1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: All right, joining us on the radio show from the 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: athletic former general manager in mains leagu baseball. Always fun 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: to have him on the radio program. Our friend Jim Bowden, 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: and Jim, first of all, thanks for doing this, man, 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: And second of all, I mean, first of all, dude, 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: we love the World Series because the Blue Jays got 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: their come up against the Dodgers. Heartbreak for them, painful, 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: just like us. Now they can taste it the way 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: we did. 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: Man. 11 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: But what'd you make of the World Series? And where 12 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: do you put that thing on your all time great 13 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: World Series list? 14 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, So that is the number one World Series 15 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: I've seen of all time. And I've seen some great ones, 16 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: starting with the seventy five World Series with the Red 17 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: Sox and the Cincinnati Reds, but two thousand and one, 18 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: and I've just seen so many of them over the years. 19 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety eight, but this was the best World Series 20 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: that I've ever been at. It was incredible that the 21 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: eighteen inning game was beyond comprehension, to the point where 22 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: I still can't believe if it had gone to a 23 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: nineteenth being the Dodgers are going to pitch Miguel Rojas 24 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: like I still can't get over that that was going 25 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: to really happen. But yeah, then you get to Game 26 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: seven and we had that eleven any game where it 27 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: could have gone either way. As we all know, he 28 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: was the most exciting World Series I've ever been to. 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely gives you goosebumps, you know, to think 30 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: about it. Either team could have won the World Championship 31 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: without a doubt, and it tells Mariners fans how close 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: you were to winning a World Championship too. 33 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 3: Well, how do you view this season as a whole 34 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 3: for a Mariner fan, a long suffering Mariner fan like myself, 35 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: including you know in the alcs and even how the 36 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: World Series went, is that you know the level of 37 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: success that the Mariners saw or you kind of focus 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: on exactly what you mentioned there is like you know, 39 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: you got close, but close wasn't good enough. 40 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: And this was the best year of the Mariners history. 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: For me. This is the closest they ever got to 42 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: the World Series. This was the best team they've ever 43 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: put together, and it was a team that could have 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: won the World Series but didn't. And that's just the 45 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: way it is. They could have easily beaten Toronto and 46 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: that they had beaten Toronto, that could have easily beaten 47 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: the Dodgers. There wasn't a lot of distance between Seattle 48 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: and Toronto, and there wasn't really a lot of distance 49 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: between Toronto and the Dodgers, as we all saw. So 50 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: that's how good the team was. I mean, you know, 51 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: sometimes it's a crap shoot. You know, when you get 52 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: into the playoffs, you know, the best team doesn't always win. 53 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 2: I think in this case, we saw the two best 54 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: teams at the end. I think at the end, Seattle 55 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: was probably the third best team. I had picked the 56 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 2: Mariners before the postseason started to get to the World 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: Series and represent the American League. That was wrong. I 58 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: underestimated a little bit of how elite Toronto was in 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: both contact and power and defense, and that really it 60 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: really showed up against Seattle, and it showed up against 61 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: the Dodgers. I mean, they didn't have a hole in 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: their lineup. There wasn't a guy that would come to 63 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: the play and say I could pitch to him. They 64 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: didn't have that guy. And it wasn't a player on 65 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: their field defensively that wasn't above average defender, nobody. And 66 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: so at the end of the day, those little things 67 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: when you get to these, you know, seven game series, 68 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: that's a lot of times the difference. 69 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: Maker former GM, Jim Bowden with us of course on 70 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: ninety three three Kjir FM and Jimmy. You've you've hired 71 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: managers before, you've fired managers before, you've critiqued your own 72 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: managers before. A lot of Mara fans were upset with 73 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: Dan Wilson for the way he handled the bullpen going 74 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: to Bizardo instead of a guy like Munno's in Game 75 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: seven to face George Springer, What was your reaction at 76 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: the moment and what was your reaction after the home 77 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: run regarding how much criticism Dan should or should not 78 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: have taken for that decision. 