1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: All right, we got to get Mitch Burger out of 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: here fast. He's got some duties, so we're gonna got 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: to do a quick five minutes with him. Segment two. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: You have a very good memory. Let me read you 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: the ap story from that Packer month that night game 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: that you mentioned. Despite five turnovers to none for green 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Bay and eleven penalties for one hundred and twenty nine yards, 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: the Vikings were in position to win it on Gary 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: Anderson's thirty three yard field goal attempt in a driving rain. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: On the final play of the fourth quarter, Holder Mitch 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Berger couldn't handle a poor snap by Mitch Palmer, and 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: Tyron Williams picked off Burger's desperation pass at the fives 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: time expired. Had Burger spiked the snap instead of jumping 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: up and rolling right, the Vikings would have had at 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: least three seconds left. 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: For another attempt. Here's the quote from you. 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: If I wasn't an idiot, I would have spiked the 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: ball to get another shot at it. For some reason, 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: it didn't cross my mind. So your memory is very good. 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: The quote is classic Mitch Berger, holding your accountable. And 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: that's the game where it was that freaky pass to 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: Antonio Freeman where Chris Dishman was started celebrating after he 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: deflected it, thinking it was incomplete. 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: Never hit the. 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: Ground, bounces off the back of Freeman's shoulder as he 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: rolls over, he tips it into his chest before he 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: goes to the ground, jumps up, fakes Robert Griffith out, 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: and goes into the end zone. 29 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: That was the game. 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well I'll give you know a little classic 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: Mitch Berger, which is, you know, I did always take 32 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 3: responsibility for things, even when they weren't totally my fault. 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: But the little guy with the number one on his 34 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: jersey never did. He should have slowed down and kicked it. 35 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: The hole got up in time, and he ran by 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: it because he didn't want to miss, and he instead 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: of trying to slow down and kick the ball. And 38 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: in the paper, then you stick up for your teammate 39 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: and you don't say that. Yeah, but that's the fact. 40 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: And he never number one never took responsibility for miss ever. 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: That's interesting here. 43 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: It was always looking for somebody else, and so yeah, 44 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: I mean that's I got. I got a few stories 45 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: of that, but yeah, no, that was me sticking up 46 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: for my teammates and sticking up for Mitch Palmer and 47 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: putting it on myself. But it was a tough snap 48 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: to hold. I'm not putting Mitch Palmer under the bus. 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: He didn't kick the ball. I'm not putting him under 50 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: the bus. That's not the way I was raised as 51 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: football player. But I'll tell you now a bunch of 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: years later, Yeah, he should have kicked the ball. 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: Should have kicked it. 54 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: Well, that's a very telling story about the mindset of 55 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: some kickers. 56 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: I got one more for you, too. I got one 57 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 3: more for you to real quick. I don't want to 58 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 3: be the one sitting here pumping down our receiver, our 59 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: dB saying they weren't very good. I sucked in that 60 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: Giants game. I think I had one good punt. I 61 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 3: told you earlier, when we talked earlier. Today, I had 62 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: one good punt and like five crappy ones. And so 63 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: I stunk in that game as well. So let me 64 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: let me not absolve myself. 65 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: Of anything either. 66 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 3: So you're going to have lots of good games for 67 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: the Vikings, but. 68 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: That wasn't one of them. 69 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: You got to get out of here about two minutes. 70 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: So let's bring it to today. What is the official 71 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: Mitch Burger position on how the Vikings should move forward 72 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. Are you fine with continuing to 73 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: nurture JJ and let him grow or do you Are 74 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: you in the group that says you got to bring 75 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: in a veteran as an option that's a viable option 76 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: to be a starting quarterback? 77 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: What do you think? 78 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think you got to bring one in if 79 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: you find the right one, not do it just to 80 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like I mean, 81 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: I loved what's the guys with the Colts now? 82 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones man. 83 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: I was wishing that he was going to stick around. Yeah, 84 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: the guy I was really wanting to stick around. And 85 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: Devn O'Connell. I still fully believe in him. And if 86 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: he thinks that our quarterback is what he thought he 87 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: was when he recruited him, you know, sometimes you miss. 88 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: But I don't say that that's the case yet. And 89 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: I trust in him, and I'm going to be honest 90 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: with you. I may be wrong when a bunch of 91 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: us may be wrong. But I didn't want I'm darnold back. 92 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: I didn't want to pay him all that money. I've 93 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: seen what he did in the playoffs. They've seen what 94 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: he did in the big games. I seen what he 95 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: did when it counted. And to me, it's not about 96 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: the regular season. It's what you do in the lights 97 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: of the brightest and I feel like he shrinks when 98 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: that happens. And with that being said, I like the decision. 99 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I agree. I might have been wrong 100 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 3: as well does and we'll see if he grows and 101 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: see if he gets better. You know, maybe you've got 102 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: to be in that position a few times and then 103 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: you grow. That happens a lot. Sam Darnold has a 104 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: chance to prove everybody wrong. 105 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: Mm. 106 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: That's the beauty of it. 107 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, they I think they clearly wanted Jones 108 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: to stay. 109 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: They made him a viable offer. 