1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: The Bengals are bringing their own brand of football to 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Buffalo when they go hunting for a win. Did I 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: tell you about the last time I was in below 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: my eight fifty wings slavered and hot sauce. Let's just 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: say I had to stampede my way to a stall 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: in the men's room. The Bengals battle the Bills. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: Coverage begins at nine am Sunday, stream for free on 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: the new and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: All right, that's us, good afternoon, I'm all lager. This 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening. 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: Hopefully you have braved and survived the snow and you 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: can hang out at Oakley Greens. Oakley Greens is open. Okay, 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: We're not gonna let three inches of snow in certain 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: parts of the tri State to ter Oakley Greens for 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: being open. So when you're getting off work today or 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: planning a holiday party, you're thinking ahead to the football weekend, 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: all the conference championship games. You know, I've heard someone 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: describe Ohio State versus Indiana as the game of the century. 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: Now it's gonna be a good game. The Big ten 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: title is you know, in this era is still still 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: kind of cool, especially if you're IU. It's I would 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: stop short of Game of the Century Bengals Bills on Sunday. 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 3: You could watch that game here as the Bengals take 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: a charge toward the AFC North title and a Super 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: Bowl championship. All of that here at to Oakley Greens. 27 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: Kitchen's open, bar is open, and we're here until six o'clock. 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior is here. I feel like I haven't 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: seen you like a month. It's only been two weeks, 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: but a lot's happened in that time. 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 4: It has you miss a day, you miss a lot, 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 4: you miss a week, you miss a lot. But I'm happy. 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here. It's so christmasy in here. 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: It is like I'm you know, I'm I was resistant. 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 4: I don't like people just stomping on Thanksgiving, agreed, and 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 4: so I felt like that was a little It's been 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 4: a little over the top. But now now we're through Thanksgiving, 38 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: it's just the snow outside of the fires, the Christmas 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: stuff up everywhere. It's it's very it's very homely, very cozy. 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: It's very cozy, it's very festive. It's festive without being 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: in your face festive. 42 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I don't feel overwhelmed by it, but 43 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: I do. I feel like what a lovely Christmas is not. 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: Like Chris Kindle market in your face. And I'm not 45 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: opposed to a Chris Kindle market, but that is that 46 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: is all about Christmas. This is kind of about Christmas, 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: but not entirely about Christmas, which I'm here for. 48 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 4: I feel like it's like going over to your friend's 49 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: house who has properly set this up as a Christmas 50 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: get together, but it's not like, hey, let's go, I've 51 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: got like we got Sanna here and we're gonna be 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 4: doing with their sli Like. No, it's it's comfortable. 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: I also neglected to mention if you're looking for a 54 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: place to watch the Skyline Chili Crosstown shoot out on 55 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: Friday night, you can do that here at Oakley Greens 56 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: as well. There is a lot of ground to cover 57 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: and it is remarkable the narrative shift. This is why 58 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: I love sports, This is why I love this league. 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: Two weeks ago, Who's gonna get fired? Who should get fired? 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: Should Burrow play they're playing out the strand, well they 61 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: get a top five pick. How miserable is this going 62 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: to be? And now I'm not saying I've booked a 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: trip to Santa Clara, but my calendar's open. 64 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it's funny how quickly things change. But 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 4: I do you know, I did interview Dane Brugler about 66 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: the state of the top ten about a week and 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 4: a half ago, and I still think that's still the conversation. 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: I mean, let's not let's not kid ourselves here by 69 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: one win. But I think that all along, well, as 70 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 4: much as this was about okay, well, be able to 71 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: hand the keys to burrow, it was always about more 72 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: so you can the defense eventually turn into something. And 73 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: I think the takeaway of now three straight weeks we 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 4: were like, okay, let's see it again, Okay, let's see 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: a little more. Okay, And then you have that game 76 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: against the Ravens in a place where you have traditionally 77 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: had heartbreaking defeats and not been able to stop Lamar Jackson, 78 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 4: who does not look like standard Lamar Jackson. But that's 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: beside the point where you're seeing the things that you 80 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 4: hoped you would see months ago. But you're seeing them now, 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: and so now you look at it and you wipe 82 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 4: all the records off and you say they're two games back. 83 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 4: They have Joe Burrow, they have a defense that looks 84 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 4: like it could be below average to average. It's kind 85 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: of what you called for the whole time. The only 86 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: problem is you got to like rip off six in 87 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 4: a row. And so, but if you can get in 88 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: in this AFC, has it ever felt more wide open? 89 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: Who the Patriots is? 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 5: That? 91 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: Is that who you're scared of right now? Like, No, 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: in order for this team to get in, they will 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 4: have had to have had Burrow, will have to won 94 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 4: like thirteen games in a row as a start, but 95 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: just you know, dating back to last year and they'll 96 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 4: have had one six in a row. Obviously, they would 97 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 4: have beaten a lot of good teams along the way, 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: and they would be going into a playoffs where there's 99 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 4: no dominant team really in the AFC right now, and 100 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: you give them as much a chance as any Again, 101 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 4: that's a lot of steps between now and then, because 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 4: it takes games that have looked like they have in 103 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: big moments this year. Well, you get a couple of 104 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 4: l's to the Bills, and the Ravens and we're back 105 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: to talking about the top five again. It's just they're 106 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: in that spot. But I think what you hoped to see, 107 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: it's still alive right now and we just didn't think 108 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: that was gonna be possible. 