79 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I first guess you have that Munya is in 80 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: that situation at Bizarro. In no way am I losing 81 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: and not going to the World Series because I chose 82 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Bizarro over Munos there. That was the moment you have 83 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: to use Munos. That's that's the moment. You have to 84 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: have sense of urgency. And I think that every manager 85 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: in baseball, I'm sure, paid attention to how the Dodgers 86 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: handled the World Series with their starting pitchers and the 87 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: sense of urgency and how they matched up and Toronto 88 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: did the same thing for that matter, but that was 89 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 2: the difference, you know in that series. Look, I traded 90 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: Dan Wilson. I'm a big fan of Dan Wilson. I 91 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: think he did a great job managing and I don't 92 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: think without Dan Wilson, I'm not sure that they get 93 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: to that point of that as far as they did 94 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: this year. He was very instrumental in getting him there. 95 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean I first guessed at the time. 96 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: I didn't second guess it afterwards. I just sat there, 97 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: I stood up and walked away, and I remember just screaming, 98 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: power in the world with everything on the line is 99 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: bizarre to the guy you choose to pitch in this spot. 100 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: And unfortunately I was right. And it is what it is. 101 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: I mean, look, we all have these moments in life, 102 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: right Like, I'm still mad. I'm still mad that the 103 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: Red Sox brought Jim Burton and that fits to Joe 104 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 2: Morgan instead of Dick Drago in Game seven of the 105 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: seventy five World Series. I'm still mad about that. So again, 106 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 2: you know, that's what makes baseball great. It is what 107 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: it is. And look that bizardro had gotten him out. 108 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: You know, you wouldn't even ask me that question, even 109 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: though I would have given you the same answer. Right. 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: Well, now the question is how do the Mariners respond, 111 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: where do they go from here? And how do you 112 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: think John Stanton responds to this? Do owners that are 113 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: hys historically budget conscious, like John Stanton has been, ever 114 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: change their stripes when it comes to kind of loosening 115 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 3: up the purse strings, maybe based on a great emotional 116 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 3: run or to do owners pretty much say it doesn't 117 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: matter what you did and how exciting the run was, 118 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: this is our budget for the next year. 119 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 4: Now. 120 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: Owners are owners of humans, and I think that John 121 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: standon knowing how close he got to a World Series 122 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: and how close this team is and the fact that 123 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: you can run it back basically with the team. In fact, 124 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: I would be surprised if he's not hungry to finish 125 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: the job when you're that close. Right. So yeah, Now, 126 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: the priority, according to my sources are is first base. 127 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: That's the corner. You know, either corner, I get it, 128 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: but first base is where they're concentrating. They would choose 129 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: nail or over sores, which I would too. They'd like 130 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: to bring him back, and if not, I won't be 131 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: surprised if they make a run a Bellinger or Pete 132 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: Alonzo or someone of that nature. But they need to 133 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: get another bat back here. And Nail was such a 134 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: good fit, right. He can't hit good pitching, he can 135 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: hit postseason pitching. The bat just fits nicely between you know, 136 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: Raleigh and Azina. However you want to do your lineup, 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: but I think it's very important they try to bring 138 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: him back. And if they can't pivot to Bellinger, you know, 139 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: or even Pee Alonzo for that matter, but I you know, 140 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 2: it's critical that they get at least one corner infield 141 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: power impact BA this offseason. 142 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: You have to Jim Bone to get with us, and 143 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: Jim you just mentioned Josh Naylor there and obviously got 144 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: to have him back. Fits this franchise like a glove. 145 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: Fans love him. The energy he brought to the clubhouse 146 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: was obvious. But he's going to free agency, and I 147 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: don't blame the guy. What do you think the market 148 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: will look like for Josh Naylor? How much will the 149 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: Mariners have to potentially pony up to keep this guy? 150 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so I do an article on the athletic of 151 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: where I ranked the top fifty free agents in baseball, 152 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: and I make predictions about their salaries and where I 153 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: think the best fits are. And so in the case 154 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: of Josh Naylor, I have him at number seventeen on 155 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: my list. I've predicted four years at ninety million dollars, 156 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: and I have put the Mariners, Mets, Red Sox, Diamondbacks 157 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: and Guardians as the five teams where he fits the most. 158 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: But I'm hearing Diamondbacks and Guardians are going to be 159 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: in no so more likely just Mariners, Mets, and Red Sox. 160 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: How do I come up with four years at ninety million. 