110 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: But I think he knew they wanted JJ to start, 111 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: just I should say JJ McCarthy to start. And he 112 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: knew if he went to Indianapolis that job was open 113 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: because Anthony Richardson had already been you know, their tours 114 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: I think two years, and they they were more I 115 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: think they were readier to actually, you know, allow someone 116 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: else perhaps to win the job. 117 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: I think that's what broke the tie on. 118 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: He's in that quarterback room too, and he sees what 119 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: Kevin thinks about our quarterback and he knows that he 120 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: wants them, so he can feel that he's the second 121 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: guy in the building exact. I mean, if you're gonna 122 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: get rid of a fourteen win quarterback, you're definitely get 123 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: rid of a guy that has zero wins for you. 124 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 5: Good point. 125 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: So he knew who had the upper hand on the 126 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: on the on the job, and that might make it 127 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 3: tough to get another guy in as well, because they 128 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: also might still quesh that and want to go somewhere 129 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: else so they have a better chance at the job 130 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: a place like Saint Pittsburgh where there's nobody with the job. 131 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, great point. 132 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: All right, Look, I don't want to make you late 133 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: for practice, so we'll let you go. 134 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: It's great to catch up with you. 135 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm reminded again why we should have stayed in touch 136 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more recently than this, so we might 137 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: we might bug you again. 138 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: Okay, it's fun talking football again. Yeah, it's it's I 139 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: just ordered a three wood cover Vikings cover so I 140 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: can think about the Vikings every day. 141 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: There you go, even better, Thanks Mitch. 142 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: Be Well, all right, thanks man, Mitch Berger, former Vikings 143 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: punter and kicker, with more of his usual He's never 144 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: stopped being honest. He's fun to have on. How about 145 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: Kevin Seffert. We're gonna get to him. 146 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 2: In a minute. 147 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: If you have questions for Seaffert, just text him in 148 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: with all the forty one donut memories which I am 149 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: shaving meantime, Fan. 150 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: Wants to give you a shots win Bonus Bucks. It 151 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: is our national cash contest and the keyword is pay. 152 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 4: Go to kfa in dot com and enter the keyword pay. 153 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 2: If I save forty one donut. 154 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Seffert, what's the first thing that comes into your mind? 155 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 6: The first thing is how I was not even settled 156 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 6: into my seat. I don't think I even had my 157 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 6: first bag of popcorn yet. 158 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 5: And the game was over. 159 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 6: It was fourteen and nothing with two minutes and thirteen 160 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 6: seconds into the game. And you have never seen a 161 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 6: more insurmountable fourteen point advantage than that one, based on 162 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 6: the energy in the stadium, the lack of energy on 163 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 6: the Viking sideline, and just the way they had gone 164 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 6: about that fourteen and nothing. Getting that fourteen and nothing 165 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 6: lead on the part of the Giants so that's my 166 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 6: biggest memory is just that I don't think I can 167 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 6: think of a single thing between fourteen and nothing, and 168 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 6: being in the locker room afterwards talking to Randy Moss 169 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 6: where he eventually had the infamous he's the one who 170 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 6: made up the term forty one donut. And it was 171 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 6: the weirdest press conference because I think Sean Jensen from 172 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 6: the Pioneer Press asked every single question because that was 173 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 6: just kind of the way Randy was. And I remember 174 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 6: being in that scrum, and I remember some Minnesota media members, 175 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 6: I think, changing their flights to be able to leave 176 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 6: early during the game because as it was, you know, 177 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 6: instead of going to Miami or wherever the Super Bowl 178 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 6: was going to be that year, they just went on home. 179 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 5: But it was uh. I still have never covered, certainly 180 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 5: a playoff. 181 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 6: Game where the outcome was so little in doubt so 182 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 6: early in the game. 183 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: The yeah, I think it was thirty four doughnut at half, yeah, yeah, 184 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: and then. 185 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 6: Then like it was like a running It was like 186 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 6: in youth sports when they have a running clock. At 187 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 6: the NFL, like there was a running clock in the 188 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 6: second half. 189 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: Well, I think the Giants had like an eleven minute 190 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: drive in the game. Yeah, because we just didn't seem 191 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: interested in doing anything about now any of it. 192 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: So is it? 193 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: You know, my recollection of that week, having also attended 194 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: that game, was the Vikings felt cocky that they it 195 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: was their game easily and that now I'm not saying 196 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: that's what caused him to play as poor as he did, 197 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: but I didn't think there was any fear or any 198 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: loathing about playing the New York Giants, even if the 199 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: game was in New York. 200 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they there was some of that. Frankly, some 201 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: of that. 202 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 6: You know, that was when Sid Hartman was still in 203 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 6: his heyday and Sid was writing it very confidently, and 204 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 6: I think people just were kind of building off of 205 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 6: that that, you know, Sid thinks they're gonna win. Sid 206 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 6: has you know, the connections that are telling him what 207 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 6: the what the matchups are going to be like. And 208 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 6: I do think that internally the Vikings thought they you know, 209 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 6: they were they had they started that year great. They 210 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 6: the second half of that year they were not quite 211 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 6: as competitive, but then they they really they think they 212 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 6: had New Orleans in the first playoff game and they 213 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 6: beat them pretty handily, and so they felt like they 214 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 6: were back on track, and they then they went to 215 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 6: New York and that's what happened. So they I think 216 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 6: internally they felt like they I don't remember sensing that 217 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 6: they felt any more confident than any team that I 218 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 6: think they were the number two seed that year would 219 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 6: feel going into play the NFC Championship game. But I 220 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 6: don't know that they were as outwardly confident as maybe 221 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 6: it might seem in retrospect. 