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: Hard hard knocks to the AFC North last year should 110 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: do it this year because this divisions as division is 111 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: not very good. 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: I would love to see some of them behind the scenes. 113 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 4: What is currently happening Pittsburgh specifically, Yeah, certainly would be interesting. 114 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 4: Who I don't They don't look like they could win 115 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: another game. 116 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like the team, like, there's the brand, 117 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: the Steelers, big bad Steelers. You know, Tomlin's never had 118 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: a losing season all of that history. And then there's 119 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: watching that football team, not just on Sunday against the Bills, 120 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: but for the better part of the last month and 121 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: a half. And I know they beat the Bengals head 122 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: to head in that game a couple of weeks ago. 123 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: If you watch them, there's nothing about them that screams 124 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: playoff team Division champion AFC contender, even in a year 125 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 3: like this, Nothing about it. And I felt that way 126 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: before Aaron Rodgers broke his wrist and then I watched 127 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: him try to play on Sunday. There's nothing about that 128 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: team that's scary. The Baltimore Ravens. Maybe Lamar Jackson turns 129 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: into Lamar Jackson again, but he certainly seems physically compromised. 130 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: They've been uneven on offense even during that five game 131 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: winning streak. Defensively, while they were much better during that 132 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: five game winning streak, I'm not sure they're terrifying. They 133 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: have a history of losing stupid games. I did this 134 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: thing on Sunday and Monday, just more from a gambling perspective, 135 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: because the Bengals there's great value, and I go okay. 136 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: I would rather get the payout with the Bengals and 137 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: the higher odds than I would betting on old man 138 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, a Steelers team that is underachieved defensively and 139 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: seems broken offensively, compromise Lebar Jackson, a Ravens team that 140 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: seems okay that maybe has had its championship window pass, 141 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: or I can get the Bengals. Burrow Is back seventeen 142 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: and five in December and January. Regular season games since 143 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one favored, I think in for their last 144 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: five oh in the game they have this Sunday and 145 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: like Burrow hadn't played well against that team either game 146 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: on let's go. 147 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I agree with you. You can you can 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 4: see it, yes, like you can feel it. 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: Not telling you it's likely. 150 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: No, No, I think I think there's you know, we 151 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: talk about the playoff odds and then numbers on that simulator, 152 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: similar to simulate the simulator I did great. Similarly, simulator 153 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: is a great addition to the site. I love it. 154 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: Go go play as much as you want to do 155 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: with it and watch the odds go up and down. 156 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: You know it's got it in the single percentage points. 157 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: But what I think what the those numbers, the six percent, 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: if you know, maybe fifteen percent after this weekend if 159 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: they win. And what they're missing is that that is 160 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: calculating a Bengals team and in similarly a Ravens and 161 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: a Steelers team that is projected to maybe not be 162 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: the same as what it has been. Right, one with 163 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: Burrow is going to have a different output than one without. 164 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: One with a defense that isn't you know the same 165 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: as the Ka Kawanda tar decks from twenty twenty one 166 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: is going to play at a level that is not 167 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: going to be reflected in those numbers in terms of 168 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 4: chances to win and what that can look like. And 169 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: so maybe it's a touch higher than that, it's still 170 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 4: long odds. But to me the whole time, it has 171 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 4: felt like, well, obviously with what they did in Baltimore 172 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: opens it up, but be Buffalo and let's see, right. 173 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like this feels like the 174 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: one where it's just going to be too much to overcome. 175 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: It's hard to see a world at eight nine. 176 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 3: But if you can go you're falling again behind somebody 177 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: on Sunday, so you have another game, you're already two back. 178 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: You have to keep paying. So I I view with 179 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: the same way. If you win this one, then I 180 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: think it's like, okay, dude, let's do this. 181 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: They've got as good a chance as anybody, especially if 182 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 4: it's the Ravens that are in front of them, because 183 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: you have them and you got to beat them anyway. 184 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 4: So it's certainly not impossible. There's a lot of the 185 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: a lot of the things that when you you know, 186 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 4: we do this a lot with teams that make runs 187 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: in any postseason, but specifically when they come from off 188 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: the path off the pack to at the end, is 189 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 4: there you see these things of like, oh, well that happened, 190 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 4: and it felt like it really helped them take off, 191 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: whether it be as obvious as burrow or as small 192 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 4: as the goal line stand a couple of weeks ago 193 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 4: by the defense, or maybe as notable as the plane 194 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 4: getting delayed. In this the whole team bonding, it's totally 195 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 4: the stuff people talk about, like, you know, it's it's 196 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 4: the first chapter of a book about a championship. 