161 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: It's difficult because there's not a lot of guys to 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: compare him with. You've got Paul Goldschmith's five year on 163 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollar deal. You got Carlos Santana's 164 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: three years sixty. You got Josh Bells two years thirty two. 165 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: He can go back in time, Dan Connors heelings one 166 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: year twenty. So it gets complicated because it's not a 167 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: great prompts for first baseman. But you know, there's also 168 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: other choices out there. Kazuma Kamoto is coming over from 169 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: the m Giants, I have him ranked eighteenth nineteenth on 170 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: my list, so just right after Naylor. I think he 171 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: would be a guy that makes a lot of sense 172 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: for them. Another guy that makes sense is Tacola Rakami. 173 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: He's coming over from the Tokyo called Swallows. He's the 174 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: third baseman, first baseman. He's going to be more expensive 175 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: than Nailer. For me, you're probably looking at six years, 176 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty million because he's going to be 177 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: in the ballpark of Freddy Freeman meddles and type of 178 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: contracts there. But again, we're talking about an impact, left 179 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: handed power bat. So those are some of the guys 180 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: that are going to be out there as other options. 181 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, Seatle's got to get one, and I trust 182 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto and John Stanton that they will get one. 183 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: I trust that, But. 184 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: They won't get too, which will leave the other corner open, 185 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: and that potentially is Ben Williamson's spot. From what you 186 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: saw from Ben Williamson both offensively and defensively, we know 187 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: he's got the d but offensively, is that enough to 188 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: go with at third base for a team that wants 189 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: to win the Division again and go to the World Series. 190 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how to answer that outside of 191 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: it's okay to start the year there and see if 192 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: the bat develops again. Let's remember Toronto just won with 193 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: Ernie Clement and Adison Barger at third. Right, Williamson's elite defender. 194 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: I like elite defenders, I do. I mean in this 195 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: day and age makes the pitching staff that much difference. 196 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: I like catching the ball. It's extremely important because we 197 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: all know the special part of the Mariners is Brian 198 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: will Logan, Gilbert Luis Gersea, George Kirby and Bryce Miller right, 199 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: and Munio's closing, and then you know Brash Bizardo's spot 200 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: and all areas getting them. It's the pitching staff. Pitching 201 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: and defense love it. I need enough offense. But I 202 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: think if you saw first, I'm okay starting the year 203 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: with Williamson. And then as the season goes on, if 204 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: I need to trade for a third baseman down the road, 205 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: There'll be some available and I can make a move Ben. 206 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 2: Now that being said, if I'm a Mariner's fand do 207 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: I want to be greedy, sure yeah. Coachy put Bellinger 208 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: at first and Bashett at third. That's what If I'm 209 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: Jerry to poll That's what I'm telling Johnstan. I'm saying, 210 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: get checked out. This is the time, This is the time, 211 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: because after this, after this, our window is going to close. 212 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: Let's go finish the job. Bellinger and Bashett are both 213 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: in their twenties, both come off great years. Let's go 214 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: win the whole thing. 215 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 5: Well, hallelujah to that. 216 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are tuning in Jim 217 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: and again Jim Bowden with us, and they agree. I mean, 218 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: you sound like us, You sound like like a Mariner 219 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: season ticket holder, man, right. 220 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean it's like, oh, you know, don't we all 221 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: want to live on a twenty million dollar mansion on 222 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: the ocean? I do. I can't afford it, but you 223 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: might as well shoot for it and then figure out 224 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: how much the owner is willing to invest. 225 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Jim, I think a lot of folks would be okay 226 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: with the rotation coming back as is. Would you tinker 227 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: with the idea you think if you're Jerry of moving 228 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: one of those arms for a bat or bringing the 229 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: fearsome fivesome back for at least one more run. 230 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope the pitching looks more like the beginning 231 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four than what we saw in twenty five. 232 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: That's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping that they work very 233 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: hard to keep them healthy. I think Will Gilbert, Kirby 234 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: and Miller all come back, you know they're all twenty 235 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: five to twenty eight. I would shop Castillo, see what 236 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: the market could bring me. I'll see when you get 237 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: a younger starter there for a team that needs a 238 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: veteran there, I'd try to move on from him a 239 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: year early rather than a year late. That would be 240 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: my kind of guests there. Most important thing, though, is 241 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: Will Gilbert, Kirby, Miller being as healthy as they can 242 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: and putting them in the position of the best year 243 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: they possibly can in twenty twenty six, because those four 244 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: guys are going to determine if Seattle can win the 245 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: Division and if Seattle can get to the World Series. 