the call alongside Terry Nelson

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Speaker 2: on Saturday on seven hundred WLW. That is our wind

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Speaker 2: nothing better than Dan Hord. I had the chance to

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Speaker 2: they came out and for the most part, dominated the

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Speaker 2: number two team in the country, and he deserves a

433
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Speaker 2: lot of credit for instead of continuing to turn the

434
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Speaker 2: noise up and make the noise louder, they kind of

435
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: insulated themselves, quieted the noise, and came out and played

436
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: a complete basketball game, And he deserves credit for that.

437
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: If you want to be critical of him for all

438
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Speaker 2: the different stuff that may have happened over the course

439
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Speaker 2: of his tenure and certainly this season, that's totally fair

440
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Speaker 2: and I'm all for that, but I think you should

441
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Speaker 2: also be willing to give him some credit for in

442
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Speaker 2: the midst of a season like this and all the

443
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Speaker 2: stuff that's been going on, for them to show up

444
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Speaker 2: and play the way that they did, I think West

445
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Speaker 2: deserves a lot of credit for that. Like I said,

446
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Speaker 2: they are on the road Wednesday at number one Arizona.

447
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Speaker 2: That is a nine pm tip off down the dial

448
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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW. Bearcats are ten and eight now

449
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Speaker 2: on the season, two and three in the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 2: They are ahead of Baylor, TCU, Arizona State, Utah, and

451
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Speaker 2: Kansas State in the Big Twelve. Just ahead of them Colorado. Actually,

452
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Speaker 2: Colorado and Oklahoma State both have the same conference record

453
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Speaker 2: of two and three, and right above them West Virginia

454
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Speaker 2: at three and two. For Cincinnati final few next few,

455
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Speaker 2: they're gonna be at Arizona, at Arizona State, then back

456
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Speaker 2: home against Baylor, and then at number seven Houston. You

457
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Speaker 2: know I made fun of Tony over the weekend. I

458
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Speaker 2: don't know if you saw it at Audiellmore and at

459
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Speaker 2: Tony Underscore Pike fifteen. Tony tweeted out in the morning,

460
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Speaker 2: what if the Bearcats take care of business today? And

461
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: so I had the AI machine just dial up a

462
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Speaker 2: picture of Tony in a superhero costume that gave him

463
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Speaker 2: the name if Man. Now, if you follow Los Angeles

464
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Speaker 2: Charger football at all, and in some corners of the

465
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Speaker 2: Twitter universe Bengals football, they call Justin Herbert and Joe

466
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Speaker 2: Burrow if Man because if they had an offensive line,

467
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Speaker 2: or if they had a coach, or if they had

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Speaker 2: a defense, they would do so much. So I did

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Speaker 2: that just kind of making fun of Tony, And I'll

470
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Speaker 2: be damned if if Man didn't show up and they

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Speaker 2: got a big victory. So I'm sure Tony will be

472
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Speaker 2: tweeting the same thing coming up Wednesday night. What if

473
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Speaker 2: he's got.

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Speaker 3: Our kats, he's got to tweet the if Man costume

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Speaker 3: before every game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does, he really does. Like what if they

477
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Speaker 2: take care of business? And honest to god, what if

478
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Speaker 2: they knock off number two at number one back to back.

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Speaker 3: I've been looking, you know. The net ranking is a

480
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Speaker 3: good metric to look at, of course, where everyone stands.

481
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Speaker 3: U S jumped up fifteen spots, wow, from eighty six

482
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Speaker 3: to seventy one after one and they have gone up

483
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Speaker 3: an additional spot since due to other results. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: you win. So Iowa State is now ten in the NET.

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Speaker 3: I do not know what they were going into the matchup.

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Speaker 3: Arizona is the number one team in the country by

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Speaker 3: the AP pole. They are number three in the NET.

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Speaker 3: So if you win a game at number three Arizona,

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Speaker 3: you're probably looking at another thirteen to sixteen spot jump.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about Houston? Where's Houston at.

491
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Speaker 3: Houston is nine? Okay, So that is what's frustrating about,

492
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Speaker 3: you know, and I completely understand you see fans frustrations.

493
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Speaker 3: They lost to Houston by seven in a game they

494
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Speaker 3: were leading for much of it. They lose A West

495
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Speaker 3: Virginia on the road by two, and U sef by

496
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Speaker 3: one one on the road. All three of those are

497
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Speaker 3: Quad one opportunities or the best you know, if you

498
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Speaker 3: don't know what the quad system is, the best possible

499
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Speaker 3: wins you can have metric wise. So that's three. You know,

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Speaker 3: you have three Q one wins. That on top of

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Speaker 3: the Iowa State one, you'd have four quad one wins

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Speaker 3: with many more opportunities to go. Despite the fact that

503
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Speaker 3: you lost to Eastern Michigan and some other teams, you

504
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: would still be right back into the thick of the

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Speaker 3: at large discussions. So they're not They're not out of

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Speaker 3: it by any means. It's gonna be very, very tough.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're going to do it. But I'm

508
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Speaker 3: happy for Wes Miller. I like Wes. I know he's

509
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Speaker 3: he's taken. He's taken a lot of heat rifle y,

510
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Speaker 3: so for some of the things he's done, I just

511
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Speaker 3: kind of I just kind of like the guy. And

512
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Speaker 3: you know, too, when when a program has this much,

513
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Speaker 3: as you called it, noise around them, sometimes it's nice

514
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Speaker 3: just to get a big win and you can kind

515
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Speaker 3: of just put all that on the back burner for

516
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Speaker 3: however many days it is until you until you lace

517
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Speaker 3: them up and play against.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to have a moment where the fans get

519
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: to storm the court after all the stuff that went

520
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: on and and you know, the idea of the winning

521
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: makes believers of us all thing. We always talk about

522
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: that always, like always make sure to hammer that point

523
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: home because it's so true, like it really is. And

524
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: you know, there were some people who thought, you know,

525
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: whire Bearcat fans storming the court after what everything that

526
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: went down, and blah blah blah. There's a good chunk

527
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Speaker 2: of Bearcat fans that never were going to entertain the

528
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Speaker 2: idea of putting on a paper bag that we're still

529
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Speaker 2: showing up the games and still supporting the players. And

530
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Speaker 2: to have that moment is I think really important upcoming games.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, you talk about the Quad one opportunity.

532
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Speaker 2: They're at number one Arizona, as I've said for the

533
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Speaker 2: fourteenth time today. They are at number seven Houston on

534
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Speaker 2: the thirty first at Kansas. I know Kansas is not ranked,

535
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Speaker 2: but they're thirteen and five. They are at number fifteen

536
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: Texas Tech later on and home against BYU towards the

537
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Speaker 2: end of the schedule on March third. So that is

538
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Speaker 2: what's coming up for the East Cincinnati Bearcats. Let's switch

539
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Speaker 2: back to the NFL playoffs. It was a highly entertaining

540
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Speaker 2: and controversial weekend of NFL playoff football. Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Phone lines open five to one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. You're listening to Tony Pikes. Since he three

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Speaker 2: to sixty, I'm Austin Omore on ESPN fifteen thirty. Welcome

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00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: back in on ESPN fifteen thirty. This is Tony Pikes.

545
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: Since he three to sixty, I'm Auston Omore. Big fella

546
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: back tomorrow. I'm sure he's recovering from the big Bearcat win.

547
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, NFL playoffs happened Divisional round action, and

548
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: obviously there were consequences to what happened. It was the

549
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Speaker 2: Denver Broncos in overtime beating the Buffalo Bills thirty three

550
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Speaker 2: to thirty. It was announced this morning Bill's head coach

551
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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott has been fired. Nine years in Buffalo AFC

552
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: East titles, a couple of trips to the AFC Championship

553
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: Game obviously was there when they drafted Josh Allen. It

554
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Speaker 2: really rejuvenated that that fan base, that organization, that franchise,

555
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: however you want to look at it. I always think

556
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Speaker 2: of the way that Sean McDermott, this will be his

557
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: legacy to me, at least with Buffalo, is the way

558
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Speaker 2: he handled the tomorrow Hamlin game and all the stuff

559
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: that happened, and going back and forth with the NFL

560
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: and with his players and with Zach Taylor, and the

561
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: way that the two coaches that night, and especially Sean

562
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: handled all of that and the aftermath of that is

563
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Speaker 2: something I'll always remember when it comes to Sean McDermott.

564
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Speaker 2: But let's start with this game, because there was a

565
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: lot going on. Josh Allen was again careless and reckless

566
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: with the football and had some plays that just make

567
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: you wonder what on earth is going on. He had

568
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Speaker 2: a bad miss in the end zone that could have

569
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Speaker 2: easily won Buffalo the game and then throws the interception

570
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Speaker 2: late Drew. There's been a lot talked about with this interception.

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Speaker 2: Let me just get your thoughts first. Do you think

572
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Speaker 2: they got the call right that Allen threw an interception

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Speaker 2: in overtime?

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Speaker 3: I don't, oh, And I I thought they did until

575
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: the Bears and Rams game last night and the DeVante

576
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Speaker 3: Adams play and they ruled that one to catch him

577
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Speaker 3: down by contact and I went back and watched it,

578
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Speaker 3: and those two plays. Now, I think Adams probably had

579
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: a little more control of the ball than Brandon Cooks did,

580
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: but at the same time, like it was a very

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Speaker 3: bang bang play. And then from my you know, my

582
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: experience of watching football, it always felt like that, you know,

583
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: the tye goes to the base runner use a baseball

584
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: analogy there, you know, ty kind of goes to the offense.

585
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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't get paid enough to make

586
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: those kinds of decisions. That's just you know, that's just

587
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: my opinion. Yeah, I think retroactively more the more and

588
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: more I think about it, the more and more I

589
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: think they should have went back and taken a closer look.

590
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: And we're gonna get to the McDermot cut here in

591
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: a moment, and he kind of talks about that, but

592
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Speaker 3: I was out. I was watching without audio either, so

593
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Speaker 3: I you know, it's it's kind of hard to make

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00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: a judgment like that when you're watching it without the

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Speaker 3: game audio on. So I don't know I could. It's

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Speaker 3: it's a hard it's an impossible situation.

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Speaker 2: My take on it was that they got it right,

598
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Speaker 2: and the reason was he was still trying to complete

599
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Speaker 2: the process of the catch when his knee hit the ground,

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Speaker 2: and so I get where a lot of people are

601
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Speaker 2: coming from in the DeVante Adams thing. Adams had already

602
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: completed the process of the catch and even like to

603
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: an extent, done a football move as he tried to

604
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Speaker 2: cover up the ball, and then his knee comes down

605
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: and then it's ripped out. I think when you're still

606
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Speaker 2: trying to bring the ball in as you go to

607
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Speaker 2: the ground and the other guy still has his hands

608
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Speaker 2: on it, even when your knee hits the ground, the

609
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: ball hasn't been completed yet. Because let's say that the

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Speaker 2: defender's not there and he hits the ground and bobbles

611
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: it and loses control of it, then it's an incompletion, yes,

612
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Speaker 2: and I do think the official I think it was

613
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Carl Scheffer's who explained it, did say it the right

614
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: way and is like in this case, the defender completed

615
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: the process of the catch before the receiver did so.

616
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Either way, whoever is right. Ultimately, obviously it's a huge

617
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: play that determines the game. I think the bigger issue

618
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: here is that the NFL remains inconsistent on who exactly

619
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: is calling the shots. Now it's a turnover, so it's

620
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Speaker 2: automatically reviewed. It felt like in real time that it

621
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Speaker 2: was very quickly reviewed, to the point where Sean McDermott

622
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: calls a time out just to try to slow the

623
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Speaker 2: situation downs, like are you sure you guys won't want

624
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: to take up a longer extended look at this. And

625
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, I've talked about this on the show several times.

626
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Speaker 2: I know I've referenced Albert Breer, who's written about this.

627
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: And I think it's a major issue that there's very

628
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: little transparency from the league about who is calling the shots,

629
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Speaker 2: Like who in New York is determining this, how many

630
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: people are determining it, What are they communicating with the

631
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Speaker 2: people with the coaches, excuse me, with the coaches on

632
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: the sideline and with the officials on the field, and

633
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: there's two extra white hats in playoff games, one on

634
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: each sideline for each head coach. There's also you know,

635
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: people up in the booth, like, how is the communication

636
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: happening between all of those together, and how can you

637
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: quickly get to a point where you determine, yes, that's

638
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: the right call right there in that moment. Sean McDermott

639
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: in the post game was understandably frustrated by the way

640
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: things were handled. In what was his final postgame press

641
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: conference as a Bill's head coach. Here's Sean McDermott a

642
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: couple of minutes expressing his frustration with the call.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so obviously I don't have the power to challenge, right,

644
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 5: We're in overtime. So the flag is not uh, the

645
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 5: flag is not an option to throw it down. So

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Speaker 5: I called a time out to try and get the

647
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Speaker 5: process to slow down, because it seemed like the process

648
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Speaker 5: was not slowing down.

649
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: It was rather it was a rather.

650
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Speaker 5: Rapid unfolding of the of the review if there was

651
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Speaker 5: a review, and and so I called a time out

652
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Speaker 5: to try and slow it down. It would just it

653
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 5: would seem logical to me. It would seem logical to

654
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: me that it make a lot of sense that the

655
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Speaker 5: head official would walk over and want to go and

656
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Speaker 5: take a look at it, just to make sure that

657
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 5: everybody from here who is in the stadium to there

658
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 5: are on the same page. That's that's too big of

659
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 5: a play in my estimation, too big of a play,

660
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 5: and in a play that decided the game potentially as

661
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 5: well to not even slow it down. And that's why

662
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 5: I had to call the time out. It's not what

663
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Speaker 5: I wanted to do, but I had to do it

664
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Speaker 5: in order to make sure that I understood what was

665
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Speaker 5: going on and that they did take a look at it.

666
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Speaker 5: And it's hard for me to and I've had a

667
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 5: chance to look at it's hard for me to understand

668
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 5: why it was ruled the way.

669
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Speaker 11: It was ruled.

670
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Speaker 5: And if it is ruled that way, then why wasn't

671
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 5: it slowed down just to make sure that we have

672
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 5: this right. That would have made a lot of sense

673
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: to me to make sure that we have this thing right,

674
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: because that that's a pivotal play in the game where

675
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 5: we have the ball at the twenty, maybe kicking a

676
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: game winning field goal right there. So I'll just leave

677
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: it at that. But I'm doing I'm saying it cause

678
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 5: I'm standing up for Buffalo. I'm standing up for us,

679
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: cause what what went on is not that is not

680
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 5: how it should go down. In my estimation that that plays.

681
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 5: These guys spend three hours out there playing football, pouring

682
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 5: their guts out to not even say, hey, let's just

683
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 5: slow this thing down. That's where I That's why I'm bothered,

684
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 5: right catch, in my eyes it was, yes, in my

685
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: eyes it was. But even if it wasn't, okay, let's

686
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 5: just say it. I'm being objective. Even if it wasn't,

687
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 5: the players are owed to me, Hey, let's stop it,

688
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 5: let's slow it down. Let's put the head referee and

689
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: give him a chance to look the monitor, just to

690
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 5: make sure, just to make sure.

691
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 2: Bill's head coach Sean McDermott. And as he's talking, I'm

692
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: looking it up again and watching it and beneath it,

693
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: watching the DeVante Adams play. And now I'm convinced that

694
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: you're right, Drew after watching it again. This is maybe

695
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: what's difficult about the play, I mean, and the fact

696
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: that it happened back to back in two games. The

697
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: way that it did is obviously, you know, strange, but

698
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: it is nearly identical. I guess when you consider that

699
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: the defender for the Bills or the Bears did have

700
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: his hands on the ball and was ripping it out,

701
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: it's just so bang bang. But there is a lot

702
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: lack of transparency, Like even if you look at some

703
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: of these other leagues, like the spring leagues that have

704
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: popped up, and they take you inside the replay room,

705
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: you can hear them discussing it. You can see the angles,

706
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: like in the if you go to an NFL game

707
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: and there's a play that's being reviewed coaches challenged, they'll

708
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: put it up on the video board. What exactly the

709
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: official is watching? Why doesn't that happen on television? Why

710
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: it didn't happen in this sense, even though it wasn't

711
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: officially a challenge, I don't quite understand. It was just

712
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: amazing to me that it continues to be amazing to

713
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: me that there is a lack of transparency about the process.