197 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: See and it's a plane. 198 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 4: It starts on the plane, right, and it's like it's 199 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: this is the stuff that that truly does end up 200 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: happening when teams feel like they come together. 201 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing on the 202 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: airplane thing, that's right. Has anybody ever been stuck on 203 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: an airplane? Anybody I've been stuck on an airplane? You 204 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: know what, I didn't feel like doing bonding with anybody, 205 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 3: but okay, but apparently they felt like bonding with a 206 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: bullet in my head. Okay, well, this is no bonding 207 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 3: happening on an airplane. 208 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 4: And this is it. Everyone else would bond over your 209 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: misery on a plane with that many people that all 210 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: know each everyone would be walking around in like thirty 211 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 4: four b being like, have you seen egger goodness, courageous 212 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 4: losing it up there? 213 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: I had this. I had this at the end of 214 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 3: the hour. I wanted to write about the airplane and 215 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: I'm going to ask about airplane travel because I do 216 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: have some thoughts on it. If there was no beverage cart, 217 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 3: then I'm I'm calling bs on the team bonding thing. 218 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 4: I love the idea when they started running out of food, 219 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 4: right and you're just staring at all these offensive linemen 220 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: who are like me hungry. 221 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like that doesn't create bonding, Like it's 222 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: a neat story. And you know any but anybody who's 223 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: ever been stuck on an airplane, there's no bonding there. 224 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: You and your coach, you know you weren't there, go 225 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: you and your stuck on an airplane is usually with 226 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 3: people that. 227 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 4: You don't know, Okay, a plane for people that you 228 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: do know. 229 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: I was getting dispatches because I was with Dan Horden. 230 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: Uh huh. 231 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: You see a game, not traveling with the team, and 232 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, I've heard from folks on the plane 233 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: like you might be able to drive to the airport 234 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: and fly with the team. If you and your co workers. 235 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: Let's say you and your buddies are on an airplane 236 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: right and you're stuck on the tarmac for five hours, 237 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: not only will you not bond, you'll start to turn 238 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: against each other. In fact, that's why you should go 239 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: sit in another section of the airplane in case we're stuck, 240 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: because I don't want to lose my friendship. No bonding 241 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: on an airplane that's stuck on the tarmac. 242 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: Not with you, at least not with me. 243 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: No, clearly I could see that for forty five minutes. 244 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: After an hour and a half, it's the shared experience 245 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: five hours in. No, there's no bonding. The person next 246 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: you're so tired of you want to kill them. No, 247 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: certainly it was you, no question about it. Yeah, I 248 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 3: do think in this division, and Tony and I did 249 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: talk about this yesterday. The math is not favorable. We 250 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: know that I don't need to go to the playoffs 251 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 3: simulator though, I have to tell you that. But if 252 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: I'm a Baltimore Steelers fan, I'm looking at the Bengals 253 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: going now. We had a chance to give them away, 254 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: both of them, and you know now that object in 255 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 3: the rear view mirror is closer than it should be. 256 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: They just got their guy back, the reasonably healthy ish. 257 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: Their schedule is not easy, but there's some very winnable 258 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: games on it. Like I maybe Mike Tomlin and John 259 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 3: Harbard and thinking that way. But if I'm a fan 260 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: of either one of those teams, I'm like, we had 261 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: a chance to slam the door. Pittsburgh did in mid October, 262 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: Baltimore did on Thursday night. And I do think there's 263 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: something about a guy like Joe Burrow, all the deficiencies 264 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: that the team may have, when when you don't put 265 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: that guy away, it tends to come back to haunt you. 266 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: As a fan. I'm clinging to that, but I can't 267 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: help but think that that dynamic is real. 268 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 4: And you know, we've we spent a lot of time 269 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: last week or so talking about why Burrow still wants 270 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 4: to play and his attitude towards always playing, always if 271 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 4: you have a chance, go play, you know, playing a 272 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 4: kid's game and all that stuff that has been really 273 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: cool and like his story just already is cool coming 274 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 4: back for this, But there's also this other thing about 275 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, the guy who you know, we've documented the 276 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 4: numbers as an underdog is like he lives for this. 277 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 4: He lives for this. I mean the epic run, the 278 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: epic overcoming of all obstacles thing, not just in the injury, 279 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 4: but now, oh you oh you don't think I can 280 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 4: run off six in a row. Oh you don't think 281 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: we can't gather this team together and make it happen. 282 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 4: And the belief that everyone gathers from this, That's what 283 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one was right in so many ways. And 284 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 4: we can talk about how the defense was different, game 285 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: changing on that, but so much of that was always 286 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 4: because of the belief that Burrow brings into a building 287 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 4: and this whole there are no obstacles that are stacked 288 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: too high that I can't climate mentality that's really, you know, 289 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: kind of been his whole mystique in his whole career. 290 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: And so you don't think he looks at this as like, man, 291 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: what an epic opportunity. Yeah, this is like what I'm 292 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: built for. This is this is the type of thing 293 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: that would be, you know, the most legendary running NFL history. 