246 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 5: How available is Derek Scuble. 247 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: He has to be available. Now, this is not being 248 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: confirmed by the Tigers. Okay, all they're saying is we're 249 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: trying to get starting pitching or leaf pitching. But I 250 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: want you to think about this. They're at least three 251 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: hundred million off in their offer. I'm not making this up. 252 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: They have, for whatever reason, their first offer to Schooble 253 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 2: is so embarrassing. I don't know where you go from there. 254 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: If you want to keep Eric's scuble, the first thing 255 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: you do is make an offer that makes the highest 256 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: paid pitcher in baseball history. You beat the Garrett Cole contract, 257 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: you beat Free, you beat Burns, you beat all of them. 258 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: That's what you start with. Okay, he's going to win 259 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: the Sight young to the second year in a row. 260 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: What's the argument. So once you've done that and I 261 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: you have a chance to sign him, But they haven't 262 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: done that. I don't get the impression that Ilitch is 263 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: going to approve a contract that's gonna be able to 264 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: sign him. So you can't wait till the trade deadline 265 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: next year, and you can't let him walk without compensation 266 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: like the Angels did show Atona. That's shit, stupid, that's dumb. 267 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: You should be fired for that. So I don't know 268 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: what the alternatives. I think you have to trade him. Sure, 269 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: I think you gotta trade him. Would it be worth 270 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: it to trade one of your young starters in a 271 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: package to get Schooble for one year with the team? 272 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: You have absolutely it would be Well. 273 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 5: What do you think it would take together him. 274 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: Are we talking cold Emerson, were talking Kate Anderson empty 275 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: your farm system? What kind of trade package of prospects 276 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: do you think would get it done for what essentially 277 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: would be a rental player if they can't sign him 278 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: for six months. 279 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: To more than your number one prospect. Think about the 280 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,479 Speaker 2: Soto trade, right, Michael King, I think was the headliner 281 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: in that trade. I'm not talking about the Nationals Soto trade. Obviously, 282 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: you're not getting that for one year, you know. You 283 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: think about the Padres deal that they did with the Yankees. 284 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 2: That's the ballpark. 285 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 3: So that include an existing starter for the Mariners and 286 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: your top prospect. 287 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 5: Are you just talking just multiple prospects? 288 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: Okay? No, I think I think you're gonna have to 289 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: give up Brace Miller probably and your top pitching prospect 290 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: and your top infield prospect, and and and now you've 291 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: got a chance. 292 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 5: That sounds like that's that sounds rich to me. 293 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's what it's gonna take. You're gonna you're gonna 294 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: have to do, Richard. It's gonna be painful. You're gonna 295 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: have to bleed, and you're gonna have to have a 296 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: broken bone if you want Scooball. Otherwise you could always 297 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: pivot and go after Freddy Peralta for a year. 298 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 299 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: How about the bullpen, right, I mean they tried to 300 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: make it better with Ferguson, didn't really work out. I 301 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: don't know how serious they were about going after Duran. 302 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: But how do you think Jerry approaches the bullpen over 303 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: the offseason. 304 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll keep He'll keep finding the relievers. That's what 305 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: Jerry does. I'm not really worried about Jerry building a bullpen. 306 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: He'll build it, and if he can't build it in December, 307 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: he'll build it in March. If camp Bill in March, old, 308 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: build it in July's That's the least of my worries. 309 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: I need another bat or two that That, to me 310 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: is the goal. That's it, right, I mean Naylor and 311 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: Suarez got you into the ALCS. Sorry, without him, you're 312 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: not there. They got it done. Okay, we know that, 313 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: so let's go right back to it. Do you like 314 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: how to run it back best we can? 315 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: Do you like the overall plan? 316 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: I mean Jerry, Jerry's plan is simply Okay, let's see 317 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: what we have April, May, June, and July, and then 318 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: if we're in it, go for it if we're not 319 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: sell off? 320 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 5: You like that overall plan? 321 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: And is that and it sounds like that's kind of 322 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: what you're thinking that Jerry's going to do this year. 323 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: He signed Naylor or a reasonable facsimile thereof keeps the 324 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: rest of the team exactly the same, and we see 325 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: what we're our record is on July thirty first. 