714
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: And it's also concerning, and I'm not blaming everything on gambling,

715
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: but when you have situations like what you just saw

716
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 2: in college basketball with what we've seen repeatedly across Major

717
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: League Baseball when you are in bed with the gambling

718
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: companies as an NFL, as a league like the NFL

719
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: is to have very little transparency about the biggest impact

720
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: on the results and outcomes of games. I think it's

721
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: a slippery slope for the NFL. And I've heard that

722
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell sees it as a PR problem and not

723
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: a competition problem, not a football problem, and I think

724
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: that needs to change from the NFL commissioner. I just

725
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: think it's bigger and more important than just bad PR.

726
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: And I guess in one way of looking at it,

727
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: we're sitting here talking about it and still talking about

728
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: it and still talking about it. But that's a bad

729
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: thing more than it's a good thing.

730
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. And my thing with you know you brought up

731
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: how you know some leagues I think it was the

732
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: Big twelve in football, they like bring you in on

733
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: the broadcast to what the referee's looking at. Well, you

734
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: have you know, Gene's territory for CBS and you know

735
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: whoever the other like rules analysts are why can't the

736
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: rules analyst have the same feed that the referee is

737
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: looking at? And that way the isn't like he can

738
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: be focused on one thing and one thing alone. But meanwhile,

739
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 3: like gene Sterotor can be looking at the exact same thing,

740
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, when they change the angle, then Gene sees

741
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: the angle change and g can go, okay, look, we're

742
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: looking at this angle. Now, we're trying to see if

743
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: you maintained possession of the ball. We're trying to see

744
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: where possession, you know, changed hands. Then it changes to

745
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: another angle, and then he goes all right, now he's

746
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: probably looking for X, Y and Z, Like why can't

747
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: we make the rules guys like a little more effective

748
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: as opposed to oh yeah, you know, looking just at

749
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: the TV replays that they have available to them, as

750
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: opposed to seeing exactly what the referee is looking at

751
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: and breaking down why the referee is looking at this

752
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 3: particular angle and what he's looking for out of this

753
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: particular angle.

754
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Speaker 2: And now I'm looking at a different angle of the

755
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks play and I think it's an interception clearly.

756
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: Well it's funny because it was like, it doesn't matter

757
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: if it's the Russell york On ESPN or Russell yorke

758
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: On ESPN or Gene Sterotor or Dean Blandino or Mike Pereira.

759
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: You can ask all those guys and they each have

760
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: a different opinion.

761
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: Right, Well, well, the funny thing is is that, like

762
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: I said, I thought it was a catch. I was

763
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: not like steadfast in my argument there. When you started

764
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: laying out the reasons why you thought it was an interception,

765
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: I was going, yeah, yeah, you might be right. Yeah,

766
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: you know, now I'm kind of starting to go back

767
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: towards the yeah, maybe it was an interception. Then you're like, well,

768
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: actually I thought it was a catch.

769
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: And for the you know, and this is what it's

770
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: like for the refs, right, and they have to make

771
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: that decision very quick.

772
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: That I do not envy them, like, especially with a

773
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: play like that, man like that is not clear cut,

774
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: that is not black and white there, that's a lot

775
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: of interpretation of the rules for an individual official in

776
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: his crew. So I do not envy them on that front.

777
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: I also do not envy Josh Allen. I'm not a

778
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: Josh Allen hater. Like I like Josh. I think he's

779
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: an interesting guy. I think he's a really good guy.

780
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 2: If you watched the Buffalo Bills on Hard Knocks last year,

781
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: It's easy to see why people love that guy, and

782
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: I think he's an easy guy to root for. Obvious.

783
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: I don't want the Bills to win a Super Bowl,

784
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: and I think there's still a little bit of a

785
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: rivalry between the Bengals and the Bills. But you know,

786
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: there's times when we can forget that these dudes are

787
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: human and this stuff matters to them. And Josh Allen

788
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: was extremely emotional in the postgame press conference after losing

789
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: to the Denver Broncos. Take a listen to Josh Allen.

790
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 12: It's extremely difficult.

791
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 13: I feel like I yeah, I feel like I let

792
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 13: my let my teammates down tonight. I just missed opportunities

793
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 13: throughout the game. It's my long season. I hate how

794
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 13: it ended, and that's uh, it's gonna stick with me

795
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 13: for a long time. Yeah, can win the five turnovers.

796
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 13: I fumbled twies through two picks. When you shoot yourself

797
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 13: in the foot like that, you don't deserve it.

798
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: Won football games, Josh Allen. Yeah, and it felt like

799
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: early in his career, Josh Allen with the recklessness, the

800
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: way that he was going it was handling the football.

801
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: I know we're running out of time on this but

802
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you know, since twenty nineteen, they've been ten

803
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: and six, thirteen and three, eleven and six, thirteen and three,

804
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: eleven and six, thirteen and four, twelve and five. They've

805
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: lost two conference championships, They've lost the division round four times,

806
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: divisional round four times, and the wild card once. Winning

807
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: is hard man in this league and in this division

808
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: or in this conference, it is difficult. And I'm sure

809
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: Allen feels all the pressure and felt all the pressure

810
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: of Hey, Burrow's not here, Jackson's not here, Mahomes isn't here,

811
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: this is your chance and it didn't happen, And I do,

812
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: you know, feel bad for him in that sense, Josh

813
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: Allen O and seven in overtime. I'm sure that's part

814
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: of the reason why Sean McDermott is no longer his

815
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: head coach. We'll talk a little bit more about that

816
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: when we come back. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. A

817
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: lot of Bengals fans see the Sean McDermott news and

818
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: ask themselves, why are we running it back with Zach

819
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Taylor still? And I do think the theme of the

820
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: offseason has already been established by the Bengals and that

821
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: is continuity. And while I don't know that, I entirely

822
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: buy that it is more feasible based off of the

823
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: way that the rest of the AFC is operating right now.

824
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: Obviously the AFC North, every single team is going to

825
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: be looking for a new head coach. Buffalo is going

826
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: to be looking for a new head coach. The Chargers

827
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: have fired coordinators. The Texans may be firing coordinators. Just

828
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: across the you know, the Tennessee Titans are looking for

829
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: a new head coach. Like there's going to be a

830
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: lot of change. The Chiefs are looking for a new

831
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. There's gonna be a lot of change in

832
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: the conference this offseason. There is something I think to

833
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: be said about the value of continuity with the coaching staff. Now,

834
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: we don't know. Dan Pitcher could end up being the

835
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: coach of the Browns and that could throw the Bengals

836
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: for a loop. We'll see. I don't know if that's

837
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: gonna happen, but I do think this is an advantage

838
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: and I think if you're a Bengals fan that really

839
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: truly wants the team to win, you can appreciate that

840
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: continuity in the sense of the coaching staff is an advantage.

841
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: It also can be used as Okay, you, this can't

842
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: be an excuse if you get beaten by teams in

843
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: the AFC North, or if you don't win the division,

844
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: or if you get embarrassed by one of these teams

845
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: or a first year head coach, or if you missed

846
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs again on down the line, that's something that

847
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: works against you into defensible is what I'm trying to say,

848
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: Like it's ammunition for if you fail again, you shouldn't

849
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: be here. And I've said it many times. I think

850
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: this is a make or break year for Zach and

851
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: his staff for a myriad of reasons. And especially if

852
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: you're going to point to continuity to being a huge

853
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: reason why you believe in the success of this team

854
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: in the future, Okay, well you better not screw it

855
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: up then, because there's a bunch of teams in the

856
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: NFL that don't have continuity. And if they're better than you,

857
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: and if they beat you, and if they find a

858
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: way to whatever it is, if they find a way

859
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: to out coach or out scheme or out physical or

860
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: whatever it might be the Cincinnati Bengals, that works against

861
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: you and I'm already sick of the idea of continuity.

862
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about the NFL playoffs coming up in

863
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: just a little bit, but I want to switch gears

864
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: to some Reds because there was some somewhat big news

865
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: that came out over the week weekend that Elie de

866
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: la Cruz had declined a contract extension that was offered

867
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: to him by the Reds. Let's talk about that next.

868
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: This is Tony Pike's since E three to sixty on

869
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Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since E three sixty about Cincinnati.

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00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: From Cincinnati, this is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two of Tony Pikes

873
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: Sincy three to sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My

874
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: name is Austin Elmore. With you until three o'clock today.

875
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: Coming up in about fifteen minutes from right now is

876
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: your talkbacks. If you haven't left a talk back yet,

877
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: you still have plenty of time to get one in.

878
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: Just go to the iHeartRadio app, tap that little microphone

879
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: next to the play button on ESPN fifteen thirty screen

880
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: and leave us a thirty second message. We'll play it

881
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: coming up in the next segment of the show. It is,

882
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: of course, the fan fait favorite segment of the show. Talkbacks.

883
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, Reds Fest returned to the Duke Energy

884
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: Convention Center Downtown. Been gone for two years due to

885
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: the renovations to the Duke Energy Convention Center, and I

886
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: was curious to see what it would be like, and

887
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: thankfully I had an opportunity to go on Friday and

888
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: check it out. And I've said this before, I said

889
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: this on the air if there's if no other reason

890
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: to go. They have a booth there where they sell

891
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: all the team issued stuff that didn't get used instill

892
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: in the packaging at like fifty percent off. And so

893
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: that's why I go every year because you can get

894
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: some amazing stuff. I got this unbelievable Nike pullover that

895
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 2: has like the Reds wishbone c on it, but there's

896
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: no black drop shadow, so it almost looks retro. I

897
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: don't know if it was a misprint or what. I

898
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: never saw anybody wear this by the Reds and things

899
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: like hundred bucks got it for fifty I mean, I'm

900
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: all over that hats shorts, t shirts, pullovers, like everything

901
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: you can imagine. I love going for that reason. But

902
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: you also get to see some players, and you get

903
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: to hear from Francona and Brad Metter and Nick Krawl,

904
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: and it's a cool event. And it's obviously that it's

905
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: huge for kids and all the different autographs and all

906
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: that stuff. But they were able to get so many

907
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: of the players there and so many so many like

908
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: stories have started to come out about what's going on

909
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: this offseason, and you'll hear some of those in hour three.

910
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to play a few of Lance's interviews, but

911
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: there was one that came out by Nick Krawl. So

912
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: they do like the Hot Stove Report, and they do

913
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Q and a's with Nick Krawl and listen. As much

914
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: as I have beat up on Nick Krawl for my

915
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: lack of faith and his ability to build considering the

916
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: parameters around him and his plan, which I still hold

917
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: those beliefs, I do appreciate that Nick Krawl is not

918
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: afraid to get up there and answer and give his

919
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: thoughts and try to explain his process and his reasoning.

920
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: We may not always like the answers, but the guy's

921
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: not afraid to go out there and answer questions, and

922
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: I give him a lot of credit for that. And

923
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: at some point this weekend he was asked about the

924
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: possibility of an extension with Elie de la Cruz, and

925
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: Nick Kral said that they offered him an extension last

926
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 2: spring that would have made him the highest paid read ever,

927
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: highest paid read ever. That means it would have surpassed

928
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: Joey Vado's ten year, two hundred and twenty five million

929
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: dollar contract that he signed after winning the NLMVP Award

930
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. And my first thought is, well, no kidding,

931
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: of course, of course you would. He's number one, that

932
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: was fifteen years ago money and things have changed quite

933
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: a bit. And number two, he's a chance to be

934
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: the face of your franchise and a building block that

935
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: you would build around. And of course you're going to

936
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 2: offer him extensions as early as possible to try to

937
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: get him on the books. And if you remember, they

938
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: locked down Hunter Green really early. He offered a pretty

939
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: big extension to Matt McClain prior to last season that

940
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: McLain did not take, And of course they would ask

941
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: Elie de la Cruz why he turned it down and

942
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: why people are surprised by that or upset by that.

943
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily understand. I think the way Crawl worded

944
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: it was a bit of a spin, a little bit

945
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: of a pr spin, as if to say, yeah, look,

946
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: we're trying, Like hell, we offered him a ton of money.

947
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: If he offered him two hundred and twenty six million dollars,

948
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: that would beat Joey Vado, And it would not be

949
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: enough for a guy like Ellie de la Cruz, even

950
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: if you consider the the way that money has changed,

951
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: or inflation or the growth of however you want to

952
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: look at it. Still two hundred and twenty five in

953
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: today's money is like three hundred and fifteen, three hundred

954
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: and sixteen, three hundred and seventeen. Still not enough for

955
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: a guy like Ellie de la Cruz. And while you

956
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: might be saying well, based off his performance, it is

957
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: and I might agree with you on that, the biggest

958
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: and most important piece of this puzzle is that Scott

959
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: Boris is his agent. Now, what I think is interesting

960
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: is the Reds offered Matt McClain that big extension and

961
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: he turned it down. Matt McLain has fired Scott Boris.

962
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: He's no longer represented by Scott Boris, and we talked

963
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: about his antics at the MLB Winter Meetings and this

964
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: choke hold he seems to have over some of the

965
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: top players in baseball and teams and he's just a

966
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: strange cat. But his players get paid, and they get

967
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 2: paid a lot of money. Boris clients almost always make

968
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 2: out like bandits. And so when you look like Ellie

969
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: de la Cruz looks at a team like the Dodgers

970
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: or the Mets, or maybe down the line, the Red

971
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: Sox or the Yankees, and the way that those teams

972
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: have historically spent a ton of money, maybe even the

973
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants spent a ton of money to try

974
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: to bring in the best players. They're not afraid to

975
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 2: get creative, they're not afraid to defer the money. Why

976
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: would you want to sign a deal here if you

977
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: know you'll they'll never get to that number. If you

978
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: have a chance to go somewhere else and make an

979
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: ungodly amount of money, why would you want to sign here.

980
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: So the point I'm trying to make is, yes, they

981
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: may have offered him a deal that made him the

982
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: highest paid Red ever, but that still may not be

983
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: anything remotely close to what he could get on the

984
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: open market. Now he's about to be arbitration eligible and

985
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: he's going to get a huge raise, and I'm sure

986
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: the Reds wanted to avoid all that and make it

987
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 2: all make sense for them down the line, and good

988
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: for them for trying. But I can't blame Ellie de

989
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: la Cruz for saying no thanks. I can't blame Scott

990
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: Boris for saying no thanks. Now, even if Ellie really

991
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: really wanted to be here, I would still probably wait.

992
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: If I were him, I would still say, Okay, let's

993
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: see how this year plays out, and then we'll get

994
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty seven, and who knows what happens with

995
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: the lockout and blah blah blah blah blah. But the

996
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: money's going to keep going up, So I don't blame

997
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: him for saying nah. And as much as we would

998
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: like there to be this belief that they're this hit,

999
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 2: this historic organization with a rich history to young people

1000
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: like Elie de la Cruz, they are a largely irrelevant franchise.

1001
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: Most of the young players in Major League Baseball today

1002
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: don't know anything about the Reds of the seventies and

1003
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 2: they don't know anything about the Wire to Wire Reds.

1004
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: Those teams were thirty plus and fifty plus years ago.

1005
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: For the vast majority of the last thirty years, it

1006
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: has been a losing, irrelevant, small market franchise. And so

1007
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: there is no Oh, I got to stick around and

1008
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: be in Cincinnati. I love Cincinnati and the fans just

1009
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: love the baseball here, and it's a really rich history

1010
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: of baseball that doesn't exist for a lot of young

1011
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: players anymore. The Reds aren't sought or thought of or

1012
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: or highly sought after in terms of a rich history

1013
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: in a tradition of winning baseball. It's not like every

1014
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: single night at Great American Ballpark is sold out. There

1015
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: is a group in charge that has frequently spent less

1016
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: money than they could and really hasn't won much at

1017
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 2: all since they've been in charge. So number one, he's

1018
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 2: a Scott Boris client, and Scott Boris clients don't sign

1019
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: early extensions and don't sign it for more than they're worth.