222 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: It was interesting to hear Berger just destroy Gary Anderson. 223 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: Now my guess is it I did love it, and 224 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: my guess is Chris Carter would have loved it too 225 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: if he'd heard it. And the allegation basically was he's 226 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: talking about the Monday night game against the Packers in 227 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: the rain, which I didn't attend. You did, obviously, and 228 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: that that freaky finish where they had a chance to 229 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: win it at the end of regulation, and Burger admits 230 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: I panicked, I had trouble with the snap and I 231 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: just should have fallen on the ball because we still 232 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: had time to kick. Because we didn't, we didn't try 233 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: to feel a lot fourth down. I didn't think of it. 234 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: I was too stupid. 235 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 2: But what he's alleging is. 236 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: A more composed or dedicated kicker could have still tried 237 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: to make the kick, but that basically Anderson didn't want 238 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: to chance it because he didn't want to look bad. 239 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: It was a pretty direct allegation from Mitch Berger. 240 00:10:59,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 241 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 6: And you know, these these holds, they always say, these 242 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 6: holders and kickers are tightly connected. 243 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 5: And and I. 244 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 6: Was a young beat writer then, and I don't think 245 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 6: I picked up on the nuance of like, should should 246 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 6: Gary Anderson have kicked? Or was it a bad snap? 247 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 6: Was it a bad hold? 248 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: Uh? 249 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 6: You know, I know that burger. You know he had 250 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 6: been He's a he was a really good athlete. He 251 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 6: kicked long distance field goals for them. And I remember 252 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 6: like we all kind of were like, I bet he 253 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 6: liked the idea of throwing a touchdown pass to win 254 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 6: a game. You know, he's one of those kind of guys. 255 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 6: And so and the funny thing is, uh, and you 256 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 6: can ask your guy Robert Smith about this. 257 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 258 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 6: But what I recall is that once the dust had 259 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 6: settled from that game, in the locker room, and as 260 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 6: you know, Robert and and Mitch were and I think 261 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 6: are still tight. 262 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: Uh. 263 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 6: And so Robert Smith was jokingly calling Mitch Berger Lucy, 264 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 6: after the Peanuts character who always is holding for Charlie 265 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 6: Brown to kick and then picks up the snap at 266 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 6: the last second and makes him go. 267 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: So what Berger told us this time, I think it's 268 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: the same thing he told us last time we commemorated 269 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: forty one donut, which has been a while actually, but 270 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: I think the listeners demanded we do it this time. 271 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: It's twenty five years. 272 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 5: You'd be grudgingly. 273 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: I always listen to listeners. 274 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 5: Should know that, yes. 275 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: That in the second quarter as it approaches thirty four, 276 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: nothing at halftime, he is in. Mitch and Robert aren't 277 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: planning where are we going? Where are we going on 278 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: complication Austalia trip exactly. It the turnout to the Australia 279 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: trip because there was really nothing else to do at 280 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: that point. 281 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: As much as fans don't want to hear that. 282 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 6: No, and I'm always you know, that's funny you mentioned that, 283 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 6: because you know there's been you know, a lot of 284 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 6: these hard knocks NFL films is finding a new life 285 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 6: in these Hard Knocks shows on HBO, and it's always 286 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 6: funny when they show what people are talking about on 287 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 6: the sidelines or during practice. When you're on the field, 288 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 6: when you're covering a practice or you're watching a game 289 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 6: on TV, you just assume they're all talking about, like, Okay, 290 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 6: on the next play, you're gonna line up here, I'm 291 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 6: gonna line up here, and we're gonna run this and run. 292 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 6: And half the time they're talking about you know, the 293 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 6: what the weather, uh last summer on when they went 294 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 6: on a trip, or they're talking about, uh, you know, 295 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 6: where's the nearest Chipotle or whatever and so uh and 296 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 6: and there was just a one the Vikings did with 297 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 6: Jalen Redman where he was talking about, gosh, well there 298 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 6: was there was something that had nothing to do with 299 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 6: with the actual game. 300 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 5: I think the game had been decided. 301 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 6: There was another one with Justin Jefferson the other day 302 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 6: where he's looking for a ring that felt i mean 303 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 6: an ear ring that fell off and ty Chandler found it. 304 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 5: And so these people eat that stuff, I know. 305 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 6: But look, and like what I'm always like shocked by 306 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 6: is that football, like we all have this, like it's 307 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 6: so serious and there's the levels of complexity to the 308 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 6: schemes and everybody has to study and they're in meetings 309 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 6: all day and like gosh, there must they must have 310 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 6: to like talk through things all and then like they're 311 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 6: just looking, is there, just like anybody who's sitting at 312 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 6: a bar watching a game, talking about whatever it comes 313 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 6: to their mind. 314 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: Athletic fat guy has checked in. He writes Dan, I 315 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: was at forty one donut. I was on the field pregame. 