326 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 5: Is that kind of how you see the season plan out? 327 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: I think that's an all probability what you're going to do. 328 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: But I think you always have to be obsessed with 329 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: getting better, and every single day you wake up as 330 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: a GM or president, your obsession has to be how 331 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: can I make this team better? And just keep working 332 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: on until the opportunities are there. They have a strong 333 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: farm system, they've kept together. They can make trades. They 334 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: did such a good job in training for Nara and 335 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: Suarez and holding onto their top prospects that cabinet. That 336 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: cabinet is still full, so they want to do something 337 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: more at the winter meetings they can. They can use 338 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: the prospects to get more controlled, younger first baseman, the 339 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: third baseman. They have packages that they can work with. 340 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: So Jerry has a lot to work with. It's going 341 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: to be fun to watch. But I think that one 342 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: big splash at first base is a necessity, and so 343 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: let's monitor that and see what happens. 344 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Jim, what do you see from Kate Anderson? Number one 345 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: draft pick? He's twenty one out of LSU. What do 346 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: you see twenty twenty six looking like for this kid? 347 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: Halfway through the year? Maybe ready and let's go yeah, okay, 348 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: And again that's why I wouldn't be surprised if they 349 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: trade Castillo in the off season knowing that he's coming. 350 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: So I think that's the possibility. But yeah, halfway through 351 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: the years. 352 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: Ready, Jim Bowden, great stuff, man, Always love having you on. 353 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: Thanks again, my friend, and don't be a stranger. We'll 354 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: talk down the road all right. 355 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: Great to be with you as always. 356 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: Go marriage, Yeah, you bet, man, Jim Bowden with us 357 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: on the radio show. Lots of stuff to chew on there. 358 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: Let's chew on it next on ninety three to three KJRFM. 359 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 6: From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now 360 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 6: back to Softie and Dick on your Home for the Huskies. 361 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 6: Krakin and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point 362 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 6: three kJ r FA. 363 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: He has to be available. Now, this is not being 364 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: confirmed by the Tigers. Okay, all they're saying is we're 365 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: trying to get starting pitching or leaf pitching. But I 366 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: want you to think about this. They're at least three 367 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: hundred million off in their offer. I'm not making this up. 368 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: For whatever reason. Their first offer to Schooble so embarrassing. 369 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: I don't know where you go from there. 370 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: That is incredible, Jim Bowden telling us the Tigers and 371 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: schoobl are three hundred million dollars apart amazing on their 372 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: potential contract extension in Detroit. So, I mean, it's really 373 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: hard to see him going back there. I'm not saying 374 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna move him over this offseason. They may wait 375 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: until the deadline next year to move him, but long term, 376 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine him staying in Detroit. 377 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 5: So he did say, Jim. 378 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: Bowden, that if you're if you're going to make a 379 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: move for Trek Scuble, it starts with your top prospect 380 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: and goes up from there. So we're talking Colt Emerson 381 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: and then whoever. I mean, Luis Castillo's got three years 382 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: left on his deal. I don't know if the Tigers 383 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: would want him, they might ask for Logan Gilbert or 384 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: George Kirby. 385 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: I mean he spelled it out that it's Bryce Miller, 386 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: it's Colt Emerson, and then one other. 387 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: Like Tom top pitching, Rocks, Kate Anders Anderson, maybe Alas 388 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: Montest or somebody who knows, right. So I mean, is 389 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: that a deal that you're making unless you can be 390 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: assured of re signing trek Scubel? 391 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: Right? 392 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 5: I mean what in the end? 393 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: In the end, we all said the Mariners' biggest problem 394 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: that came back to bite him in the ass when 395 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: it mattered the most was their starting pitching not performing 396 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: in the ALCS against Toronto. 397 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 5: So you take out I mean, well, you take ut 398 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 5: Bryce Miller. 