1020
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: And number two, there's not a lot to hang your

1021
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: hat on if you're the Reds and a reason to

1022
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: stick around and be here. The Reds, as we mentioned

1023
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: a lot over the last couple of years, never hardly

1024
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: ever play in nationally televised games, and then that's going

1025
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: to change a little bit with the MLBtv deal changing.

1026
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: But they never play on nationally televised games. There are

1027
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: one of the smallest markets in Major League Baseball, they

1028
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: don't have a history of winning over the last thirty years,

1029
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: and they don't sign big players. Why if you're Elie,

1030
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: do you feel like, oh, the Reds are going to

1031
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 2: build around me if I sign a deal, They'll make

1032
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: me the face of the franchise. They'll build around me.

1033
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: They failed to do it with Ken Griffy Junior. They

1034
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: failed to do it with Joey Vado. They never got

1035
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: to the point that they could have or should have.

1036
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: So why can you blame or how could you blame

1037
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: Elie de la Cruz for that? I can't. I thought

1038
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: c Trent Rosecrans did a good job writing about this

1039
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: and explaining some of the other comparable young players. Ronald

1040
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: Acunya Junior signed an eight year, one hundred million dollar

1041
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: extension with the Braves in twenty nineteen. That's been a

1042
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: relatively cheap deal, and you know, Akunya has been hurt

1043
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: for most of that time, but when he's on, he's

1044
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: as good as anybody in baseball. Juan Soto is the

1045
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: best example of this. He's a boy client. Second NL

1046
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year to Ronald Acuni in twenty eighteen.

1047
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: He declined multiple extension offers from the Nationals, including a

1048
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: reported fifteen year, four hundred and forty million dollar contract

1049
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: offer from the Nationals. I was twenty twenty two, Juan

1050
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: Soto said, nah, he was traded to the Padres that season.

1051
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: After the season, the Padres traded him to the Yankees

1052
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: and he played his final season there before free agency,

1053
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: and we all know what happened after that, signed a

1054
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: fifteen year, seven hundred and sixty five million dollar contract

1055
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: with the New York Mets, same length, three hundred and

1056
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars, more three hundred and twenty million dollars

1057
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: more than what he was offered by the Nationals. That

1058
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: is probably the plan for Elie de la Cruz and

1059
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: Scott Boris, because I don't think there's any chance that

1060
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: there's going to be a salary cap in baseball. I

1061
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: want it to happen. I want there to be a

1062
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: salary cap. I want there to be a salary floor.

1063
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: I want these negotiations to lead to real change that

1064
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: feels like every team in Major League Baseball is competitive

1065
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: at the start of every year. That's what I want

1066
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: to happen out of the lockout that's gonna come next year.

1067
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 2: But I don't have any faith that that's gonna happen

1068
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: because I don't think the players are gonna budge on

1069
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: a salary cap, and I don't believe in the owners

1070
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: to be able to come up with something that makes sense.

1071
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: And so for that reason, I'm sure Scott Boris and

1072
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: Eli day La Cruz are betting on that as well

1073
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: as if to say, Okay, well, we're never gonna get

1074
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: we might get a three hundred and fifty million dollar

1075
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: offer from the Reds, but we'll get an eight hundred

1076
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: million dollar offer from the Dodgers, or we'll get an

1077
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: eight hundred million dollar offer from the Mets, or from

1078
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: the Yankees or from someone down the line. Can't blame

1079
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: them for holding out, for waiting, for turning down that offer,

1080
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: and I can't blame Nick Krawl for the little pr

1081
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: spin on it by saying, yeah, we tried to make

1082
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: him the highest paid Red of all time, of course

1083
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: you did. What other choice do you have? Talkbacks are

1084
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: next right here on ESPN fifteen thirty. Before we get

1085
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: to talkbacks, a little bit of breaking news in the

1086
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: National Football League. The Denver Broncos are not the only

1087
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: team to lose one of their star players for the

1088
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: rest of the season. The Seattle Seahawks have announced that

1089
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: running back Zack Charbonnet has suffered a season ending torn

1090
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: acl on his knee that will obviously require surgery and

1091
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: he is gonna be out. They've had a nice little

1092
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: running back tandem there, Kenneth Walker the third and Zach's

1093
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: Charbonay sharbon Ay is now out for Seattle for the

1094
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: rest of the NFC playoffs. Drew By, you're in charge

1095
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: of the talkbacks today. Let's let them rip.

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Speaker 14: Let's go hey, then Tony and Austin once again some

1097
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 14: great football this weekend. Was talking to some Ohio State

1098
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 14: alum and I actually luned when the dot in the

1099
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 14: I it stands for an eception, because man, do those

1100
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 14: OSU quarterbacks know how to throw them in the playoffs?

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Speaker 14: Have a good day, gentleman.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I feel bad for c. J. Stroud as well,

1103
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: because he stinks and this this might just be who

1104
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: CJ is. You're heard. It's hard to find a game

1105
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: where c J. Stroud, a big game that c J.

1106
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 2: Stroud has performed at an elite level and his team

1107
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: won it just it just does. It hasn't happened. He

1108
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: never beat Michigan Ohio State. He lost in the College

1109
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: Football Playoff to Georgia. He went nuclear in the Rose Bowl,

1110
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: but that game had no meaning, It didn't matter.

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Speaker 15: Happy Monday, Audio, hope you're doing well. And man, what

1112
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 15: a weekend of football at the NFL. That crazy throw

1113
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 15: by Caleb Williams that Bill's game, Man, I mean a

1114
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 15: lot of Bill's Mafia fans matter over that itt it

1115
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 15: towards the end of the game, And I say, what

1116
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 15: about this hurdovers Allan had before that? But what about the

1117
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 15: no holding calling end zone? It would have been a

1118
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 15: safety that ended the ball game. And hey, there's a

1119
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 15: lot of quarterbacks out here that's going to make it

1120
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Speaker 15: to the Super Bowl before Alan and Jackson? What about that?

1121
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 15: Take care of mind?

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01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: And who they thank you? Kevin?

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Speaker 3: Can we just point out how ridiculous that Caleb Williams

1124
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: throw was.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, fifty one point eight yards in the air.

1126
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: I've never seen a quarterback retreat just straight back before.

1127
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: And then he throws a deep ball and it looks

1128
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: so effortless. Like when he threw it, I was like, oh,

1129
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: it's not gonna make it, and it almost went out

1130
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: of the back of the end zone.

1131
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: Like regardless of the like the blown coverage. And I

1132
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 3: think part of the blown coverage was because the corner thought,

1133
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 3: no way.

1134
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: He hit the ball that far. I think he thought

1135
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: it was short too right, and he.

1136
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: Was flat footed momentum going back. And I think it's

1137
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Speaker 3: the best throw I've ever seen. Yeah, like considering the

1138
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 3: circumstances as well, I get it. I think it's the

1139
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: best throw I have ever seen. And then Matthew Stafford

1140
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 3: had the one on the sideline to Adams. Yeah, pretty

1141
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: sure was a no look throw. Yeah, that was absolutely perfect.

1142
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that that game last night was a

1143
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: fascinating football game.

1144
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: Our guy Liam just popped his head and the commercial

1145
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: break and said, I have a segment idea for you.

1146
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: I said, all right, let it rip, and he said,

1147
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: great plays that are forgotten to history because your team loses. Yeah,

1148
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: and that's a great idea I can think of. He

1149
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: brought up Jamar Chase in the AFC Championship Game in

1150
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: twenty two. Obviously, the Caleb Williams play that happened the

1151
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: Seahawks and the Super Bowl, the curse Curse made that

1152
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: unbelievable catch, Like, oh.

1153
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that play. That throw. I watched it

1154
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 3: back and back and back, and it's crazy because he

1155
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 3: made and even like not crazier throw than that one,

1156
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: but the throw against the Packers on fourth and eight, yeah,

1157
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: like the week before was also like I don't know

1158
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: if I've seen a throw that good before. So yeah,

1159
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: Cale Williams has got arm talent. We'll call it that

1160
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 3: arm talent.

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Speaker 16: Hello, this is gratifier here ideas.

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Speaker 15: And I just want to say how benst we feel

1163
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 15: in their household that.

1164
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 17: Josh Allen is out of the playoffs and he would

1165
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 17: not win the Super Bowl before Joe Bellrow Ah, so

1166
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 17: wonderful day it is.

1167
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 16: They were all the hatreds.

1168
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 18: They had anything to say about our quarterback, Joe Beellrow.

1169
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Speaker 7: All I can say to you, DearS is back all.

1170
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Speaker 3: I didn't realize your guys' quarterback was named Joe Berrel

1171
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: Joe Berrel.

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Speaker 19: M Hey, it's le Roy down here in foul Met.

1173
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 19: I knew those boys were gonna come through for us.

1174
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 19: He'll be intuition, I told you. But when that kid

1175
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 19: started popping those threes like tic TACs, boy, I was

1176
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 19: a nervous as a long tailed cat in a room

1177
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 19: four rocking chairs.

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Speaker 12: I'll tell you what.

1179
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 19: Mm hell own two Arizona. Let's get that victory and

1180
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 19: back it up boys.

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01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeay, yeah, that's heat that Milosovich. Sure guy from Iowa State.

1182
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 3: In today's day and age, where guys are like coming

1183
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 3: and going and leaving it everywhere. This is his third

1184
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 3: year at Iowa State. He played as a freshman, so

1185
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 3: it feels like he's been there forever. Yeah, he's shooting

1186
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 3: fifty two percent from three.

1187
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: This crazy, I think. Uh it was dan Or Terry

1188
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: compared him to Paisa Stoyokovic, and I was like, that

1189
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: is spot on. Like dude just out there filling it up,

1190
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: doesn't care, shoot it from anywhere.

1191
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 3: He plays more like Paiga than in Paige's own son

1192
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: who plays for Illinois.

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01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 20: Yes, hello, this is former President Ronald Reagan. And well,

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01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 20: I want to know, Audie, who do you think have

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 20: the worst weekend? C J Stroud, Josh Allen, Caleb Williams

1197
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 20: or Brock Purdy. For me, ironically, I think it was

1198
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Speaker 20: Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. True, it's a good question. I'm gonna

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01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: say CJ.

1201
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 3: Stroud.

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01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Josh Allen lost his head coach and

1203
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: felt like that was supposed to and it was all

1204
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: on him. Yeah, I think CJ's close, But I'm gonna say.

1205
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: John that first half was like I wanted to go,

1206
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 3: like retreat into a corner. For CJ. That was that

1207
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: was a hard, hard watch yesterday.

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Speaker 17: Hey guys Jeff and New Richmond. Happy Monday to you.

1209
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 17: So Wes Miller, great job on Saturday. I've been critical

1210
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 17: as an alum. You know that is what you see

1211
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 17: basketball is and hopefully will return to. As far as

1212
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 17: the Sean McDermott thing, now that he's been fired by

1213
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 17: the Bills, would you name him the number one available coach?

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 11: Uh?

1215
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would. I don't know that there's

1216
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of any other names.

1217
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 3: With Harball being off the table, and I would probably

1218
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 3: put him in Stefanski like I would put McDermott in

1219
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: front of Stefanski, but already being in Atlanta.

1220
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: I like I'm big Kevin s.

1221
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 12: I was too.

1222
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 3: It was time for the Browns to move on, but

1223
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 3: I will. I wish Kevin Stefanski nothing but success here

1224
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: and I'm glad he went to the NFC.

1225
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. I feel that same way about Harball.

1226
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 2: Here are the coaches that were fired this year. Brian Callahan,

1227
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: Brian day Ball, Raheem Morris, Stefanski, Pete Carroll, Jonathan Gannon, Harball,

1228
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel, Mike Tomlin, and Sean McDermott. I would put

1229
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: McDermott ahead of Tomlin. I would put him ahead of

1230
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 2: just about everybody on that list. I think Mike McDaniel,

1231
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: in the right situation, can work. I think the Dolphins

1232
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: are a bit of a dumpster fire.

1233
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 3: I think he needs a rehab yr as an OC.

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01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he would be interesting in Buffalo. People

1235
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: have already said Brian Dayball, because he's from Buffalo, was

1236
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,560
Speaker 2: the OC with Josh Allen when they were really good.

1237
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if they would do that right away,

1238
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 2: but I wonder about that.

1239
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: Do they call the Steelers and discuss compensation for Tomlin?

1240
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because you would be replacing Sean

1241
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 2: McDermott with a slightly worse Sean McDermott. Fair enough, Mike

1242
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: Tomlin is not that good of a football coach.

1243
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

1244
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you there that you want to talk about fallacy,

1245
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: don't get me started.

1246
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 18: Hey, AUTI Joe from case here, Joe, you're talking about

1247
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,919
Speaker 18: replay earlier. My two cents on NFL replay.

1248
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 21: I think when we.

1249
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 18: Slow it down and go frame by frame, things can

1250
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 18: get distorted. Out of bounds is a different issue, but

1251
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 18: like on things like these catches, I think he just

1252
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 18: gets distorted. I think replays should be watched at full speed.

1253
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 3: They okay, I've seen this take before.

1254
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

1255
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 3: I can't quite get there, but I've heard like the

1256
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 3: reasoning behind it, and I don't hate the idea. I

1257
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 3: don't think I agree with it, but I don't hate

1258
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 3: the idea.

1259
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 2: I think you should let me put it this way.

1260
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 2: Instead of every single replay you watch being a slow

1261
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: motion replay, maybe throw in the full speed version, right, Okay?

1262
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: That I can Yeah?

1263
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 22: Well, well, well, cats threat and rep in the city

1264
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 22: out here in sunny hot Zona, What up, Addie Man?

1265
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 22: Excellent win by the Bearcats. Can you do me a favorite?

1266
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 22: Come out here to zone and split. I mean, at

1267
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 22: least make it close with the Wildcats. But be Asu,

1268
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 22: this team out here is not good, man, Josh Allen,

1269
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 22: I don't know what to tell you. No more, man,

1270
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 22: No excuses, dude, no excuses. You got Medermic fired, and

1271
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 22: that just he proves area by Joe Burrow still the

1272
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 22: best pure quarterback in the NFL.

1273
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: My favorite thing about Bengals fans is we will find

1274
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 2: a way to make it about us.

1275
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you will, you certainly will. I love it how

1276
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 3: everyone's like, yeah, Josh Allen got McDermott fired, Like why how?

1277
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1278
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 3: Like just because they they lost again in the like

1279
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,560
Speaker 3: they lost again in the playoffs, and they felt like

1280
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: they needed to move on. It's not like Josh Allen,

1281
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: Like there has been no report of any substance of

1282
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 3: like Josh Allen and McDermott like butting heads at all.

1283
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: Do you think Josh Allen cried today?

1284
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1285
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.

1286
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 3: I bet he cries tomorrow too, maybe the day after that.

1287
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 3: Then he ends up somewhere, he starts playing golf again,

1288
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 3: and they'll be good.

1289
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: Way do you not like Josh Allen.

1290
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 3: I do like Josh Colin. My thing, what Josh Allen

1291
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 3: is is you know what I've seen is everyone's like, oh,

1292
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 3: Josh Allen can't make excuses anymore, or like, why is

1293
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: everybody make an excuse for Josh Allen when all I've

1294
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 3: seen is people like ragging on Josh Allen for the

1295
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 3: last forty eight hours, I haven't seen one one person

1296
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: like making excuses for Josh Allen, including Josh Allen.

1297
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: It's a good point pounderful pound.

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01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 22: We got the best quarterback in the AFC orient football.

1299
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 22: Watching Josh Allen overthrow a ball and underthrowaball and watch

1300
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 22: the CJ strout have fumble lightest and look at Caleb

1301
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 22: Williams up there in Chicago.

1302
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 12: I mean, he did good and.

1303
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 3: All, but he made some poor decisions.

1304
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 22: And I'm not saying that my quarterback doesn't make poor decisions,

1305
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 22: but when it comes to game time and touch time,

1306
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 22: our quarterback is that dude. I understand why everybody give

1307
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 22: Hi Josh Allen his flowers. But I hear you. You

1308
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 22: got McDermot fire, but no excuses. Bengals get this right

1309
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 22: next season.

1310
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 3: You guys better make the playoffs next year.