316 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: By the time I got a hot dog and made 317 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: my way to my seat, it was already fourteen nothing. 318 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: It was in an instant I think within five minutes. 319 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: It was two minutes, and I think it's even less. 320 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: I think it was twelve. 321 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 6: I clipped the part of the box score that gets 322 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 6: to fourteen to nothing and put it on Twitter, And 323 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 6: I think the second touchdown was like twelve minutes and 324 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 6: forty seven seconds left in the first quarter. So if 325 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 6: people remember, the Giants get the opening kickoff, and they 326 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 6: go down the field in like four plays and they 327 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 6: score on like a forty yard pass, and then they 328 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 6: open the next kickoff, the Vikings fumble, Giants recover and 329 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 6: then score on the on the first play of their 330 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 6: second possession. So with like twelve minutes forty seven seconds 331 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 6: left in the first quarter, it's already fourteen nothing. 332 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm looking for the play by play. I can't find 333 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: any that sounds right. 334 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 5: I'm sure in my Twitter account. 335 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll never Yeah, I'm sure you'll never never forget. 336 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: I said, obviously there are games in Vikings histories that 337 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: are more devastating, but I think for sheer absurdity, given 338 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, getting humiliate to that degree as quickly as 339 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: they did against a very ordinary team with a very 340 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: ordinary starting quarterback, I don't think that could be topped 341 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: in Vikings history, do you know? 342 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 6: And like even and maybe and I don't know what 343 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 6: the stats are in terms of games, close games or not, 344 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 6: but like it just feels like in this particular era 345 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 6: of football, even if you know, if a team got 346 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 6: down fourth I mean the year the Bears were down 347 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 6: twenty one three I think in the fourth quarter, and 348 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 6: so like you're down fourteen nothing in the first quarter, 349 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 6: you don't like it's not over. Like the NFL is 350 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 6: not constructed that way right now, And. 351 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: Now you've just triggered Brett Blakemore, who's now bring up 352 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: I didn't have my back to you. I did not 353 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: know that. 354 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 5: I thought guards he was still there to Sorry, exchange 355 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 5: is taking place good enough. But and so I you know, 356 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: I don't like looking back on it. 357 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 6: I think probably the bit the surprising, and part of 358 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 6: it was just how uneventful the final Yeah, uh so 359 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 6: what would that have been? Forty you know, seven minutes 360 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 6: of the I mean fifty thirty seven minutes of the game, 361 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 6: because like in a championship game. And I just can't 362 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 6: even conceive that that the football script writers would allow 363 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 6: a game to be so uncontested for so at such 364 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 6: a high. 365 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Did you ever pursue, as a reporter or otherwise the 366 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, you know, which went on, which I actually 367 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: think was started because somebody with another team alleged in 368 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: another game during that Giant's run. 369 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 6: Dan Minnesota clipped the jud zelgads, Yeah, that's right. 370 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 371 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that the in fact, that was part of why 372 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: it was so one sided. You ever pursue that? Do 373 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: you think there was any validity to it? 374 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: No? 375 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 6: I got like that was it was like a Toronto paper, 376 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 6: Yeah that's mail and said that whoever the I forget 377 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 6: who it was, whoever the Giants had played in the 378 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 6: in the previous round YEP had alleged that, And I 379 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 6: looked into it to the extent of like, how could 380 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 6: you even do that, Like what would be the what 381 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 6: would be the the the circumstances where you could you 382 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 6: had some short wave radio or whatever the technology would 383 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 6: have been at the time to hear the signals or 384 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 6: you know, or to even be able to steal the 385 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 6: because I don't think like you know, I think the 386 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 6: Vikings offensive signals would have gone, but their defensive signals 387 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 6: weren't even electronic. I think I don't think that at 388 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 6: that time there's anything the green dot that everybody talks 389 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 6: about now, there was no defensive green dots. So I 390 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 6: think in those days that was the old where defensive 391 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 6: coordinators were doing the hand signals and or they if 392 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 6: they subbed somebody in, they could tell that. And so 393 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 6: I don't even I didn't even understand what radio signals 394 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 6: they could have been picking up. Now did they, you know, 395 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 6: did they know what the Viking's hand signals were? Like 396 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 6: did that helped out? And then did they use their radio, 397 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 6: you know, quarterback to make a play call based on that? 398 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 6: Like that wouldn't that's the same as like sign stealing 399 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 6: in baseball. We all agreed that that's not even really 400 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 6: cheating or whatever, and so I I remember being perplexed 401 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 6: about how like that would even like functionally have occurred. 402 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: I really believe that had legs because it seemed that 403 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: the preposterous, how one sided it was. So there's got 404 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: to be some other rational explanation that just goes beyond 405 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: you played this badly and let the giants play that way. 406 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 6: It certainly made sense when you see them slicing through this, 407 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 6: you know, the field, the way they did. 408 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: Eighty two plays to forty one. It's unbelievable. 409 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the present. On the Minnesota Vikings. 410 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: Seaffert is in studio, will pause here. I will save 411 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of the forty one donut texts for probably. 412 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 5: The five o'clock hour of the show. 413 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: Kessler is out sick this week, so we'll continue with 414 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: the Seaffert on the Purple. 