294 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: And you don't think that he's looking down in down 295 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: this barrel right now and saying let's go do this, 296 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: and the idea of rallying the troops, especially if they 297 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: go into Buffalo and take out Josh Allen on Sunday 298 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 4: Man that just you know, it feels like it's one 299 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 4: hundred percent something. If you are a Steelers or a 300 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: Ravens fan, you are scared to death about. 301 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: Also, the subjective title of best quarterback in the NFL seems. 302 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: Up for grabs. Yeah, granted, Yeah. 303 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: Take your team on six and oh, get to the postseason. 304 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 4: To make a run. Yeah, there's there is no doubt. 305 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 4: It's uh. I go back to Rocky four a lot, 306 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: and it feels like this is like it burrows, like 307 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: when Rocky was just like training out in the in 308 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: the wilderness in Russia for months, just like with the 309 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 4: with the picture of drava wet blanket. 310 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: Wife too tells him, you're not gonna be able to 311 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: beat that guy. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Rocky is gonna 312 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: get paid for that fight. I guess I'll go out 313 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: to Russia. Yeah, I don't. 314 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: I don't know who that is in this particular analogy. However, 315 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: I do feel like this is like it's okay, well 316 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: I've been training for this and and sitting there behind 317 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 4: closed doors waiting to unleash it. And now maybe there's 318 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 4: a chance, maybe there's a chance that uh, that he 319 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: can go out there and go fifteen rounds with Drago. 320 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: All right, well too. 321 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: Far, No, not at all any Rocky four, Rocky. 322 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 4: I didn't know. You're disdaining for the wife. 323 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: In every movie, she's like, you're not gonna be able 324 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: to win, you can't win. The only time she's remotely 325 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: incouraging is in Rocky three at the Beach, and that's 326 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: only because she got tired of sitting in that crappy 327 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: hotel room. 328 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 329 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: Every other time it's I can't win, sorry, rock Like, 330 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: why does support me? 331 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: Honey? He has a long history of winning. You would 332 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 4: think they'd be like, what, maybe he could win. By 333 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: the time you reach Rocky flour it's like, might win. 334 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. I would have told her I will 335 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: be in Russia. You stay here in Philly or wherever. 336 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: But when I come back, be gone. Not gonna support 337 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: my guy gets beat. I gotta go fight this Russian dude, 338 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: And all you're gonna tell me is you can't beat him. 339 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: And now you want to jump onto my coat tails 340 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: late no, not all in on Adrian. 341 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's fair. That's that's fair. I'm going to 342 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: think more about who is hard to be in a. 343 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: Coma in Rocky two for her to even like support 344 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: him trying to fight. 345 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 4: She married a fighter. I mean, it's look, although I 346 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 4: think anytime that you can get to hang out with 347 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 4: the robot, like true, the underrated best character in all 348 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: of the Rockies is Polly's robot. 349 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: No doubt about it. And as a as a husband 350 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: of somebody who values like they're alone time I'm at 351 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: the house, I can understand, like, wait a minute, drunk brother, 352 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: meathead husband, they're gonna fly to Russia for like six weeks. 353 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: I get the place to myself with the robot. 354 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, not too bad, not bad. 355 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm on tea major and who knows. Twenty one 356 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: for three o'clock, Paul Tanner junior rights for the Athletic 357 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: dot Com and he hosts the Growler podcast as well. 358 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: Latest episode is out. 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Let you let me, let 376 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: you enjoy. 377 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I am enjoying, and this is unbelievable. I'm 378 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: ready to go. Now. 379 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: Think us of John Cafferty to thick. 380 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: So I'm a big uh no, easy way out guy. 381 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 4: That's my that's my preferred montage. Robert in the car, 382 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 4: Robert Tapper, Yeah, big Tapper guy. So I mean but 383 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 4: you you you get in your car and turn that 384 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: on and try not to speed. I dare you, I 385 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 4: don't need help. 386 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 3: But home. We'll see, we'll see. Paul Danner Junior is here. 387 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: You know who's gonna be here on this number twenty first? 388 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 3: Anthony Munos Hey one hour before the Bengals. 389 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 4: He's pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good before. 390 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 3: The Bengals Dolphins game. He'll be here at Oakley Greens 391 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: from Meet and Greet you can meet Anthony Munhos the 392 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: greatest offensive lineman and nicest human being of all times. 393 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 3: It's cool to have one of those titles he carries both. 394 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, I actually some video just I don't 395 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 4: know why, it was circulating today of Anthony catching the 396 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 4: game tying touchdown in Cleveland. Kevin Gallagher I retweeted, Yeah, 397 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 4: I saw that today and I was like, it's unbelievable. 398 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 4: Is that the most Is that the most challenging reception 399 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 4: by an offensive tackle ever? Because usually tackle eligibles are 400 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 4: like nice, saft little balls, and these guys wide open. 401 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 4: Boomer had to like throw it sideways and backwards and 402 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: Anthony bob by catching it behind himself. I mean, of course, 403 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 4: of course he's gonna have the most legendary offensive tackle. 404 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: Eligible catchup all time, part of one of my favorite 405 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: trivia questions, bloomerisize and through touchdown passes to Hall of Fame? 406 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, who were they? 407 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: Anthony Munno's The answer is coming up later. 408 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: On Ooh, build the drama. 