1311
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: Man I don't blame you. I get it. I'm annoyed

1312
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: by it too.

1313
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,839
Speaker 23: Does possessing the ball for one snap of a camera

1314
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 23: constitute a successful catch. I'm gonna go out on a

1315
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 23: limb and say, I don't know. What I do know

1316
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 23: is that the NFL is whack.

1317
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 3: True.

1318
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 24: Yeah, great win pre UC over Iowa State. I thought

1319
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 24: Kentucky maybe was down and out. That had a couple

1320
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:18,879
Speaker 24: miraculous comebacks last couple games. Shout out to Miami of Ohio,

1321
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 24: keep it going.

1322
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 3: Update on them after this, I was about to say, awesome.

1323
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 24: Some I don't understand c J Stroud. I would have

1324
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 24: taken him out of halftime.

1325
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame you. I thought they were going

1326
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: to I thought Demko Ryans was going to pull the plug.

1327
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: And there was a fierce debate between Ryan Clark and

1328
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 2: the Big Swagoo at halftime about that. But he brought

1329
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: up to Miami RedHawks. I'm sure you and I just

1330
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: saw the same thing at the same time. Rank them

1331
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: for the first time. The Miami RedHawks this season are ranked.

1332
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 2: The new AP Top twenty five poll comes out and

1333
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: Miami comes in at number twenty five at nineteen to

1334
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: zero Saint Louis team you mentioned earlier that Dayton has

1335
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 2: to play coming up at the end of the month.

1336
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 2: They are number twenty four at seventeen and one. Louisville

1337
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 2: is number twenty three. We'll get to the rest of

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: those later.

1339
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 25: Oh, I guess I shouldn't call during open lines because

1340
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 25: for a half hour he didn't go to my call.

1341
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:15,919
Speaker 2: Anyway.

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 25: The Brandon Cooks interception thing something that a game is

1343
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 25: on the line, the season's on the line, the playoffs

1344
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 25: are on the line. They should have like a level

1345
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 25: one officials time out. Then they go to New York

1346
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 25: and three officials up there vote on it. Two out

1347
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 25: of the three gets the call. That would end at

1348
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 25: all with the right call.

1349
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 3: Love it.

1350
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: Let's just get really weird with it, Okay, all right,

1351
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: Jim's always thinking outside the box. Sorry I didn't take

1352
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 2: your call.

1353
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 22: Jim back again for a triple up, which I don't leave. Oh,

1354
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 22: just listen to the radio station out here. Got me

1355
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 22: a little peeve. You dig where I'm coming from. They

1356
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 22: are dog of my bear, catchy overlook at my cats man,

1357
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 22: get out here. You see a handle, bizz I want

1358
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 22: an Arizona this week now.

1359
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 2: I was talking about.

1360
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 22: This, but nah, I want to sweep kind of getse

1361
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 22: boy they first lost, and uh, yes, the Buffalo job

1362
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 22: is the most attractive job right now.

1363
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 12: But man, the Bills gotta give. They gotta get a receiver.

1364
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 22: That's the only way they're gonna be able to do it.

1365
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 3: Are the Bills the best job available, like just strictly

1366
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 3: because they have Josh Allen?

1367
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 3: Probably, I think I think up there, yeah, Like, I

1369
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 3: think it's either of them or Baltimore. I just think Baltimore's, like,

1370
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 3: you know, it's basically comes down to like do you

1371
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 3: want Allen or do you want Jackson? But I think

1372
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 3: Baltimore's roster is a little better than Buffalo's roster.

1373
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: I think the structure of the organization for Baltimore might

1374
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 2: be up there a little bit. And I think you

1375
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: can make the argument, well, how much did those two

1376
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: coaches have to do with the structure and what's it

1377
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: gonna look like when they leave? And I think that's fair.

1378
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,879
Speaker 2: The Titans they could be, but they're not. The Browns

1379
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: are towards the bottom, The Cardinals are towards the bottom.

1380
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: The Steelers might be the worst job. The Dolphins have

1381
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: terrible ownership and their roster is being changed over, so

1382
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: I think like as of now, it would probably be

1383
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: either Buffalo Baltimore and then the Raiders. And I know

1384
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: people think I'm crazy for seeing the Raiders, but I

1385
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: think that's a better job than people think.

1386
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 3: The time is now.

1387
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 26: Extend west Miller lifetime contract.

1388
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 3: Please, I'm I'm gonna go out on a limon say

1389
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: that guy's not being genuine and his wanting of extending

1390
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 3: Wes Miller for life.

1391
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: That's our friend Andy, He's a big Xavier fan.

1392
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 3: That's kind of what I figured.

1393
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: First.

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01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:43,440
Speaker 16: Thanks first, Audie. Oh and yes, I'm pulling for Indiana.

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01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: I Oh.

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01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 16: More importantly, continuity. It all comes back to Mike Brown

1397
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 16: and things haven't changed. And I've been rooting for fifty years.

1398
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,919
Speaker 16: Although Zach Taylor is five and two in the playoffs

1399
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 16: and McDermott is eight and eight, which would you rather

1400
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 16: have a couple trips to the AFC Championship and won

1401
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 16: Super Bowl? I guess I could make an argument for that.

1402
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 2: Go Bengals and I head to head beat down at

1403
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: the hands of Zach Taylor in the divisional round.

1404
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 27: It's the Lord. So let me get this straight. The Bills,

1405
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 27: the Ravens, the Steelers, the Browns, the Dolphins all do

1406
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 27: not have head coaches, and the Chiefs don't have a

1407
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 27: quarterback until probably mid mid season of next year. So

1408
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 27: now the Bengals have to get this thing done. Your

1409
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,759
Speaker 27: windows are shutting, Bengals, Let's get this thing done.

1410
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: I agree with this sentiment, although I think Patrick mahonmes.

1411
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 3: Be ready to play by week one. Yeah really, I

1412
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 3: think he's burrow like that. That would that would stun me.

1413
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 3: I will say that that would that would shock me.

1414
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: But I guess maybe put a skyline bet on it.

1415
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 3: On the skyline bet week one. He's got to start

1416
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 3: Week one?

1417
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: Deal?

1418
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 12: All right?

1419
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 3: Oh that one's blank?

1420
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 28: Okay, Happy Monday. It's Dve from Madisonville. Why can't the

1421
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 28: NFL figure out over time? You have a different overtime

1422
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 28: than the regular season than you do the postseason. They

1423
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 28: say they're about the players, but they've already played four

1424
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 28: quarters and you're gonna expect them to play another quarter.

1425
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 28: That's why Nick's got hurt. I think they should have

1426
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 28: a possession at the twenty five yard line. No, no,

1427
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 28: and alternate until somebody wins the game. Thanks No.

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01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: I think that's stupid. I've always said, I think that's stupid.

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 2: I think that takes out part of the game, which

1430
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: is special teams and kick returns. And you could see

1431
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 2: from Rashichi heat over the weekend what he means to Seattle,

1432
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 2: and you know, if a team would have to kick

1433
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: to him and in the overtime, and how they choose

1434
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: to do that, all that different stuff. I think the

1435
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: playoff overtime is perfect. It's what I've always wanted. It's

1436
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Each team gets to possess the ball. Whoever wins.

1437
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: It's just an extra quarter. Much like baseball, they just

1438
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 2: play an extra inning. In basketball, they shortened the time

1439
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 2: on the clock, but they just play same rules, and

1440
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: I think football should do the same. And I don't

1441
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,879
Speaker 2: think it has that much to do with the players

1442
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But the fact that the overtime

1443
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 2: in the regular season is shorter is because of that,

1444
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: because they do try to protect the players in the

1445
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: regular season, but in the postseason is a little bit different.

1446
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 2: They try to make it more fair.

1447
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 3: All right, we got one last one came in under

1448
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: the gun.

1449
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 21: Hey, Audie, this is Corey and Millville. Not confused with

1450
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 21: Millvale first time, long time. Just wanted to second your

1451
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 21: opinion on the Reds. This organization has been riding the

1452
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 21: coattail the big Red machine for over fifty years, and

1453
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 21: outside of that one decade, they've been almost completely irrelevant

1454
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 21: for one hundred and fifty years. Time for this organization

1455
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 21: to get it together and perform. That's all we want

1456
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 21: to see. Nobody cares about the past.

1457
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 2: Win maybe win well, said Corey. I think it's a

1458
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 2: good one to end on.

1459
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 3: We did get one more, Okay, I get one more?

1460
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 29: Fantastic John Harbaugh with the Ravens six fourteen winning percentage,

1461
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 29: Sean McDermott with the Bills six sixty two winning percentage?

1462
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 29: What is Zach Taylor's.

1463
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 3: Winning percentage with the Bengals.

1464
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 29: Again, just highlights the difference in standard franchise to franchise

1465
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 29: and what we consider good versus what other teams that

1466
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 29: are well run considers good and acceptable, and the continued

1467
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 29: pursuit of excellence.

1468
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: I get where people are coming from, but I also

1469
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 2: cannot underestimate how important it is to have your quarterback.

1470
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor is forty one and twenty six when he

1471
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 2: has Joe Burrow since twenty twenty one. That's the point.

1472
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 2: His job is to win with the quarterback he has,

1473
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: and obviously the defense has been among the worst, and

1474
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 2: that's where Duke Tobin deserves most of the blame. And

1475
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Zach couldn't be better. He could, but

1476
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 2: without Joe Burrow. And by the way, this is all

1477
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: about the quarterbacks. This league is all about quarterback. It

1478
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: always has been about quarterback. Without Joe Burrow, it's a

1479
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: tough road to ho especially when your defense is that bad.

1480
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: Forty one and twenty six with Burrow since twenty one,

1481
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 2: that's the stat That's why he's still the head coach.

1482
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, an update on somebody

1483
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: who might be leaving the Bengals coaching staff. That's next

1484
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: right here on ESPN fifteen thirty, rolled right along, just

1485
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 2: over halfway done here on Tony Pike since e three

1486
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 2: to sixty on this Doctor Martin Luther King Junior edition

1487
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 2: of the show. Hope everyone is having a good day

1488
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 2: out there. Tony is back tomorrow on the show with me.

1489
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: There is a little bit of Bengals coaching news, not

1490
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: that it's anything official, but the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are

1491
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: going to interview Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher for their

1492
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: vacant offensive coordinator job this week. Sources tell Ian Rappaport.

1493
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: It is an opportunity made possible by Zach Taylor giving

1494
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 2: Pitcher permission to speak to teams with play calling offensive

1495
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 2: coordinator opportunities. It is described by Ian Rappaport as a

1496
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: quote significant development. Now you might remember Pitcher interviewed with

1497
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns for their head coaching job earlier in

1498
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 2: this cycle. He was very nearly the offensive coordinator of

1499
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers last year, if I'm not mistaken, he went

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Speaker 2: through a couple of rounds of interviews with them. I

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01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: saw a report earlier today that Mike McDaniel is kind

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01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 2: of the favorite or would be the favorite in Tampa

1503
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: to be the offensive coordinator. But I don't know if

1504
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: he's going to be head coach or if he's going

1505
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: to be an OC somewhere else. And I think this

1506
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: is going to be like five or six offensive coordinators

1507
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,799
Speaker 2: in five or six years for Tampa. So Dan Pitcher

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01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 2: given an opportunity by Zach Taylor to go speak with

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01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: Tampa and as Ian Rappaport puts it to permission to

1510
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: speak to teams with play calling offensive coordinator opportunities. So

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01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 2: this to me is an indication that Zach Taylor does

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01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 2: not plan to give up play calling duties. And this

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01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: has been my thing with Zach this offseason, and I'm

1514
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: going to keep pounding the drum. You know. He talked

1515
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 2: about how what he loves about working with Duke Tobin

1516
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 2: is that there's no ego, and there's no ego in

1517
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: the room whatsoever. I think Zach Taylor has a blind

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01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: spot for his own ego. I think the operations, the

1519
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: simple stuff, whether it be challenges or time out or

1520
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: getting the play with a play call in, or understanding

1521
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: the play clock or dealing with an injury or talking

1522
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: to an official or whatever it might be, the simple

1523
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: game day operation stuff that a head coach has to

1524
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: be good at. Zach Taylor's not good enough at it.

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01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: And I feel like he can still do all the

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01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: stuff he typically does when it comes to play calling,

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01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 2: which is a collaborative effort throughout the week, except on

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01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 2: game days, he's not the one speaking into the microphone

1529
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: and calling the plays, and that allows him to clean

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01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: up the rest of the operation. I think that's a

1531
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,799
Speaker 2: blind spot for Zach Taylor, and I think his ego

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01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 2: and stubbornness gets in the way of that. And this

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01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 2: is coming from somebody who likes Zach, And this is

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01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: coming from somebody who just defindited him a moment ago

1535
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: about how good of a head coach he is. And

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01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: I know that this offense since twenty twenty one is excellent,

1537
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 2: top ten in EPA, eighth. I believe in the NFL

1538
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: total like I really like Zach. I do believe in Zach.

1539
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 2: I get people who don't. But this is the type

1540
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: of stuff I'm talking about. If Dan Pitcher was told, hey,

1541
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 2: we're going to go somewhere else with the Cleveland Brown,

1542
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 2: say hey, thanks for the interview, but we're going to

1543
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 2: go somewhere else, and Zach Taylor says, hey, you want

1544
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: to call place, I'll let you call the place you think.

1545
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 2: Dan Pitcher entertains leaving to Tampa. No, when Brian Callahan

1546
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 2: kept getting interviews but stopped getting jobs, you know what happened.

1547
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor said, I might start letting Brian call the

1548
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: plays because I feel like I'm holding him back from

1549
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 2: getting a job. Why can't you do the same thing

1550
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 2: right here. If the effort is truly as collaborative as

1551
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor says it is, then it wouldn't be that

1552
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: big of a change. So is it collaborative and is

1553
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: it possible or is it ego? That's my question with Zach.

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01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll come back. This is ESPN

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01:24:53,479 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Tony Pike. Since he three sixty putting a

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01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: bow on our number two hour number three. We're gonna

1557
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 2: talk a lot of Reds. You're gonna hear a lot

1558
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: of what Lance McAllister, a lot of the conversations Lance

1559
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: McCallister had from Friday at Redsfest. I pulled a few

1560
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: clips from each of those, and I want to talk

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01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: about him and Lance did a wonderful job and highly

1562
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: recommend you go and check that out the full podcast

1563
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: whenever you get a chance to do so. But in

1564
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: the meantime, something I haven't mentioned this entire show. It

1565
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,520
Speaker 2: just dawned on me. The College Football Playoff National Championship

1566
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 2: Game is tonight. I didn't mention that in the first segment.

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01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: You failed to remind me, Drew when I asked you

1568
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: if I missed anything. That's because it feels like this

1569
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: game is kind of flying under the radar.

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01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 3: I think it's because it should have been played eighteen

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01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 3: days ago.

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01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 2: I know it's been like nine or ten days since

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01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: each of these teams played Indiana and Miami. Tonight, Indiana

1574
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 2: the designated home team at fifteen to zero, Miami thirteen

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01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 2: and two. The Hoosiers are eight and a half half

1576
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 2: point favorites seven thirty kickoff. What do you think of

1577
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 2: eight and a half point favorites? True?

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01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 3: Well, I've been riding the Hoosier train all playoff long,

1579
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 3: so ain't no stopping us. Now We're we're rolling with

1580
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 3: the Hoosiers yet again tonight.

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01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like my whole point with them is

1582
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 2: like every time it feels like you try to rattle

1583
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza, he just doesn't care yeap. And like, if

1584
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: I think back to that first play the Big Ten

1585
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Championship game where Ohio State crushed him yep, and he

1586
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 2: threw a pick or whatever it was, he just came

1587
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 2: out and started throwing dots after that, Like like, there's

1588
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 2: just no He's unflappable.