415 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 7: If you want to chime to what's happening to your 416 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 7: favorite kfan shows, you can. 417 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 5: It's really easy. 418 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 7: You can make your voice heard on the Brad John 419 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 7: Bryant KFAM text line. So us don't you have to 420 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 7: say by texting your messages A six four six eighty 421 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 7: six at six four six eight six center text message 422 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 7: in data rights plot. 423 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: It was interesting to listen to Mitch Berger talk about 424 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: the current Vikings quarterback situation, and you know, I asked him, 425 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: all right, to you on board with what appears to 426 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: be the strategy, which is to try to bring somebody 427 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: in a veteran nature and he said, well, that depends 428 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: on who it is, yeah, which of course is true, 429 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: and it's not as easy as it sounds. And then 430 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: he brought up the name of Daniel Jones. He was 431 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: hoping Jones would have stayed, which is something you and 432 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: I talked about. He wrote about, Yeah, extensively, very recently 433 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: on that deal. So let me ask you, I don't 434 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: even know Daniel Jones contract situation. Is it insane to 435 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: consider him a possibility next year coming off that injury, 436 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: or is it just assumed that if he's going to 437 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: come back at all, he's going to come back with 438 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: the Colts where he had some success. 439 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 440 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 6: I think I think he's expected to be ready by 441 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 6: when the season starts, if not training camp. He had 442 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 6: a one year deal, so he could go to free agency. 443 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 6: They could franchise him if they want him to be 444 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 6: their starter, which at this very moment it's hard to 445 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 6: know who else would be the Colts starter. They might 446 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 6: end up just franchising him. There's it sounds as though, 447 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 6: based on their post season press conference that not only 448 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 6: is there a lot of interest, but sounded like from 449 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 6: ownership that there's some you know, it's it's time not 450 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 6: I don't know the owner talked about Daniel Jones, but 451 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 6: like the coach and the GM would be kind of 452 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 6: at the end of the of the of the stick 453 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 6: in terms of how much leeway they have to produce 454 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 6: a winner. And so if you're in a situation where 455 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 6: you got to win next year and you're not going 456 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 6: to bring back the veteran quarterback that got you most 457 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 6: of your wins the previous year, then that would be surprising. 458 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to get your jackal impression of what 459 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: the two chief brand Wizards said yesterday regarding the future 460 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position, because what I got Alec Lewis 461 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: joined us yesterday, it sounds like Alec Lewis took it 462 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: literally that they're definitely going to bring in competition. I 463 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: thought the rhetoric was two mealy mouthed even by their standards, 464 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: to where you could really declare that definitively, because I 465 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: still think they tried to play it. You know, KOC 466 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: tried to play it both ways. Well, more depth is 467 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, the more you have in the quarterback room, 468 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: the better, which is very different than saying we're opening 469 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: this baby up. It's wide open for competition. So how 470 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: did you interpret what they said? And what do you 471 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: think they really intend to do? 472 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 6: I mean, as best as I can tell and know 473 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 6: at this point, I feel like they're going to run 474 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 6: back the twenty to twenty five offseason plan, which is 475 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 6: to try to pair the guy they drafted number ten 476 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 6: overall with somebody who is good enough to start if 477 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 6: he's not, And that's what they why they thought they had. 478 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 6: They wanted Daniel Jones, and they put a lot of 479 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 6: work into it and thought that they would get him. 480 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 6: So I think that, you know, while I don't, I 481 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 6: could not find anyone and haven't found anyone to tell 482 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 6: me that they definitely don't want to like pursue a 483 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 6: Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson or whoever else might shake 484 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 6: loose in terms of just a guy that would absolutely 485 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 6: positively come in here as the as the unquestioned starter. 486 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 6: But it feels as though they're just gonna try to 487 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 6: do a better job of what they intended to do 488 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 6: last year and get someone who if JJ gets hurt 489 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 6: or if JJ has not made enough progress to their liking, 490 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 6: can give them a chance to to push this roster 491 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 6: in on a deep playoff run. 492 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: Do you believe again, if if you attached lie detector, 493 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, polygraph machine to them, or let's just say 494 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: to KOC, do you think in his mind he would 495 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: if he's being honest, even though we don't expect him 496 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: to say this publicly, is more concerned and less optimist 497 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: about JJ McCarthy being the guy as much as they 498 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: might have thought even going into the twenty twenty five season, 499 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: on the basis of the way this season played out. 500 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 6: I don't think he has given up on the idea 501 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 6: that at one point, at some point in the future 502 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 6: could be twenty twenty six, but more likely probably not 503 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 6: that he could be the guy that they envisioned when 504 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 6: they drafted him. I think what twenty twenty five certainly 505 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 6: showed O'Connell is that you can't count on that coming 506 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 6: next year, and that counting on it coming this year, 507 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 6: you know, proved to be the reason why they didn't 508 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 6: make the playoffs, and they didn't intend for it to 509 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 6: be that way, but they, you know, as we've talked about, 510 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 6: made some execution errors leading into that. So I don't 511 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 6: think that he's I think what what if O'Connell like 512 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 6: learned anything about McCarthy, is that he there's just there's 513 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 6: just a lot of there's a lot maybe a little 514 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: more space between where he's he was at and is 515 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 6: at and where he needs to be. 516 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 5: Then he might have anticipated. 