399 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: He was the one guy that did perform, right, But 400 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: you put Trek Scuble in that rotation with Gilbert and 401 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: Kirby and Castillo. How much of your odds are increased 402 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: that you can make a run and get to the 403 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: World Series come playoff time? And if you make the 404 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: World Series, do you give a damn what you gave 405 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: up to get him? 406 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: Is it all worth it? If we lost the World Series, 407 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: I would give a damn. Then I'd look after the 408 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: World Series and go, damn, we didn't win the World 409 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: Series and we don't have Trek Scoubel and we don't 410 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: have Bryce Miller, and we don't have Kate Anderson, and 411 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: we don't have cold Emberson's. 412 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: So you're telling me if you traded Kate Anderson, Cold 413 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: Emberson and Bryce Miller for Trek Scuble, but then you 414 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: won the American League for the first time ever the 415 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: next year and went to the World Series, the only 416 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: way it would make the trade justified is if you 417 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: win the World Series for that much. 418 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 5: I think yes. 419 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: I think yes, because we are sitting here today as 420 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 3: excited as we were last week about winning the ALCS, 421 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: just like the Blue Jays were excited last week about 422 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: winning the winning the ALCS, we'd be sitting here today going, God, 423 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 3: we lost the World Series and we now don't have 424 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: any of those guys. 425 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 426 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 5: I don't agree with that at all. 427 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: Okay, just so you would trade all those guys for 428 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: Church School for one year. 429 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 5: If it meant going to the World Series. Well, I mean, 430 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 5: you don't know, I mean, but that's. 431 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: What we're saying. That's what we're saying. Okay, Well, let's 432 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: means is the World Series. I would think of that 433 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: as a success. 434 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: Okay. 435 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 5: I would think of that as a success. 436 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: If you can get Trek Scooble and he is the 437 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: difference between you getting to the World Series and losing 438 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: in the ALCS, I would do that. 439 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: Okay. 440 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 5: I would do the deal. 441 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 3: Because I do it if I if you can, if 442 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: you could just say I guarantee you a World Series 443 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: Championship and you don't have anything, yes, I would do it. 444 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's not the game. The World Series Championship. 445 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying making the World Series to me would be enough. 446 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: I would think of that as a success. Jackson, how 447 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: about you. 448 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: I'm somewhere in the middle of you two in this. 449 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 4: You know, we've been having this debate for I don't 450 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: know how many years since I took over this show. 451 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 452 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 5: I am in the middle. 453 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 4: I think because there's an element here where if you 454 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: win right now, think about this the American League next year. 455 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: When we talk about the Mariner's biggest competitors to come 456 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: out of the American League, we're talking about the Yankees 457 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: and the Blue Jays. 458 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 5: Right, that's pretty much it. 459 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: Somebody else will pop and we were this is gonna 460 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 4: hurt all of us eight outs away from the going 461 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 4: into the World Series. Does Terrok Schooble take us over 462 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 4: the top or can somebody else take us over the top? 463 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 5: That's certainly as possible different brand. 464 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 4: So do you have to give up all three of 465 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 4: those guys to get over the top? I think you 466 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: can do it in other ways and not have to 467 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 4: give up Kid and a Montest or what you know, 468 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: that kind of a thing that's that's aye price. 469 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: Look, I'm not I'm not saying I would even do it. 470 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying if they did it and they got 471 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: to the World Series at that exact minute, I think 472 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: of it as a success. If you get to the 473 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: World Series and you can go back and say Trek 474 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: Skouble was a big reason why without him you're not going. 475 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 5: Well, we're sitting there after. 476 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: Game seven of the ALCS and we're celebrating going to 477 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: the World Series for the first time ever. I'm gonna 478 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: think it was worth it at that exact moment in 479 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: time to make the deal. Now, if they don't get there, 480 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it was worth it, and you can't 481 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: guarantee it obviously, so I'd rather resign the guy. Look again, 482 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm guys, I just refuse. Okay, maybe I'm in the minority, 483 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that I am. I refuse to build 484 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: Cold Emerson a statue right now. 485 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 5: I refuse to do the. 486 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: Same thing for Kate Anderson or Las Montes or any 487 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: of those guys in the minor league system, any of them. 488 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going down that road. You guys want to 489 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: crown these dudes as Hall of famers at All Stars 490 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: and fifteen year major leaguers, go for it. 491 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: I'm not yet to do that. 492 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: I mean, taking aren't doing that, okay, right, but there 493 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: are some people that are that they just were under. 