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01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do think Miami is uniquely equipped to

1590
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 3: give them some issues. That sure, maybe they haven't seen

1591
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 3: with their front four. And you know, I was thinking

1592
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 3: about this last night, oh because I knew I was

1593
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 3: coming on. I figured we talk about it. The thing

1594
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 3: with this game, if Miami can get pressure up the

1595
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: middle with four and you know stay you know, stay

1596
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 3: disciplined on the bat with their back end, I do

1597
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 3: think they can create some issues because that is always

1598
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying for Na Mendoza is Tom Brady,

1599
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 3: but that is always. That was always the formula when

1600
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 3: you were going against Brady in a big game was

1601
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 3: that you had to get pressure up. You had to

1602
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 3: create pressure up the middle so Brady couldn't step up

1603
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 3: and you had to get home with four. You couldn't

1604
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 3: bring extra. Tom was gonna was gonna deduce it and

1605
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 3: figure it out and find where he needed to go

1606
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 3: with the football. And I think that is the big

1607
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 3: you know, if Miami can do that, then I think

1608
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 3: it could it could get interesting. But I at the

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01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 3: end of the day, like I said, Indiana has crushed

1610
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 3: everybody they've played since that Ohio State game, and I

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01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 3: just I don't think Miami's gonna have enough on offense

1612
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 3: to stay with him. I'll say Indiana wins it thirty

1613
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 3: eight to twenty one.

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01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 2: Thirty eight, you have him scoring that many points? Ada, Yeah, okay, interesting.

1615
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: I think it's more of a defensive game. I think

1616
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: they'll be a little bit of feeling each other out

1617
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: early in the game. Yeah, I do agree with you.

1618
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 2: I think Miami, if they've just found ways to beat

1619
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 2: everybody this year, so why wouldn't they find a way

1620
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 2: to beat Indiana as well. I think they have been tested.

1621
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 2: I think that counts for something. Don't know that it

1622
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 2: means everything, but it counts for something. And you know,

1623
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 2: I still think Indiana is going to win, but I

1624
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to blow out Miami. I think

1625
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: Miami will will be in this game. And the story

1626
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 2: around this whole thing has been less about the game

1627
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: and more about the ticket prices. We now are at

1628
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: the day of the game, five and a half hours

1629
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: before kickoff, Drew, what's the latest in terms of ticket

1630
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 2: prices at hard Rock Stadium in Miami.

1631
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 3: Well, I've looked up tickets for three separate unnamed ticket websites,

1632
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 3: no free ads here. One one website has the cheapest

1633
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 3: ticket for two tickets at thirty four hundred dollars This

1634
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 3: would be section three thirty one twenty four. So that is,

1635
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 3: according to this website, that's an amazing deal. Okay, all right,

1636
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 3: website number two, the cheapest ticket I could find in

1637
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 3: section three twenty three, Row thirteen would be thirty six

1638
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two dollars each obviously each, yes, correct,

1639
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 3: And on website number three, this is the cheapest ticket

1640
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 3: I found. Three point fifty Row twenty nine looks to

1641
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 3: be about as high up as you can go, huh

1642
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 3: for thirty three hundred seventy six apiece. Wow, if we

1643
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 3: wanted to turn that on their head.

1644
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 2: Super Bowl level prices, if.

1645
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 3: We wanted to turn that on the head. A field

1646
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: club level seat is going for twenty seven thousand at

1647
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 3: the moment.

1648
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: See I just see one right here, lower level one

1649
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 2: oh two, which is in the end zone, four rows

1650
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 2: back two tickets thirty five thousand, six hundred and sixty

1651
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 2: eight dollars each.

1652
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 12: Jaousa, I think.

1653
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 3: That's more than me, and you make mine is crazy.

1654
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: I do see some club seats here right behind the

1655
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: Indiana being Indiana bench for fourteen fifteen, sixteen thousand dollars.

1656
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that is just ridiculous and then the parking.

1657
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 2: We all we talked about that last week. The parking

1658
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 2: is absurd, and ever since they redid that stadium, the

1659
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 2: parking has gotten way worse. In and out. Getting out

1660
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 2: of there is a real problem. But either way, not

1661
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 2: going to be cheap. I did hear somebody say this

1662
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 2: morning they have a niece or somebody who goes to

1663
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 2: Miami and they bought a student ticket for them five

1664
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 2: hundred bucks. It can only be transferred student to student,

1665
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 2: and it's unsellable, so you can't sell it all. So

1666
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: that I think is good. Even then, that's five hundred

1667
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 2: bucks for if you're already there, that's not bad.

1668
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. To go to the national National Championship game, Yeah,

1669
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 3: and that's probably not a like you're probably not, you know,

1670
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 3: stuck all the way up in the nosebleeds either.

1671
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, there's probably a decent like the Taco

1672
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 2: Bell section or whatever they always do. We'll talk some

1673
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 2: reds in hour number three. I do want to finish

1674
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 2: giving the college football the college basketball top twenty five.

1675
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 2: I started doing that earlier. Zona's number one, Yukon two,

1676
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 2: Michigan is three. Unfortunately. I think Michigan is really good,

1677
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 2: very good. Houston moves up a spot to number six.

1678
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 2: That's because Iowa State, after losing to Cincinnati, drops seven

1679
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: spots all the way down to number nine. Michigan State

1680
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: is number ten. Texas Tech is up three spots to

1681
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,560
Speaker 2: number twelve, BYU drops a couple of spots to number thirteen.

1682
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 2: Kansas is now in the top twenty five. Talked about

1683
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 2: them earlier. They are number nineteen in the country. Now

1684
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Georgia is number twenty one. You might remember how Cincinnati

1685
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 2: played Georgia earlier this year.

1686
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 3: Here as well.

1687
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Xavier as well. North Carolina up to number two,

1688
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 2: down to number twenty two, as I mentioned, Louisville twenty three,

1689
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 2: Saint Louis twenty four, and Miami of Ohio as it's

1690
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 2: noted on the website, but we all know around here

1691
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 2: it's just Miami. The RedHawks nineteen and oher in the

1692
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 2: Mid American Conference are number twenty five in the country.

1693
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 2: Kentucky received twenty seven votes, Saint John's received sixty four.

1694
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 2: Among others receiving votes, We'll take a break, we'll come back,

1695
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 2: we'll talk some Reds and we'll talk to you five

1696
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 2: on three, seven, four, nine, fifteen, thirty is the phone number.

1697
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 2: This is Tony Pike's Cincy three sixty on the home

1698
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 2: of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

1699
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since E three sixty about Cincinnati

1700
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1701
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, Welcome in final hour of Tony Pike since

1702
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 2: E three to sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm

1703
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: Austin Olmore. Tony'll be back tomorrow. He of course, enjoying

1704
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: the holiday uh somewhere and probably enjoying the victory over

1705
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 2: the weekend from his Cincinnati Bearcats over number two Iowa

1706
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 2: State seventy nine to seventy. Lot of Bearcat fans hyped

1707
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 2: about that. I'm sure we'll talk extensively about it tomorrow

1708
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: on the show. Phone lines are open at five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

1709
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty if you want to call in and be

1710
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 2: a part of the show. We've talked a little bit

1711
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 2: about the Bengals. We've talked about the NFL coaching carousel

1712
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 2: and what happened in the playoffs. We've talked college basketball

1713
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 2: and all the stuff that went down over the weekend.

1714
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: We've taken your talkbacks. We talked a little bit about

1715
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: Elie de la Cruz and this contract extension that he

1716
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: was offered by the Reds, but we haven't talked that

1717
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 2: much about some of the other tidbits and things that

1718
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 2: have come out of Redsfest over the weekend. Let me

1719
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 2: just say this. First of all, the crowd was fantastic,

1720
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 2: and I think the Reds maybe even exceeded their own

1721
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: expectations for the amount of excitement around it. And maybe it,

1722
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 2: you know, being gone for the last couple of years,

1723
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 2: distance makes the heart grow fonder. I don't know. But

1724
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 2: the fact that I think I saw posted somewhere that

1725
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 2: the Reds had the most attended it was the most

1726
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 2: attended Redsfest since twenty sixteen, I want to say if

1727
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,719
Speaker 2: I saw that correctly, And you know, the new space,

1728
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: it's it's not changed drastically at the Convention Center, but

1729
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 2: it is a little bit more opened up and it's beautiful,

1730
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: and the way that they set it up was not

1731
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,560
Speaker 2: all that dissimilar, but it was nice and it was refreshing,

1732
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: and I thought it was better and they did a

1733
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 2: great job and it's cool to see players and alumni

1734
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 2: hanging out and signing autographs and you know, just talking

1735
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 2: and all that. And one of the best parts I

1736
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 2: think of Reds Fest every year is when Lance McAllister

1737
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 2: does sports talk on seven hundred WLW down there, and

1738
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 2: it's one of my favorite shows to listen to. I

1739
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier because guys are kind of relaxed, and there's

1740
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 2: this excitement and it's the first time they've kind of

1741
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 2: been back in Cincinnati and all the different stuff that

1742
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 2: goes into it, and he I think Lance did a

1743
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 2: masterful job interviewing Terry Francona and I want to play

1744
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 2: two different clips of his conversation with Tito, and starting

1745
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: with the first one, he was asked. Lance asked Terry about,

1746
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily was he satisfied or thrilled with

1747
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 2: the fact that he comes back and immediately goes to

1748
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 2: the playoffs, but more or less, like, what did you

1749
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 2: get out of coming back and being able to get

1750
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 2: back to the postseason with a young group?

1751
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 30: To be truthful, I mean, our goal wasn't to win

1752
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 30: eighty three games and kind of sneak into the playoffs

1753
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,639
Speaker 30: now saying that I'm glad we did, yeah, but our

1754
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 30: trajectory has to be going this way, and as long

1755
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 30: as that's the case, okay, then I can live with

1756
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 30: what we did. Last year. We had a lot of

1757
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 30: guys that were going through things for the first time,

1758
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 30: and I reminded them after the last game. I said, hey,

1759
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 30: remember what it felt like the pop Champagne. I said,

1760
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 30: but also remember what it felt like to be sent

1761
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 30: home before you're ready to go home, because I think

1762
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 30: both things can help you.

1763
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 4: I just talked with Emilio and I thought he brought

1764
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 4: up a great point about the addition of Pierce Johnson

1765
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 4: and his curveball, and how that bullpen has so many

1766
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 4: different looks. How big is that to be able to

1767
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 4: go different look to different look to different look against hitters.

1768
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 30: So when we were going through good times last year,

1769
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 30: our bullpen was rested and deep, and when we struggled,

1770
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 30: we were relying on guys like Santion pegone way too much.

1771
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,839
Speaker 30: Now we've got some depth. We added some left handers.

1772
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 30: So and it's it's not just when you're winning, but

1773
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 30: you know, when you're down by two in the sixth

1774
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 30: guys give you a chance to come back and win

1775
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 30: some of those games and also not bury the guys.

1776
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 12: At the end. Of the game.

1777
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 30: But you make a good point because there's different styles.

1778
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 30: We have a couple of different lefties, different looks the right.

1779
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 30: He's not like Pierce Johnson coming in with a breaking ball,

1780
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 30: So we can match up against certain guys in lineups

1781
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 30: a lot better.

1782
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,719
Speaker 4: We know at times last season you were offensively challenged

1783
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 4: to an extent. How big is and how excited are

1784
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 4: you to get a bounce back season from somebody like

1785
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 4: Matt McClain. What would that?

1786
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 16: Well?

1787
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 30: We need it, you know, and I got stubborn with

1788
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 30: him last year because I believe in him so much.

1789
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,759
Speaker 30: But having Marte start the season fresh out and right field,

1790
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 30: having mclaney you're removed from shoulder, having Steer hopefully be

1791
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 30: the player he was after he got through that April,

1792
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 30: that should help us. Now again, we're not going to

1793
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 30: leave the leg in runs, is my guess. That's just

1794
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 30: being honest. But I would rather try to play with

1795
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 30: a really good pitching staff and team that catches the

1796
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 30: ball than when you score it's meaningful. Trying to win

1797
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 30: ten to nine is really hard. You got to do

1798
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,640
Speaker 30: it sometimes, but it's a hard way to play.

1799
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 4: If you are going to have nights square runs are

1800
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 4: tough to come by. You took a different approach than

1801
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 4: the previous year with this team, and you tap the

1802
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 4: brakes a little bit more on the run game. Might

1803
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 4: it lead to if you're not going to hit a

1804
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 4: ton of home runs, might it lead to you having

1805
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 4: to push the button a little bit more from a

1806
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 4: run game standpoint, Well, you know there's a give and

1807
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 4: take there, Yeah, there is.

1808
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 30: It's very hard to be ultra aggressive on the basis

1809
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 30: without making outs on the bases. My goal wasn't to

1810
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 30: see how many stolen bases we could steal. It was

1811
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 30: to see how many times we could be safe leaving

1812
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 30: the league. Making ounce on the basis isn't a goal. Yeah,

1813
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 30: And the one thing we talk about all the time.

1814
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 30: Everybody wants to be aggressive. Being aggressive is fun like

1815
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 30: by nature. Every manager, every coach wants to be aggressive.

1816
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 30: But I told myself, we got to be intelligent on

1817
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 30: top of it, or it's just not doing this enough

1818
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 30: good and we're relying on luck and we don't want

1819
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 30: to do that.

1820
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 2: I love that from Terry Francona or I love that

1821
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 2: from Lance. I thought that was a great follow up question.

1822
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 2: The two things there. Number One, you've already seen it.

1823
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 2: Like the mentality and the conversation and the idea around

1824
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: the offense improving for the Reds this year is Marte

1825
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 2: is going to be in right field all year, mcclan's

1826
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: going to be a year removed from shoulder surgery, and

1827
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 2: Spencer Steer is going to be healthy. And while I

1828
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 2: agree those three things should help them, those three things

1829
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 2: are not three things you should be banking on. You

1830
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 2: should be going and getting another bat. The language and

1831
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 2: the word that Frank Kona used there specifically was should

1832
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 2: help us. He also just said it We're probably not

1833
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 2: going to score a lot of runs. That doesn't sit

1834
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 2: right with me. You know, if we want to talk

1835
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 2: about how the Reds or if we're don't talk about

1836
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 2: how the Bengals should aggressively pursue a championship and how

1837
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 2: they should surround Joe Burrow with the best and how

1838
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 2: they should build their defense and how they should put

1839
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 2: all their chips in the middle of the table and

1840
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 2: go after it and go all in. It should be

1841
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 2: the same way with the Reds, now on the defensive

1842
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 2: and pitching side of the ball or on that side

1843
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 2: of the fence. I guess you could say they have

1844
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 2: been very, very good and they've addressed it, and the

1845
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 2: bullpen is better and their defense is better, and that's

1846
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 2: all well and good, But how much does that matter

1847
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 2: if you cannot score runs? And I hate that that's

1848
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,759
Speaker 2: already the mentality. Oh well, if we're healthy, we'll be fine.

1849
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 2: Those guys should help us, and we know we're not

1850
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 2: going to score that many runs, but we won't make

1851
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 2: outs on the base pass and we'll pitch and play

1852
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 2: good defense. Well, how about you score some runs. Let's

1853
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 2: do that. It's just already kind of setting it up,

1854
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 2: and it just it bothers me a little bit that

1855
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 2: that's the organizational mentality in the philosophy. Speaking of that,

1856
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 2: Terry Francona talked about now being a year into this

1857
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 2: thing and how he's feeling being the Reds manager and

1858
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 2: working in conjunction with the Reds front office.

1859
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 30: You know what's nice for me is I'm a year

1860
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 30: into it now, and I feel better about the people

1861
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 30: I'm around because there's always a little honeymoon period.

1862
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 10: Yep.

1863
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 30: I love the people I work with and work for,

1864
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 30: and I get a big kick out of trying to

1865
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 30: figure things out and seeing how we're going to succeed.

1866
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 4: What are the The question I get asked most day

1867
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 4: to day with the Reds is the lineup in the

1868
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 4: batting order. What goes into And we only have two minutes,

1869
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:55,799
Speaker 4: so I'm not asking you to do a whole speech

1870
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 4: on it, but in general terms day to day, let

1871
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 4: fans know what goes into your process of putting together

1872
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 4: a batting order in the simplest terms anyway, because it

1873
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 4: gets really deep.

1874
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 18: No.

1875
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 30: You know, back in my day, the fastest guy let

1876
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 30: off and they didn't care if he got on base

1877
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 30: or not. But if he was fast, well, I want guys.