517 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: All right, that's that's fair enough, so we might as 518 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: well get to it now. 519 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: The what the. 520 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: Not pyeing the sky, but more realistic possibilities are. For example, 521 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: is Malik Willis a realistic possibility or is he going 522 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: to be perceived whether he should be or not at 523 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: this point, No, somebody's gonna gonna gonna go after him 524 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: with decent money to anoint him without any competition. 525 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: Is there number one quarterback? 526 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: So that's not a realistic that would not be among 527 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: the realistic possibilities for the Purple. 528 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 6: I do think he'll be pursued, and it'll just be 529 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 6: whether Malik Willis feels like that those are places that 530 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 6: he can succeed, you know, sometimes it's the really bad 531 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 6: teams that are trying to throw a lot of money 532 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 6: at at quarterbacks, and he would have to decide if 533 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 6: those that's to play that he wants to go or 534 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 6: if he just wants to sort of take the money 535 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 6: that's being offered. So I think that's you know, I've 536 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 6: been kind of joking, but you know what I've been 537 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 6: saying is that there's only one man that can save 538 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 6: us now, and that's Kirk Cousins and so. And I 539 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 6: kind of say that jokingly because there's never just one option, 540 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 6: but it feels like that's the high end of what's realistic. 541 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 6: And I'm sure, and I'm sure I'll get it thrown 542 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 6: in my face when they get Joe. 543 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 5: They get Joe Burrow for a fourth round. 544 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 6: Pick, But I that's where it feels to me. And 545 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 6: I don't have any like factual reporting to tell me 546 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 6: that that's what they're zeroing in on, but you know, 547 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 6: I have eyes. 548 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: Is there a hell? Is that a better. 549 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: Option than a presumably healthier more with the program throughout 550 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: the offseason, Carson wentz, Yeah, Yeah. 551 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 5: I think. I don't. 552 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 6: I think and I'm not And that's not shot at 553 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 6: Carson like I think if you asked one hundred NFL 554 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 6: personnel people, you know, which quarterback would you choose to be? 555 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 5: Now? 556 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 6: Is it for two games? You know it might be closer. 557 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 6: But if you're talking about who's half a season, who 558 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 6: would you sign? Who would you prefer if you were 559 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 6: bringing in somebody who might have to play the whole season, 560 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 6: Because that's what we're talking about, right, you know, whether 561 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 6: JJ gets hurt or JJ isn't ready yet to be 562 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 6: a playoff you know, caliber quarterback, then you're turning to 563 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 6: this this other guy. And I think most of those 564 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 6: one hundred would say, Kirk of between those two. 565 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: Is it time for me to give up on the 566 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: A Rodger dream? I ask it now because the guy 567 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: he clearly bonded with, Mike Tomlin, is no longer the 568 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: Steelers coach. Yeah, so I'm just asking, is is it 569 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: crazy to put him in the mix? If indeed he says, yeah, 570 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: you know what, if I can go to some place 571 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: like Minnesota, yeah, I mean otherwise i'd retire, but Minnesota, 572 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: where I wanted to go originally, I'd take a shot. 573 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: Is that is that absurd? Well? 574 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 6: To me, you have to look at it the other 575 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 6: way around, you know, with the Vikings with what would 576 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 6: the Vikings think about that? 577 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Oh yeah, that's exactly what I mean. 578 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 5: I don't interested he's going he's gonna play. 579 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, if he really wants to play and he's not 580 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 6: done yet, then you would think he'd be interested. But 581 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 6: you know, as I put in the story, you know, 582 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 6: a couple weeks ago, you know, the Vikings front office 583 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 6: felt like, you know this, they would be that signing 584 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers and pushing JJ McCarthy back a year would 585 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 6: maybe get you to the playoffs, but isn't getting you 586 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 6: to the super Bowl? 587 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 5: And that, by the way, might be right. 588 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 6: You know, and the idea of of Aaron Rodgers kind 589 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 6: of running his version of the Vikings offense wouldn't necessarily 590 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 6: be the most helpful for JJ, at least last year. 591 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 6: I don't know if that would apply as much, yeah, 592 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 6: moving forward. But so I really think that it would 593 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 6: still come down to, you know, would the Vikings have 594 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 6: a different point of view after after, you know, seeing 595 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 6: how things went, And I don't know if that would 596 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 6: be the case. 597 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: We're we can go to fifty seven, right, I'm not behind. 598 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: I just want to be sure. We've had a funky 599 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: break schedule today, So I want to double check with 600 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,239 Speaker 1: Blake Moore. This is from Jeremiah out of Dyna. How 601 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: much longer can Dan milk the McCarthy issue. I'm going 602 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: to come to my defense as objective as I can 603 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: be on myself in that this isn't said as an 604 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: automatic rejection of McCarthy. It's that the issue, whether you're 605 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: a mcbobo or not, is real. And actually you're reporting 606 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: confirmed that even last year they wanted to hedge it 607 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more than maybe we realized at the time. 608 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: And that means even more so now on the basis 609 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: of the injury issue leaving a side performance they have 610 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: to They are letting down their veteran players, including the 611 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver, if they don't give themselves another option. So 612 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: none of this is milking the McCarthy issue. It's the 613 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: quarterback condition for this franchise right now. It's it's absolutely 614 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: it's undeniably part of the story. 