409 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: More on Burrow because you wrote about him after the game, 410 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: and to me, he played as expected. There were moments 411 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: where it felt like he's got some rust to chip off. 412 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: I was more interested though, in how the team played 413 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: for him and rallied around him, And I thought that 414 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: dynamic was interesting. You could feel it watching on a 415 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: television a few hundred miles away. The infusion of energy. 416 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: You could feel them rallying around him. You could feel 417 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: the excitement. Also, he's playing behind what I think is 418 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: a decent offensive line, and those two things, more than anything, 419 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: That's what I think about on Thursday as the game 420 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: went ongoing. Also, he took some snaps under center, which 421 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: thank god because many not a ton, but he did it. 422 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: He did He did it. To me, that was like 423 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: him trolling people like, Okay, fine, here my hands under 424 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: the centers, But are we good? 425 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 4: Can I? 426 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 3: Can I go back to playing the way I want? 427 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: But as the game went on, I'm like, you know, 428 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: the team seems galvanized, the team seems ready. Maybe the 429 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: airplane ride did has something to do with it. Also, 430 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: thorough can't protecting them. This is gonna be all right? 431 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the one thing I 432 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 4: kind of came away from that one a little bit 433 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: feeling generally like like after the Flacco Green Bay game, 434 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 4: where that first half was like, Okay, what do you 435 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 4: expect here? I mean, this guy's trying to get it going, 436 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: and then you see it in the second half, You're like, Oh, 437 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: this is what it's gonna look like. Yeah, this is 438 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 4: this is what this is what it could look like 439 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 4: maybe you should look like. And you feel like, now 440 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 4: after coming out of that ten days a full game planned, 441 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 4: you know, all of that stuff, everybody back moving the 442 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 4: right way, t Higgins back in the in the mix, 443 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 4: you feel like it's gonna it can take off, much 444 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 4: like we saw happen with Flacco after that. Obviously with 445 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 4: on a different level that Burrow plays at, but like 446 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 4: the similar concept is you saw so many of those 447 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 4: timing plays not hitting in the first half, which is 448 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 4: what was bogging them down. Stuff that you literally never 449 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 4: see Joe miss and those weren't being missed as much, 450 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 4: and there's really not enough love given too. Maybe there is, 451 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 4: but to the Yoshi touchdown to everything that he had 452 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: to execute, it's vintage Burrow and to do that after 453 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 4: two months away and just come back out there and 454 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 4: win the chess match against the Ravens by diagnosing a 455 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: defense and blitz package that they've used in the past 456 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 4: and setting up the protection, moving guys around, and then 457 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 4: throwing the dime to Yoshi, who's got Rokwon Smith chasing them, 458 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 4: like just the next level stuff that you get with him, 459 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 4: and and that you and maybe only get with him. 460 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: That sets it apart, and it's like, Okay, he's he's 461 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 4: starting to feel it. Now You're you're seeing all of 462 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 4: the all of the Burrow elements. The only one that's 463 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 4: yet to come that maybe you'll see in the coming 464 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 4: we a little bit more of the scrambling and the 465 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 4: playmaking stuff that makes people nervous but makes Joe Burrow 466 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 4: special and so but yeah, I mean, it was a 467 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 4: pretty unbelievable performance all things considered. 468 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was unbelievable and it almost is exactly what 469 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: I expected I'd be aligned to you if I told 470 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: you I really expected them to win the game or 471 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: win the game by as many as they did. But 472 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 3: I thought, as the game goes on, Joe's gonna be fine, 473 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: probably gonna be a little rough early. It's been two 474 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: and a half months. Also, he stinks in season openers. 475 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: This is a season opener two point zero. 476 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: But I got what I was looking for. Yeah, I mean, 477 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 4: you got the look of a guy that still knows 478 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 4: what the heck he's doing out there. And also, you know, 479 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: I just thought, I love reflective Joe Burrow. We don't 480 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: get it all that often, like we do sometimes, and 481 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 4: I just feel like his his perspective is always so great, 482 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: and you feel his teammates latch onto whatever that perspective is. 483 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 4: And whether he's sang it through us or saying it 484 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 4: to them behind closed doors or whatever. We don't know 485 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 4: exactly what's being said there, but like you really feel that, 486 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: And it was just really cool to hear him talk 487 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 4: about how much this meant to him and teammates, you know, 488 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 4: going around the locker room after the game, teammates talking 489 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: about how much it mattered to them to try to 490 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 4: win because of how much they knew it meant to 491 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 4: Joe and they want to do this for Joe, And 492 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 4: I think that's a true rallying cry that lasts. And 493 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: I thought brought out another level when a lot of 494 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: players individually on Thursday night that maybe we hadn't totally 495 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 4: seen yet. 496 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 3: He made me feel ashamed of myself because when they 497 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: lost to the Patriots, my thing was put him on 498 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: the shelf. And then when I heard him talk about 499 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: wanting to play and it's a kid's game and we 500 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: get paid a lot of money, my take was, who 501 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 3: am I to take that away from him? 502 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 4: Right? Like? 503 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 3: Who am I to tell him, don't do this if 504 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: you can, especially when the game's dull STU carry meaning 505 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 3: now and talk to me week seventeen if they have 506 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: eleven losses Joe hard pass. But I literally was like, 507 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 3: you know, that was my take, But who am I 508 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 3: to tell this dude? Yeah, hey, you worked your ass off, 509 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 3: hold a clipboard? 