1878
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 30: I don't want a base clogger up there. I don't

1879
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 30: want guys that can get on base. So you have

1880
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 30: the guys in the middle of the order that can

1881
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 30: hopefully drive them in. One of my biggest challenges is

1882
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 30: we have TJ leading off and we have Elliott and

1883
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 30: third is getting the right in between them, so we

1884
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 30: don't give the opposing team a free inning where they

1885
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 30: bring in a lefty and it. So there's things like

1886
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 30: that that you try to think about. And then down

1887
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 30: at the bottom of the order, we can be a

1888
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 30: little more aggressive with guys running because they're at the

1889
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 30: bottom of the.

1890
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,719
Speaker 4: Order, and they added element. I think it's lost at times.

1891
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 4: There are guys who might be a little bit digged.

1892
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 4: There's guys who might not have a good matchup. There's

1893
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 4: guys who you need to get a day off. I mean,

1894
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 4: that's all part of the process, isn't it.

1895
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 30: Yeah, And you know what, and it's it's part of

1896
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 30: the fun. I mean, I'm a huge Arizona basketball fan.

1897
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 30: Past I've yelled at Loud Olsen, Tommy Lloyd. It's just

1898
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 30: become a fan. I get it. When you're a fan,

1899
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 30: you're supposed to be passionate. Why is he doing that?

1900
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 30: But I have learned if you manage like a fan,

1901
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 30: you'll end up being a fan. And I don't want

1902
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 30: to do that. I want to keep my job.

1903
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 2: Terry Francona with Lance McCallister on Friday night at Red's Fest.

1904
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 2: A couple of things from there. Number One, it seems

1905
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 2: like TJ. Friedel is pretty much slated to be the

1906
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 2: leadoff hitter again, that Ellie Da la Cruz is pretty

1907
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 2: much slated to be the two hole hitter again, and

1908
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 2: that they're looking for a good right handed bat to

1909
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 2: be that guy in between them. I think if you

1910
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 2: would have asked them what the plan was and what

1911
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,680
Speaker 2: they wanted it to be last year, they would have

1912
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 2: put Matt McClean in that position, and they tried it

1913
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 2: for a while, but McClain just wasn't good enough at

1914
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 2: all offensively, more on him in a moment. They tried

1915
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 2: Santiago Espinov for a while. That was horrible. Spencer Steer

1916
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 2: maybe is the best answer there. I want that person

1917
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 2: that has the ability to drive in runs and get

1918
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,719
Speaker 2: on base. I want them up as many times as possible.

1919
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 2: And that's why I think McClain should be the lead

1920
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 2: off hitter and Ellie should be batting second, and then

1921
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 2: you figure out the rest. But Francona seems to be

1922
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 2: married to the idea of TJ. Friedl gets on base,

1923
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 2: that's all well and good. Ellie's going to be the

1924
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 2: guy to knock those guys in. Just got to find

1925
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 2: that right handed bat. And that was also indicative of

1926
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 2: how how much there's how little confidence there is. And

1927
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,799
Speaker 2: Ellie de la Cruz is a right handed hitter because

1928
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 2: of the idea of bringing in a left hand or

1929
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 2: a left handed hitter, a left handed pitcher, as mark

1930
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 2: as Francona mentioned there he said stuttering, so I thought

1931
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 2: that was interesting. He also made note that, you know,

1932
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 2: he's a year into it, he got through the honeymoon phase.

1933
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: He still really likes and believes in the Reds and

1934
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 2: the people that he works with. I think a lot

1935
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 2: of Reds fans we'll find that hard to believe. But

1936
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 2: I do think if Francona is willing to say that,

1937
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 2: I do think that that carries some weight, and I'm

1938
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 2: willing to be open minded about that, especially when it

1939
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 2: comes to working with Crawl and with Meta. I also

1940
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 2: want to talk about Matt McClain because he caught up

1941
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 2: with Lance McAllister as well, and he, to me is

1942
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 2: one of, if not the biggest stories going into spring

1943
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 2: training this year, is can Matt McClain look anything like

1944
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 2: he did in twenty twenty three, because this team actually

1945
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 2: could be pretty decent if he does. But that is

1946
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 2: a huge, huge If Lance asked him about how he's

1947
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 2: feeling and how he's looking ahead to twenty twenty.

1948
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 4: Six, how do you feel right now and how excited

1949
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:47,759
Speaker 4: are you to turn the page into a twenty twenty

1950
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 4: six season.

1951
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

1952
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 4: I feel great.

1953
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 11: You know, it's been kind of the first off season

1954
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 11: where I haven't been rehabbing something, so to be able

1955
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 11: to get some time off, you know, go over some

1956
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 11: stuff and be able to work on stuff as opposed to,

1957
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 11: you know, trying to get the body right. Obviously I'm

1958
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 11: trying to get the body right, but you know what

1959
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm not rehabbing an old injury. So it's

1960
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 11: been great and I'm looking forward to spring training. I'm

1961
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 11: I'm ready to go.

1962
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 4: When you struggle like you did at times last season,

1963
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 4: how challenging is that mentally when you've experienced success so

1964
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 4: much in your life, what was that? What were the

1965
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,799
Speaker 4: hurdles like mentally last season?

1966
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, it wasn't fun, but you know you got, like

1967
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 11: like I said, with the experience earlier, you know, you

1968
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 11: got to use it. It's only a failure if you

1969
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 11: don't learn from it. So I'm looking to take a step.

1970
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 11: But I would give myself a little grace, especially in

1971
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 11: the first half, you know, after missing a full year.

1972
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 11: People have told me, Hey, it's really hard be patient

1973
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 11: with yourself. Don't be too tough on yourself, and it's

1974
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 11: really hard not to be. But I just want to

1975
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 11: stay levelheaded the whole time, and and you know, whether

1976
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 11: it's button a guy over in the eighth inning or

1977
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 11: trying to score on a sack fly, trying to help

1978
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:46,799
Speaker 11: win the team win anyway.

1979
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 4: See, I think that's a great point. And I can't

1980
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 4: kind of think that speaks to you because I would

1981
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 4: think sometimes when when there's a struggle, you want to

1982
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 4: try to hit the five home run and do something spectacular.

1983
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,600
Speaker 4: Doing little things wins baseball games, does it?

1984
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 12: No doubt.

1985
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 11: Any time you can help the team win the game,

1986
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 11: you know you're going to be around, so yeah, help

1987
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 11: the team win.

1988
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 2: Matt McClain with Lance McAllister, he brought up a good point.

1989
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 2: The last year was rehabbing his shoulder. Before that was

1990
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 2: rehabbing that oblique injury and the other stuff that went south.

1991
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 2: This is an opportunity for Matt McClain to have a

1992
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 2: full off season where he gets to work on his

1993
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 2: swing and not be rehabbing an entire an old injury.

1994
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 2: And I think that's important and I think it was interesting.

1995
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,639
Speaker 2: Charlie Goldsmith wrote in his piece from Redsfest as well

1996
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 2: that Matt McClain has added twelve pounds, He's bulked up

1997
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,719
Speaker 2: a little bit and so that's good news for his regiment.

1998
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:44,799
Speaker 2: And obviously, when you have a shoulder injury, it's difficult

1999
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 2: to lift, it's difficult to put on muscle. That he's

2000
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 2: able to get to that point is really important. He

2001
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 2: seems to have a good attitude about that. But again,

2002
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 2: we are putting in shifting expectations and putting a lot

2003
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 2: of it now on Matt McClain. Okay, shoulder injury is done,

2004
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 2: He'll get back to his old self. I hope so.

2005
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 2: And if you spend all off season you're not rehabbing,

2006
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 2: you're working on your tweaks and working on your swing.

2007
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 2: And he talked about wanting to be more closed so

2008
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 2: he can drive the ball the other way. That's all

2009
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 2: well and good, but you got to produce. And I

2010
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 2: think I just don't have a lot of patience. And

2011
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 2: I think that's maybe why I'm a little cynical going

2012
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 2: into this baseball season, is because I need to believe.

2013
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 2: I need to see it to believe it. And I

2014
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,719
Speaker 2: just feel like a lot of weight is being put

2015
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 2: on stuff that could happen or might happen, or should happen,

2016
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 2: instead of stuff that we know will happen. And I

2017
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 2: guess that's life in and of itself when you really

2018
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 2: look at it. Lance also brought up a good point.

2019
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot of data out there, whether it's a

2020
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:49,799
Speaker 2: Baseball Savant page or a swing metric or a plane

2021
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 2: or all these different stuff that you can look at

2022
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 2: as a hitter. He asked Matt McClain about how much

2023
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 2: information do you really want, especially when you're struggling to

2024
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 2: try to get out of a slump and turn yourself

2025
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 2: in to a more consistent hitter.

2026
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 11: You want to be able to have enough information to

2027
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 11: where you can dumb it down for yourself. That's what

2028
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 11: I've learned in my career so far.

2029
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 4: I got a lot to learn, but.

2030
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 11: As much information for me, it's what's his fastball do

2031
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 11: and what's his outpitch and kind of the break on it.

2032
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 11: And you know, now you have the trajet machine, which.

2033
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard about.

2034
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 11: You can throw a guy up there so you can

2035
01:48:22,479 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 11: watch some of his pitches and it's not exactly the same,

2036
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 11: but it's the best you're gonna get. But basically trying

2037
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 11: to learn what's best for you so you can be

2038
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 11: simple and have a simple plan and go execute the plan.

2039
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 4: Talk to me about the word has used a lot,

2040
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:41,679
Speaker 4: the process, and I think sometimes an zero for four

2041
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 4: can be a poor for four or oh for four

2042
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 4: can be four line drives. Talk to me about sticking

2043
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 4: to the process and just you can only control so

2044
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 4: much as a hitter.

2045
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 11: Yeah, no doubt, you know. I think hitting's the toughest

2046
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 11: thing to do in the world. I think a lot

2047
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:58,759
Speaker 11: of people would agree with that. A lot of baseball

2048
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 11: players would agree with that. So it's about sticking to

2049
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 11: the approach of you know, swinging out of the pitches

2050
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 11: you want, having a plan going up to the plate

2051
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 11: and executing that plan. Get a ball hard right out

2052
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 11: of guy, Yeah, and you're out. That's baseball.

2053
01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this group and last season, and I know some

2054
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 4: faces have changed this offseason, but it seemed like a

2055
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 4: group that I know it's cliche, but enjoyed playing together.

2056
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 4: Is there? And when you're around each other for one

2057
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty two games and going back to spring training,

2058
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,719
Speaker 4: how important is it to have a group? And maybe

2059
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 4: it's the chemistry word, and how important is that?

2060
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 11: It's very important? You know, and you can feel it

2061
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 11: when when a team is disconnected versus connected. And I

2062
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 11: would consider us a very connected team. And it starts,

2063
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 11: you know, just by Nick and Brad doing a good

2064
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,559
Speaker 11: job of bringing in the right guys. Yeah, followed up

2065
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 11: by us taking control of you know, having fun. You know,

2066
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 11: it's a long season. You gotta have fun. It starts

2067
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 11: in spring training, you know, golf for dinner somewhere just

2068
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 11: you know you're on the road, go to dinner, stuff

2069
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 11: like that.

2070
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 4: But we got a great group I talked with when

2071
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 4: Terry was up here. We talked about you and his

2072
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:04,799
Speaker 4: appreciation for you. He mentioned being stubborn because he thinks

2073
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 4: so much of you, and you he had your back

2074
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 4: the whole season. You you weren't sent down, You weren't

2075
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 4: you know, what did it mean to have the belief

2076
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 4: while you were struggling from this organization?

2077
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I think he said it great. You know,

2078
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 11: the confidence that they showed me and that they have

2079
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,760
Speaker 11: in me, I love obviously.

2080
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 12: But I got to continue to earn it.

2081
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 4: You know, I gotta get better.

2082
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 11: I gotta take the next step and I know that

2083
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 11: and I'm looking forward to it. But like it's great.

2084
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 2: Matt McClain was some good stuff with Lance mccowister from

2085
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 2: Friday Night at Redsfest. We'll take a break, we'll come back.

2086
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 2: We've got more Reds to get to, and we've got

2087
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:43,759
Speaker 2: some phone calls. We've got Scott, Eddie, Ian and maybe

2088
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 2: you five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty on

2089
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty. Great song

2090
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 2: right here, always good bumper music. When Drewbie's in charge,

2091
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Come back in Tony Pike, Sincy three six on ESPN

2092
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:06,440
Speaker 2: fifteen to thirty one. Most to know more been talking Reds.

2093
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 2: We'll take some phone calls on the Reds and others.

2094
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 2: Let's start with Eddie in Green Township. Eddie was at

2095
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 2: Red's Fest. What's up, Eddie?

2096
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 31: H not too much? Not too much? Austin, how are

2097
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 31: you doing? Did you I get the Red Cress last weekend.

2098
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,759
Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. I was there for a couple of hours

2099
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 2: on Friday and I had a great time.

2100
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 31: That's great. Saturday, I had a great time as well.

2101
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:28,080
Speaker 31: Have to talk about people, meet a lot of people,

2102
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 31: ask questions, hopefully get some answers. But I wanted to

2103
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 31: talk about the Reds a little bit. I know we're

2104
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 31: still two months away from opening day, sure, so they

2105
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 31: could still make a trade or something, you know, but

2106
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 31: I think bet NNGM had him an eighty one and

2107
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 31: a half wins I believe was the number that came

2108
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 31: out of by a week or so ago. As of

2109
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 31: right now, I actually have to go under on that.

2110
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,640
Speaker 31: And the reason I say that, I don't mean to

2111
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 31: be negative or pessimistic. It's like me and you were

2112
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 31: always talking about the Reds bad, and I don't want

2113
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 31: to be I love baseball, love the Reds, but we

2114
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 31: just know what this team is and does at every

2115
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 31: single years. Me and you've been Red fans. So I

2116
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 31: just feel like they lost a couple of key pieces.

2117
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 31: Uh I'm not key pieces, but like some of their offense.

2118
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 31: They lost Austin Hayes, they lost Miguel Aguilar, they lost.

2119
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:21,680
Speaker 32: The traded Gavin looks Away.

2120
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 31: And I feel like the guys that they went out

2121
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 31: and got J. J. Boudet and Dane Myers, I feel

2122
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 31: like those guys aren't better than those three guys, nor

2123
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:33,640
Speaker 31: are they even like the same that makes sense, Like

2124
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 31: they're not as good as them or the same as them.

2125
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 31: So I feel like the offense got worse and you're leading,

2126
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 31: they're gonna be leaning heavily, heavily on the pitching. I

2127
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 31: know the pitching was good, the rotation looks great, the

2128
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 31: bullpeny looks like it might be better. But you're asking a

2129
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 31: lot for the pitching again to be like near perfect

2130
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 31: again like it was last year. Remember we had we

2131
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 31: had those games we're watching and we felt like if

2132
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 31: the Reds, just if the pitching game up, maybe one

2133
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 31: to run or two runs in the game, the game

2134
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 31: was over.

2135
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 33: The Reds.

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Speaker 31: We're not gonna score a three runs to win.

2137
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 2: That game or run that game.

2138
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 31: A lot of one nuts and games, a lot two

2139
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 31: to one games, and you can't. You can't. That's unrealistic

2140
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 31: to expect the pitching to be that great again. And

2141
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 31: the offense I feel like got a little bit weaker.

2142
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 31: And I still feel like they need a bat. They

2143
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 31: need a right handed bat. I don't know who that

2144
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 31: may be, if they need to make a trade for

2145
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 31: somebody or I don't know where that money went they

2146
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 31: were gonna give Kylee Schober, they just disappeared. So they

2147
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 31: started sitting on it and just with it made up

2148
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 31: money they were gonna they do colle for wasn't gonna

2149
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 31: sign at along with a you know, like a tactic

2150
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 31: or something to get the fans and say, yeah, they're

2151
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:38,759
Speaker 31: gonna go out and spend money. If you're not gonna

2152
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 31: do it this year, then when are you gonna do it.

2153
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 31: You have Terry from Cunner for what two more years?

2154
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 31: You have Elie for maybe two more years if you're lucky.