494 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 5: No circumstances will they move any of those guys? 495 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 3: Are there certain prospects that you make an exception to 496 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 3: Would you have said that about Ken Griffy Junior in 497 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty. 498 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: Probably because he was the number one picking the draft 499 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: and he was the number one. 500 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 5: Prospect in major league. 501 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: Kate Anderson is That is what Kate Anderson, according to 502 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: most experts, was the best player in the Major League Baseball? 503 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 1: And why was he not drafted number one? Because there 504 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: was one team that thought he was Where? Where does 505 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: he sit right now? In the overall prospect list like 506 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: twentieth whatever that is. Wasn't King Griffy Junior the number 507 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: one prospect in baseball, like number one overall when. 508 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 5: He was drafted on America. I don't know. 509 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean again, I mean, you know, look, it's all 510 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: about context, right, It's all about comparing it to the 511 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: rest of the class and the rest of the prospects 512 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: out there, just like the NFL draft, right, we got 513 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: to look at context. But I'm just I don't fall 514 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: in love with these guys the way other people do. 515 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, maybe I should. And I also, on top 516 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: of that, trust Jerry Depoto immenseally to replace these guys, right, 517 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: because he's proven he can do that. 518 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 5: I understand that. 519 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 3: And I am a little bit more to what Jackson saying, like, 520 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: if you don't trade Colt Emerson for Trek's Scooble, that 521 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: allows you to trade Colt Emerson for somebody else. 522 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 4: And that's that's what I'd rather take get, you know, 523 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 4: trade for the player that will get us to the 524 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: World Series still and only have to give up Colt 525 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 4: and maybe a guy that is signed for three years. 526 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 4: Regardless of that, I don't even care about I don't 527 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 4: care about that at all. I don't care about the rental, 528 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 4: none of that's, none of that matters. What matters to 529 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 4: me is a guy that will get us to the 530 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: World Series. And I just don't think we're not that 531 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 4: far off. We're eight outs away. We don't need Schooble, We. 532 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 5: Just need another piece to get us all the top. 533 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: You needed him last year, you need against Toronto when 534 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: you're starting pitching Fellow. 535 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 3: Would we have felt differently had we lost that game 536 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 3: against Detroit. It's the same baseball team, but now you're 537 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: talking about a team that lost in the Visional Round. 538 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think. 539 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: I think. 540 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: I think rolling back the majority of the same team 541 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: is fine. 542 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 5: I just think they need to make some tweaks. 543 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: And again, I mean one big tweak they can make 544 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: is give themselves another shot at the Rolette table with 545 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: an even better starting pitcher than what they have now. 546 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: I think if you can add him, you add him right, 547 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: and you don't worry about I'm kind of with Jackson. 548 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about twenty twenty seven beyond. I'm not 549 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: saying you got to put first of all, this idea 550 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: that people say things like this and it drives me 551 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: bat You know what, You're putting all your eggs in 552 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: one basket, which is is false unless you're giving up 553 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: every single prospect you have, then you're not putting all 554 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: of your eggs in one basket because you have hundreds 555 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: of eggs. 556 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 5: In the amount of league system. 557 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: You might have twenty five golden eggs, but there's a 558 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: butt load of eggs, dozens upon dozens upon dozens. It's 559 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: physically impossible to put all those eggs in one basket. 560 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: So look, I mean, guys will move up the rankings, 561 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: a guy gets traded, somebody else takes this spot. We're 562 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: already see that now with the Mariners top one hundred 563 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: and the top ten in Baseball America. 564 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 5: But look, the Naylor thing. I just don't think Naylor 565 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 5: is enough. 566 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: And I love God the offer or the contract that 567 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: Boden said for Josh Naylor. What was the number he 568 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: said for Naylor? Again? Yes, four years ninety I do 569 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: that in a heartpbeat. 570 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 5: Twenty two and a half for Josh Naylor. Oh I 571 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 5: kidding me. I mean that's wow, that's low. 572 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: I would absolutely love to see the Mariners get him 573 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: back for that kind of a deal.