510 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was sort of my thing the whole time, 511 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 4: was I mean, even early in the week when Burrow 512 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 4: was like, look, I'm never going to be the one 513 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: to be like I'm healthy, but I don't think I 514 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 4: should play like I'm too important or whatever, and I 515 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 4: think that was the whole thing was was that is 516 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: one who he is and who the Bengals have kind 517 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 4: of tried to build their entire organization around that attitude, 518 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 4: and that's what they want more people and everyone to 519 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 4: be sort of about. Is if you're healthy, if there's 520 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: a way you can go out there and do it 521 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: and do whatever you can can help your team win, 522 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: you go do it. And that means a lot to people, 523 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 4: and I think it leaves him. He always makes an 524 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 4: impact on his teammates and you hear that from them 525 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: whenever you talk to him. But I think it was 526 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 4: exponentially notable because of everything that he did and how 527 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 4: sort of open and reflective he was about that during 528 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 4: the course of the weekend. On Thursday, all right, we're. 529 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: Late twenty four from four o'clock at Oakley Greens. We're 530 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: gonna get to Trey Hendrickson. 531 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 4: Shall we have we done that before? Uh? 532 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't written down on the list. Well I 533 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 3: have airplane. 534 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 4: We already did that. We've already kind of done. I 535 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 4: guess we'll have to do Trey Hendrickson. I know you 536 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 4: don't like doing that, you. 537 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 3: Know what I'm gonna talk about Miles Murphy before we 538 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: talk about Trey Hendrick. 539 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 4: Let's do it, please. 540 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: We'll do that when we come back. 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Bengals may have 560 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: added a key piece to this game on Sunday when 561 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: they take on the Buffalo Bills. They have signed cornerback 562 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 3: Jaylen Kimber to the practice squad and they might go. 563 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 4: Well, big deal. 564 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: But he was he was with the Bills practice squad 565 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: earlier this season, so he knows everything so much intel. Hey, 566 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: that Josh Allen guy might be pretty good. That's that's 567 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: that's the sort of intel. He's providing the Kimber factor 568 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: that we'll be hearing about this week, much like the 569 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: airplane bonding one o'clock Sunday Live on ESPN fifteen thirty. 570 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: College Hoops Tonight Kentucky battles North Carolina at Rapperina, tip 571 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 3: off late nine thirty. Pre game coverage to date on 572 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. Also tonight Miami Tigs on I You. 573 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: East Dayton battles East Tennessee State. The Richard Patinos Show 574 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: will be tonight at seven o'clock on fifty five KRC. 575 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 3: The Musketeers winning last night over Saint Francis, Cincinnati won 576 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: beat Tarleton State, and U Sean's Davier play on Friday 577 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: in the skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout, a game that you 578 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: could watch here at Oakley Greens. And this is the 579 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: environment like Ucian Xavier fans can co mingle, can coexist, 580 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: can have a great time, enjoy that the fellowship and 581 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 3: good vibe that always comes with that game. 582 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 4: Just do it here at Oakley Drink fellowship and good vibe. 583 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 4: You're right across. 584 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: That's usually what I think that it brings out of everybody. 585 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: There are two hours a year where I absolutely, no 586 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: matter what's going on, will not look at social media. 587 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the two. Those are the two. I 588 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 4: can't think of it without seeing Kenny Freeze's eye because 589 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 4: I mean, just the craziest sporting event I've ever covered 590 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 4: in my entire life being I will I will be 591 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 4: on my death talking about I was ten feet away 592 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: from the fight in UC Xavier and we'll we'll never 593 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 4: forget seeing it that close and how close, how my 594 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 4: jaw lived on the floor that entire afternoon. 595 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: You want to talk about a cauldron of bad sports takes, 596 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: go back and find shows and social media and blogs 597 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 3: from fourteen years ago this December, because that's I I'm 598 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: not sure there's ever been a a you know, like 599 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: a a an event that generated more just awful takes 600 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: than that one. 601 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, there'm I might have spewed a few. I don't 602 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 4: even know, but I probably did too. I was in favor. 603 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if I still am. Do you want 604 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 4: to cancel the game? No? No, no. I was in 605 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 4: favor of the three site rotation of Xavier Uce Neutral 606 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 4: every three years because I like I like the neutral 607 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: I was one of the few that liked the Neutral site. 608 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 4: I think I like the It has an ncble A 609 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: feel about like momentum swings, where you have runs where 610 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 4: one side of the building is like rising in the 611 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 4: other one sitting, and then I felt like it made 612 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 4: the runs feel bigger. That was really cool that I 613 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: liked it, And it kind of was a good ncublea 614 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 4: feel on that one. But but without giving away like 615 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: when was like, oh, no, we're not going to do 616 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: these on home sites anymore, like the floor was the problem. No, 617 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 4: but I did like the idea that came up of 618 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: maybe having a rotation, even though I. 619 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: Think you were the one that came up with the 620 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 3: idea of change the name, right, was that. 621 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 4: I was not change the name. Don't you put that 622 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 4: on me? Don't you put that on me? 623 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: Is Miles Murphy? 