2155
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:48,400
Speaker 33: Uh.

2156
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 22: Yeah.

2157
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 31: The division, I feel like it's still winnable. I know

2158
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 31: the Cubs probably the favorite to win it right now.

2159
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 31: The Cubs and the Brewers. I always I never cut

2160
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 31: the Brewers now. The Brewers could be gone out to

2161
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 31: trade everyly away, they'd still be good. I'm never gonna not.

2162
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 31: I count the Ruors out. But that's just where I'm

2163
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 31: Matt Austin eighty one and a half wins. I'm going

2164
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 31: under right now until they get it back, they get

2165
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 31: to get at bat that I'm going to change my opinion.

2166
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Eddie, Eddie, thank you for the phone call. You

2167
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 2: make a lot of good points, and I know a

2168
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 2: lot of Reds fans would agree with you as well.

2169
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 2: And I'm right there with you, I mean offensively. I

2170
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:21,000
Speaker 2: just I struggle to see how it's going to work

2171
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 2: unless there's a magical turnaround. For all those guys I

2172
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, and that might be possible, but I think

2173
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 2: it's too much to bank on, just like it's too

2174
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 2: much to bank on the pitching being perfect every single

2175
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 2: night for what it's worth. John Hayman reported earlier today

2176
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 2: that Miguel Anduhar, who the Reds acquired at the trade

2177
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 2: deadline at the end of last year, is drawing significant

2178
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 2: interest from teams across baseball, including the Rangers, Padres, Cardinals, Cubs, A's,

2179
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 2: and Reds. So it seems like the Reds are back

2180
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 2: in on potentially getting a right handed outfield bat who

2181
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,160
Speaker 2: was wonderful last year for the Reds had a three

2182
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 2: to eighteen batting average eight to twenty t to ops

2183
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 2: all together, and Reds are apparently interested in him. But yeah,

2184
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. I think, you know, eighty

2185
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 2: one and a half is just about right. I just

2186
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 2: don't see this club being above and beyond that in

2187
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 2: the National League. Let's go to Louisville and talk to Scott.

2188
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:26,959
Speaker 2: What's up, Scott? Scott? Are you there? Scott? And Louisville

2189
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 2: going once? Going twice? Thank you, Scott. Let's go to

2190
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 2: Ian in Cincinnati. What's up?

2191
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 32: Ian, Hey, what's up guys? Two parter It'll be short one.

2192
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:45,680
Speaker 32: I'm doubling down on the collar that just talk, man,

2193
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 32: I mean we all pretty much Reds fans that know

2194
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 32: what's going on have a general feeling that's the same.

2195
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 32: I would say at this point, it's kind of like

2196
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 32: a bull of cereal that's been in there for three years.

2197
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 32: You know, it's it's really ridiculous. And uh he said

2198
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 32: something earlier that just triggered me, man, like, yeah, the

2199
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 32: uh offered l Ellie that contract. Well, if that's what's

2200
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 32: gonna happen, and you have this pocket of pitching that

2201
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 32: you have, which is kind of special in my opinion,

2202
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 32: but it can't be fully special and fully you know,

2203
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 32: realize unless you round it out. And if you're if

2204
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 32: you're just gonna try to get Andrew Harror, not really

2205
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 32: you know, go for somebody. I mean, this is a

2206
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 32: perfect example of why someone else should buy the team.

2207
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 32: You know, Bob should talk to the guys at the

2208
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 32: Chemic Country Club and make a swap or something, because

2209
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 32: I don't know, man, it's just so ridiculous, Like I

2210
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 32: lose my words. I get I could say something better

2211
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 32: when I'm before I'm talking to you, but I get

2212
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 32: so upset because it's like, you have an opportunity and

2213
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 32: he's just gonna you just want to have a team,

2214
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 32: to just have it to make a little money, Like

2215
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 32: why don't you just sell fruit, like you know that's

2216
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 32: your backer business. It just doesn't make sense to me.

2217
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ian, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it.

2218
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 2: I know a lot of Reds fans feel that frustration,

2219
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 2: and especially it was made a lot worse by the

2220
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:33,959
Speaker 2: Schwarber stuff and the idea that you know, we'll get Schwarber,

2221
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 2: but it's only because he could sell tickets and the

2222
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 2: fact that that made it out there and that became

2223
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:44,520
Speaker 2: national news. That reflects poorly on the ownership group, it

2224
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 2: flat out because it makes it feel like winning is

2225
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 2: not your top priority. And so a lot of Reds

2226
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 2: fans feel that way. And I would love to know,

2227
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 2: you know, for a guy like Emilio Pegan, who has

2228
01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 2: spoken so highly of this organization, who has you know,

2229
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 2: done a lot to come back and has worked hard

2230
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 2: and has recruited for this team, I wonder what his

2231
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 2: reaction was when that news came out that the Reds

2232
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 2: were really only trying to sell tickets. To me, that's

2233
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 2: so insulting to the rest of the guys on the team.

2234
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 2: And you know, if they fail offensively again this year,

2235
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 2: if they struggle really, really badly, then the conversation goes

2236
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,400
Speaker 2: back to that, well, they could have they may have

2237
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:32,560
Speaker 2: tried it, and maybe it was never actually realistic, but

2238
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 2: still it was not something that was ever taken seriously

2239
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 2: by the organization. Whether it was Kyle Tucker or Kyle

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01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 2: Schwarber or Alex Bregman, it didn't matter. And that's what

2241
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of Reds fans are understandably upset about.

2242
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to Drew in Cincinnati.

2243
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 26: What's up, Drew, Hi, Hello and welcome.

2244
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 2: Well done. Shout out to George Grant.

2245
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 26: I I wanted to talk a little Matt McClain, but

2246
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 26: it also got me thinking about Tyler Stevenson. I am

2247
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 26: a Matt McClain.

2248
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 31: Forgiver like you are for Zach Taylor.

2249
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:18,560
Speaker 26: I constantly told my friends throw Matt McClain parlay home

2250
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:20,720
Speaker 26: run on on their slips last year.

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01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 32: Never hit, always a.

2252
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:28,440
Speaker 26: Lot of donations, but I kept buying in. I kept believing.

2253
01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 26: But the reason is is, do you remember a couple

2254
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 26: of years ago, Tyler Stevenson. Everyone you know MO and

2255
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 26: everyone's like, you know, this guy's this guy is gonna

2256
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 26: be our future. We're going to build around him. You know,

2257
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:44,839
Speaker 26: the residues just focused building around Tyer Stevenson. I never really.

2258
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 31: Bought into it.

2259
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 26: I never thought he was going to be our future.

2260
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 26: And then I think he kind of showed more of

2261
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 26: like middle of the pack of what type of player

2262
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 26: he was as the as the year went on and

2263
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:01,240
Speaker 26: the year after that. With Matt McAll though, what I saw,

2264
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:03,440
Speaker 26: I know that was not a flash in the pan.

2265
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:06,400
Speaker 26: There's no way you can tell me that he wasn't.

2266
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:11,000
Speaker 26: I think I've been through injuries and I know how

2267
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:12,880
Speaker 26: they linger and how they affect you and how they

2268
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,680
Speaker 26: slow down your swing. And he was constantly battling that,

2269
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:20,879
Speaker 26: hearing that interview that he had, and actually I truly

2270
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 26: believe I could see Matt McClain having a great year

2271
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:28,320
Speaker 26: if that happened, I think this team has no limit,

2272
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:31,680
Speaker 26: the skies the limit with his team. I just do

2273
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:35,080
Speaker 26: you think what we saw out of Matt McClain is

2274
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 26: a better stable size of what he truly is last year,

2275
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:41,160
Speaker 26: or do you think the great year he had two

2276
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:43,120
Speaker 26: years ago. Is a better stable size of the player

2277
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 26: he is.

2278
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:46,880
Speaker 2: Man, that's a great question, Drew, thank you for the

2279
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 2: phone call. I think you know he was at an

2280
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:53,240
Speaker 2: all star level his rookie season. He had a war

2281
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,839
Speaker 2: of almost four. I think he had like sixteen homers,

2282
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 2: fifty runs batted in, and he did that in just

2283
02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:03,120
Speaker 2: eighty nine games. I don't know if he's that type

2284
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:05,360
Speaker 2: of player over the course of the Big one sixty two.

2285
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:08,200
Speaker 2: But even if you're one or two notches below that,

2286
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,960
Speaker 2: you're a really good big league player. You have a

2287
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 2: significant role, and in a ballpark like Great American Ballpark,

2288
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 2: can easily hit twenty or twenty five home runs and

2289
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:20,240
Speaker 2: change the trajectory of the entire team. And I think

2290
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:23,080
Speaker 2: if there's good players around you, like if Freedo's leading

2291
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 2: off and mcclein's hitting second and Ellie's right behind you,

2292
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:28,920
Speaker 2: that changes things. That makes you a better player as well.

2293
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 2: So I want to believe he can be the twenty

2294
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:35,080
Speaker 2: twenty three player. I don't think he's I definitely don't

2295
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:37,320
Speaker 2: think he's as bad as the twenty twenty five version

2296
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:41,400
Speaker 2: that we saw, and I would like to think that

2297
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:45,560
Speaker 2: he's more of an all Star level player than that,

2298
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:53,560
Speaker 2: And I just think I think it would be foolish

2299
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 2: to assume that he's going to be, you know, leading

2300
02:01:57,640 --> 02:01:59,840
Speaker 2: the league in home runs. It would be foolish to

2301
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:02,440
Speaker 2: assume that he's going to be leading the league in

2302
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,440
Speaker 2: strikeouts like he was a year ago. If you can

2303
02:02:05,560 --> 02:02:07,640
Speaker 2: just get that level of play that we saw in

2304
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:09,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three out of him and surround him with

2305
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:13,360
Speaker 2: the right people, the offense can take off. Let's try

2306
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 2: Scott in Louisville one more time. Hello, Scott, what's up?

2307
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:17,200
Speaker 28: Hi?

2308
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:17,680
Speaker 33: How are you?

2309
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm good? What's on your mind?

2310
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:25,000
Speaker 33: Just one point about tonight's National Championship game and a

2311
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:28,880
Speaker 33: quick Reds question. I haven't heard it mentioned too much

2312
02:02:28,920 --> 02:02:32,240
Speaker 33: in the Cincinnati media, but everybody seems to forget that

2313
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:35,760
Speaker 33: Sam Wish was I used coach head coach for one

2314
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 33: season before he got hired by the Bengals. Unfortunately were

2315
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:41,880
Speaker 33: you know, they were only three and eight, But that's

2316
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,680
Speaker 33: where Sam Weish got his first head coaching job.

2317
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,000
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, I hadn't really heard that mentioned. I

2318
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 2: don't even think I knew that, but yeah.

2319
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 33: Well I'm old, so I do remember it. What living

2320
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 33: in Louisville. One thing I've tell you know, I've watched

2321
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:01,480
Speaker 33: the Bats roster and say, what the Redsids sit down,

2322
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 33: But I'm curious with what they're going to do with

2323
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 33: Chase Burns and Brett Louder if they're both healthy. U

2324
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:11,160
Speaker 33: are they going to try to go with a six

2325
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:14,320
Speaker 33: man pitching rotation? Are they going to send one down?

2326
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 33: How are they? I haven't didn't really hear anything about

2327
02:03:17,560 --> 02:03:20,120
Speaker 33: a Reds fest on how they're going to handle those,

2328
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,640
Speaker 33: and then also what they're going to do with Cees.

2329
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:25,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Scott, thanks for the call. Answer that the best

2330
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 2: that I can. Uh. I don't believe that there are

2331
02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 2: any plans to go to a six man rotation. I

2332
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:33,560
Speaker 2: think it's going to be at least going into spring

2333
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:38,360
Speaker 2: training Chase Chase Burns as that last starter, or really

2334
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:45,320
Speaker 2: it's going to be because it's it's Lodolo Abbot Green Singer,

2335
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 2: and then it's it's Burns, and I would imagine Louder

2336
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 2: will probably start in triple A just because of the

2337
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 2: inexperience over the last couple of years. I think Brandon

2338
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 2: Williamson's an interesting name that's in that mix as well. Ces.

2339
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:01,600
Speaker 2: I just think he's got a long way to go

2340
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:03,840
Speaker 2: before he's a big league player again, and they would

2341
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:05,400
Speaker 2: love for him to be that guy, but I just

2342
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:08,600
Speaker 2: don't know if he is. But you know, I know

2343
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:11,000
Speaker 2: that they're trying to figure out what's the best way

2344
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:14,280
Speaker 2: to stretch out Chase Burns and how exactly is Rehet

2345
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 2: Louder going to do. I know Charlie wrote about Rehet

2346
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:19,040
Speaker 2: Louder this week and said he's got no limitations, He's

2347
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,680
Speaker 2: had a full offseason, he pitched in the Arizona Fall League,

2348
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:24,840
Speaker 2: and that Chase Burns is trying to figure out how

2349
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:27,200
Speaker 2: to fully get his body ready to go two hundred

2350
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 2: innings in a season, which he's never done before. So

2351
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:32,720
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be Burns's job. And you know,

2352
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,200
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what the role for Louder would be,

2353
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 2: unless it's you know, later on in the event of

2354
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:40,560
Speaker 2: injuries or innings limits or what. But I think that's

2355
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:44,760
Speaker 2: an interesting one to watch as we get into spring training.

2356
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:46,480
Speaker 2: All Right, I'm way laid for a break. Let's take

2357
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:49,000
Speaker 2: a break. Let's come back. This is Tony Pike. Since

2358
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:55,200
Speaker 2: he three to sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty. I want

2359
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 2: to get to one last thing from Reds Fest that

2360
02:04:57,680 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 2: I found interesting. You just talking about the end of

2361
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:04,040
Speaker 2: the rotation and Brandon Williamson, the guy that we kind

2362
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 2: of forgot about. He was out just about all of

2363
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:10,200
Speaker 2: last year, had the surgery, and as in the end

2364
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:12,400
Speaker 2: of that twenty three season, had pitched pretty well for

2365
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 2: the Reds and it felt like a viable left handed option.

2366
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:19,360
Speaker 2: He had a really interesting interview with Lance McCallister on

2367
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:22,960
Speaker 2: Friday at Redsfest and he talked about how he's looking

2368
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:26,320
Speaker 2: for more velocity. Lance asked him, Okay, what happens between

2369
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:29,600
Speaker 2: now and you get to the first workout in spring

2370
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:32,120
Speaker 2: training at Arizona, Like, what are you working on? Here's

2371
02:05:32,160 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 2: his answer. I think it's really interesting.

2372
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:37,280
Speaker 34: Yeah, So on Tuesday, I'm actually going to a place

2373
02:05:37,320 --> 02:05:39,960
Speaker 34: called Maven in Atlanta. I'm gonna do a little biomechanical

2374
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:43,520
Speaker 34: analysis of my of my you know, pitching mechanics, and

2375
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 34: then I'm gonna basically throw bullpens in live vps and

2376
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:50,920
Speaker 34: just build up a little more and more try and

2377
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 34: make sure I'm fully ready to go.

2378
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:55,360
Speaker 4: Okay, now you got me excited talking about this this

2379
02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:58,160
Speaker 4: scanning stuff. Tell me, tell me what you're are you

2380
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:00,720
Speaker 4: looking for do you have a compare of what you

2381
02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:03,200
Speaker 4: look like extension and everything before and you're comparing it

2382
02:06:03,240 --> 02:06:04,440
Speaker 4: to now or what will you look for?

2383
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 34: Really, I'm looking for tips on velocity. You know, my

2384
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:16,240
Speaker 34: skill set is very much pitchability and like off speed bias,

2385
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,040
Speaker 34: and I'm trying to find a little more velocity. So

2386
02:06:19,400 --> 02:06:21,960
Speaker 34: going down there, I'm hoping that they can show me

2387
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:23,640
Speaker 34: a few things to help me throw a little harder.

2388
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:26,880
Speaker 4: Now see, now, I really am matriqued by this stuff

2389
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 4: because some guys there's a lot of information out there,

2390
02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:31,600
Speaker 4: and some guys, you know, like clear the mechanism. I

2391
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:33,560
Speaker 4: don't want to know any of this. It sounds like

2392
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:36,160
Speaker 4: you really like that type of information.