615 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 5: Correct. It's these stories? 616 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, like it I mean, and we don't have to 617 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 6: like go into deeply and how important the quarterback position 618 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 6: is to football and sports and all the other things. 619 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 6: But like you know that that this was this was 620 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 6: the reason they didn't make the playoffs this year. They 621 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 6: were a half game out as it was, with having 622 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 6: you know, if you take all three of their quarterbacks, 623 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 6: you know, having bottom third in the league quarterback play. 624 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 5: If you just have. 625 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 6: Average quarterback play between the three of those guys or 626 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 6: one of. 627 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: The half game things fools gold to me, because that 628 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: is how it ended after they were mathematically a big 629 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: butterfly effects a little bit, I know, a factor then, 630 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: But I get your point. You could say throughout the season, 631 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: if you have legitimate quarterback. 632 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 6: Play, they would you know, people keep talking about the 633 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 6: Chicago game and the special teams, but what about all 634 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 6: the all the scores they missed because the way JJ 635 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 6: played up the plush final drive or you know, you know, 636 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 6: I guess they you know, Max bros. I don't know 637 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 6: if anybody that they had a quarterback. 638 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: Largie might be listening on the way to you. 639 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 6: The Seattle game was probably not going to be one regardless, 640 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 6: But there were there were games before they got eliminated 641 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 6: that if the quarterback play had been better, they wouldn't 642 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 6: have been eliminated, you know anyway, And so like so we. 643 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 5: Can look at it either way. 644 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 6: But I do agree that that the you have to 645 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 6: be extremely contextualized and extremely nuanced in analyzing the five 646 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 6: game winning streak that that got them to nine wins. 647 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: Is it more likely in your mind that whatever they 648 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: do at the position it will be via a free 649 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: agent signing or the possibility. Do you think it is 650 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: a real possibility that they could make a trade? 651 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 5: Yeah? 652 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 6: I do, I do, And I you know, and I 653 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 6: know that no one wants to give up draft picks, 654 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 6: and I know that that's a key thing. But like 655 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 6: this quarterback trump's at all. You know, if there's a 656 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 6: guy that you're convicted in and and and just believe 657 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 6: that in your heart, and you have the head coach 658 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 6: on board, and you have all Josh Mcca, all the 659 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 6: people in the building who are quarterback experts on board, 660 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 6: and it's going to take a draft pick, then then 661 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 6: you have then to me, like that's where you say, well, 662 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 6: the other rules don't apply, or the other they are 663 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 6: desired to have as many draft picks as we can 664 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 6: can't apply to that decision. 665 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: Did you read the text that guards you just sent 666 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: you with me, check your text line and read it 667 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: to the audience will just find it. 668 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 6: Keep Brozemer out of this. So he was listening, well, 669 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 6: I mean maybe he should be. He's driving, Like, why 670 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 6: is he texted? 671 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's stopped at aar. 672 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 6: I guess some of these kids know how to text 673 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 6: with voice to text and don't have to actually text. 674 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 6: But will we'll decide whether Brosmer gets mentioned. 675 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: No question. 676 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people have cousins fatigue, you know, 677 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 1: via the text line, which wasn't surprising you might end 678 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: up but realistically you're right, I mean, that's where it 679 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: may end up going. The thing I'm always curious about 680 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: is we're cut? Is I mean his cousin's okay with 681 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: that kind of arrangement or mighty have to be because 682 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: there's really no other choice at this point. 683 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 5: I don't know how many options there might be choices. 684 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 6: And you know, we talked about this a couple of 685 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 6: years ago when he ended up going to Atlanta, that 686 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 6: he had always picked the place where he, you know, 687 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 6: essentially would get the best contract. And so I don't 688 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 6: know if what happened as a result of that to 689 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 6: him in Atlanta has changed his thinking late in his career. 690 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 6: There's some thought among the people that have been around 691 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 6: him for the past couple of years, that had he 692 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 6: known what the Falcons were going to do, which was 693 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 6: sign him and then you know, draft Michael Penix a 694 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 6: couple months later, sure that maybe that would have changed 695 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 6: the calculus in his mind. And if you're going to be, 696 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 6: you know, sort of a caretaker to a young quarterback, 697 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 6: then you might as well do it with the place 698 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 6: that you know, know the people better and and have 699 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 6: a level of trust that you may not have. But 700 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 6: you know, now the Falcons have changed their coach, you know, 701 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 6: and there or you know, fire their coach and general managers. 702 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 6: So who knows what the are going to be thinking 703 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 6: or what that new guy is gonna want. But we 704 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 6: do know that Kirk and the Falcons change his contract 705 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 6: in a way that makes it much easier for them 706 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 6: to part ways in the being a free agency. So 707 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 6: it feels like that was an intentional thing that independent 708 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 6: of what the coaching decision is going to be. 709 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: Uh Saul in Blaine, we have a talent like Jay 710 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, you're paying what you are, you give yourself 711 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: the best chance to make the playoffs as long as 712 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: you have him we completely botched it this year. I 713 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: don't think McCarthy is our long term guy either. My 714 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: hope is we would go big game hunting, try to 715 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: get a trade done for a Burrow, Herbert, Jackson, etc. 716 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: Rogers should be an option, the number one option if 717 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: we cannot get a trade done. 718 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: That's Saul in Blaine. 