624 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 4: Good might be, I'm not gonna say good. I still 625 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 4: think that. 626 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: Turned the corner light bulbs on. 627 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: A switch has been flipped. Look. Had we talked to 628 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 4: Jerry Montgomery Montgomery on the Rewatch Show Charlie and I 629 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: yesterday and just talking about sort of the development of 630 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,239 Speaker 4: all these young guys. Yeah, but a lot of it 631 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: was about Miles. And I was talking about the play 632 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 4: where he chases down Derrick Henry forty yards down the field. 633 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 4: Only three defensive linemen all year have a tackle on 634 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: a play that game thirty plus yards. He's one of three. 635 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 4: This is not something that happens, and particularly chasing it 636 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: from behind. He said, Yeah, that's true, he said, but 637 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 4: I'd like you to go back two weeks ago and 638 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 4: there was a play where a run by Kenneth Gainwell 639 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 4: and Pittsburgh got out and Miles essentially loafed and didn't 640 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 4: and you know a lot of company that dead right, absolutely, 641 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 4: But he's like that, that's stuff that was shown and 642 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 4: so to see it go from you got to learn 643 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 4: for you gotta do this to turn into that, which 644 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 4: then turns into three plays later his tip ball that 645 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 4: turns an interception. Like it's those moments where you you 646 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 4: see it happen, you see everything your coaches have been 647 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 4: telling you, you see it start to turn into something 648 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 4: are what drives you to become that player all the time. 649 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 4: And I just think there hadn't because of his lack 650 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 4: of experience, because of his lack of success and and everything. 651 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 4: I don't think he had had those drivers. But you've 652 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 4: seen that now really over the last three weeks as 653 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 4: he's been playing. He's been playing more before that, but 654 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 4: you've certainly over the last three weeks seen him be 655 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 4: more active, more productive. You're seeing where you see him 656 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 4: every single game, where I don't think you've said that 657 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 4: hardly at all during his career. And it does, I 658 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 4: mean it does take time for guys, especially guys that 659 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 4: are looked at as trades based prospects. I still think 660 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 4: that what we learned early is that, Okay, he's not 661 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 4: gonna have a first round elite ceiling, but I think 662 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 4: his floor is raising right now. 663 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: And I'll take that well absolutely, And. 664 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 4: I just think it's what it's the does he have 665 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: the dog get him righty. He had the fight that 666 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 4: he He looks like a guy that wants it and 667 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 4: cares and it matters to him. And he's playing with 668 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 4: that energy and the heart and passion stuff that you 669 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 4: kind of hope to see more of from him that 670 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 4: you hadn't seen enough of. I think over his time 671 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 4: here and it's it's showing up. He still doesn't finish, 672 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 4: like he's still struggling to finish. But there was a play, 673 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 4: but he's back there. 674 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: There was a play in that game where I think 675 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 3: he's he's in the backfield trying to take down Lamar 676 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 3: and it looks like he was told to go back 677 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 3: in the position that he was in before the ball 678 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: was snapped. I wish I had it in front of you. 679 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: It's one of the I was watching it with a 680 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: buddy of mine and I'm like, what is Miles Murphy doing? Yeah, 681 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 3: But then I'm like, you know, positive guy, he was 682 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 3: in the backfield. 683 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 4: He just chose to go back, chose to go you know, 684 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 4: he got there. 685 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 3: Should we give al Golan the D back in his 686 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 3: last name? 687 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 4: Has he earned it? I'm not there yet, Okay. I 688 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 4: Mean here's the thing. I think that the Bengals were 689 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 4: beneficiaries of some pretty significant breaks, not just one, not 690 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 4: just two. Also, them not giving the ball to Derek 691 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: Henry made no sense, right, a lot of things happening 692 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 4: and that I mean, you know the OPI on the 693 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 4: Ze Flowers touchdown obviously, the fumble that ends up a 694 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 4: touchback in the end zone that should have been Isaiah. 695 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 4: I mean, credit the hustle by Jordan Battle, but still 696 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: you know a couple of deep balls that they should 697 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 4: have connected to Tess Walker. Like, there there were a 698 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 4: number of plays, some calls that that could have gone 699 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 4: this other way, and the game feels completely different, it 700 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 4: looks different. We talk about this all the time when 701 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 4: in games at the Bengals of loss right, it's like, ah, 702 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 4: this call, this play, and they had multiple of those 703 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 4: where you I don't know how anybody didn't feel at halftime, like, man, 704 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 4: they've squandered this opportunity. How are they only up five 705 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 4: considering all the breaks that felt like had gone their way. 706 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 4: I mean, Lamar literally just gives them a ball at 707 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 4: one point, like they're getting turnovers. They maybe you create some, 708 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 4: some of them you don't deserve. Like so I'm I'm 709 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 4: there it's clearly you're clearly seeing a trend in the ring. Clearly, 710 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 4: like no, nobody is. I am not disparaging that at all. 711 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 4: I think you're clearly seeing it start to click for 712 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 4: these guys and them to build some confidence and momentum. 