2393
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:39,320
Speaker 34: Yeah, I would say I'm more of an internal pitcher

2394
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:41,760
Speaker 34: than most are. I could actually get more external I

2395
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:42,600
Speaker 34: think it could benefit me.

2396
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 4: But now explain that. I like that that's fastesting.

2397
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:48,560
Speaker 34: So I like feeling what I can control on the mound.

2398
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:50,560
Speaker 34: So I know I can control where my arm is.

2399
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,480
Speaker 34: I know I can control where the ball comes out,

2400
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:56,040
Speaker 34: where my foot lands. I can't. I do control where

2401
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:57,960
Speaker 34: the ball goes, but not really because if I could,

2402
02:06:58,040 --> 02:07:01,840
Speaker 34: I throw it there every time, so I try and

2403
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:06,000
Speaker 34: really think about feels, you know, where everything is feeling

2404
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:09,000
Speaker 34: in space and how the ball feels coming out. So

2405
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:13,000
Speaker 34: if I can have a little more knowledge on the

2406
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:17,640
Speaker 34: feels of what heart throwers feel, I already have the

2407
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 34: feel of what good pictures I get are good, you know,

2408
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:26,200
Speaker 34: pitchability type players have. So I'm trying to kind of

2409
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:28,760
Speaker 34: mesh with the other side and learn how to you know,

2410
02:07:29,120 --> 02:07:30,080
Speaker 34: grunt and throw hard.

2411
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:33,080
Speaker 2: Much like Lance. I'm fascinated by that sort of stuff,

2412
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:36,000
Speaker 2: and you know, to go to a lab in Atlanta

2413
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:38,440
Speaker 2: to try to figure out how to uptick the velocity.

2414
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:41,600
Speaker 2: I think that's just really fascinating stuff. And again part

2415
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:44,120
Speaker 2: of why I love those interviews from Redsfest to see

2416
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:47,280
Speaker 2: what guys are working out working on and I just

2417
02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:49,760
Speaker 2: like kind of nerding out on stuff like that. Maybe

2418
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:51,960
Speaker 2: tomorrow we'll get to the audio of TJ Antone just

2419
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 2: kind of ran out of time. It's really interesting, it's

2420
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:56,160
Speaker 2: worth the listen. We'll give you a few minutes of

2421
02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:58,360
Speaker 2: that tomorrow. But when we come back, it's time for

2422
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:01,880
Speaker 2: quick hits. I'll be joined by Chad Brindle. Chad in

2423
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:04,400
Speaker 2: for Moegar. This afternoon. We talked to him next on

2424
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:06,440
Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

2425
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 1: Now it's time for quick hits on Tony Pike since

2426
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:13,680
Speaker 1: he three sixty.

2427
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:18,200
Speaker 2: Welcome back in Tony Pike since he three sixty On

2428
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:23,320
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. No Tony Pike, though, no Mollegar this afternoon.

2429
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:26,840
Speaker 2: Instead joined for quick hits by Chad Brindle, who's in

2430
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:28,640
Speaker 2: the big chair from three to six. I'm keeping it

2431
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:30,440
Speaker 2: warm for you, Chad. It's cold out there.

2432
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:33,440
Speaker 35: Usually stay over there, but I know, I mean, how

2433
02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:35,080
Speaker 35: about the budget in this place? They gave you a

2434
02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:36,760
Speaker 35: producer now when Tony's off.

2435
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:38,920
Speaker 2: Well, I just said, hey, Drew, you want to come

2436
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:42,200
Speaker 2: in and he's like, yeah, So so they're not paying him? No,

2437
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:44,040
Speaker 2: I think they are, Okay, I hope saying you're not,

2438
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I'm not going to say anything.

2439
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:49,840
Speaker 12: What do you got?

2440
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:53,680
Speaker 2: What do you got coming up this afternoon on the show.

2441
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:55,160
Speaker 12: Chad, we're talking some bearcats?

2442
02:08:55,320 --> 02:08:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look man, it's it's it's been uh

2443
02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 2: our Are they off the edge now?

2444
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:03,160
Speaker 9: Is there there?

2445
02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 35: I mean they took a step back, like they can

2446
02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:08,720
Speaker 35: still see the edge. Sure, but they're not ready to

2447
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:10,240
Speaker 35: jump today.

2448
02:09:10,120 --> 02:09:12,280
Speaker 2: Right, But if they if they fall, they could still

2449
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:14,480
Speaker 2: or if they stumble, they could still fall off.

2450
02:09:14,280 --> 02:09:17,520
Speaker 35: Like a stiff breeze, they could be back over. I

2451
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:21,240
Speaker 35: get a edge, but but it's not often you beat

2452
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:22,640
Speaker 35: the number two team in the country.

2453
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:24,360
Speaker 2: Sure at home, right.

2454
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 35: More than anything awesome, I was glad for the fans,

2455
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:29,640
Speaker 35: of course, because it's like I always talk about it,

2456
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 35: It's like if you went to like a concert, and

2457
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 35: you paid an exorbitant amount of money for a concert

2458
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:37,680
Speaker 35: and the concert's stunk, and you're walking back to your

2459
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:38,919
Speaker 35: car like you're.

2460
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:39,480
Speaker 12: You're pretty mad.

2461
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not happy about it.

2462
02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:42,200
Speaker 35: There was a lot of that walking out of Fifth

2463
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:45,080
Speaker 35: Arena over the past couple of years. So I'm happy

2464
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:49,520
Speaker 35: the fans got to experience that, that buzz of walking

2465
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:51,800
Speaker 35: out of the arena after a big win, happy for

2466
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 35: the players, happy for Wes. Uh So, So we'll talk

2467
02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 35: about that and then you know, you just got to

2468
02:09:57,800 --> 02:09:58,920
Speaker 35: go play number one on the road.

2469
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,640
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, should be fine, you guys fine now, I mean,

2470
02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:03,680
Speaker 2: if you could beat two, you can be one, right.

2471
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:07,040
Speaker 35: Yeah, there's no real difference between what Arizona's doing and

2472
02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:08,120
Speaker 35: what I was stated.

2473
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:11,400
Speaker 2: They're gonna probably get killed.

2474
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:17,000
Speaker 35: So what we'll talk about that a lot of Reds.

2475
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:25,760
Speaker 35: Are we really surprised that their fix was the middle

2476
02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:26,400
Speaker 35: of the bullpen?

2477
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:27,760
Speaker 2: No?

2478
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:30,640
Speaker 35: Right, like we knew they weren't going to spend money

2479
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:36,600
Speaker 35: the maybe the easiest way to get some level of

2480
02:10:36,680 --> 02:10:41,920
Speaker 35: improvement is to spend medium dollars on medium help in

2481
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:45,280
Speaker 35: the middle of the bullpen, and that's what they did.

2482
02:10:46,360 --> 02:10:51,280
Speaker 35: But the problem is, my belief in this team has

2483
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:55,600
Speaker 35: not changed based on their off season maneuvers, because we

2484
02:10:55,720 --> 02:10:59,040
Speaker 35: all know they needed a power back and they have

2485
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 35: decided to not get one.

2486
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and and the people who cover this

2487
02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:08,680
Speaker 2: team seem to feel very strongly that they are going

2488
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:12,120
Speaker 2: to do something offensively between now and opening day seventy

2489
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:14,280
Speaker 2: three days from now. I just don't know if there's

2490
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:18,520
Speaker 2: anything that's gonna change how I feel. Austin Hayes, Miguel

2491
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:19,800
Speaker 2: andhar Is that going to change?

2492
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:23,320
Speaker 35: Oh yeah, it's the guy with the stick poking the debt.

2493
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:26,960
Speaker 35: They do do something, do something like, Okay, we think

2494
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:29,800
Speaker 35: they're going to do something, but what are the odds

2495
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:33,520
Speaker 35: that that's something is enough to move the needle for

2496
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 35: this team? They need a thirty home run bat in

2497
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,200
Speaker 35: the middle of the lineup. They're not going to pay

2498
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:42,840
Speaker 35: for one. No miss me on, Well, they freed up

2499
02:11:42,920 --> 02:11:46,560
Speaker 35: Gavin Lux's money. What thirty home run guy can you

2500
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:47,520
Speaker 35: get for Gavin.

2501
02:11:47,320 --> 02:11:49,160
Speaker 2: Luck extra two and a half million dollars?

2502
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:52,160
Speaker 12: I mean, what are we doing? Like I just.

2503
02:11:53,600 --> 02:11:58,280
Speaker 35: I've gone back to this a lot, Austin, you knew

2504
02:11:59,160 --> 02:12:03,400
Speaker 35: three years ago when you started this youth movement that

2505
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:06,640
Speaker 35: the action year was going to be this year, and

2506
02:12:06,680 --> 02:12:09,720
Speaker 35: then they all start hitting arbitration this year and next year.

2507
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:15,600
Speaker 35: You've had three years to prepare to spend this offseason

2508
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:19,760
Speaker 35: to maximize this young core and give them a shot.

2509
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:21,880
Speaker 35: And their response was.

2510
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:24,640
Speaker 12: We don't have any money. What have you been doing?

2511
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:28,560
Speaker 35: You should have been planning the past three years knowing

2512
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:32,560
Speaker 35: this is go time. This is the window wide open.

2513
02:12:32,600 --> 02:12:35,160
Speaker 35: These guys are all they've got an experience now, they've

2514
02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:37,920
Speaker 35: all played a bunch of games. They know you know

2515
02:12:37,960 --> 02:12:40,000
Speaker 35: what it is. They don't need to be shown the

2516
02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:43,440
Speaker 35: ropes and you go put a couple big pieces around

2517
02:12:43,480 --> 02:12:47,200
Speaker 35: them and then you set them free. And it still

2518
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:50,200
Speaker 35: feels like this offense is going to be caged. We

2519
02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:52,840
Speaker 35: are still going to be sitting here for five months

2520
02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 35: Austin talking about UP. It's third game in a row

2521
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:58,160
Speaker 35: they've scored two or less runs.

2522
02:12:58,360 --> 02:12:58,480
Speaker 10: Up.

2523
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:02,200
Speaker 12: I mean, do we think they're really going to go through?

2524
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:02,600
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2525
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean Francona said it to Lance over the weekend.

2526
02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:08,080
Speaker 2: He's like, we know we're not gonna score that many runs.

2527
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:11,400
Speaker 12: I heard him. I was in the car driving when

2528
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:12,000
Speaker 12: he said that.

2529
02:13:12,720 --> 02:13:14,120
Speaker 2: What All right?

2530
02:13:14,240 --> 02:13:16,720
Speaker 12: Yeah, so we're just normal it now?

2531
02:13:16,840 --> 02:13:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, go get them skip. Yes, we've but the team

2532
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:22,919
Speaker 2: he works with though one bat.

2533
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:25,080
Speaker 12: Yeah, one bat to hitting the three hole or the

2534
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:25,480
Speaker 12: four hole.

2535
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:27,840
Speaker 2: And we've been saying it for three years.

2536
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:31,120
Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean I get it when those guys were young, like,

2537
02:13:31,160 --> 02:13:36,240
Speaker 35: it's probably spending for something that's not gonna ultimately put

2538
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:37,000
Speaker 35: you over the top.

2539
02:13:37,360 --> 02:13:38,640
Speaker 12: But isn't this the year?

2540
02:13:39,680 --> 02:13:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought it was. Last year was supposed to

2541
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:44,360
Speaker 2: be the year. But either way, Yes, what I'm.

2542
02:13:44,280 --> 02:13:50,320
Speaker 35: Saying, this is your very minimalized window because guess what,

2543
02:13:50,440 --> 02:13:52,720
Speaker 35: in two years, all these guys are getting traded.

2544
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:55,280
Speaker 2: Yep, that's the way, that's the way it feels.

2545
02:13:55,560 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 35: So why aren't you in absolute go mode right now?

2546
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? God, I was gonna say, the National Championship Game

2547
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:10,120
Speaker 2: is tonight. Who you got Miami, Miami, Indiana just kidding?

2548
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:12,240
Speaker 2: Do you want Indiana to win?

2549
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:12,400
Speaker 30: No?

2550
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:15,160
Speaker 12: I think Indiana wins. I think Indiana is too funny.

2551
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:16,640
Speaker 2: What do you want to win?

2552
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:17,840
Speaker 12: I don't really care.

2553
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:23,400
Speaker 35: I mean, I guess for Keegan, who's an EU guy

2554
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:26,640
Speaker 35: is on my staff either, you guys.

2555
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:28,720
Speaker 2: I'm even more all in on Miami now now.

2556
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 35: I just I think the difference is Mendoza versus Beck.

2557
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:37,320
Speaker 35: I don't think Carson Beck can beat this. In their defense,

2558
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:38,000
Speaker 35: I agree with you.

2559
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:41,040
Speaker 2: Uh what else you got?

2560
02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:43,200
Speaker 12: Playoffs? Get into that.

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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott was canned today?

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Speaker 12: Why does.

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Speaker 35: Why does Josh Allen get a pass? Why is everybody

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Speaker 35: at this national media? Remember we had a thing the

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Speaker 35: national media lashed out about that lady being nice to

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Speaker 35: Liam Cohen, Yeah, and journalistic integrity. But then yesterday I

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Speaker 35: feel so bad for Josh Allen who said that Albert

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Speaker 35: Breer was one of them, like a lot of these

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Speaker 35: nash I feel so bad for Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: I do feel bad for Josh.

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Speaker 12: Why that's on him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, That's what I'm saying. Like I feel bad he

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Speaker 2: has to live with that. I mean, like if I

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Speaker 2: had I know, but like if I had all I'm

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02:15:25,200 --> 02:15:28,960
Speaker 2: saying is I'm being empathetic towards the moment in which

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Speaker 2: that hits you, that I screwed up and you just

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Speaker 2: have to live with it. Yeah, I'm not saying like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, Josh Allen deserves better and blah blah blah,

2579
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Speaker 2: like he it's his fault.

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Speaker 35: Like I recognize that, Like I feel bad for you

2581
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Speaker 35: because this used to be Sincy three sixty and now

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Speaker 35: it's Tony Pike's since.

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Speaker 12: He three sixty.

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Speaker 35: And that's through no fault of your own. Correct, it's

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Speaker 35: through a lot of fault of Josh Allen.

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Speaker 12: Fair.

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Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Like my analogy I do. I'm not I'm not allowed

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Speaker 2: to bring it up anymore. So when other people bring

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Speaker 2: it up. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 35: I feel terrible for you because you didn't do anything

2592
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Speaker 35: that facilitated that. Josh Allen. The window was wide open. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 35: he had to do was walk through it, and he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Like he's also like the understanding of like this may

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Speaker 2: never happen for me. Yeah, that's that's tough to live with.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just as a human, I know, but

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Speaker 2: as a human being. I just feel bad for him.

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Speaker 35: I've always wanted to be a millionaire, and at some

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Speaker 35: point realization.

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Speaker 2: He's got a beautiful wife, and he's got a kid

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Speaker 2: on the way, and he's got millions of dollars and

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Speaker 2: he'll have a statue outside that new stadium one day,

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Speaker 2: and that's all well and good.

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Speaker 12: I know he's gonna be all right.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be fine for him. But like in the moment, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that sucks.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, but it's but it's your fault.

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Speaker 2: Feel right, Do you feel bad for CJ. Strout? He

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Speaker 2: looked like he had seen a ghost on his way.

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Speaker 12: I mean he was, he had seen multiple ghosts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he was.

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Speaker 12: He was in the terror do like he was. He

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Speaker 12: was living a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chad Brindle speaking of a nightmare? Is coming

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Speaker 2: up right after you compliment, right after you compliment me. Geez,

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Speaker 2: Chad Brindle coming up for bowing this afternoon from three

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Speaker 2: to six mo. Will be for lansdown from six to

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Speaker 2: nine on seven hundred WLW. Tony Pike back tomorrow. My

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Speaker 2: thanks to Drew wester Heidi for producing this has been

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Speaker 2: Tony Pike since he three sixty on the home of

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Speaker 2: the Bengals ESPN. Fifteen thirty