719 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 5: So Rogers should be the number one option. 720 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: He's saying, if you can't get one of those bigger fish. 721 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, the Herbert thing is fun just because of the 722 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 6: Harbaugh McCarthy thing. I don't know what macarthy or what 723 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 6: Harbaugh thinks of JJ McCarthy as a pro. As we 724 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 6: know he loved him in college and that it worked 725 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 6: out great for both of those guys. But you know, 726 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 6: so you know, people you're you know, people talk about 727 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 6: was it. Berger was talking about Sam Darnold and how 728 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 6: he plays in the playoffs, and I think there's starting 729 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 6: to be a there's starting to be a pretty long 730 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 6: record of Justin Herbert in the playoffs as well. That's 731 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 6: not necessarily much better. 732 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: And so Herbert's the interesting one to me because I 733 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: threw it by Lieber, Yeah, and Lieber said, it's all 734 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 1: we're playing a hyper for a game, but he said, 735 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: I do it in a minute. 736 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 2: He's a and. 737 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: I I just would you know, And maybe I'm hesitating 738 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: too much. Leeber's point was get the quarterback whisper with him. 739 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: They're made for each other. 740 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced this is These are his words that 741 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: they that the passing offense that Harbaugh was using there 742 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: was really conducive to getting the best out of what 743 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: he has to offer. I just worry that it's a 744 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: little bit of the pretty boy syndrome where he's got 745 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: the looks, he's got the arm to make all the throws, 746 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: but doesn't really want to compete in the battle. I mean, 747 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: you even heard collins Worth during the game kind of say, 748 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: you got to hang in there a little bit more. 749 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: Man, You're you're bailing out too fast. 750 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 751 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: And and I don't even know. Maybe that's not fair to him. 752 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't. I mean, I know he got pounded 753 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: a few times. But it's it's a fascinating example because 754 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: he does look like he's got all the talent in 755 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: the world. 756 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: But I keep going, well, there's been no there there. 757 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 6: In the postseason, Justin Herbert led the league in quarterback 758 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 6: hits like he got contact. So whether it's in the 759 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 6: pocket or running like he and I don't know if 760 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 6: he got jumpy by the end of that or if 761 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 6: that's more of refining of just how often he left 762 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 6: the pocket in the in the contact is actually a 763 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 6: tackle while he's running. But he's a he's a really 764 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 6: good athlete, and he's he looks, he looks the part, 765 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 6: you're right, looks, and he's got the arm. And apparently 766 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 6: he's very smart as well. And and there's there's yeah, 767 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 6: like I I don't know, there's no no one has 768 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 6: indicated that he's going to be available. But plus that's 769 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 6: fifty million or forty six you have to but he's 770 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 6: young enough that you basically say, like, that's our guy. 771 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 6: And so you like, they're in a position where in 772 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 6: the evolution of their roster and the evolution of the 773 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 6: tenure of the head coach and the general manager that 774 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 6: if a Justin Herbert were to become available and you're 775 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 6: not and you're just writing it off, no, no, we 776 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 6: don't need him. That's that you have to at least 777 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 6: investigate it, you know, doing a constraction all that ye 778 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 6: figure out, you know, And I'm sure they have scouting reports, 779 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 6: and it's not like you have to start from scratch 780 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 6: when somebody becomes available, but they would need to be 781 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 6: prepared to at least decide like what would what would 782 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 6: we need? 783 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 5: What would we do for this? 784 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 6: Like would it have to be a steal of an 785 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 6: acquisition or would we give up premium assets or or what? 786 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 6: But that they don't seem to be in a position 787 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 6: that if any you know, certainly any and he's I 788 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 6: would say he's everybody should agree he's a top half 789 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 6: of the NFL. Yeah, quarterback, like he's top ten or 790 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 6: top fifteen or what's top sixteen? But if if somebody 791 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 6: even of his, with the concerns we just talked about, 792 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 6: become available, and you're in a position where you have 793 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 6: to consider it. 794 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: All right, here's the choice now as we hit the 795 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: top of the hour break. You can leave now and 796 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: force an unprepared Brett Blakemore to do a top five 797 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: at five, or you can bail him out by hanging 798 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: for one more segment. 799 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 5: I was planning to be here anyways. Now let's do it. 800 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 5: We'll do that. 801 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: Here's my idea, Blake Moore, You're not going to be 802 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: totally off the hook. I still think you should come 803 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: up with at least a mini five twenty sports fix. 804 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: I think you can do that because now you got 805 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: a little extra time. 806 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 2: Is that fair? 807 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 5: All right? 808 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: We'll come back if you have more questions for Seffert, 809 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: we'll probably expand the discussion beyond the vikings. There's more 810 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: vikings to get to, but I want to talk about 811 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: his reaction to a fairly entertaining Wildcard weekend and what 812 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 1: might be coming up next, and all the coaching changes 813 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: as well. 814 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 2: Seaffert in studio. 815 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: Reach him via the Bratschew Brian kfe in text line 816 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: at six four six eighty six.