713 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 4: And even Al Golden talked to us yesterday and said, 714 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 4: you know, he's more trusting and comfortable to call more 715 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 4: of the exotic. Not I'm gonna use exotic, but just 716 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 4: just the extra stuff in his game plan that he's 717 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 4: been resistant to do because they'll afraid they're gonna screw 718 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 4: it up. And so the ability to do more blitzes 719 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 4: on second downs on third downs showed up. You see 720 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 4: that when you watch the game. And so I think 721 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 4: just think all of that shows that, yes, the progress 722 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 4: is being made and you're seeing it going in a 723 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 4: different direction. But how high can they get this year? 724 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 4: I'm not going to totally say what happened in Baltimore 725 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 4: suggests that because some of those big moments that could 726 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 4: have gone against them didn't, and and that changed the 727 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 4: whole dynamic of the game that said go to Buffalo, yeah, 728 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 4: and slow down Josh Allen and these guys that just 729 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 4: ran all over Pittsburgh and uh, I think it's a 730 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 4: different story. 731 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 3: Then he gets the D in his name, then I'd 732 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 3: give him the D. You writ your headlines, because the 733 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 3: headlines could be kind of fun. 734 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 4: If I'm not going to steal your thing. 735 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: Buddy, if this is what you're stealing, you are totally 736 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 3: out of ideas. I'm just saying, like, Al gets the 737 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 3: D and then you can write about how Moeger took 738 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 3: his D away. I'll combine two things here because we 739 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: don't we don't have a lot of time. Trey Hendrickson, 740 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 3: you wrote about the fact that it's weirdness chapter number 741 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 3: five hundred and six. 742 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 4: Do you think that. 743 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 3: The team bonding on the airplane took place because Trey 744 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 3: wasn't on it? 745 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 4: Potentially, potentially maybe they just they just needed that extracted. 746 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,479 Speaker 4: I cannot, I cannot say that for certain exactly exactly why. 747 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 4: I mean, it'd be like if you weren't on it, 748 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 4: with the attitude that you clearly have towards you wouldn't. 749 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 3: Want If we're ever on a plane where we're stuck 750 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 3: for five hours, you should hope I get kicked off. Yeah, 751 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 3: I'm not going to be very pleasant to be around. 752 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 3: You're not gonna want to bond with me. 753 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 4: Would you rather sit like on the tarmac outside the 754 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 4: plane or be on the plane. 755 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 3: I would rather jump out of a moving plane than 756 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 3: sit in either really quick, because we don't have a 757 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 3: lot of time here. And you wrote about the the 758 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 3: the Trey Hendrickson situation. To me, it's just like, you 759 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 3: know what, why not one more set of weird circumstances 760 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 3: for this guy before he leaves? 761 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it certainly feels that way. I mean 762 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 4: just feels like it's one of those where whenever Trey 763 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 4: feels like he wants to come back or or can 764 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 4: fight through this or whatever, he will, it's it's a 765 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 4: situation where nobody can nobody knows but Trey. And this 766 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 4: has kind of been when people ask me about this 767 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 4: all the time. What I kind of go back to 768 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 4: is there can be all the circumstances in the world 769 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 4: that tell you that, oh, he could be doing it 770 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 4: because of this, because he's going to be a free 771 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 4: agent and because he doesn't really care or whatever you 772 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 4: want to say is the reason. Or he's doing it 773 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 4: because he doesn't like the Bengals in the way that 774 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 4: they treated him, or whatever. Nobody really knows. But the 775 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 4: way this particular thing, this injury is, it's a it's 776 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 4: about how he views his pain, tolerance, willingness to play 777 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 4: through it, how he wants to, how he feels like 778 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 4: he can handle it. What going out they at less 779 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 4: than one hundred percent is worth to him to the team, 780 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 4: Like nobody really knows, but Trey in terms of what 781 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 4: exactly is happening here at least, it certainly feels that way. 782 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 4: It's it's it's up to him. And so we can 783 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 4: sit here and say what we want. I think there's 784 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 4: a lot of reasons you can look at and say, Man, 785 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 4: go play through something, Go go out there on third downs? 786 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 4: Can you can? You can you give me what said 787 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 4: Johnson's doing right now? You know, give me the sub 788 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 4: package third down off the edge and something and and 789 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 4: give me a you know, a fourth give me a 790 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 4: fourth quarter series? Right? Can you do that? And I 791 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 4: he said to me before the trade deadline, like, I, look, 792 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 4: I not really been through this before. I have a 793 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 4: standard for my play and I want to go out 794 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 4: there and play the level that I feel like I 795 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 4: want to play at. Now maybe that level is higher 796 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 4: because he doesn't feel the loyalty to this team because 797 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 4: of the way things went down, And that's all part 798 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 4: of it too. But nobody really knows. 799 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 3: But Trey art Monk is the answer to the question. 800 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 4: When did Boomer through to artmost with the Jets. 801 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, spend a year with the Jets, end of his 802 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame career. Caught a touchdown pads from Art Monk. 803 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 4: Any question where Art Monk and Anthony Munhos are the answer, 804 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 4: I'm interested in. Well done, mo, We'll see you next week. 805 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 3: Beautifully played Paul Danner Junior The Athletic dot Com, where, 806 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 3: in addition to going to the playoffs simulator every ten minutes, 807 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 3: Austin Elmore lives on that thing. Yeah, I mean you 808 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 3: should like put a paywall, an extra paywall behind that 809 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 3: for him. 810 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 4: He'll pay, He'll pay. 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